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Real Clear Politics had Barack Obama ahead by less than five for weeks now. Favorables for both candidates are similar. |
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This information may be true, but McCain is sleep walking and his campaign is on life support.
In the past two days, the two images of McCain being beamed around the world are, first, McCain and the elder Bush riding around in a golf cart like a retiree and, second, a concerned shopper in the cheese aisle of a Pennsylvania grocergy store.
This is painful to watch. Are McCain and his advisers really this inept? I wouldn't vote for Obama if my life depended on it, but McCain is clearly throwing this election and his potential supporters can do nothing but tread water in our life preservers and watch as McCain's ship sinks in slow motion for the next four months.
And if TH's authors want to stop breathlessly seizing on every single piece of nonsense information, maybe one of you could do a piece on the morons running McCain's campaign. It's pathetic. |
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With all due respect. If the GOP thinks they can continue to import cheap labor for their donors at the expense of the citizens, they will. I will not vote for that again. If we continue to play the game of "the other guy is worse", we will lose our country. Sorry, but I will not participate in that game any longer. The GOP power brokers think we will vote for "anybody but a Democrat" so they can continue to ignore securing the borders and enforcing the laws. I was hoping GOP primary voters would give the party elites some surprises in the primaries. We never really got the chance. First choice Hunter, second choice Thompson, third choice Romney were all out before VA voted. I wanted to vote for a GOP candidate in Nov.'08, I will not vote for any amnesty supporter. If it takes crushing the GOP so a new party representing American citizens can arise, so be it.
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I'm fairly certain we did give the party elite some surprises, Virginia Patriot! John McCain was never expected to win the nomination. Thompson was my choice, because he was the only Republican with any sort of resemblance to actual, thought out policy positions and plans of action. Unfortunately his disorganization did him in. However, Romney was the pick of the party elites, and was rejected by the people with a mandate. What does this mean about immigration, though? I think its an important issue, but it doesn't seem to resonate with either side enough to make an impact of the ticket. I'm shocked too, because most conservatives are anti-amnesty, and the Democrats made it a point to rail agaisnt NAFTA...yet both candidates are for "comprehensive immigration reform".... |
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I'm trying to understand how Ralph Nader takes points away from McCain and not Obama? Are we really supposed to believe that Republicans are voting for Ralph Nader and not McCain or Bob Barr? Doesn't make sense to me. I would think that disgruntled liberals from the Obama camp would be heading Nader's way not disgruntles from the McCain camp. Like Chucky T said this morning on MJ, the sample used for this poll may be questionable. |
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What is interesting and kind of sad is that the Bush adminsitration was so unbelievably arrogant and incompetant that many people are actually willing to gamble on a completely unqualified candidiate -- it's kind of a variation on the old "my dad" or "my uncle" or whatever would be a better president than "X" -- but given that the "X" in this case is GW Bush, it may well be true. |
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I'm really down on McCain and his campaign right now.
Rather than riding around in a golf cart with the elder Bush and appearing in the cheese row of a grocery store, McCain should have done two things.
First, he should have joined the Republican representatives on their trip to Alaska, surveyed Anwar, and announced that he's ending his inconsistent position on drilling and going with a policy of drilling everywhere feasible--as a bridge to the future technologies, including nuclear (which the Dems won't touch with a 10-foot pole).
Second, he should have flown to San Francisco, met with the woman who had three family members murdered by an illegal alien, and announced that the scales had fallen from his eyes and that things like sanctuary cities and so forth need to be addressed forcefully.
The interesting irony is that I strongly suspect that the closely held business owners who conservatives complain will get killed by Obama's tax plan (and that's true) are also the same employers who hire many of these illegal aliens. These people should not be allowed to have it both ways. It's not public companies that are hiring these people; it's the closely held businesses. These business owners should be prosecuted and, if found guilty, fines and imprisoned. |
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Exactly, which is why this election has me so worry. I think voters are so delusional and some of them so sick to their stomachs over the last eight years that they are willing to take any one over Bush or what is being sold as Bush lite. No matter how inexperienced or wrong the other candidate may be, they are so disgusted that they are willing to gamble the future of our country on it. It almost seems Orwellian to me or as if someone has spiked our water supply and we are being drugged into submission. But by the time everyone wakes up, it will be too late. |
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I can't believe how many opportunities the McCain theam has let go by the wayside to connect with voters.If he has these kind of advisers now how bad would they be should he be the President?While I'm loathe to destroy the GOP for a new beginning as Vpat and PasaP suggest,I must admit it may be the ony solution to right the ship.He should clearly define his new found enlightenment on illegal immigration and vigorously push domestic energy.Everyone already knows his stance on the war on terrorism. Why can't team McCain see this? |
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No more money to McCain for me. Why contribute to a losing proposition?
Following his campaign is kind of like waking up each day to a reintroduction of, say, New Coke (if you remember that from the 1980s). All you could do then and all you can do now is shake your head and ask, "What the f*** were/are they thinking?"
Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe McCain's campaign. It's childish. |
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for the images which the media choses to show of him? You don't think the media has a reason for doing that?
Notice how McCain takes the hard questions from people in his townhall meetings, you sure don't see Obama taking any hard questions from the public. In fact, Obama can't even take semi-hard questions from Katie Couric. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama and his campaign put Couric on their list of ones NOT to give interviews to since she tried to make him give an answer regarding the surge.
Obama's campaign is nothing more than smoke and mirrors, it's intent is to try to prove everyone is adoring of Obama. If people are smart they will look past the movie settings given by Obama and LISTEN to what he says. Afterall, Obama says words matter and his words are all over the place.
McCain will not sell out America, Obama would.
Do people not really grasp that George Soros wants the world to see HIM as some type of intellectual guru and because no one will use him as a legitimate source on economics or politics, his ONLY chance to land him any type of respectibility is to put his own puppet into the WH. |
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You may be right about McCain's campaign. But I think we may be missing something also. There is no way he can compete with the national media attention that Sen. Obama is getting. He just can't. What he seems to be doing is getting really local, with townhalls and similar things. These may not garner national media attention, however all politics is local. One guy's good economy is another guy's bad economy, just depending on their personal situation. So it may be pretty effective for McCain to actually be getting out into personal space with people in hot states like PA. What would touch you more as a voter, being at a townhall with McCain or watching Obama on national television giving a speech in Berlin? Remember, everyone thought McCain was in freefall before the primamries too. I also don't see any historical evidence that you can remake the party by not voting for it. Again, presidents like Nixon, Lincoln, and Wilson got well under 50% of the popular vote and were able to make it work. Strong politicians change the party from within. Reagan did this. The Whigs blew up with the help of a larger than the world issue, slavery expansion, a fractured country, and really strong leaders. There is nothing near this combination today. This is why it's nice to see so many good young conservatives in the Republican Party. |
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Ask The National Council of The Race or Juan Hernandez. |
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Do you know how to recognize a shill? They take a position against one of candidates for an office and then do not mention that the other candidates position on the same issue is worse. That is VP. Whatever he thinks of JSM's position on immigration he knows Obama's is worse. Why is he trying to get McCain defeated and Obama elected? Could he be a Democrat shill? |
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The knife in your back is amnesty, the one at your throat is cap and trade.
America is worth saving.
Vote conservative.
(Not GOP for Pres.this time, they decided to run a Trojan Horse Democrat) |
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Obama's policy on carbon emissions are more reactionary than JSM's. Also, Obama's policies on immigration are more liberal than JSM's. Why would VP attack JSM and refuse to attack Obama?
Could he be an Obama Democrat shill? |
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Don't stop sending McCain money, just substitute McCain pesos for US dollars. If you don't have any, shoot me an e-mail from my blog and I'll get the word file over to you ASAP. I just mailed some to the RNC this morning. I get 2-4 of these RNC "surveys" every month. |
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There is no point attacking Obama. He was never on the radar for us conservatives. We are looking for a candidate to vote FOR. That is the opportunity for the GOP. They would rather go down in flames taking the entire party down with them than to relent to the base of their party. You RINOs are nothing but whiners and cowards. Just do what your told. Hold your noses and shut up. Particularly the shut up part. Capiche? (When did robots become such chatter boxes anyway?) |
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how is someone supposed to believe you are looking for someone to vote for? Only two people have a chance to be POTUS after the November election. If you are working to stop JSM's election than you are effectively working to elect Obama. No amount of rationalization changes that fact.
The very fact that you criticize McCain and ignore Obama's positions on the same issues belies your conservatism and supports the supposition that you are an Obama Democrat shill. |
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I've been getting 2-4 a week. I had to print some more McCain pesos last night. |
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Ana Mus, you wrote:
"Sam, why is it McCain's fault for the images which the media choses to show of him? You don't think the media has a reason for doing that?"
Rip's Flagon, you wrote:
"There is no way he can compete with the national media attention that Sen. Obama is getting. He just can't. What he seems to be doing is getting really local, with townhalls and similar things."
Ana Mus, I disagree. McCain doesn't have a gun to his head when he's getting into that golf cart. The picture of him and George Bush (elder) really starts getting into Dukakis-in-the-tank and Kerry-windsurfing territory. McCain and his campaign should be carefully orchestrating his every move. What the heck is McCain doing in a PA grocery store?
Instead, if McCain wanted to take pot shots at Obama about military matters from long distance, he should have taken this week to visit each of the military academies--Air Force, West Point, and Annapolis. Why? I certain all three are putting their incoming class through the paces of "plebe summer." And McCain's been through it himself. Can you picture McCain slamming Obama from each location--rather than the cheese aisle of a grocery store? And I'm not in PR.
Rip, I agree that McCain can't do a darn thing about the national media, but he and his campaign can do a great deal with both visuals and topics NOT to appear irrelevant--and his looked darned irrelevant in that golf cart and in that cheese aisle.
My point is that McCain is largely sleepwalking and his advisers seem to be tanking his chances.
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What kind of news coverage do you think McCain would get if he held a news conference on his new immigration plan giving explicit details on securing the border and exercising and upholding existing immigration laws.He can than move on to his exciting new domestic energy program he will introduce to the Senate, where we will maximize all our ample resources and create a national mandate using private and government agencies to develop alternative fuels.Closing with a exciting patriotic rant of the American can do spirit and how we did it before and we can do it again as he raises is hands to thunderous applause! I don't know, maybe it's just me. |
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Nice dream, wish he had it in him. |
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then it would be logical to go even MORE left ergo Obama would be the best choice, n'est pa? |
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We'd have to get him fitted for an R jersey, so the RINO's would go for it. |
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I am sure Mac could tell him where he got his. |
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LOL, really, I laughed out loud. |
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You mean an incident like travelling to the Middle East and Europe as the "presumptive" nominee for the Democrat Party and then acting as though he had already been elected? You mean like entering into pseudo negotiations with the Iraqi Prime Minister on a timetable for the withdrawal of US Troops? You mean like speaking before the Germans in a tone and message condescending to America? An incident like that? |
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Lincoln Chaffee, Christine Todd Whitman... |
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Snowe, Collins, or how about Linda Chavez? |
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VP, PP, Scarlet, Gunlock...
Let's all agree that John McCain's approach to dealing with Illegal Immigration was and is wrong.
WHAT do you geniuses propose is the SOLUTION that can be implemented during the next 4 years?
HOW are you going to get MILLIONS of illegal immigrants deported?
Electing Obama?
Seriously - aside from bellyaching on TH blogs and throwing away your vote on Barr/Nader/kook-of-the-moment... How are you doing ANYTHING to accomplish your objectives? |
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You didn't address me...but may I?
First, there is not going to be a solution in the next 4 years, sadly. We must look longer term. No matter which liberal we elect, the next 4 years are going to be rough sledding.
Maybe by 2010, once the American peole get a dose of a liberal in the White House with a liberal House and Senate, we may be able to start clearing the pipeline with some real conservatives. Then by 2012 we should be primed to retool the entire group.
In the meantime, deporting all of those illegal immigrants is not that complcated. ENFORCE THE LAWS CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS. Come down hard on those who employ illegals. When they begin to realize that employing illegals is expensive and inconvenient (with fines and/or jail time), the jobs will begin to dry up for illegals.
Next, stop supplying social programs, including schools, welfare, food stamps, etc. to those here illegally. When they realize they can't get work and can't get welfare, they'll find their way back to wherever they came from.
Unfortunately, the clowns in Washington are not going to do this over the next 4 years, but you need to look longer term. |
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Much calmer explanation than I could muster. |
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Hey, I like your suggestion of my two Republican senators from here in Maine - Snowe and Collins. Either of them would be a good compliment to Mr. Maverick (is it Bart or Brett?). |
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And don't you forget it, now shut up, get in line, hold your nose and vote for McCain. (Bring your own vomit bags) |
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Can't believe you don't know how to go about it with the illegals: like MC says: enforce the current laws and, he beat me to it, make the biz owners pay up. I think $10,000 per violation would be a good start. Think they'd resist hiring 'em then?
But let's not forget the banks ("bancos" here in GA) who set up accounts to any Juan, Pedro or Jorge who comes in with any type of Mexican-lookin' ID whatsoever. My wife used to work for a major bank and knew that the bank was violating its own policy as well as federal laws when they set up these accounts.
And landlords. What if we penalize them for renting to illegals? I'd think this would be a good way to force people to self-police.
Newt had a great idea - sic UPS on 'em. They can track down anything.
Don't know where to find 'em? How about LA the next Cinco de Mayo parade? That's one place to look.
We're America. We can do anything if we put our minds, hearts, and cash to it. |
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Please forgive me, por favor? |
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Your Spanish is better than mine. I have forgotten most of what I learned in school. Until 5-6 years ago there was no one here to practice with. |
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Vote Obama - get socialism, get socialist judges, get scared for real as our defense system is taken apart.
Vote McCain - get fiscal reform, conservative judges and strong defense.
You can parse, rationalize and complain about the situation...but the facts are simple...you vote Obama or third party (Obama wins)...the America we know will be changed and the likes of Soros will have won a major con job and victory for Marxism.
Vote McCain, get him elected and prepare for a real conservative in 2012. |
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Vote McCain and get:
McCain-Fiengold
McCain-Kennedy
Cap and trade
Global warming focus
More thumbs in the eye to conservatives.
I'm not going there anymore. At what point do we draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough? We have been holding our noses for too long and it has to stop. We are better than that. We are not a small handful of malcontented kooks. We can make a difference. "None of the above" will have a huge showing in Novemebr, which will be a great victory for conservatives, whether Obama wins or McCain wins. Either way, our work will continue.
Why don't you come join us and really be right? You need to lose your fear of Obama. It will not be the end of civilization as we know it, and it can be a new beginnig of the conservative revolution. |
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Hey, I lived in Mejico Nuevo for a couple of years, and my former job required frequent trips to Puerto Rico and Republica de Dominicana. I love spanish, and love spanish people as a whole. My problem comes with that pesky little word "ILLEGAL". |
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I'm pretty sure when I cast my vote for Barr in November that I will not be counted as a vote for anyone else. Besides, what if my last two choices were between Obama and Barr when I opted for Barr? Following I Am Right's logic, wouldn't that make my vote a vote for McCain? Why does Obama always get the benefit of anyone voting 3rd party? Sounds like a winner to me. If he has the kvorka going for him, maybe he SHOULD be president. Every rebound goes in. Every lotto ticket is a winner. Balls always bounce the right way. That sure McCain sounds like a loser if luck always works against him. Who wants THAT in a president?
Maybe it would be better if we could actually find a reason to vote FOR McCain? Twisted logic only works on twisted people. |
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Barr is a good man...but will not win. It is very simple...there is a massive organization needed to win. The libertarian party does not have the system in place. For all the years that the party has be viable, they have not been able to establish a real “get elected” system.
Regarding MianeConsevative point. I agree. I hate these bills that he created. My support for McCain is based on the current chess board of this election.
The simple fact is that, we, as conservatives have the best chance to see our values maintained or influence policy with McCain. We have absolutely no chance with Obama. Please keep in mind...the house and senate are led by the libs. The Republicans are too weak and too stupid to beat back the relentless assault on reason that comes from the left. The left cares only about winning...not being right. If they win the presidency...they win.
THINK...there may be three judges that the next president will pick. Imagine what the decision would have been on the DC gun case...one vote separated between tyranny and freedom. The supreme court has the power to dramatically change our country. Do really want to throw your vote away for “principle”. We all have an obligation to protect your family and country...this is the important principle to maintain.
If you vote third party...you are not thinking.
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Going along with the status quo is not thinking. Why are you convinced that McCain, given his propensity to reach accross the aisle compromise with liberals, will nominate and fight for justices in the mold of Roberts and Alito? He said at the time that Alito was too conservative. He voted to approve Ginsburg.
Some of the most liberal justices were appointed by Republicans.
You are looking at it too narrowly. You are right, Barr has no chance to win, which means either McCain or Obama will prevail. How much less effective will whichever of those win if they have a majority of the voters vote against them? If either wins with say 42% of the vote, they will have no mandate to implement any socialist agenda on the American people.
"None of the above" will be an important player in this election. Then we can work hard to clear out the liberals and replace them with conservatives in 2010 and 2012. Holding your nose and voting McCain will only prolong the agony. Why does the choice have to be a Democrat or a democrat?
Liberalism is ugly in and of itself. It is even less attractive with an "R" behind the name. |
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candidate for POTUS than JSM, but they are such idiots that they cannot think of that candidate's name or what that candidate stands for. It is best to disregard the postings of such idiots. |
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Bob Barr is considerably more conservative than John McCain, as is Chuck Baldwin. |
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If you're going to be of no help, why don't you just get out of the way? |
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candidates only in their own minds and the minds of people who are determined not to choose the next president of the United States.
As I said, "Some idiots think there is a better
candidate for POTUS than JSM, but they are such idiots that they cannot think of that candidate's name or what that candidate stands for. It is best to disregard the postings of such idiots.
They sound something like this, "Gee Rocky, why won't you vote for Barr?" "Because Bullwinkle, Barr does not have a chance and I do not want to throw my vote away, my vote is precious to me and I greatly want to help choose the next POTUS. A vote for Barr is a wasted vote". |
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Go ahead and vote for the guy who will give away your country.
We The People are being told by our representatives that we should sit down and shut up while they invite in the entire world. We The People should get some say in this matter. Another amnesty will set off a stampede like we have never seen before. There is not much time to save our country. All the power and money are on the side of shoving this amnesty down our throats. The RNC wants an amnesty candidate, don't vote for one. |
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While I am no fan of John McCain, I have to wonder why anyone would vote for Barack Obama. "Change that we can believe in", what the heck is that? Obama is all style and no substance. He is an empty suit. Take away his teleprompter and he can't even put together a complete sentence.
Barack Obama would make a good GQ model but as president, he would be an even worse than Jimmy Carter. |
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In the heat of summer - other than political junkies - no-one is really paying a lot of attention to polls. The American people are smart, intuitive and will utlimately make the right decision in spite of the MSM tilt - the empty suit will not sell.
Too bad he is not running in Germany - too bad.
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MaineConservative
It is a unfortunate fact, but the tradition of the Senate, particularly with the Republicans, has been to support the presidents justice choice. Ginsburg was voted for out of that tradition... which, by the way, is one of the reasons why I would like to see the Senate term limited. The Senate has evolved into a club which is not the deliberative and responsible group of leaders our founding fathers had intended. It is often a barrier to reason.
As I indicated in my earlier post, conservatives will have a better chance trying to influence a McCain preseidency than an Obama presidency. There is no chance with Obama. If he wins...the liberals will expand there influence and do harm to this country. McCain is a pain, but he has many consistent conservative postitions on gun rights, prolife, fiscal responsibility, etc. He is not a stellar conservative, but, in this weird election cycle he is electable. No chance for Barr.
Regarding the "mandate" percentage... this is really a non-issue. No matter what the number is, if you win....you win, and if that president is a liberal, with a liberal House and Senate, will have the power to dramatically and adversely change the country.
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Ginsburg became Clinton's appointee at the recommendation of Orrin Hatch. Clinton had approached Hatch asking him to give him a couple of judges that Republicans wouldn't cause problems over. Prior to Ted Kennedy's breaking with Senate tradition and challenging every single Reagan nominee (John Tower, Robert Bork), there was no political litmus test. So long as the appointees were of good character, it was considered a courtesy to rubber stamp the President's choices.
And I totally disagree with you that conservatives have ANY chance of influencing McCain on judges. We already know he is not interested in conservative judges and will probably nominate judges that will not pose a challenge to his pals across the aisle in the Senate. He is very good friends with Orrin Hatch, another "shoeless" conservative. |
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Notice that the Democrats don't extend that courtesy to GOP nominations, they filibuster them. That was why the GOP was finally having a showdown with the Democrats. The one who frustrated that effort was John McCain. |
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I can't disagree with your points.
When presented with limited options...a person needs to choose the best of the options that will allow the most opportunity for influence.
Like it or not (and I don't like it) the choice in this cycle is McCain. |
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Wrong on Judges: He is going with the Ted Olson picks. And there will be a Senate showdown.
Wrong on Rubber Stamping the Dem Congress: McCain's only power is his veto so he has to use it. Plus McCain has to build concensus with Republicans and Moderate Dems to keep Pelosi and Reid in line.
So I can disagree with Pasadena Phil's points. They are wrong.
Will McCain be a moderate conservative? I think that is likely. But that is far different than having even a moderate liberal (and in fact Barack Obama is a far left liberal) with both houses of Congress. |
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That's my bitter personal troll DNC Joe on the prior comment. Just as the GOP has trashed the Republican brand by trying to out-liberal the Democrats, DNC Joe has trashed his "Joe" brand by turning into a raving lying idiot and now must cross-dress into another identity. He is following the path of other obnoxious trolls (e.g. remember Joeb...? Now eugene). I also suspect DNC Joe has at least one other sock puppet identity. Was a bitter sad sack weasel.
See what becomes of all that nose holding? Cuts off the circulation to the brain. Go ahead, vote for McCain. Who cares? If you don't like the status quo but will still vote for it, you only have yourself to blame. We used to have to shoot people to change the status quo. Today, we can vote 3rd party. How much courage does that take? How hard is that to figure out?
In case you haven't noticed, Congress is hearing us. Has amnesty passed? Did the Cap and Trade bill pass? Vote Republican down ticket but vote 3rd party for president. Don't buy into the fear-mongering and race-baiting. Be an adult. This is America. We are just voting for the next president, not for the survival of civilization itself. A vote for either McCain or Obama is a vote for the status quo, particularly McCain. Think. It's not complicated, the world will survive and you won't go to jail for voting 3rd party. |
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Do you want to vote for the rabbit or the weasel?
I love the bold, proud, strong Pavlovs' reasons for voting for The Great Exasperator".
You guys must be able to hit the high notes. |
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pasendena Phil:
If the discontented conservatives decide to vote third party...then Obama wins.
If Obama wins...you and all third party voters will really have something to be discontented about.
A moderate conservative is by far better than a not to bright Marxist. |
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...I just don't trust his judgment or experience or his liberal education or his so called religiosity. |
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even though most voters are "uneasy" about obama, he's STILL ahead of mccain. what does that say about mccain? |
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Americans uneasy about electing a Communist as POTUS---I don't get it. We only had a 60 year cold war with Obama's ideological type, and we would resist swearing him in on the Communist Manifesto---no? |
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