Tuesday, April 29, 2008
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What's Next With the "Pastor Disaster"?
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Posted by:
Michael Medved at
8:02 PM
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Now that Barack Obama has finally and unequivocally denounced Jeremiah Wright, the next move is up the rantin' Rev himself.
How is he likely to respond?
It seems obvious that the Obama camp would greatly prefer an angry attack-- featuring insults like "Judas" and "Uncle Tom" and "Zionist Tool." If anything, Obama's comments today seemed designed to provoke Rev. Wright and to produce the kind of bitter (to use one of Barack's favorite words) reaction that would do more than anything else to separate the pastor from his former protege', once and for all.
If Al Sharpton and other race-baiting radicals and extremists joined in with their own condemnations of Senator Obama, it would be all the better for his campaign and his candidacy.
Then, and only then, would Obama be able to get back on track as the "post racial unifier" who stood up to hate-mongers on all sides and spoke directly to the broad American middle.
If Pastor Wright remains uncharacteristically silent -- with no angry words about the "anger" which Barack explicitly aimed at him -- then it's a sure sign that he's so deeply enraged by his former friend's betrayal that he wants, above all, to damage the Obama campaign.
Ironically, if he maintains any remaining affection for the Junior Senator from Illinois, he'll speak up within the next few days and attack him as a sell out.
It's precisely the sort of verbal assault that will help assure primary victories in both North Carolina and Indiana on May 6th.
Every Hollywood producer knows that the best way to build up a hero is to provide him with a compelling, charismatic villain as his chief enemy. At the moment, in political terms, Jeremiah Wright qualifies as the most useful enemy in the world.
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Duncan Hunter is a lying, warmongering PSYCHOPATH. Please stay in your California Dreamland and leave the rest of us out of that NIGHTMARE, Sparky..... OK?
Thanx.
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And many INNOCENT people were in the Mid East.
Who bombed Laos and Cambodia? Who ousted Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran in 1953 and installed the Shah(complete with torture chambers and prisons)? WHO GAVE SADDAM THE GAS you reichers SCREAM ABOUT (he was OUR BOY!) ??? \
Who helped set up the Greek Military Junta in Greece in the 60s and 70s? Who SUPPORTED 2 corrupt puppet dictatorships in Viet Nam? Diem and Thieu ? Marcos? Somoza? Mass murder in the Philippines in and after the Spanish American War? Pinochet in Chile? Peron?
Black Slavery? Yes..... But let's not forget the BIG ONE... the systematic genocide of the First Americans. By the MILLIONS.
A message for doughy white racists like John Gibson and Bill MALMADY O'LIE-ly: When you are on the heinous end of a policy for GENERATIONS.... it is a BIT harder to come back from..... so STOP equating Wright's racism with your own. Yours is ubiquitous , INSTITUTIONAL and mainly unconscious... John "WHITES NEED TO BREED TO OUTBREED HISPANICS" Gibson!
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I'll bet the farm there are A FEW of you in here who SAY you are Christians (that means walking via the teachings of Jeshua ben Joseph).... Who:
1) despise gay people
2) call Arabic people Towelheads, Sand Monkeys, Sand Niggers, or Hahjies. (I was in Viet Nam....the slur was GOOK, then.)
3) Support the DISASTER in Iraq... with all the DEATH of Iraqis. HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS! But that kind of death is OK with you, it's just all those "t'urrrrurisssst" brown people.
But if a six week old FETUS is aborted, you have APOPLEXY. And you WANT THE DEATH PENALTY. Wow... square THAT CIRCLE. One last thing: I have been in war, and come from an entire family of combat veterans, so save your John Wayne chickenhawk tough talk, and UNPATRITOIC SMEARS for people who don't know better. Rev. Wright is right about one thing. The karmic chickens ARE roosting... the US DOD and CIA have murdered or,by PROXY, killed untold 100s of thousands of INNOCNET people worldwide since 1947. |
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Do A FEW - A FEW - of you still night ride?
Burn "things"? Hang "things" in trees?
Meet late at night in the woods - 'by the fire'?
Advocate for a new kind of Nixon-Helms-Buchanan Southern Strategy? Have eye-hole cutouts in your sheets? // Paul Weyrich: "I don't want everyone to vote (read: MINORITIES)..." Does that sound like a winner to you? Do you like the fact that THOUSANDS of black votes in FL were suppressed? By both BOGUS felony rolls (TY, Choicepoint!) and by overseas MILITARY ballots being thrown away... like that? OH NO! A 1/2 black man could be POTUS !!!!! OH NO !!!!!!
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Oh,I forgot, a FEW of you REICHERS cannot be that blatant these days.... you have to "USE CODE". YES: Rev. Wright is a loon and a racist, true, but that has little to do with skin pigmentation. And I have heard some of you Reichers on the radio say: "Obama has a race problem he needs to address." (like that VILE mysogynist, BIGOTED CHICKENHAWK PIG: el Rushb). Obama has the race problem???? Really ??? !!!
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Have you heard or read what literally HUNDREDS of lunatic right wing (ahem...WHITE) preachers SPEW OUT EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK? Hagee, Robertson, Falwell & now his son, Haggert, Roberson, Parsley, that clown who introduced McCain in Ohio, and HUNDREDS MORE of these ZEALOUS CRETINS who want to..yup RUN the United States. Just wondering if these Wingnuts terrify you as much as Wright does. THEY BETTER! They have more POLITICAL and $$$$ POWER than "Rev" Radical Wright could ever dream of... BECAUSE SOME OF YOU '4Th REICH' WING, FAUX-JESUS SHEEPLE GAVE IT TO THEM! And many of you can't even spell. Typical reich wing asses. NO HISTORY - NO TRUTH -Just bigot-crap.
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Re: Duncan Hunter, that'd be California Dreamn... |
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After bein a willin particapant in Op C; I'm reluctantly gonna vote for McPain. Unless of course, the entire nation wakes up and DEMANDS a Hunter presidency.
I'm just sayn... |
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I sleep just fine knowing that there's at least one person who reads my posts and acknowledges the facts of the matter, regardless of how well (or not) our political philosophies and opinions jibe.
That's what ticks me off about people like Rogue. If he wants to say he doesn't like McCain -- FINE! But, when he goes beyond that and tries to support his opinion with erroneous statements of fact ... FORGET IT!
You'll notice that he has yet to write a comeback to my deconstruction of his false assertions, and probably won't. |
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Oh sure, back up your arguments w/ STATISTICS. Show actual documented votin totals and PERCENTAGES from the correct states. What's next?! Real quotes from the candidates..in their OWN WORDS!
It's this kinda lust for truth and accuracy that will destroy this country!
How do you sleep at night?
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Can Obama stay in a church that still supports Wright? If the church still believes and teaches Wright’s hatred then Barak must find another place to worship. |
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For Obama to have any shot to get out of this he should act like the only true crossover artist in this campaign, John McCain. McCain has gone directly to the poorest and most democratic areas of the country.
Obama has to do the same to survive. For once in his life he should go to places where he is not the adored golden boy and take his lumps. To y knowledge I have not ever seen him take on anyone not to left of McGovern.
Hillary is already taking that cue by appearing on conservative TV and radio. Crossover appeal sells well.
And any Republican who thinks this appeal isn't working for John McCain, he is neck and neck with The Dem candidates even though the Republican party stands 20 points behind the Dems in the polls.
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Pick your poison.
A pox on both of their houses.
I'm voting third party.
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I don't know which one to vote for. B.O. is the most liberal of the 3 and it is a toss-up between Hilldabeast and McFingold. I think that I will vote for McFingold. At least he does not want to take my money like the Hildabeast does!! Except for the whole "let all the illegals into the country" thing he at least knows how to defend the country.
Jes, what a mess!! |
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Barack Hussein Obama is a radical and a liar period. Wright, the weather underground and his voting record. Talk to Iran with no preconditions. What a disaster! |
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To clarify, Missouri -- where the result was a three-way split between McCain (33%), Huckabee (32%) and Romney (29%) -- is the only state where, in addition to Republicans and independents, it may have taken the vote of crossover Dems to give McCain the victory. In every other state McCain won, the vote of Republicans and independents was enough.
"it's called, 'letting Democrats and Independents vote in Republican primaries'"
-- In open primaries an average of 3% of the vote was by Dems; in closed primaries, an average of 3% of the vote was by crossover Dems. Also, it's a good idea to let independents vote in GOP primaries since their votes are necessary in the general. Voter registration nationwide runs: 43% Democrat, 33% Republican, 24% independents and third parties. If voter turnout matches that breakdown, AND most voters vote the party line, it becomes very difficult for Republicans to win without the support of independents.
"McCain never won a single primary with a majority of Republican voters until after it was a foregone conclusion"
-- As already noted, prior to Romney dropping out McCain won 15 states; in 9 of those contests McCain received the majority of Republican votes; in New Hampshire he lost to Romney by 1%, in South Carolina he lost to Huckabee by 1%; in Florida he tied with Romney, in Oklahoma he tied with Huckabee. I couldn't find numbers for Delaware, but given McCain's 12 point margin of victory overall he probably took the GOP vote in that state as well.
In states where he won the Republican vote McCain won it by an average of 18 points. All of this BEFORE Romney and Huckabee dropped out. |
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"I can no more disown Rev Wright and my church than I can my own white grandmother who raised me."
"I was not present when these statements were made."
"Was I present in the pew when some of those statements that many would consider controversial were made? Yes."
"I was not present during those statements, Larry."
"I am outraged. I am saddened by the spectacle we saw yesterday."
(I am quoting these words by Barack Obama by memory, not from text. They may or may not be word for word, but I am confident that there is no distortion or taking out of context.)
Today, in the wake of Jeremiah Wright's appearances before the NAACP in Detroit and the National Press Club in Washington, Barack Obama has spoken out strongly against Wright. In reality, Obama had to do this in order to keep his viability as a candidate. No longer could he (or Wright) claim that the pastor's statements were taken out of context-or in sound bites. Both appearances have been shown in their entirety. Wright has confirmed the content of the sermons that we had previously witnessed in "sound bites". At this point, with Wright seemingly going on a speaking tour and a book coming out in October, Obama had to speak out....
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gary fouse
fousesquawk
http://garyfouse.blogspot.com
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"I can no more disown Rev Wright and my church than I can my own white grandmother who raised me."
"I was not present when these statements were made."
"Was I present in the pew when some of those statements that many would consider controversial were made? Yes."
"I was not present during those statements, Larry."
"I am outraged. I am saddened by the spectacle we saw yesterday."
(I am quoting these words by Barack Obama by memory, not from text. They may or may not be word for word, but I am confident that there is no distortion or taking out of context.)
Today, in the wake of Jeremiah Wright's appearances before the NAACP in Detroit and the National Press Club in Washington, Barack Obama has spoken out strongly against Wright. In reality, Obama had to do this in order to keep his viability as a candidate. No longer could he (or Wright) claim that the pastor's statements were taken out of context-or in sound bites. Both appearances have been shown in their entirety. Wright has confirmed the content of the sermons that we had previously witnessed in "sound bites". At this point, with Wright seemingly going on a speaking tour and a book coming out in October, Obama had to speak out....
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gary fouse
fousesquawk
http://garyfouse.blogspot.com
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A new Inside advantage poll gives Clinton a 46%-44% lead over Obama in North Carolina! He could be toast if he loses here. The demographics are so kind to him. |
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"Kos himself did do a mini-Op Chaos, he called on Dems to vote for Romney in Mich to give him the win and screw up the Rep primary."
-- IF that's true, and by that I mean IF the Dems actually listened to Kos, how does that relate to Pasadena Phil's charge that Dems crossed over to make sure McCain got the nomination? I don't read Kos but I have no doubt that he did this, although only because Obama's name wasn't on the Michigan ballot. He didn't call for the same tactic in Florida (where both Clinton and Obama were on the ballot) even though he knew the Dem primary vote wouldn't count. And there's no evidence of a coordinated effort in any other state, is there?
Oh, and by the way, the Dems voted 41% to 33% for McCain over Romney in Michigan. Seven percent of the voters were Dem crossovers; the average in every other state has been 3 percent.
"Had the primaries been closed, McAmnesty would have been done in the first few weeks."
-- Romney won 11 states; 3 of them had open primaries. Huckabee won 8 states; 4 of them had open primaries. Prior to Romney dropping out McCain won 15 states; 2 of them had open primaries. TWO! That includes Maryland (2 days before Romney dropped out) and Missouri, for a grand total of 95 delegates ... 8% of the total needed for nomination. Missouri is also the ONLY state where the vote of Dems, without the help of independents, MIGHT have been the deciding factor for McCain.
Of the 7 states McCain won between the dropout of Romney and the withdrawal of Huckabee, 4 of them had open primaries. Romney and Huckabee combined to win 7 open primary states; McCain won six. |
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Craig writes: "Who would ever have thought that the party of socialism, atheism, equality and secular humanism would be brought down by race, gender, religion and bigotry."
Are you kidding? How do you suppose that Rudy Giuliani got elected mayor of New York? It was because of the Democrat flirtation with the race-baiting and anti-Semitism of Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan.
What's happening in America now, is just what happened with Giuliani's candidacy in New York, scaled up to the national level.
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GregJones writes: "Hillary Clinton (who's husband was so loved as to have been called The First Black President) has alienated the black people of America to such a degree that there is no way blacks will support her EVER."
Cry me a river.
I should care about this why?
Blacks can always vote for McCain. He's honest.
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attributes too much to the depth of each others orchastrations.
It maybe that each is simply dealing with their own folly. |
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Rev Wright isn't the problem... he is the ANSWER!!
Many wondered - WHO is Barack and Michelle Obama??
20 years in a Black Liberation Theology Church headed by Rev Wright. A place where they married, baptized their kids, felt comfortable, a church "home".
Rev Wright has shown us WHO Barack and Michelle are - a BLT couple.
Barack and Michelle certainly heard the rants from Wright before. They read the Hamas rhetoric in their church bulletins. But it wasn't until Wright called Barack a "politician" did Obama become angry.
It wasn't until white folks (Iowa) began voting for a black man that Michelle became "proud of her country for the first time in her adult life".
If you held the BLT views - all of this makes sense. Question is - do voters want a BLT President?
I certainly hope not!! |
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Yes, they will remain friends. Wright needed to give a single performance to allow the public divorce Obama needed. It was discussed and reported a year ago. Wright told Obama that he would need to disown him inorder to win. Obama agreed that might be the path they have to take. Folks, I am sick and tired of this crap. We win on issues, not by playing the liberal's politics. |
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The Democratic Party has always been a coalition of various self-interested groups and lobbies:
The union group
The feminist group
The black group
The hispanic group
The gay group
The environmental group
The animal rights group
The anti-war group, etc., etc., etc.
Each of these groups has demanded, and got, a seat at the Party table and the Democrats have obliged. They have not only paid lip service to each group's cause - they have even embraced and applauded each group's cause.
The Hillary/Obama debacle has introduced another group. This group has never been embraced or applauded. In fact, this group has never even been acknowledged - until this primary. This group?
The racist group.
There are many Democrats who refuse to vote for a black candidate. They are withholding Obama's nomination from him because he is black. If Hillary wins the nomination, the racist group will quietly show the black group to the back door of the modern, racist, Democratic Party.
Who will be praising "Reverend" Wright when that happens? |
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"If Pastor Wright remains uncharacteristically silent -- with no angry words about the "anger" which Barack explicitly aimed at him -- then it's a sure sign that he's so deeply enraged by his former friend's betrayal that he wants, above all, to damage the Obama campaign."
How does this work then?
http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/obama.jeremiah.wright.2.711 811.html
"I don't think he had any intention to hurt Barack. He loves Barack," Pfleger said. "I think the pain and the moment took over."
I translate that into: "You just blew it, B.O." |
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"-- The wind must have shifted on that wildfire smoke. Was there a Democratic version of 'operation chaos' carried out in such secrecy as to be completely undetected?" Yes, it's called, "letting Democrats and Independents vote in Republican primaries". McCain never won a single primary with a majority of Republican voters (until after it was a foregon conclusion and even then, just barely) he won with Independents and Democrats combined with the minority of actual Republicans who still supported him. Had the primaries been closed, McAmnesty would have been done in the first few weeks. Oh, and Kos himself did do a mini-Op Chaos, he called on Dems to vote for Romney in Mich to give him the win and screw up the Rep primary. |
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"Dems nominate McCain for the GOP because there aren't enough Republicans to stop them"
-- The wind must have shifted on that wildfire smoke. Was there a Democratic version of 'operation chaos' carried out in such secrecy as to be completely undetected?
*Sigh* Another completely baseless assertion. |
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"Jeremiah Wright...He should be in prison instead of promoting a book."
-- This is breaking news! He's gone beyond being stupid and crazy and has actually committed a crime? Details! We need details! |
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I was reading some of these blogs and I was thinking to myself. Who ever would have thought that the leading issue of a campaign would be the first major black candidate's bigoted religious advisor.
I think the democratic party has to do alot of soul searching here. Race, gender and religion are like fire. They keep playing with it and it keeps burning them.
Who would ever have thought that the party of socialism, atheism, equality and secular humanism would be brought down by race, gender, religion and bigotry.
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Joe, I disagree. If Hillary can post low double digits in Indiana and win by a small margin in NC, I am willing to bet the DNC will help orchestrate a revote in FL and MI--it will be clear that Obama can't win the general.
To your point about a Greek Tragedy being played out before us, I agree. However, I think there is a lesson Obama is learning. He used Wright to further his political career in Illinois, and now his help, as well as his philosophies, are a hindrance to Obama’s reach for the presidency. I think his disassociation might bring on the furor of Wright and his ilk. We shall see how the coming weeks unfold.
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I have to say I almost feel sorry for Obama...almost. For Barack having his spiritual father attack him publically like this has a Greek tragic twist to it. Or maybe Pat Conroy.
In the short terms, Obama has the nomination and nothing Hillary can do will stop it (short of Obama imploding on his own). We are still a long way from November. |
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PPhil, forgive me, when you wrote the following statement: "Obama has presented black Americans a golden opportunity to throw these race-mongers to the curb once and for all and be like everyone else. Obama needs help from his friends NOW. Where are they? Cosby? Oprah? His rock 'n roll buddies? Hollywood buds? "Just say no to race mongers!".
I made the leap in order for Obama to offer anyone a golden opportunity he would need to offer something. What does Obama offer is my premise? I've found nothing substantive that he offers the country other than pandering rhetoric, an incongruent character, and inexperience.
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Here here!!! There is a real game afoot and it seems like everyone is missing it because of the petty partisanship. Dems nominate McCain for the GOP because there aren't enough Republicans to stop them, "Operation Chaos" where some of the few Republicans left re-register as Dems to boost Hillary, how can anybody even hope to think clearly? This is, and has long been, Obama's election to lose. There will be no forfeit victory for Shoeless John. Right now, I'm waiting to see what happens over the next couple of days in the black communities and among Obama's "friends". I'm hoping he comes out of this strong and for the right reasons. I'm not excited about an Obama presidency but I'm not afraid of it either considering the alternatives. If he can curb the race mongers, all Americans will be better for it. |
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The Rev. Wright ordeal is done...now back to the facts...The media diagnoses every demo....the old...young...rich....poor...educated....uneducated.... bowlers, bluecollar, beer drinkers.....And somehow ALWAYS finds a way to give the advantage to Clinton. But it's time for the media to finally raise the most incredible point in the whole campaign. HILLARY HAS LOST THE SUPPORT OF AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE !!!!!!!! Do you know how incredibly sad this fact is ? Hillary Clinton (who's husband was so loved as to have been called The First Black President) has alienated the black people of America to such a degree that there is no way blacks will support her EVER. This has nothing to do with Obama !!!! Keep in mind folks....Hillary started this campaign with 82% of the black support. But as blacks learned more about her (Goldwater Girl....Against Civil Rights Act 1964...etc.) combined with her LBJ statements and Bill's minimizing of Obama (fairy tale...Jesse won S.Carolina too...etc) blacks were shocked...then incredibly offended beyond recovery. WE FEEL DECEIVED !!!! We hope that our friends of all races understand how we as blacks feel. This is the main story that needs to get out to ALL superdelegates. People across America are contacting the DNC 202-863-8000 to let them (and superdelegates) know that Hillary ABSOLUTELY KILLED HER ELECTABILTY. The truth is the truth !
Greg Jones
Visit: http://www.Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organization...Dedicated To Truth) |
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Better check under your bed for gremlins. What conversation are you part of? |
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I hope "Black America" does the right thing and goes with Obama. If Obama keeps growing and evolving he may win as the only conservative running.
If BA goes the traditional route then it is up to the Repubs to put forth the First Black President.
Doesn't the Left ever learn that a radical no matter what color will never win? Every time the mask slips they get slaughtered. If only we had a conservative running we'd wipe them out at this point in time. |
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Hey Pasadena, you must know something about Obama that has eluded most of the bloggers on Townhall, please enlighten us, tell us what we do not know, who is this man Obama?
I've looked over his resume, I've read his votes in the U.S. Senate, I've listened to his speeches, and from my perspective he's much ado about nothing. Tell us where we can find the substantive information and resources that are not appearing in the national media, are visible on his resume or within the sources that aggregate voting records.
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In Obama's poor choice of either disavowing his mentor, friend, and much loved minister, or throwing his white ancestry out the window and typifying his grandmother as "typical white person". He made a huge error..I'll bet he wishes a million times a day, that's he'd flushed the honorable rev. in favor of good old, white granny..Now, neither blacks nor whites are fond of Obama...
I am proposing that ALL Americans REFUSE to buy the book being written by Jeremiah Wright...He should be in prison instead of promoting a book. |
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The real important factor is how black America responds. If the support shifts to Wright, then Obama's candidacy never had a chance but at least his campaign will always be remembered as a noble and honest campaign that gave black America to move forward. If black America rallies to Obama, and that is why it is so important for Bill Cosby, Oprah and so many others to step forward NOW and not later after this has settled, I can't see Obama losing the election. Sure, you could still attack him for his leftists politics but the fear that he is a surrogate for the hate-filled race mongers would no longer be rational. Obama has presented black Americans a golden opportunity to throw these race-mongers to the curb once and for all and be like everyone else. Obama needs help from his friends NOW. Where are they? Cosby? Oprah? His rock 'n roll buddies? Hollywood buds? "Just say no to race mongers!". |
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I guess the Kennedy's are feeling terrible for equating this drama-filled candidate with their brother/father (senator and carolyne, respectively) and falling for that whole marketed image of ....'am a uniter not a divider'. Americans should tith to Wright for bringing out the real Obama to the surface. Actually, we should all ask him to register at a furniture store and we contribute to furnishing his new 1.6M retirement home. I guess Obama's won't be sending in anymore money. LOL! |
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How to mentor a black president....the audacity of race superiority and keeping it real. He should also include conversations with Barack about what he would do when he became president and of course the juicy 'fall out' staged to give Barack an opportunity to still present himself as a uniter who will even 'dis' his mentor/uncle for sake of country. What a crock! These people and their drama should be sent back to inner city chicago where they can't live without self created drama. Can you imagine the drama that would follow Obama to the whitehouse? This is just a snippet of things to come...we haven't even explored his Kenyan family yet. All we know is that cousin Raila Odinga does not like losing elections and pays his supporters to kill other ethnic groups. Obama is the most foreign influenced, inexperienced and unqualifed man to ever ran for POTUS. Go home Obama and take Wright with you - that is enough! |
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I've had it up to my eyeballs with this whole mess. Will someone please make it stop? I can't take this all the way to nov. I'm going to start painting again. |
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Barack, Farakhan and himself at the million man march. Then he can say 'i said it before and I say it again, you can not change who you are'. It is impossible for Barack to have been mentored by Wright and gone to the million man march and not known that Wright holds Farakhan in high regard - whaaaaaa? Sorry Barack but the joke is on you, you did not expect your mentor to sit by while you falsely presented yourself as a uniter who believes ALL races are equal, did you? The Black Liberation Theology is clear about 'equal and seperate' because 'blacks are superior'. So close I tell you, so close! |
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If Wright were to retaliate, it would depend on how he retaliates to determine the villain. If Wright can strike back with letters written by Obama to him, notes/tapes from church meetings or videos displaying a closer relationship, then the question would become who is the real villain? As I posted on a previous blog, the national press has allowed Obama to evolve into the "anonymous" candidate. I think most people can agree we know more about Rev. Wright and where he stands, like him or not, than we know about Obama who is running for President. Will the real Obama please stand up? |
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