Thursday, October 18, 2007
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The GOP: Dawn Breaks?
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Posted by:
Patrick Ruffini at
4:59 PM
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I think we can finally dispense with the talk of 2008 being another 2006 for Democrats. This hasn’t shown up in the national numbers, or likely will for weeks. I get the sense that right now is the time to sell the contract on Democrats winning the White House on Intrade. (Technical analysis alone would suggest this — check out the hockey stick-like buying pattern.) That isn’t to say they won’t win — but 63 will probably be their high water mark for quite some time. This is not a call for celebration. We are still laboring against a significant enthusiasm gap and an unpopular war. But a few important indicators suggest we may have found a bottom. For a party that hasn’t been on the upswing since January 2005 and has been in virtual freefall since Katrina, that is something. These are the vectors I see converging on this conclusion: Iraq: We have had many false positives in Iraq. But this time the good news is accompanied by an actual change in strategy. For all the impatience with the war, the American people have been responsive to short term improvements on the ground. Even before this week’s relatively euphoric coverage, the “are we winning” numbers were going up off only spotty indicators the surge was working. There is a constituency for victory. It’s may not be a majority, but between the 30th and 50th percentiles of support for the war there seems to be a strong willingness to stick it out if the strategy seems to be working. If things stay as they are or even improve, we may be headed back to something resembling an even split on Iraq, depending on where the Republican candidate can credibly draw the line. I don’t think things will ever be seen as going well, but just being removed from the pre-surge fever pitch of “bring them home now” will help. But most critical is Hillary’s positioning. Secure in her victory, she is giving up her anti-war positioning. I think that is a big mistake. She is calculating that a President must be measured and reasonable on issues of war and peace. That’s probably right. But how does she cope with the decidedly unmeasured feelings towards the war of not just her base, but anti-war moderates? How does she act as a plausible Commander-in-Chief while at the same time creating a mandate for herself as a decisive change agent? If she looks like Kerry 2.0 — calculating and unremorseful about her 2002 vote — doesn’t she just look like more of the same to anti-war swing voters? Couldn’t Romney, who seems to be leaving himself some space here, come in with a competence/change message? With Iraq looking better, and Hillary narrowing the differences, Democrats could be surrendering Iraq as a ballot issue. SCHIP: This is not an obvious one, but Gallup says Americans agree with us on the policy. Framing-wise, this is still a loser (”GOP against health care for kids.”) But that would hold in virtually any political climate. This isn’t exactly the first time we’ve been attacked like this. What’s different is that we’ve had some counterintuitive poll results showing the public rejecting new Democratic entitlements, especially when means-testing is loose to non-existent. The Hillary baby-bond idea flopped (this surprised me). And the public pretty explicitly wants SCHIP kept at 200% of poverty. The common thread: no new entitlements. If Democrats can’t move the needle on their core domestic issues, then what? Even through the worst of it, the public stayed pretty conservative on entitlements and spending. The problem is that were in no position to exploit this winning position. Now we are. MA-5: No, we shouldn’t read overarching national implications into this. But if the “wave” were still in force, it would never have been this close. In fact, the only race that was remotely like this in 2006, with an unknown Republican sneaking up on a heavily favored Democrat, was IN-7, and only because Julia Carson likes to consult the position of Jupiter before making staffing decisions. That was one race out of 435. This was one out of two or three specials this year. This doesn’t signal a pro-GOP wave so much as a reversion to the norm. Candidates who run races like Ogonowski did should be competitive, even in blue districts. Guys who run as brilliantly as Michael Steele did should win, even in Maryland, and Rick Santorum shouldn’t lose by 20 points. The fact that we’re competitive right out of the gate in NM-SEN and CO-SEN, and holding steady in MN-SEN and OR-SEN, suggests a more normal political environment. 2006 was a killing field. 2007-8 is not. You Don’t Get Two: Expanding this point, history is not on the side of repeat waves. Republicans thought 1996 would be another wave until the government shutdown in November ‘95. 1982 was not another wave. The classic example of hubris after first winning a Congressional majority was 1948. Moreover, it’s difficult to produce a wave in a Presidential year. 1980 and 1932 are practically the only ones. In 1992, the Republicans gained ten seats. More voters, more indifferent voters, and more voters focused almost exclusively on a close Presidential election weighs down the electorate, making it harder to produce dramatic upsets down-ticket. The House vote in Presidential and non-Presidential years makes the point. The Congressional ballot swings around a lot more in midterms. 1992 is the exception that proves the rule. That was the last election before the 1994 realignment. Midterms 2006 52.2 - 44.3 D ( 7.9 D) 2002 49.6 - 45.0 R ( 4.6 R) 1998 48.0 - 47.1 R ( 0.9 R) 1994 50.0 - 44.0 R ( 6.0 R) Presidential 2004 49.2 - 46.6 R ( 2.6 R) 2000 47.3 - 47.0 R ( 0.3 R) 1996 48.1 - 47.8 D ( 0.3 D) 1992 49.1 - 44.4 D ( 4.7 D) The takeaway: a close Presidential election creates a vortex in which it’s difficult to talk of one party having a decisive advantage at any level. The narrative next year is more likely to be: “close, vicious Hillary vs. Rudy/Romney battle” over “another Democratic blowout.” If the national environment does improve somewhat, and the nominee starts close to slightly behind, we won’t have the steady demoralizing drumbeat we had in 2006. Rank-and-file Republicans will be too focused on beating up Hillary. Democrats in red districts could be cross-pressured. No Bush to Kick Around Anymore: 2006 was the last year in which a Democrat could effectively run against Bush. It is not possible to do more political damage to Bush. People know he’s leaving. Is this a case for 2008 as a Republican year? Not yet. But the Democrats’ best-case scenario is probably a muted change election like 2000 or 1976.
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but likely to be trumped by the recession that will be caused by the ever-worsening housing slump. The first big wave of Option ARM foreclosures will start in mid 2008 & continue for 2-3 years after that. If you don't know what an Option ARM is, call someone who lives in California. It's a gimmick that lets someone earning $50k think they can afford a $500k house. However unfair it may be, people are likely to blame that on the GOP, just as they blamed the mild 1991 recession on Bush 41. Admittedly, Perot helped Clinton win his plurality. In 2008 you add "it's the economy stupid" to the war & it's hard to see the GOP coming out on top. We'll be stuck with Sandy Burglar & Madeleine Halfbright again. |
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Before this afternoon, I would have had to don by Optimist Hat, but still would have agreed with RUffini's tout.
Having just Seen Rep Pete Stark's hum-flippin-dinger of a comment on the House floor, asserting that our Iraqi military deaths --getting their "heads blown off" to quote Stark-- are all for President "Bush's amusement", I've thrown my hat into the air and whooped. THe comment is outrageous, and despicable, and hateful ...but I LOVE IT!! It's the whole Wellstone funeral show rolled right up into a one-man band performance.
I can't find another metaphor to mix in here --I'm now even giddier at hearing Nancy Pelosi thank the execrable Stark for his remarks.
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If this is a loser for the reasons you state Patrick, it is because no one, and I mean NO ONE, is making the case against it to the public. So when Pelosi talks about "the children", that is the only voice heard. That is how we wound up have a democrat in the lead nationally for thw GOP nomination. No one wants to take on the Democrats so lets just be like them. Rudy promises to beat Hillary by being just like her and only he can beat her.
This is an election for the GOP to lose and they are hell bent to lose it. See the latest Zogby poll from yesterday that no one seems to want to talk about here. Where are you Dean? We need you!
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN162462072007101 7?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true |
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I'm sure it will go down hisorically speaking about the same as your prediction on Newt:) |
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Bush is now about 8-0 against the Nasticrat Congress who cannot get a thing done! (4 war retreat resolutions, the Armenian resolution, FISA twice, and now SCHIPS) Then we have the gift of what the Nasti's say, Pete Stark Raving's quote will be a great ad spot! Can't wait to see all it, with Hillary's laugh as the background! |
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to a Republican win. My wife talked with my M-I-L (79 and very sharp) who gave her the line about Bush shutting off funding for Children's Insurance. By the time she got done explaining the continuing resolution, Bush's agreement to increase the program by about 10%, 300-400% poverty level funding for eligibility, that some adults are being funded, that there is no way to prevent putting children of illegal aliens on it, that it would take 20% of the kids off from private insurance, etc., my M-I-L was first taken aback, then absolutely enraged, that the Toledo Blade and the nightly news were NOT explaining the issue, but were instead just spouting a party line.
If laborlawyer thinks that they can win on issues like this, GO AHEAD. Make my year. The people of this country are beginning to recognize that they are being sold out by a pack of special interests, and will not vote for those. They also are tired of the bitter attitude and mean-spiritedness in Congress, and now see (Fortney Stark is a perfect example) that it is coming from the Democrats (I would say also to be fair, but I can't find Republican bile like the Democrats spout). And that bile applies to most of the libs who post here.
Finally, an "ineffectual, damaged President" is a stupid statement that I will love to quote. The Democrats lost, not the President5. |
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Well put, and an excellent reminder for those of you who think an audio clip of Hillary Clinton laughing is all you need to get Americans to vote like WorldNetDaily readers. Ruffini's analysis is hoping agaainst hope - a rosy assessment based partly on both the Democratic party's popularity peaking (true) and a very charitable view of a special election in a very atypical district.
Also consider how the GOP can't run as the "outsider" party anymore -- they had absolute federal power for a solid six years, presently control a cable news network, and cowed the media for years regarding the Iraq War. The media landscape is littered with second-tier Rush Limbaugh clones who more or less spout the same ideas. There's not much of a big bad Left Wing Media left to beat up on, and the Democrats in Congress who are attempting to assert the popular view on the Iraq War are stymied by a GOP minority.
In short, the GOP just isn't in the underdog position it had during the "Reagan Revolution," and its silly to pretend that the primaries are about finding the next Reagan.
As Mao said, its always darkest before it goes completely black. Considering the way the GOP used its power over the past few years, it is probably for the better.
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...IS WORSE THAN BUSH!
You know they're gonna trot that one out. In fact, I've seen it on some lefty blogs already. |
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Soory, guys, we love you, love your work. But Pete Stark just wrote the one-size-fits-all ad of the quadrennium. Every candidate should have this in his or her quiver of campaign weaponry: replay the C-Span footage of Stark's speech, and close the ad with play on the FEC mandated footnote: "I'm [the candidate] and I do NOT support this message --and NEITHER SHOULD YOU by voting for a Democrat!" |
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Conservative Wishful Thinking Axiom going into high gear: If I wish it to be true, then it must be true. Alas, no. (By the by, the Tsongas-Ogonowski race was not close. Had that been a presidential election, Tsongas would be delaring a mandate). |
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80% of Americans believe we should take care of those 10 million kids - somehow Ruffini's numbers don't seem to add up. No surprise since these guys lie with impunity these days. Heck, they don't even TRY to hide it. |
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"unpopular war" crap. No war is popular. Even World War II was not popular. A war is necessary or it is not. There is no polling data that accurately measures how the American public feels about the war because all the polls expect us to be either for or against, which is a stupid opposition. Of course I'm against the war. I'm against all kinds of unpleasant but necessary tasks; it doesn't mean I don't understand and support the necessity for doing them and it certainly doesn't mean that I won't see them through to completion. I know a lot of people who don't necessarily like Mr. Bush, who hate the war as it is but who will nevertheless NOT vote for anyone who they feel will not see the task through to completion. |
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Dudley MA 5 was a Dem win in 04 by + 17 and all they could manage now was +6! Historical leaning is D + 10 - spin it how you want but that's a crap result for the incumbent party despite a win.
Skeptic of Jingoism You don't understand how mortgage markets work to post such simplistic spin. When Wall St turned on the sub-prime market the hedge fund owners took a long hard look at the very issue of option ARMS (and other funding hybrids that were de rigour a few years ago) and all with exposure to this market revalued their funds downwards (often sharply) accordingly - others went under. When a fund goes under, it cant fall any further. These collapses had the ripple effect of driving many sub prime mortgage lenders under (and a brought mainstream non-bank lenders to the brink). The asset class revaluations have factored in the sharp climb in default (and thence foreclosure) rates in 08 you allude to. In reality, default rates are quite low but have risen off a low base. There will be a continued chill on the housing market as foreclosures bring more properties onto the market in clusters but there will be nothing so catastrophic that would become a huge electoral liability. The Fed is likely to drop interest rates at least another 25 points in the next 6 months (on top of the recent 50 point drop). Unemployment remains low, job growth is strong, profits on Main St are holding up hence the steady rise in the stock market. Add lower interest rates to this equation and this puts a floor under the real estate market. |
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Let me remind you of just some of the incremental attacks on our Constitution during the Bush Administration:
Freedom from warrentless search and seizure - suspended by the Patriot Act. The Bush Administration's continued politicization of the Justice Department. Imprisonment without due process - suspension of Habeas Corpus. Freedom from torture and self-incrimination - torture sanctioned by the Bush Administration at the infamous Abu Ghraib prison and other secret camps. The Bush Administration's misuse of FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) to justify a warrantless domestic wire tapping program! It's a frightening list - a pattern of assaults on our constitutional protections by people who are abusing power to achieve their ends at any cost!
What wonderful values you have.. Supporting torture, gross violation of the constitution, a war that is making us LESS secure not more secure, fiscal irresponsiblity beyond comprehension and whats with your beyond belief support of a President who vetoes legislation for health coverage for poor children that is the equivalent of the cost of funding a worse than useless war for a few weeks?? Values ??? give me a break.. your kind of values make me puke.. btw I didn't see any mention of Bush's latest approval ratings now at 24% the lowest of any president in history..
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Which one of these "attacks on our Constitution" has not undergone Congressional or judicial oversight?
Which policy has not been challenged in court and received a fair hearing?
What evidence do you have that "torture" has occurred?
Outside of Bush doing his job and pulling every lever of power at his disposal to make sure another 9/11 would not occur on his watch, what's the problem?
He did his job as every stunned citizen should have expected and most demanded of him after looking upon the ruins of lower Manhattan.
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June 2003: Bush Urges Patience in Search for WMD
June 2004: Bush Urges Patience with Iraqi Plans at G8 Summit
Jan 2005: Bush Urges Patience on Iraq as Election Nears
June 2005: Bush Urges Patience, Long View on Iraq War
Aug 2005: Bush Calls for Patience on Iraq Mission
Nov 2005: Bush Urges Patience with Iraq Training
March 2006: Bush Calls on Americans to Show Patience with Iraq
June 2006: After Iraq Visit, Bush Urges Patience
Aug 2006: Bush Urges Patience on Iraq, Speed in Lebanon
Oct 2006: Conceding Missteps, Bush Urges Patience on Iraq
Nov 2006: Bush Urges Patience on Winning Iraq War
March 2007: Bush Pleads for Patience in Iraq War
May 2007: Bush Urges Patience on Iraq
June 2007: Bush Urges Patience on Iraq
July 2007: War In Year 5; Bush Requests Patience
Aug 2007: Bush Pleads for More Patience for Iraq War Efforts |
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"But how does she cope with the decidedly unmeasured feelings towards the war of not just her base, but anti-war moderates? How does she act as a plausible Commander-in-Chief while at the same time creating a mandate for herself as a decisive change agent?"
Heck, that's an easy pair. HR Clinton will just continue to change her story for every audience, adjust to the poll du jour, and sidestep threatening questions while the MSM cherry-picks quotes to suit the occasion. These are classic Clinton Tactics for Idiot Voters, er, Democrats. |
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So far congressional oversight has not even scraped the surface of the crimes of this administration.. How can they when "executive privelege" is continually being used to hide their malfeasance. Or another of president cheneys dodges is "we have to keep what we did secret because of national security".
You state: "Outside of Bush doing his job and pulling every lever of power at his disposal to make sure another 9/11 would not occur on his watch, what's the problem?"
"He did his job as every stunned citizen should have expected and most demanded of him after looking upon the ruins of lower Manhattan."
NO he didn't do his job.. take your blinders off.. He sat and read "My Pet Goat" for 45 minutes after being told our country was under attack when there were still planes in the air instead of acting decisively and promptly.. He swore he was going to get the perpetrator of 9/11 Osama Bin Laden "Dead of Alive" who 5 years later is still inspiring more terrorist recruits and thumbing his nose at us.. This president swore an oath to PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION which he then proceeded to shred.. He took us into a war in Iraq based on false manufactured intelligence and used 9/11 as an excuse when there was no reality in this connectio whatsoever.. Now 5 years later we are still in a bloody quagmire with no end in sight and no exit strategy.. Instead we get a false claim of "Mission Accomplished" and insincere calls for patience year after year.. You call this doing his job.. I call it failure to do his job and failure to uphold his oath to protect the constitution.
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The only idiot voters are blinder wearing bleating right wing ideologues that can't see the forest for the trees. These Bushworld idiots continue to support the worst president and the most corrupt, fiscally irresponsible, secretive, fascist regime in the history of our nation. |
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"NO he didn't do his job.. take your blinders off.. He sat and read "My Pet Goat" for 45 minutes after being told our country was under attack when there were still planes in the air instead of acting decisively and promptly.."
Blinders, huh? Forty-five minutes is a long time - especially when you compare it to the 7 minutes that he actually continued reading "The Pet Goat."
I'll tell ya - I really want to be outraged about my rights and liberties being lost and the Constitution being shredded. I really do. So please tell me which liberties I have personally lost and my outrage will begin. |
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Ever read Roosevelt's or Churchill's speeches during WW2? Pretty similar plea for patience. Wars are unpleasant, they usually dont turn out quite like the generals hope and usually last longer than planned.
With respect to the intelligence regarding Saddam's WWD - Britains MI6, the Russians, the Germans and the French intelligence services (none strong allies of the US efforts in Iraq and the Israeli Mossad ALL had reached the same conclusions. Senators had access to the intelligence and even the Democrats expressed concern about the Iraqi capability. Pres Clinton and all his administration expressed similar concerns. Please furnish independent proof that the intelligence was fudged (no lefty blog sites suffering from chronic Bush Derangement Syndrome dont count) |
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Fejj,
I understand mortgage markets perfectly well. You said "When a fund goes under, it can't fall any further." I fully agree. I wasn't predicting a further collapse in hedge funds. I was predicting much greater turmoil in the housing market starting next year. Your comment that "in reality, default rates are quite low but have risen off a low base" completely ignores the fact that Option ARMs have a 5 year "fuse" before they blow up (when they re-cast on 25 year amortization) and that most such loans are "younger" than 5 years. Most people in those loans are stil awaiting the 60% (or more) payment increases that will start hitting in 2008 & beyond. Given that many if not most of them are "upside down", huge numbers of people will go into foreclosure. I predict a political impact from that. We shall see.
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Fejj, 52-48 is almost close. 51-45 is not. That means the loser had no chance. |
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Bush only has Dixiecrats left as supporters. The Republicans ditched him a long time ago. The man has been a complete and total failure in his job. He claims we are in a war for our survival, and does NOTHING to control the US border in 7 years. He is a liar, just like his liar dad. "Read my lips, no new taxes."
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Other things working for the GOP: * The Dems have misread their 2006 victory, and have promoted an obviously irresponsible foreign policy. In 2006, the independent swing voters in 2006 were angry at Bush about Iraq, which they believed is a pointless war, and voted punish him. These voters "knew this was a free vote" i.e., according to the conventional wisdom, because the Congress doesn't control foreign policy, so the Dems "couldn't" really do anything about Iraq. They could only punish Bush, through oversight and subpoenas. But after the election, the Dems began to meddle where they didn't belong (i.e., foreign policy), as they began to do everything they could to cause our defeat in Iraq (other than the one constitutional thing they can do, which is stop the funding). The swing voters began to get angry. All this has made the Dems look irresponsible on foreign policy. * Americans favor divided government. And the easiest way to keep divided government in 2008 is to vote Republican for President. It is "conventional wisdom" that the Dems have a lock on the Congress today; thus, the swing voters can only go right in the Presidential race if they want to prevent one party from sweeping the election. With the pox on both sides mentallity in place, this is most logical vote for them. * Hillary is the most likely nominee for the Democratic party and she is incredibly unpopular with both Republicans and the swing voters. The Republicans hate her - they will come out to vote against her in droves. The swing voters dislike her, as she is known for her corruption, and has a shrill and mean personality, so they will swing against her. In other words, Hillary can only win if she manages to beat the hell out of the GOP nominee, even while escaping his counterattacks, and she is also able to capitalize on his unforced mistakes. This is tough to do (but not impossible).
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Although there is much to be disgusted about, regarding Bush and his hack-media supporters, the cold fact is that in 2008 the choice will be between a republican, and a closet socialist demo who will raise taxes and rub our faces in affirmative action. Normal people will make the right choice. |
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