Me? Absolutely I would support the ticket. If you remember back, I said I would even support Mitt in the General even though I could not support him in the Primary - for numerous reasons.
I, my friend, am a pragmatist and believe strongly that what kills our conservative movement is that we have too few pragmatic-minded souls of late. Oh for the rebirth of the Buckley spirit!
But as a pragmatist I must honestly assess the fact that, for right or wrong, too many evangelicals would not be able to pull the lever with Mitt on the ticket. You have to have a deep understanding of the eschatological worries in this day and age as well as the large number of charlatan BS they have been fed since the 70s. Their deepest fear is that they will unwillingly take on the mark of the beast or, in other words, they will be abetting the rise of the anti-Christ.
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McTex,
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I agree with you about Huck. Selecting him for his VP would be a bad move – nearly as bad a move as it would be selecting Mitt. Just as you would stay home if Huck was the Veep – others would stay home if Mitt was the Veep. So McCain should pick someone that Mitt supporters and Huck supporters will both support. Get it?
So you have no problem voting for a Satanist or a Wiccan or Hare Krishna or a Jehovah’s Witness or an Aryan as long as they have never broken the law and have good intentions?
Wow!
So you don’t care about the ideas people hold – just their proposals and known behavior?
Wow!
Well then please feel free to call me a bigot because I actually discriminate against people based on the ideas they hold dear. That is why I don’t vote for democrats.
And if you want me to stop calling you dumb then please stop posting dumb comments. Until then if the shoe fits…
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I'm just wondering: Do you make this up as you go along, or do you consult with your preacher first?
Just wondering.
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Yeah I read Rush’s comments re. that on his website. Made me want to puke. So I guess he should now attack Reagan for all the times he thanked Indies and Dems who voted for him too?
I agree with you – Rush has been stupid. Almost too stupid - it’s as if he's intentionally doing and saying all of these idiotic things.
Did you know that W. F. Buckley supported McCain? Mac was the only candidate that Buckley gave money to and did so twice (even after Mac had to fire 2/3rds of his staff last July). So a part (a very small part) of me wonders if Buckley, whom Rush considered to be his second father, said look you are going to have to take one for the team this time. Our only chance of beating back the fascists is if we win the Indies back and frankly you are a boogie man to them.
Rush has already hinted that this may be his motive. And we all know how Rush likes to play his practical jokes – remember in ‘92 when he told his audience he would be voting for Bill Clinton?
At the same time, immigration has really exposed the rise of John Birchers in our movement in the last decade. And sadly too many conservatives have been drinking from that water.
It is time for a new Buckley to arise to put them back in their crypts. I don’t think McCain can do this but his leadership as President can help. It needs to be an intellectual who is intimately aware of the meaning of conservative and who is also highly adept in the art of rhetoric and persuasion.
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has a Mormon problem to become Veep, then Huck has a baptist problem.
Last time we had to baptists in office, it was a total waste of 8 years. Clinton/gore anyone?
Religion should not play into who gets into the top job or not. Qualifications, performance, experience, knowledge. That's what's important to us thinkers out here in the real world. Religion, or lack of it, should not play into the choice of who should be veep. McCain and Romney may not be buddies who camp and fish togther, but they don't have to be. Their running a country, not a country club. Having a different point of view, and the ability to accept the final decision is from the top, is some thing Romney can do very well. History is on Romney's side to be picked. |
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Ticket. He will NOT carry the west, north and East. Period. And, if he is anywhere near the veep slot, I and others will vote for the democrate. That's how much we don't trust huck.
And mc Tex, I have no problem with any of those religions in office. My qustions is are they honorable people with good intentions? Huck does not fit into that box.
Freedom of religon is a pesky road, dontcha think?
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“He will help McCain with fundraising, the economy, healthcare, and more. He was the most competent man on either side. McCain would be a fool to deny him.”
Wow you are batting 1 for 6. The only thing you have stated correctly so far is fundraising. However Romney doesn’t have to be on the ticket to get the Mormons to open up their wallets. He can simply use his donor lists and remind them that the Bishop needs them to support the Mac. That should be sufficient.
On the economy exit polls showed McCain was viewed stronger than Mitt by Republicans. Mitt's support of socialist remedies in MI, IO, and FL didn't really help him with fiscal cons too much.
And on health care Mitt was an embarrassment with his Hillary-lite Massachusetts universal coverage plan.
And compotent? Give me a break. Huckabee had one-tenth the resources that Mitt had and still won more states. Mitt was outspending McCain 4 to 1 and still went down in flames. It wasn’t very competent of him to say the surge was ‘apparently’ working or to call for secret timetables for withdrawal nor was it competent to pander to the Birchers on every issue in this race.
“Karl Rove and other GOP top guns are trying to tell him. Will he listen?”
Actually Rove denied that. What he said that he stated to Novak was that he hears Mitt’s name come up a lot. And I am sure he does – his followers were uniquely ‘devoted’.
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“the evangelical vote was split evenly between Romney and Huckabee”
Not true. Huck won the largest share but McCain also won sizeable numbers and depending upon the state so did Fred and Rudy.
However you miss my point. Sure some evangelicals voted for Romney. But others would under no circumstances vote for a Mormon. That means that if Romney won the nomination or was added to the ticket a large % would either vote Dem, Independent or stay home.
“Sure there are still some holdouts who will use religion in voting, but not enough to matter.”
Enough to end Romney’s campaign.
“By the time he dropped out, he had won the hearts of conservatives, which McCain desperately needs.”
Again that is false. You really should read some exit polls. Many conservatives despised Romney and saw him as the Republican John Kerry. Romney was rightly concluded as being a panderer as all of the post-drop out analysis indicated.
Romney was able to win a majority of conservatives but just a slight one. McCain and Huckabee were always close behind in their share of very conservative support and McCain tended to win the leans conservative vote.
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"You surley can't think that starting off with insults will endear us to you? If anyone is dumb, it's YOU, my friend."
Why would I want to endear myself to a bigot?
"Anyone who won't vote for a very qualified person, because of their religion, a bigot."
So by that premise you would vote for a Muslim?
How about a Wickan?
How about an atheist?
How about a Scientologist?
Wait - let me pop some popcorn before you answer. This is gonna be good... |
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You don't think that the democrates are not running rich and pamapered candidates? Obama and hillary live a heck of a lot better on my nickle than I do. I'd rather have a BUSINESS MAN who knows the ECONOMY. than someone one who has no clue. Mitt made his money the old fashoned way. He earned it. Dad was upper middle class, but in a tradition you might not understand, he taught his son to work for what he has. Mitt is teaching his sons/grandsons the same thing. There's a Romney living nearby me. I know the neighborhood he lives in, and it's far from the conforts that Obama or hillary has. Your problem is that Mitt is LDS. That's it. If he were a rich succssful Baptist preacher, you'd be all over him like a wet blanket.
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use the "they started it first" defense of dems and moderates who voted for Mc and who Mc acknowledged in his victory speech. I was so upset I was yelling at the radio. The dems and moderates or indes who voted for Mc did so because they actually believe he would make a good president, just like republicans who are voting for Hussein. I am not surprised at Rush's stupidity, after what he did to Mc, he lost all respect with me and he is just like Dobson. Dobson wrote the stupid letter stating publicly he would never vote for Mc and then he later explained it was his PRIVATE choice leading to the question; why don't you keep you private choices, private, Mr. family values Psychologist who tried to peddle the unqualified Miers to us by admitting Bush and he had an illegal private conversation. I think these people get turned on by Hillary and want her to be president so that they can keep themselves relevant within the republican party politics - news flash! They became irrelevant when we the rational republicans picked the next president. I can't wait to hear what they say when Mc becomes president - the dems made him president? |
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Let's review, Mitt represents the status quo of a rich republican businessman running for office just like his daddy did. Talk about the dems having a field day with "big business tax cuts and the rich" during this election! Mc is smarter than that and he would be better served with a person who can not be directly linked to Bush or one who does not remind voters about big business and rich republicans who support big business while ignoring the poor.......that is a bad joke, but I am not laughing and ALL people who support Mc's commander in chief qualifications would think again if the blunders with a Mitt VP injecting mormonism and double speak and figurative campaign issues. Also, Mc does not trust Mitt because he really wants to be president and his negative tactics would just make the campaign waaaay tooo negative. I say pick a VP who is a governor without as much baggage. |
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Texas in not going blue in the general election. Did anyone notice the silent treatment Barak got when he bad mouthed Mc as having the same failed policies of Bush (clearly not knowing his audience). Ohio on the other hand is the streaky state that can go either way - so if a superdelegate wants to decide on electability, which is the main objective of any politically savy person, TX win is less relevant and the split decision by voters makes it even more confusing to discuss i.e. caucases and primary splitting for Hussein and Hillary, respectively. However, "as OH goes, so does the nation", this is the clencher and Hussein knows it! Based on the primaries Hussein would not win either FL or OH and who ever got elected into the whitehouse without either both of one of these two states? aaaahhhhh Goodbye Hussein, you came so close! Michelle will begin her "america is mean" research paper part II. |
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That the evangelical vote was split evenly between Romney and Huckabee. (And for the life of me, I can't reason why anyone would vote for Huck, evangelical or not.)
Sure there are still some holdouts who will use religion in voting, but not enough to matter. Romney is by far the best man McCain can choose at this point. By the time he dropped out, he had won the hearts of conservatives, which McCain desperately needs. He will help McCain with fundraising, the economy, healthcare, and more. He was the most competent man on either side. McCain would be a fool to deny him.
If he truly wants to win the WOT, then he'd better get real about the fact that the best (and possibly only) way for him to win is with Romney at his side.
Karl Rove and other GOP top guns are trying to tell him. Will he listen? |
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That McTex dropped out of the same schools that huckleberry (now gonzo and back in Little rock panhandling at walmart)did. |
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Anyone who won't vote for a very qualified person, because of their religion, a bigot. That includes you, my friend. I have no problem with voting for the cultists baptist, if they are a good and qualfied man/woman. (see? I used your words and it it fits!)
We all should work to live our lives as well and full and good as the Romney family has.
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You surley can't think that starting off with insults will endear us to you? If anyone is dumb, it's YOU, my friend.
McCain/Romney 08 |
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This is what I wrote:
"It encourages personal dishonesty and political corruption. Clearly it is immoral."
You apparently ignored that part.
Oops.
Look, what Rush did was immoral and beneath us. You can defend him till your blue in the face. You obviously worship the man so no one should be shocked. |
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"Who cares if the 'evangalicals' are turned off? Big whoop. McCain can do without the southern bigots. but he cannot do it without the East, North and West, which Romeny will deliver."
You better care if you want the Republicans to beat the democrats in November. They can only do so if evangelicals continue to show up in large numbers - which is about one fifth of the Party’s base.
And you are calling all evangelicals - one fifth of the base - bigots? You do realize that you just attacked a whole group of people based on your emotional beliefs? You do realize that reveals who the real bigot is, don't you? And the evangelicals are not only in the South. They are in Ohio and Arizona and every state in the Union.
"Sorry to diaagree, but Romney is the best of the best. AND he still had more delegates than Huckabee, even though huckabee stayed in longer! go figure."
Your opinion is just your opinion. It is not, unfortunately for you, shared by most Americans. It was not even shared by most Republicans.
You must stop thinking like a partisan and start thinking like a political strategist. Which 'legitimate' Republican would most help McCain win the election is the only question that matters.
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Immoral....deliberately violating accepted principles of right and wrong
base: not adhering to ethical or moral principles; "base and unpatriotic motives"; "a base, degrading way of life"; "cheating is dishonorable"; "they considered colonialism immoral"; "unethical practices in handling public funds"
morally unprincipled; "immoral behavior"
bad: characterized by wickedness or immorality; "led a very bad life"
depraved: marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good; "depraved criminals"; "a perverted sense of loyalty"; "the reprobate conduct of a gambling aristocrat"
Morality refers to the concept of human ethics which pertains to matters of right and wrong -- also referred to as "good and evil" -- used within three contexts: individual conscience; systems of principles and judgments -- sometimes called moral values --shared within a cultural, religious ...
with low moral standards, especially relating to sexual behavior ( archaic )"
Nope, still not immoral! As I said, maybe unethical, but not immoral. Oh and thanks on the
'consistency' issue, at least I'm not consistently wrong like you!
I will however give you props on one item. Rush is never 100% right, but he is 98.7% right! So who's your conservative pick for POTUS?
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Who cares if the 'evangalicals' are turned off? Big whoop. McCain can do without the southern bigots. but he cannot do it without the East, North and West, which Romeny will deliver.
Sorry to diaagree, but Romney is the best of the best. AND he still had more delegates than Huckabee, even though huckabee stayed in longer! go figure. |
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for RECREATE 68', these nuts are already here, attempting to get permits, interrupting city counsel meetings, once the Clintons try to steal the convention, this mob will go crazy, 1968 all over again, and America can see these liberal Fascists in full bloom, i can't wait, i'm absolutely giddy over the prospect. |
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Should read:
Maybe even an Italian with a very Italian name could hurt the Democrats in many blue states especially if that Italian is a strong Catholic. |
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No Queen that would not be smart. McCain should not pick a Mormon for his VP. McCain should not pick someone who would turn off evangelicals for the same reason he should not pick an evangelical who would infuriate fiscal conservatives like Huckabee.
McCain should pick someone who appeals to all three branches of conservatism. Furthermore, Romney's liberal record and rhetoric and subsequent flip-flopping would give the left way too much ammo.
I think McCain should pick someone who diminishes Obama's strongest positive which is his race. People will vote for Obama merely because he is black. But if McCain also had a black or Latino as his VP this would counter balance that to a degree.
Maybe even an Italian with a very Italian name could hurt the Democrats in many blue states especially if that Democrat is a strong Catholic. |
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immoral: violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.
It encourages personal dishonesty and political corruption. Clearly it is immoral.
And just because Rush does something too does not mean that a previous wrong is now right.
Con I must congratulate you on the consistency of your convictions – you almost always take the sophist perspective.
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We'd be slapping Mitt on the back for securing the CINC nom. They voted in our elections, so why not toss theirs into turmoil?
McCain would be smart, and appease the west and the east and north with Romney pick for veep.
McCain/Romney 08.
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Why does a state hold an OPEN election?
Based on your answer to the above question, do you think OPEN elections are a good idea?
Will these states change their election process based on what happened in Texas? |
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No it's not immoral. Some may consider it unethical, but it's not immoral. Heck, even Rush did the same thing. |
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"Explain any and all the immoral tactics that went into todays voting. I'm betting that you can't.”
My father always said never answer a question with a question but today I am going to.
Are you saying that you see nothing immoral in Kos telling his liberal fascists to go out and vote for the weakest candidate in Michigan so as to help him win the nomination and thus deliver the election to the Democrats?
If you are saying that you find nothing immoral about that then I will answer your question.
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"Uh huh. How 'bout you save the nutty tinfoil hat conspiracies for the Left?”
So you don’t even want to know why I think I can prove it? Lmao
You just assume I am promoting a conspiracy? In the first place I am not arguing that Romney wouldn’t have won MI or that Democrats even helped him win. I am arguing that I think there is evidence that Kos caused democrats to help him win.
“When John McCain dooms the GOP in November, I hope to hear some "mea culpas" from McTex. Hey, at least a Mormon won't win, right McTex?”
As a political scientist I can assure you that Romney would have lost 40 states.
Rudy and McCain were/are the only two candidates that could defeat the democrats in this election cycle. And all your wishing it weren’t so is nothing more than irrational fantasies which is truly unbecoming of a 'so-called' conservative.
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We conservatives are not happy with McCain and I'm pretty sure he knows it!
BUT.... he is the lesser of the two evils. Like it or not. |
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If I understand your post correctly (and please correct me if I am wrong), if I hold my nose and vote for McCain in November (even though I despise the man) I am no longer a true conservative?
If THAT is what you are saying, then the liberals, moderates, independents have WON and have succeeded at dividing conservatives into 2 camps: (1) The Hold-Your-Nose-and-Vote-to-Win conservatives; and (2) The ANYONE-But-McCain conservatives.
If you are correct, there is NO WAY a Conservative Party will be born from this election. Especially if the Camp 2 conservatives insist on telling the Camp 1 conservatives they are not "true" conservatives.
For THIS Conservative, it is more important to keep ultra-liberals out of office than to elect the perfect conservative candidate. McCain may or may not be alot of things, but he is NOT worse than Hillary/Obama. To deny that is folly.
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LOL, great one...
So it would be the same with Obama.
Honey shut up, your making me look like a fool! |
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I'm not happy w/ the selection as well...my Candidate stepped aside a couple of primaries ago & I respect his selfless decission.
We have what we have & we must fight the George Soros backed socialist party as best we can.
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Has anyone else noticed the parallels between the the Clintons & the Obamas? They're both socialist couples with obnoxious wives! |
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I just wonder, do we have enough SS agents to keep Bill out of the news & trouble.
Now that would be blast watching this one.
BILL!!!!! stop it, your making look like a fool! |
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The GOP finds itself in this position because of the so-called "moderates". After all, it was the "moderates" and "independents" in New Hampshire that revived McCain's sinking campaign in the early primary while Romney and Huch fought over the conservative vote. This allowed moderate McCain to take center stage while the conservatives gobbled each other up.
Now, we are left with a moderate GOP nominee who only inspires moderates and independents -- two highly UNRELIABLE camps when it comes to general elections.
Thus, the GOP is in a VERY weak position going into the general election. McCain simply CANNOT win against Obama.
With McCain as the nominee, Republicans are forced to lower themselves to Democratic strategies (i.e., "crossing over") to improve McCain's chances. It is a risky game and can easily backfire.
If McCain were a strong candidate, there would be NO need for Republicans to cross over now.
So, this is what happens when "moderates" are permitted to control the outcome. We are left with a moderate candidate who has moderate appeal, a moderate record, and moderate chances of success. I fully expect moderate results. |
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See, JSmith just proved my point.
God this is getting so damn good. |
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It worked! Conservatives outwitted the Libs again! |
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WE'RE MAVERICKS...WE JUST REACHED ACROSS THE AISLE & VOTED WITH YOU (libs) FOR JUST ONE DAY!!!HAHAHAHA |
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For AMERICA's Future.
Not about a liberal socialist woman, whole her life ambition was to be a president, or another dangerous socialist radical who will change the face of this country for ever.
The point is, these people have to be exposed, and the Republican party are too timid for the task.
Therefore, be patient and let the Democrats show how, this election, is all about them, power!
I, personally, am too concerned for the Supreme Court judges, and the war on terror and DO not trust the Democrats on these issues, and one more, they will take our second amendmend right, at their first chance.
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you Rush skeptics are listening
to him today, do not insult me
as a robot, I do listen with
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I'm laughing hysterically as well... |
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So, talk radio buffoons like Rush and Hugh and Laura claim that their listeners are not mindless robots and can think for themselves.
And then they turn around and say people went and voted based on what Rush said - are they now confirming that talk radio listeners are mindless robots?
Many posters here are mindless robots who dare not even dream about upsetting Rush, but c'mon - be like Savage - think for yourselves.. |
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"Her candidacy is the best way to motivate conservatives to vote McCain."
You have it wrong. Delete the word 'conservative' then replace with the word 'republican'. No matter who wins in November, Conservatives are screwed! |
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lilly wrote:
"You see Obama's followers as a cult. Then you look at the folks who mechanically vote as instructed by a talk radio host, whose personality influences them on a daily basis, rather than studying the issues and using their powers of reasoning to choose a candidate wisely, and don't see them as a cult."
I guess you failed your logic class in college. Nowhere in my posting did I state that I didn't see Limbaugh's listeners as a cult. In fact I do consider many of them to be cultish in their adoration of him. Of course many others of his listeners are not cultish (just as many of Obama's supporters are not cultish). But it is the cult-like ones who are relevant in this particular discussion, in both cases.
For myself, I find Rush to be an entertaining and clever radio show talk host, although sometimes he gets a bit boring when he goes on and on about a some topic. I do think he is expert at getting under the skins of liberals. I think he intentionally irritated them by recommending that Republicans vote for Hillary, and I think that deliberate irritation is part of his plan to exacerbate tensions within the Democratic Party. |
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According to Dallas newspapers, 35% of the democratic vote was from Repubicans. If so, it is clear that they had the clout to change the election.
The question is a) Did Hillary get more votes than might be expected from Republicans and b) If so, were they talk show listeners?
I suspect that at least half of Hillary's lead was due to the talk shows. I believe polls have shown that 33% of Republicans do listen to talk radio frequently...so it is a valid question.
We won't know unless pollsters asked the right questions.
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Rush say's a few words and look at the LIB's on this website go NUTS!
I need a bigger bowel of popcorn to watch this all. |
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I have no idea what a "moderate" Republican is, well other than a confused "can't we all get along" ninny OR a shill for the Chamber of Commerce.
McCain is the least ideologically flaw? Earth to Brob: McCain does not have an ideology. His congnitive processes are purely ruled by subjective knee jerk impressions; colored by his populist fear of being "corrupted" and how important it is to be "a great man".
Indeed, if you voted for him over Iraq, then apparently you voted for him because he is lieing to you - having clearly stated that WE are staying, no matter what.
I think your loyality is more based on some visceral dislike of Bush than any coherent world view.
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(For Republicans that is.)
1) Bleed the Democrat machine in the Primary and let them chew each other up. (Lots of discussion on this one.)
2) Hillary is easier to beat. At least that's what last week's head-to-head showed. According to Medved, McCain beat Clinton by a wide margin, but was barely ahead of Obama. Seems backwards to me, but those are the numbers.
3) If worse comes to worse and a Democrat wins the general election, who will do the least damage to the country? Hillary will be a terrible president, but Barak would be a monster.
The only downside is if you see Clinton beating McCain, even though McCain would have beaten Obama. What kind of tea leaves leave that pattern? |
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The ONLY way McCain can possibly win in Nov. is if Hillary is the Dem nominee. If you haven't realized that by now, you are a lost cause.
Thus, if Republicans really want to win this election -- and we simply CANNOT afford to lose -- we need to actively support Hillary in the remaining primaries. Sell your souls, if that's what it comes to!
NOTHING unites the GOP more than our hatred for Clintons and our absolute determination to never go THERE again. To McCain, Hillary winning the Dem nomination would be a Godsend. Her candidacy is the best way to motivate conservatives to vote McCain. |
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How could he possibly fail to defeat Hillary Clinton?
Hillary's the only candidate whose temperament is even more sour than McCain's. McCain stands no chance against Barack "Mr Sunshine" Obama. Just picture the debate with the old, bitter white guy scowling while the 1st black president (sorry, Bill) charms.
So why would Hillary be able to beat McCain?
I don't know, maybe:
1. Hillary remained married to her philandering husband while McCain abandoned his disabled wife.
2. Hillary's offering lots of "free" government stuff while McCain's offering to take it away. Guess which wins more independents?
3. Hillary's liberal base is far more likely to support her than McCain's base is to support him, even given how much conservatives hate Hillary. This is because McCain hates conservatives and conservatives know it.
4. The Left Wing Media will support "Weasel Talk" Hillary over "Straight Talk" McCain. They will suddenly discover McCain's "problematic" temper, his authoritarian streak, his personal issues, etc.
The problem isn't with conservatives. It's with the Republican Party, and with the GOP jersey-wavers like Hugh who continually favor power over principle and thereby elevate RINOs. |
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So be it if Republicans did to them what they did to us in resulting in us being stuck with McCain, and remember nice guys finish last. Hillary is beatable. |
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So I can influence the very important runoffs.
I happen to know a lot of my neighbors voted for HRC just to make a mess.
They see HRC as a fluff candidate but they see BHO as a positive hazard in comparision. |
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Obama said he would not use a negative campaign and he has kept his word. That's unfortunate, because if he hadn't been so chivalrous he might have raised some questions about the exact nature of H's White House "experience". While her husband was downstairs in the Oval Office "experiencing" the possibilities of Monica + cigar, what exactly was Hillary's experience? Was she upstairs on the red phone running the country, all on the quiet? I doubt it. And how about the "high-level meetings" she claims to have attended which a NYT article said she couldn't have been in because she didn't have the security clearance? Obama is now screwed because he either a) leaves the high road, in which case he will no longer be Obama, or b) says "No more Mr Nice Guy".
I am amazed at the reaction to Hillary's kitchen sink approach. My reaction was that she had departed so far from political decency that I would not now vote for her even if withholding my vote meant I had to leave the country, change my citizenship, and assume a new identity. There is such a thing as ethics, and that matters to me. But people seem to be applauding her. The white trash women see H's sneering, shrewish, cobra-like attack ("All he has is a SPEECH he made") as evidence that she is a good fighter. The right-wingers regard her as some kind of female Boxer Chick and cheer her on accordingly as they open another beer. Obama's political integrity is perceived as weakness. God help us all. |
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transfixed dwell on Rush Limbaugh's input.
Nothing said on Air America garners a word.
No focus on the nonsense spewed regularly from Ed Schultz.
Nary a nod to those helluva-comments on HuffPost.
MediaMatters and their bilge? Nope.
DAILY KOS...........silence from the "Wise One".
Do any "pearls of wisdom" emanating from Leftist sources, Liberal pipelines "bewilder" the vastly bewilderable Pathetic Liberal. Nope-----never.
But he'll hang on words spoken by Rush Limbaugh with the regularity of a Kaopectate-induced Kant-kid.
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What kind of zombie will Hillary be? A slow moving George Romero zombie, or one of those fast moving 24 Days After zombies?
All I know from watching zombie movie defense tactics is Obama needs to aim for her head. |
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You see Obama's followers as a cult. Then you look at the folks who mechanically vote as instructed by a talk radio host, whose personality influences them on a daily basis, rather than studying the issues and using their powers of reasoning to choose a candidate wisely, and don't see them as a cult. |
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All on this site are "warmed" over the apparent ability of lilly to stick to the theme of the thread.
Hope springs eternal.
And, such substantive contribution... |
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Some of us think that an election in our nation is more than an episode of Roller Derby. You show yourself clearly. I bet you like dog-fights too. |
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It's not unusual for Rush Limbaugh to have delusions of grandeur or for Bill O'Reilly to say something stupid. I heard that 1/3 of the Texas vote was Hispanic, which would be for Hillary, and as for the rest there must be plenty of the same sort in Texas that voted for her in Ohio such as gum-chewing waitresses, frustrated wives who want to get even with their husbands, and so on. I am wondering how Limbaugh would know, anyway, by remote control, which Democrat ballots were taken by Republican Robots in answer to his call. |
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... it won't be because of the piddly 10% of the vote that she received from GOPers crossing over to keep the Dem's process going.
It'll be because of the intense bias in the media, the Clinton machine and most importantly, the weakness of John McCain as a candidate.
I don't really see the problem with this, after all. The Dem's did the exact same thing in our early primaries and that is how we got McCain as our nominee! |
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If anything was assured in last evening's results it is this:
1.) The "Blame-America-First" Party has just assured the heat will be turned up in these next SIX WEEKS before Pennsylvania. The woman who ran with the "red phone" (her own experience isolated to the handing of that phone to her husband) ad is now coming into her true element.
The fur is gonna fly
2.) The incredible wackiness in the Texas caucus should have brought about MASSIVE catterwaul from Dems.
Yet, it has not happened.
It clearly shows how inconsistent they are with regard to voting "inefficiencies" and highly questionable events. What a joke. |
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..why Rush would snicker at that "Curious George" reference. And then act as though he didn't know who "Curious George" was.
As I think about it, maybe there was an element of "strategic voting" from crossover Reeps seeking to make mischief. Certainly, as Hugh noted in another thread, there was a racial component to the HRC vote in OH. Of course, race is just part of the equation, Reeps or no Reeps, regardless of what we are willing to acknowledge to ourselves and others. I imagine the "crossover mischief" vote was not a decisive factor. Most crossovers were Ohioans who simply wanted to get in on the excitement and have a say in things. Hopefully they'll stick around in November, even as Rush's platoons boomerang back to the Republican camp. |
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Simple facts, if the Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Ingram's, Oreilly's really believe that the power they have has affected the outcome of last nights elections then first of all it goes to show what type of patriots they are all this power/all of their knowledge could not get them a better conservative candidate, then what makes you think conservatives are listening to them now.
It is strange the way America thinks. They uphold the same things that they reject. |
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McCain wins in Ohio, wins in Texas - win- win win
How on earth did he do it? Commie plot, democrat cross over, main stream media, or, oh lets say voter fraud. McCain won because Republicans voted for him and this Republican will vote for again in the general election. |
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I don't know why y'all're getting all worked up over McCain. Does anyone know where that guy stands? I don't! He voted against Bush's 2001 and 2003 on the specious pretext that you shouldn't cut taxes when taking a nation to war. But now he supports them and wants the war to continue for 100 years! He pretended to be against simulated drowning torture, whining that these violated the Geneva Conventions and the international ban on torture, and that the U.S. Constitution supposedly states that we actually have to abide by the treatises and international agreements we sign. But we know the U.S. is entitled to protect its own by whatever means necessary. Let the U.N. whine at us, we don't care! And now, after giving aid and comfort to the enemy, that flip-flopper he pretends he's all tough and, finally, supports torture. He accuses Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell as "agents of intolerance." Then there was that recent conversion to becoming a Baptist, which was pretty unconvincing too.
Let me blunt: We need those tax cuts to be made permanent to stimulate our economy! We need harsher discrimination against homosexuals; the *only* thing to prevent their claiming a supposed equal right to protect under the law (pffff!) is a constitution ban on gay marriage to defend our Christian values. And we need the war in Iraq to continue, which has only cost a couple trillion and is helping our economy immensely right now.
In short, my friends, we must find a viable 3rd party candidate: the Republican party is not listening any more, and McCain is a bleeding heart liberal in sheep's clothing. |
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Rush did monologues about supporting Hillary in the same joking tone he's used for the Environmental Wacko Football Picks, and appointing Beau Snerdley his Certified Obama Criticizer. Any fan of his show knows its as bogus as his 1992 one-hour endorsement of Bill Clinton.
Laura Ingraham was doing voter counseling of callers as they drove to the polls, urging them to actually pull the lever.
Get real. Rush is doing entertainment radio. He really doesn't support anybody in this race because he remains a conservative first and a Republican a dwindling second. |
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pick B. Hussein as Veep. Why? because he has a problem with seniors, hispanics, working class americans and military. She needs someone who can help her in these categories in the general election. I have always believed that when Gore picked Liberman, it cost him TN. And if he had won TN (his home state where his father was also a senator), he would not have needed FL and demanded a recount leading to political suicide. I guess he is wishing he could have picked a different VP and with his Nobel Prize and Oscar wins with regard to "global warming" and fresh out of talking to the United Nations about environment and the role of US in the world at the Indonesian conference.....his nomination and election this fall would have been a sure deal. Hillary knows how to win or at least she will not make the mistake of picking a vice president who only offers speeches without specific workable solutions.....she knows when americans are asked to pick, they will pick McCain. She needs a Veep who will make it harder to pick McCain and his Veep, not one who will make it easier - and B.Hussein makes it easier. FYI - we haven't even heard much about his buddy who is on trial for corruption (giving money to Hussein's campaign and fund raising for him) while Obama tells americans he is all about transparecy and changing govt. SERIOUSLY!!! |
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in OH and TX. If you look at other primaries Obamacan's (republicans voting for Obama) and Hillarycan's (republicans voting for Hillary) have not changed much. The important information is that MORE DEMOCRATS, MODERATES AND INDEPENDENTS vote for McCain than for either candidate - and that is the REAL story. Does any RATIONAL american think voters in the red states will turn blue for Hill or Hussein? I did not think so either. Vote american pride, vote McCain. |
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I'm personally indifferent as to whether Rush is helping or hurting either of the Democratic candidates. But I do think people are missing an important aspect of Rush's strategy of encouraging votes for Hillary in Texas and Ohio.
Part of it is obvious to everyone: Rush wants Hillary to stay in the race so that she and Obama can keep attacking and tearing each other (and the Democratic Party) apart.
But beyond that is the cult-like enthusiasm of many of Obama's followers. They now must deal with the notion that Republicans, following Rush's marching orders, have interfered with the Democratic primaries and are helping Hillary to steal the nomination from their beloved Barack Obama! Furthermore, Republicans are obviously engaging in this sabatoge because they know that Hillary is the weaker candidate against McCain!
The truth or falsity of this proposition is irrelevant. Does Rush really wield that kind of power? Democrats are convinced he does. Is Hillary complicit in this scheme? Well, she hasn't denounced Limbaugh, and she is pretending that her victories represent the will of the Democratic voters, and that Republican crossovers were not responsible. Hence she must secretly be in on it! Now Obama's followers will be doubly enraged at the injustice being done to their candidate and at the duplicity of Hillary Clinton.
This widens the schism within the Democratic Party and makes reconciliation that much less likely. The bloodletting in the coming months could get messier than anyone ever anticipated.
My prediction is that Rush will downplay his role in Hillary's victories, precisely because he knows that doing so will make Obama's followers even more suspicious and even more certain that Rush is trying to hide something. |
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Tonight proves that Obama can't quite close the deal -- this was his decisive moment, and it did not get decided. With the Democrats bizzare delegate apportionment rules, it just gets tighter for him from here -- she'll shave a little more off his small and nondispositive delegate tally, with Supers and a Florida/Michigan redux -- which will be decisive --lurking on the horizon.
In the game of chicken to be played out between Obama and Hillary before they get to Denver, he'll be the one to yank the wheel. The most important fact is not that he's black -- that's second-most important --, but that he's not yet 50. He'll see the light, when older and wiser Democrats show it to him in June: he can indeed be president -- next. First he has to be Vice-President. Being Hillary's veep will erase his two major negatives: lack of experience generally, and lack of foreign policy expertise in particular. Obama 2012 or Obama 2016 will look like a gimme. They're going to link arms. Its clearly being set up with all the kissy-face they do. Hillary talked tonight not about competing with him, not about beating him, not about his being a naif, but rather about "continuing their dialogue on the most important issues facing the country." They are just "dialoguing." Joining forces is a win-win for each of them.
Pray for no recession and no bad month in Iraq -- if either happens, its going to be a 350 electoral vote massacre. Pull the lever for McCain anyway -- cancel some hippie's vote, and get into office every conservative legislator possible -- we're gonna' need them like never before. |
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Hugh writes: "A month ago talk radio was dead. Now it has resurrected Hillary?"
The first is true. Only one listening to talk radio are the dead-enders. The idea that Rush resurrected HRC is about the level of self-involvement we've come to expect from you guys.
HRC won because Latinos and Grandma looked into the deep--voyaging across the electoral battlefield with Captain Obama--and decided we better think about it some more. Sigh. Oh well. On to WY, MS, and PA. Democracy is a good thing. |
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MaryStella, you are, of course, correct. However, because you consider the strategies and agree with people like Rush and Laura I., you will be labeled a "robot" and reviled because you listen to a knowledge-charged medium like radio, as witnessed by some insulting entries among these comments. Good ideas shared among political allies of like mind (ie, you, me, Rush, Laura, etc) are the only hope we have for retaking our country back from the swamp, or at least have fun trying. Lackluster, soulless "independents," liberals, and others who dishonor the Constitution and its wondrous legacy are simply speed bumps that must be approached with caution, but traversed and left behind all the same. Whether they throw out insults and denigrate people who entertain us, be they Rush, Lucy and Ricky Ricardo, or Mo, Curly, and Larry we should care not. Stay the course, MaryStella, ignore the weak minded and use your clearly superior intellect to guide you (as do I). |
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Huck, even afte staying on about a month longer than Mitt, still GOT LESS DELEGATES than Mitt! Oh, it's soooo sweet that the God cadidate got snookered! I guess he'll have to get a real job to pay that mortgage, now won't he? |
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Huckleberry is now offically washed up. He STILL got less delegates than Mitt, even though Mitt dropped out a month ago. I wonder where he'll register this time? Walmart?
Mike Reagan, amoung others, have been touting Mitt as the Veep nom. Music to my ears! |
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As a famous man once said.... "there you go again".
"Do we want to justify their immoral tactics?"
Explain any and all the immoral tactics that went into todays voting.
I'm betting that you can't. |
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"I think I can prove Kos had an affect on Michigan and helped Mitt win."
Uh huh. How 'bout you save the nutty tinfoil hat conspiracies for the Left?
When John McCain dooms the GOP in November, I hope to hear some "mea culpas" from McTex. Hey, at least a Mormon won't win, right McTex? |
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the republican primary but now you are arguing they influenced democrats? SERIOUSLY!!!! no wonder these people get their egos ballooning out of control. Americans in both parties are smart when it comes to picking a president. Incase nobody has noticed - in both parties, voters are going for electability. Given Obama's close association with the "black power" leaders and his lack of experience on ALL COUNTS, that is why he lost tonight and why he would loose in a general election. At least with Hillary, the base will remain loyal, with Obama the kids get motivated but the older voters loose TRUST. It's not Rush, Laura or any other talk show hosts, IT'S AMERICAN PRIDE, AND DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE AMERICANS LOVE OF COUNTRY. That is why McCain will be the President this fall. |
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And to his Townhall spam-spewing drone, Synthesizer.
This election cycle will be a disaster for the GOP (and the country) with Pickle McCain taking us all down with his failed dreams for the presidency, but at least that back-slapping ignoramus Mike Huckabee is out of the race and out of the picture. Good riddance.
I guess a "higher power" wasn't guiding Huckabee's campaign after all... |
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“Rush and other talk radio folks did affect the vote (especially in hurting Hucabee) but did they here?”
The two candidates that talk radio came out the strongest against were McCain and Huckabee. Those were the final two top tier candidates. The ones they endorsed or tacitly supported dropped out. So I fail to see your point.
”Out of 2 million votes cast for the democrats(so far) in Texas, there is less than a 50K vote lead for Hillary. Given that only 500,000 voters asked for Republican ballots, observers say that many others crossed over.”
The % differential is roughly the same as the previous states so again that’s not indicative of anything.
”Exit polls avoided that question. But it is not implausable that a few hundred thousand (or more) GOPers did cross over and of those, how many voted for Hillary? How many did so inspired by talk radio?”
Yes you are right and it is equally plausible that some Republicans who so despise all thing Clinton voted for Obama.
”But it is very possible that talk radio had an affect on the election.”
It is possible but I think less probable than Hugh implies or Rush will take credit for tomorrow.
”And like Hugh, I think it was a BAD idea. Obama is a puff ball compared to McCain, and Hillary is going to come off as tough AND compassionate.”
Who knows. We are in uncharted territory – there are obvious positive and negatives arguing both sides. The one good thing is she legitimizes negative attacks against Obama that we will use later.
Ultimately I don’t think we should be playing God. Go vote for your candidate that you support and let their Party choose the candidate they want. I think I can prove Kos had an affect on Michigan and helped Mitt win. Do we want to justify their immoral tactics? No.
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Just seat back enjoy.
Why you cannot see through all this?
Hillary had to win Ohio, and Obama has to stay in the game too.
Republicans cannot, and will not be able to attack Obama without being called racist, same with Hillary, then you will have womens' group running to her side, you cannot be harsh to her either!
Rush and Laura Ingraham, know the right strategy for our side to win.
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I am not so sure about that. The Clinton Machine unleashed everything it had to discredit Obama (and Obama made a few boneheaded comments and statements in the last few days to help them). I am sure there were a few cross over GOP voters maybe that made the difference in Texas (we will see), but Ohio too? I doubt it. Plus those cross over GOP votes may have been acting on their own, deeming Hillary to be weaker in the general than Obama.
Rush did not delivery anything to anybody. |
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Long after almost all the others have dropped out, McCain has been less than impressive in his run. Huckabee, a poor preacher without funds, rejected by the Party mainstream has STILL managed to keep the designated front runner from any impressive showing.
Racking up 54% wins, to the likes of Huckabee, McCain has shown himself to be a bit of a flop. At this point his wins should be 70-75%, routinely. Yet, the dislike of McCain is so great that even the 2nd most disliked canididate, the Huckster, makes him look very weak.
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Re: Hugh Hugh Hugh
Rush and other talk radio folks did affect the vote (especially in hurting Hucabee) but did they here?
Out of 2 million votes cast for the democrats(so far) in Texas, there is less than a 50K vote lead for Hillary. Given that only 500,000 voters asked for Republican ballots, observers say that many others crossed over.
Exit polls avoided that question. But it is not implausable that a few hundred thousand (or more) GOPers did cross over and of those, how many voted for Hillary? How many did so inspired by talk radio?
Until demographics and party affliation data are published, we won't know. But it is very possible that talk radio had an affect on the election. Unlike the GOP primaries, it only took 10s of thousands to give Hillary the crown.
And like Hugh, I think it was a BAD idea. Obama is a puff ball compared to McCain, and Hillary is going to come off as tough AND compassionate.
You talk radio people think way too highly of yourself. You, Levin, Ingram and Rush couldn't affect the Republican vote - what in the hell makes you think you can affect the democrat vote?
If Hillary wins Texas it wont be because of Rush. Hell for every Republican that pulls the lever for her there is one pulling the lever for
Obama out of their hatred for her.
Rush has spent 18 years telling people that his listeners aren't robots but now all these right-wing talk show hosts apparently think they are when it comes to their votes?
Hugh you are too smart to be saying such stupid things. Apparently you haven't learned much from all the embarrassingly stupid predictions and analysis you made on behalf of Romney.
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Amazing that Huckabee won 40% of Texas voters. That is a very high percentage and big numbers. Oh well, four years of a democrat screwing up our country, then Huckabee will be extremely well positioned to win back the White House in 2012! |
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Hillary may well have gone a long way to knocking off Obama tonight. She feels like a winner! |
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I actually FELT sorry for Hill... NOW I'm wishing I had the power to banish her from the entire process!
ON the other hand, it would please me to no end to see the Democratic Party (which, despite my being an Independant, was the one I usually supported) tear itself apart!
What was that latin phrase you posted? You were right-- the Democratic Party needs to destroy itself before it can be "good" again.
Ah well!
*eats popcorn* |
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Every last one of the stupid talking heads has resigned themselves to McCain...because the alternative is supposedly unthinkable. Cowards!
Screw 'em all! Defeat McCain!! |
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Who oh who is George Soros going to blow another couple bazillion on this time? |
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they all voted for Hillary, and they said many of their friends did likewise, you go girl, take it all the way to the convention, get those dems spending all their money in the primaries, Rezko, to the rescue, Rezko, to the rescue...... |
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don't let that rookie beat you, you go girl, the comeback girl, Rezko, to the rescue, Rezko, to the rescue, get down and dirty, girl, bamazama, he's sellin' snakeoil, go for the throat, girl, yes you can, yes you can, Go Hillary Go.
Good post, JohnCalvinsParrot, you get it, so do i. |
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You people who misinterpret Rush are so shallow and forsaken of imagination or inspiration (Rush is inspired, hence I tune him in every day). Rush is indifferent toward who becomes the Dem' nominee, but simply wants to see them continue gnawing at each other. As a lifelong, 50 year old Republican I support his plan and voted Dem for Hillary, casting my coin at an abortionist witch because I know she'll draw blood from the Chicago political extortionist, Obama, in ways of which McCain is not interested or capable. The fine, cultivated gentlemen of the failed GOP sure won't fight. So, let the lizards continue their slimy scrape, and Go Rush! |
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...apparently the new version of:
tempting the fates |
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Why are we so preoccupied with the Dems? The GOP is a train wreck and nobody cares. The GOP needs a brokered convention more than the Dems. |
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To Bad Rush, Hannity, and Hewitt did not endorse Duncan Hunter from the start and we would not be in this mess right now.
Hugh was pumping a book so at least he has an excuse.
Medved was a total moron and only cared about shamnesty and Getting his lawn mowed on the cheap with third world labor.
What a mess. |
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in both primary processes.
Though in reality, the pubs will continue to let indies vote in the 2012 primary, and the dems will learn from their mistake in letting us in.
I also hope we do away with winner take all N.E. states. Guiliani's people can be thanked for that. |
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You talk radio people think way too highly of yourself. You, Levin, Ingram and Rush couldn't affect the Republican vote - what in the hell makes you think you can affect the democrat vote?
If Hillary wins Texas it wont be because of Rush. Hell for every Republican that pulls the lever for her there is one pulling the lever for Obama out of their hatred for her.
Rush has spent 18 years telling people that his listeners aren't robots but now all these right-wing talk show hosts apparently think they are when it comes to their votes?
Hugh you are too smart to be saying such stupid things. Apparently you haven't learned much from all the embarrassingly stupid predictions and analysis you made on behalf of Romney.
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Loony tunes. Looks like Obama will nail it down tonight. Doesn't look like HRC pulled it off in either Texas or Ohio. Obama looks to pad the delegate lead tonight.
What was this about momentum and talk radio? Obama shaved nearly 20 points of Clinton's hefty leads in both states in just two weeks.
Intrade spiked back to Obama after it became clear that HRC didn't get what she needed. |
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we let the MSM pick "our" candidate
Rush's success has nothing to do with who wins |
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Good for Rush's business if Hillary wins the nomination. Rush says the GOP is dead if John wins, so I guess its Hillary 2008. Thanks Rush. |
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