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There is a full blown revolt underway against the revolting presumed nominee. The only way the GOP avoids a catastrophe in November is a different candidate. |
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There's a reason he couldn't win conservatives the first time.
Don't pick a 'LIMO' (Lib/Moderate- I made that up.) Can't really call'em RINOs anymore as they seem to make up MOST of the GOP elected and Media folks.
Please- for the love of God- pick a REAL Conservative. PLEASE. |
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You were supporting Romney after Fred dropped out, what happened?
He actually did win conservatives and would be our nominee right now if not for open primaries and anti-Mormon dirty tricks by Huck. Virtually all of talk radio was pulling for him. He's a very qualified man of character and ability.
I don't think Romney is a RINO at all. His only real problem was his change on abortion. Other than that, he fought hard for socially conservative issues in Mass., including life, and gained the praise of the majority of conservsative leaders there.
He would help McCain alot in MI, MN, WI, CO and NV, not to mention all the states out west.
Don't bail on me now, Ex! He'll be fine, you'll see. |
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...talking with HH yesterday. It sounded like no-way/no-how was he on the list for VP,.... despite that fact that a lot of pundits seem to be pulling for Mitt.
In the past Mitt has said, Well anybody would be honored to be VP...leaving the door wide open for himself. Yesterday seemed different.
I don't know who the brilliant, exciting, acceptable-to-the-evangelical community, conservative Ex-Tex thinks Mack is going to pull out of the hat. Sarah Palin? Just had a baby. Jindal? Just got elected.
Be prepared for a disappointment.
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I've been saying it'll be Lindsay Grahamnesty or Joe Liberalman. If Juan Heranandez was born in the U.S., maybe him. "Mexico First!" |
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These guys are just so "yesterday". They have lost their niche of power and are now busy re-inventing themselves to a new reality to make themselves relevant again. Reed makes a good point by indirectly suggesting that the ministers themselves are a problem but there is little about a McCain presidency that poses an opportunity or great threat to evangelicals. The evangelicals have some serious image problems to fix because I've lost respect for them myself. Do we really need all the talk of apocalypse and anti-Mormon and ant-Catholic bigotry here at TH? I think evangelicals would be better served by voting for Barr to buy time until they get their act together. |
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Pasadena Phil wrote;
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"I think evangelicals would be better served by voting for Barr to buy time until they get their act together."
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Phil,
I'm not sure that evangelicals would be served by voting for this Bob Barr fellow.
While he may not be in favor of same-sex marriage per se, Barr recently did voice support for the judicial activist way in which the California Supreme Court usurped the will of the people on the issue of same-sex marriage.
I don't think anyone (Barr) who is publicly accepting of judicial activism at the state level is going to inspire evangelicals to believe he will make good nominations for the federal judiciary.
And the Roe VS Wade decision is nothing but judicial activism.
Thus, evangelicals such as Ralph Reed are looking to see which candidates encourage judicial activism, and which candidates do not.
As we all know, the role of the judiciary is a key issue for most center-right evangelicals. |
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If you are looking for inspiration, why are you defending the stultifying McCain? You should be four-square behind the genuinely charismatic Obama. |
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Put Huckabee on the ticket.
Huckabee has already won the hearts of millions of grassroots evangelicals, you know, the kind who are politically passionate and voluntarily work hard for their candidate?
They supported Huckabee in the primaries even when their own leaders were slow to endorse him; even when some of the leaders never did.
Huckabee has always been unapologetically pro-life and he supports the Federal Marriage Amendment Reed mentions in the article. The California gay marriage ruling puts this concern on the front burner right now.
The evangelicals who support Huckabee are like a sleeping giant, ready to be awakened. Yes, they may vote for McCain anyway, but they will fight for the ticket if Huckabee is a part of it because they know he will fight for the values they hold dear. |
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Pasadena Phil wrote;
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"If you are looking for inspiration, why are you defending the stultifying McCain? You should be four-square behind the genuinely charismatic Obama."
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Phil, I'm not an evangelical.
I was merely informing you why Bob Barr's candidacy will not be inspiring evangelicals such as Ralph Reed since Barr recently affirmed the judicial activism of the California Supreme Court.
Obama says he admires Supreme Court justices such as Breyer, Ginsburg, and Souter.
Phil, the judiciary is very important to evangelicals such as Ralph Reed.
The evangelicals wants to see constructionist judges, rather than ones who legislate from the bench in favor of abortion and same-sex marriage.
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I really doubt that anyone even listens to Ralph Reed anymore. If I were an evangelical and only voted for right-to-life and prayer in school, I would probably go back to the old days of not voting at all. I mean, they got excited over Gomer Pyle, I mean, Huckleberry. Sheesh. |
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Jarrod is right. McCain should pick Huckabee. |
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I didn't hear him yesterday, but I hope McCain chooses him anyway. He certainly helps McCain more than McCain helps him, though. |
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Which ones?
The ones who have America's best interest at heart? He already has them, as did Romney. These are the folks that know they are not necessarily voting for McCain, but rather against Obama because he is inexperienced, a marxist, and not all that bright. They don't want our troops to suffer under a CIC who is neither patriotic nor up to the job. He wants to decimate the military, lose the WOT, and have tea with A-jad.
Or the ones who want a Pastor-in-chief and were happy to ignore Huck's anti-Mormon bombs, indeed went right along with him as a bigot brigade? They are also happy to hold the party hostage if they don't get what they want. They are really a bunch of fit-throwers who believe their influence is more significant than it is. I'm all for McCain showing them their place, and he has certainly indicated so far that he is willing to do so.
Sorry Jarrod, Huck is nothing more than a pathetic joke and always has been. The Shoot-Obama gaffe was just more of the same small-minded vulgarity he is well-known for. |
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PC: They are also happy to hold the party hostage if they don't get what they want. They are really a bunch of fit-throwers who believe their influence is more significant than it is.
ME: I have read posts here where people wrote, "I could never vote for McCain if Huckabee (The Huckster, Huckles, Huckleberry, etc.) were on the ticket. Are you including those people with the fit-throwers who don't have the country's best interest at heart?
PC: Sorry Jarrod, Huck is nothing more than a pathetic joke and always has been.
ME: I was responding to the Matt's posting, "How to Win Evangelicals". Huckabee won 8 primaries/cauci in heavy evangelical areas. He came in 2nd in 19 other contests. 4,539,399 voters nationwide disagree with your assessment of Huckabee. |
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I have been trying to figure out a way to justify voting for John McCain, and to date can find no such justification. If he were to pick Huck, my decision would be easy.
Hello Mr. Barr. |
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. . . and consequently, hello President Obama. |
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So be it. It would not be the end of the world. We would survive.
It is not my fault that the GOP has turned into the democrat party. I have not moved anywhere. |
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One of the temper-tantrums I'm talking about was the Huck-inspired anti-Mitt ad petition which sought to further divide the party. It was a huge backfire. The folks who did it (with Huck's consent) have a history of being anti-Mormon. Their teeth were gnashing at the thought of a Mormon sitting in the White House. Yeah, I think you can call it a fit, especially when everyone went to the site and voted for Romney. They got so mad they removed the pro-Romney votes/comments and sent angry emails to Romney supporters - my sister got one.
The idea that McCain would choose Huck is more than ridiculous. Saying you won't vote for McCain if he choose Huck is exactly the same thing as saying you won't vote for him if he chooses David Duke or Reverend Wright. (racists and bigots are in the same category to me.) Ain't gonna happen - especially after all the stupid things Huck has done recently. Huck is a loose cannon, and quite without depth beyond his folksy soundbites. He is also a shameless self-promoter. He's actually never stopped campaigning - he's going right through til 2012. He cannot help McCain at all, but can truly damage him.
McCain said one of the things he wants to focus on is religious tolerance. That pretty much counts Huck out.
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Have been reading your posts. Very interesting. Regards to you for thinking and reading.
Thanx. |
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Why would anyone read a word he says?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_E._Reed,_Jr.
Even Wickipedia has enough on him for an indictment. I lived in Virginia Beach a long time. Know all about Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson and Regent "Universtiy". LOL And could tell you many true stories... but it's late. Time for bed soon. |
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you know, same class as chuckles the clown. Neither would I ever vote for president or vice president. but I might catch their show at the local comedy club.
If Ralph Reed wants to get the vote, he needs to inclued ALL CHRISTIANS, not just those he defines as such. |
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MC: So be it. It would not be the end of the world.
No, but it could well be the end of the United States.
PC: The folks who did it (with Huck's consent)
Can you find a quote for me where Huckabee expressed his consent, because I never read or heard any such thing. Or are you making that assumption and stating it as fact?
PC: Saying you won't vote for McCain if he choose Huck is exactly the same thing as saying you won't vote for him if he chooses David Duke or Reverend Wright.
So, what you're saying is that your temper tantrum is justified? By the way, the above statement is a classic straw man fallacy in logic that occurs when one ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.
QMo7: Huckles is a term of endearmet!
you know, same class as chuckles the clown.
Ha Ha. One thing, though. Sarcasm and condecension is not a very endearing way to make a point.
QM07: Neither would I ever vote for president or vice president. but I might catch their show at the local comedy club.
But you wouldn't hesitate to vote for an adherent to Scientology, as I recall, a religion started by a science fiction writer.
And yes, I know there is no religious test in the Constitution for those seeking office, which is as it should be. It is up to voter to test the credibility of the candidate's belief system, because it is true that words have meaning and ideas have consequences.
QMo7: If Ralph Reed wants to get the vote, he needs to inclued ALL CHRISTIANS, not just those he defines as such.
Again, I was responding to the subject of the original post, evangelicals. |
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Huckles ought to stop it too.
But then, you all hold him to a 'different' standard then the rest of us 'christians'. |
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You don't know thing about Mike Huckabee. It is quite evident that your dislike FOR him is clouding your judgment OF him. |
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I agree. A sense of humor is a wonderful thing, but not all jokes are created equal. The one referring to Huckabee as Huckles the way you use it is one that offends more than it humors. By inference, you are essentially calling the 4 1/2 million people who voted for Huckabee unthinking idiots.
And yes, Huckabee's remark at the NRA was one of those off the cuff remarks that just wasn't funny. It was wrong, but it was not as sinister as some make it out to be.
Please tell me Huckabee and I are not the only ones who have said something that we regretted as soon as it came out of our mouths.
Huckabee quickly admitted it was a bad joke, apologized for it on national television and to Obama personally. Obama was magnanimous enough to accept the apology. All of us here can take a lesson in graciousness from the two of them. |
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Even the liberals have to admit it!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/romney- poses-bigger-threa_b_102262.html
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``An 80 percent friend is not a 20 percent enemy,'' Reed said.
McCain should appeal to Evangelical voters, not Evangelical leaders. As for Bob Barr, since he is not going to win why would Evangelicals throw their votes away and help elect the guy Father Pfleger and Jeremiah Wright are supporting? Do Evangelicals think electing Barack Obama will serve their interests?
McCain should pick a decent running mate: Sanford, Pawlenty, Romney, Jindal and Palin are all good choices and then go win this thing. As for conservatives, they should hold McCain's feet to the fire and work toward electing conservatives to every political position they can (local, state and national). |
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PC writes: Saturday, May, 31, 2008 10:38 PM
"Jarrod
One of the temper-tantrums I'm talking about was the Huck-inspired anti-Mitt ad petition which sought to further divide the party. It was a huge backfire. The folks who did it (with Huck's consent) have a history of being anti-Mormon. Their teeth were gnashing at the thought of a Mormon sitting in the White House. Yeah, I think you can call it a fit, especially when everyone went to the site and voted for Romney. They got so mad they removed the pro-Romney votes/comments and sent angry emails to Romney supporters - my sister got one.
The idea that McCain would choose Huck is more than ridiculous. Saying you won't vote for McCain if he choose Huck is exactly the same thing as saying you won't vote for him if he chooses David Duke or Reverend Wright. (racists and bigots are in the same category to me.) Ain't gonna happen - especially after all the stupid things Huck has done recently. Huck is a loose cannon, and quite without depth beyond his folksy soundbites. He is also a shameless self-promoter. He's actually never stopped campaigning - he's going right through til 2012. He cannot help McCain at all, but can truly damage him.
McCain said one of the things he wants to focus on is religious tolerance. That pretty much counts Huck out."
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PC...I was going to write a post about Huckabeen, but your post already says it all so well! Huckabeen doesn't have a chance in H*LL especially now that even the Dems have seen his true colors with Huck's outrageous Obama/gun "joke". If he were on the ticket, imagine all the Dem TV commercials of Huck's gaffe over and over and over again....
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