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Pawlenty and Cantor. I hope Lieberman changed Mac's mind. Frankly, I would think Mitt would do a good job. I think Pawlenty would do better than people expect. I think Cantor would bring a fresh conservative perspective. |
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I'm all schooled up now.... I read the transcript between Rush and Huck and it sure seemed like Huck wasn't being very honest about two things:
1) His slur about the Mormons in his interview with the NY journalist (saying he was trying to glean iformation about the Mormon religion from the Journalist and that is why he asked the question about the Devil and Jesus being brothers... Right.... Geeeze).
2) He said that the Ron Paul people were the ones that rallied his candidacy past Romney's in the WV convention... Wrong again.... it was a deal between Mac and Huck and they know it...
3) He then had a very poor argument for his revengeful actions against Romney.... claiming that Romney misrepresented his record but could not cite one example.... Amazing.
SUMMARY) The guy needs to drop the grudge and stop the lies or he will never be appealing to anyone but a segment of the Evangelicals...
The Florida Poll was very interesting.... Romney polled very strong.... even in comparison to Crist...and especially against Lieberman....
I hat to say this cuz I know it sounds like I am only promoting my guy, but I am beginning to believe that the only way that Mac can win this election is with Romney unless Obama and Biden simply implode (and I don't see that happening)... |
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you may be right, but you have to admit it was an intesting poll. I certainly would not have thought Mitt would be helpful in Florida. |
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it won't be mitt ,too much like john kerry |
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TALLAHASSEE -- "Joe Biden's barely a blip. Mitt Romney's more of a hit. Gov. Charlie Crist should stay where he is. And Joe Lieberman should go away.
That's all according to Mason-Dixon Polling & Research's latest Florida voter survey gauging the vice presidential picks and possibilities in the presidential race."
I can already hear the cry... polls don't mean anything... yeah, especially when they don't support your man. |
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I didn't get to hear Rush today.... Was Huck on??? If so, that would be unusual because Rush had indicated before that he didn't want to talk with the guy.... What was said and what did he lie about...
BTW,the prediction market (INTRADE) is all over the place tonight.... There was a run up on Kay Bailey Hutchison, Cantor is trading up, Pawlenty is trading up and Romney (unfortunately) is down about 15.... He is still the favorite by a significant margin, but not like it was yesterday.... Is there some news out there somewhere that I don't know about??? |
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Your a better man than I am.....
My deal breaker is Huckabee. And now that I heard him LIE on Rushes show, I'm even more convinced that he's not the veep nom. But if Mac has a stupid attack in the next day or so... then i'm out. I can't and won't vote for Huck on the ticket. Romney all the way.
And for all you Palin lovers. I read somewhere here that she'll be in AK at a function on Friday. Hope she's out. |
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You may be right, I know I'm not voting for McCain. I suspect he wins in a squeaker even with a significant protest vote on the right. There may be enough Democrats and independents who are afraid of Obama to elect McCain. |
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I am a huge fan of Romney for a number of reasons... but the main one is that he makes the most sense (i.e. economy, electoral strength in needed areas, Poll strength, strong advocate, etc.etc.)
I will however, vote for McCain no matter who he chooses as long as that person is Pro-Life (and I don't even consider myself a social conservative....I'm actually more of a Fiscal Conservative)....
I guess I see the impotance of the whole "anti-abortion thing" as it relates to conservatives and republicans, the same way that most people see the importance of "sex" in a marriage.... When it's present it is just a small part of what makes the marriage work..... when it's absent, it can be the entire reason the relationship doesn't work...
I hope that Republican Conservatives continue to get all of the legitimate "sex" they want and continue to stand fast on the "anti-abortion" plank of the party platform and in the selection of the VP nominee.... If they don't, I predict caos and a total break down of the party.... I also predict that Bob Barr will become the spoiler of the 2008 election (aka Ross Perot in 1988)... And, I further predict that McCain will lose the election (and perhaps lose it by a large margin)... |
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Thanks. Just as great minds think alike (poyman and plumber), stupid ones often do as well.
-Kristol pushed Leiberman again on Sunday. IF one can call support for Iraq invasion a conservative issue it'd be the only conservative stance, and thus a logical stance, Leiberman has ever taken.
-Hannity was asked in all seriousness by a McCain advisor how many conservative votes would be lost if he were to pick a pro-choice VP. I'm not an abortion voter, but I know what it would mean to GOP grassroots.
The contempt that the Rockefellers have for conservatives is palpable. This split btw, is the ONLY reason Democrats run Kansas. The Stupid Party indeed. The cancer at the top has infected the body whole. When Right compromises with Left, Left wins.
Gotta stop. The more I think about it, the more attractive Barr looks.
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Not sure about how accurate based on the fact that it's an internet poll.... but thought that some of you may be interested....
National Review Online is running a poll of whom McCain should choose for his running mate. The results so far are: Mitt Romney - 1,977 votes Sarah Palin - 1,463 John Kasich - 364 Tim Pawlenty - 265 "Other" beats... |
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I meant that the article does not say that the other camps are being spoken to either. Sorry. Changes the meaning. |
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is that the OTHER camps are being spoken to. Look, Mccain in announcing on Friday - maybe. That would tell me, he's made his mind up. My guess is that whoever has been picked, knew about it well before he went to China. Oops. I mean, well before the Olympics. |
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You all forgot to mention that today Romney called Russia the Soviet Union three different times. I know he knows the difference but a man who is suppose to be such a good debater better not make that mistake in a VP debate if selected by McCain. |
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But I did make a pretty penny on McCain when I got him at 11 to 1 on Sportsbook.com in Jan. I do look at INTRADE numbers when it comes to election day (primary or General)once the exit polls get leaked before they are mentioned on T.V. It is fasinating but i don't play it. Romney has always had great support from intrade and I would have lost a lot of money if I made plays on Romney during the Primary season. He under performed and the people who went buy instead of selll on Romney on election day lost their shirts.
Go ahead POLYMAN put your money on Romney. His numbers have been going up for the last couple of weeks. Ever since Halprin so-called leak that it was between Romney & Pawlenty people have bought the Romney stock.
But I tell you it's all a head fake. Just like when McCain camp leaked the possibilty it would be a pro-choice pick.
Pawlenty - Palin. I'm wishing for Palin but I know McCain's comfort with Palwenty is a big advantage for a Pawlenty pick. We will see. |
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Money quote
“Mitt Romney suggested Tuesday that criticisms he leveled at John McCain during the GOP primaries would not block him from becoming the Republican nominee for vice president, arguing that he never questioned his one-time rival’s readiness to be president the way the Democratic nominee for vice president questioned Barack Obama.” |
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I remember Biden saying "I'm not the man" two days before the Media made the official anouncement that he was the guy...
Oh, and I know a friend, who knows a friend, who once went to camp with Romney's kids who confirmed that it was Romney.... So there ya go...
Seriously, I watched him on FOX today with Neil Cavuto, did you? I am a huge Romney fan, I'll admit, but I know how he reacts to stuff.... his responses to repeated questions about the issue were weak, he simply handled it by saying that he couldn't talk about the VP question in any way (smiling big all the while)...
Now some logic:
1) The Prediction Markets continue to climb for Romney...He's trading at an equivalent of 65% to 67% assurity of getting the nomination.... Pawlenty is trading at about 20 to 21% assurity of getting the nomination.... Romney is also trading at about 3 times faster than Pawlenty...
2) Romney is stumping in NV after he leaves Denver.... then he is on to MI.... McCain is saying that he will announce in OH on Friday and campaign in MI after that.... Hmmm, coincidence? I think not.
3) McCain is then moving on to MO and is campaigning jointly with Huckabee and Romney in a suburb of St. Louis.... (Why all three??? Hmmm, Coincidence? I think not...)
4) McCain needs electoral strength in NV,CO,MN,MI,OH,PA,NH and FL..... Romney handily won four of those eight state Primaries, finished a strong second in two others and left the race before the other two Primaries.... (not to mention how strongly Romney has polled)...
I could go on, but it's not worth my energy with you.... If you think that you have compelling evidence that Romney is not going to be selected, and either Pawlenty or Palin are going to be picked, I would go and invest in the prediction markets (INTRADE)... Both of those candidates are trading cheap.... You could make alot of money...LOL, Some how, I don't think that you are going to be doing that.
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I remeber Biden saying "I'm not the man" two days before they the anoouncement official...
Oh, and I know a friend, who knows a friend, who once went to camp with Romney's kids who confirmed that it was Romney.... So there ya go...
I watched him on FOX today with Neil Cavuto, did you? I am a huge Romney fan, I'll admit, but I know how he reacts to stuff.... his response to repeated questions about the issue was weak, he simply handled it by saying that he couldn't talk about the VP question in any way...
Now some logic:
1) The Prediction Markets continue to climb for Romney...He's trading at an equivalent of 65% to 67% assurity of getting the nomination.... Pawlenty is trading at about 20 to 21% assurity of getting the nomination.... Romney is also trading at about 3 times faster than Pawlenty...
2) Romney is stumping in NV after he leaves Denver.... then he is on to MI.... McCain is saying that he will announce in OH on Friday and campaigning in MI after that.... Hmmm, coincidence? I think not.
3) McCain is then moving on to MO and is campaigning jointly with Huckabee and Romney in a suburb of St. Louis.... (Why all three??? Hmmm, Coincidence? I think not...)
4) McCain needs electoral strength in NV,CO,MN,MI,OH,PA,NH and FL..... Romney handily won four of those eight state Primaries and finished a strong second in two others and left the race before the other two Primaries.... (not to mention how strongly Romney has polled)...
I could go on, but it's not worth the energy with you.... If you think that you have compelling evidence that Romney is not going to be selected and either Pawlenty or Palin is going to be picked I would go out and play the prediction markets (INTRADE).... Both of those candidates are trading cheap.... You could make alot of money... Some how, I don't think that you are going to be doing that. |
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I wasn't commenting on christians per se, but rather denominations, which is what your initial point was. I.e., Irish catholics identifying with Irish catholics or episcopelians identifying with episcopelians, etc, when voting.
Yes, it was written by a "socialist" of the time, which only goes to show how far off the reservation the modern left in this country has wandered. It makes me laugh to think of any of the current icons of the left creating something similar, or even defending the pledge without equivocating.
Your crowing this long before the election smacks of false bravado duds. A little surprising to me actually. At least you're paying attention. |
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I'm wrong again huh?
Just like I was wrong when I backed the McCain candidacy during the GOP primaries and was told by ROMBOTS like you how there was no way McCain was going to win?
US NEWS - being reported by Hot Air.com
"Sources close to Romney tell us that his camp has not had vice presidential talks and dealings for a while, leading them to believe that the other running mate topping McCain's list has edged him out"
It will be Pawlenty or Palin. Romney has not been in the picture for awhile.
POYMAN - you say McCain needs Romney to win NV,CO and MI to win.
WRONG!
McCain will win Co & NV without Romney.
Once again it will be the ROMBOTS that go 0 for 2 because Romney won't get picked and they will go 0 for 3 once they see McCain defeat Obama in the fall. It will be an honor to see you eating crow soon.
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Well, you're a kid. Nothin' against the pledge of allegiance, but it was written by a socialist. As for voting along religious lines, believe me, every pro-life Christian will do so: Republican. And they'll lose, because women in this country who believe that pro-choice is the law of the land will be voting Democratic in HUGE numbers. |
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You just have to convince the thousands of people who are buying Romney futures on the Prediction markets.... or tell his advisors who leaked out the Romney selection to Halperin 2 days ago.... Or maybe tell McCain not to pay any attention to all the polls showing that Romney should be his pick.... or maybe tell Zogby and Scott Rasmussen that their joint recommendation of a Romney selection makes no sense...
Sorry Howie, you are wrong yet again.... Romney will be the selection and it will be announced on Friday....
Attack ads that the McCain camp used with Bidens own words had little to no impact and they know it... The play was really more directed at getting Hillary folks more interested in McCain... Americans know that those types of things are said in the Primaries, and they discount them.... Otherwise, there wouldnever be a Running Mate selected from the field of Primary candidates.... Also, the class warfare ads run by the Dems will be ineffective... People are going to vote for people who have been successful in Economy stuggles, not someone who hasn't.... History proves that out.
The GOP needs NV,CO, and MI and they don't have a shot at any of them without Romney... Also, the Nation needs Romney's skill set on the Economy...
It's McCain and Romney in 2008. Get behind it. |
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You make a good point. Although poyman posted polls that show conservatives favor Romney, it doesn't mean McCain will choose him. IMHO, Romney would add several strengths to the ticket. But, regardless of who he chooses, I would much rather have McCain as president than Obama. As one poster noted earlier, even a John McCain/Ron Paul ticket would be better than Obama/Biden. |
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There is no way McCain picks Romney as VP. Here is the evidence:
It's simple. The McCain camp would not be running these AD's showing Biden's belief during the primaries that Obama is not ready to be President. The McCain camp is hitting hard on Obama about the differences between the himself and the VP that he picked in Biden. The McCain camp made the decesion not to pick Romney before Obama picked Biden. They had these ADs ready to fire once Obama made the selection. The McCain camp knew that they would leave themselves open to being hypocrits if they ran these Ads and then still selected Romney, who the DEMS could come back with a TV blits showing Romney and mcCain going at it during the REP primaries.
I believe the selection is between Pawlenty and Palin with half of McCain's brain still being romantic about a Leiberman pick (which won't happen)
Romney has become a great head fake for McCain. The DEMS last night went after McCain-Romney houses.
Romney knows he is not getting picked. It's about time all you ROMBOTS get used to it. You are all starting to remind me of the PUMAS.
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So the VP according to you only travels once every couple of years? Try googling "Dick Cheney travel" His travel calendar is posted at gwu.edu
As an example of what you will find there, for October 2004, he was traveling 27 out of the 31 days. In September, he was out of town 20 of the 30 days. So keep pretending that a VP sits at home twiddling his thumbs if you wish, but if you want the facts they are easy to find. |
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Romney polls better than any of the possibilities that you raise and he will be the most effective in the campaign... |
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just like you were during the primaries... I agree with your description of the need for the VP slot, but the right guy is Romney....
He secures McCain wins in MI,CO,NV and helps in NH,FL and even OH and PA....
With Romney we get 6 out of those 7 and the election....
Romney is Presidential and he helps secure the Conservative base better than any other pick.... |
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"And then, you have Obama, the leftist abortionist Kenyan tribesman friend of terrorists and protégé of radicals"
LOL funny statement about Obamacide. |
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Romney raises the same questions he did in the primaries - his record is inconsistent and that makes him unpredictable as a leader. McCain's VP will face more scrutny because of McCain's age. Now that Obama has goofed badly with Biden (no new voters drawn by Biden and more confirmation that Obama lacks the foreign policy experience necessary to lead america or the world at this time in history), McCain ought to pick a solid, strong VP who is older than 50, strong on life, taxes and defense AND a man! We keep the south, and other middle states like OH, PA, FL and MN. Romney can get an adminstrative position that deals with the economy....... |
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Finally some sanity.... Thank you. Kristol is joined in his recommendation by Dick Morris....
I'd really like to know what qualifies thes guys as "experts"? In my mind (at least on this topic) they are just two guys with Bad Opinions...
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-Putin and Ahmadinijad would laugh at Palin. It'd be no different than sending Madeline "The Troll" Albright to negotiate with Muslims (oh wait! we actually did try that). It'd be a dumb move, not necessarily for D-lite, but for the country. But then, I take the office seriously.
-Romney is more than qualified. Fact is though, Obama is so unqualified that D-lite should be able to pick a yellow dog and still win.
-Bill Kristol is an idiot (did I just say that with my "out loud" voice?). |
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But I think Obama, by picking Biden, has handed McCain a golden opportunity to connect with disenfranchised Hillary voters. While Romney is great, and I actually liked him better than McCain in the primaries, he wouldn't have the same type of crossover appeal to independents and Dems who were excited about Hillary.
The plus with Palin - she is also conservative and very attractive. Another possible conservative woman might be Kay Bailey Hutchinson. A more liberal woman (such as Olympia Snowe) would not work at all, because McCain needs to pick a pro-life and at least moderately conservative running mate.
I think McCain should, however, put Romney in his cabinet. |
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I loved Bobby Jindal, but he needs another few years as governor before he goes national. I can't wait until he does, though... however, for 2008, why not McCain/Palin????
It would be an exciting ticket. It would appeal to disenfranchised Hillary voters. Palin is conservative - pro-life, fiscally conservative, and she's got a very high approval rating as Alaska Governor.
Alternatively, how about Kay Bailey Hutchinson? She has been pro-life her entire career and is moderately conservative on other issues, plus she is very popular in Texas. She's not as exciting as Palin, but is safe and would still appeal to Hillary voters who might cross over to McCain.
Pawlenty would be better than Romney. I liked Romney, but the Dems could use the tension between him and McCain during the primaries. Pawlenty is a safer choice. |
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lI am a conservative and I am a Romney fan. So let me know if you want to talk about it intelectually or just drop a bunch of made up crap and run.....??? |
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want dialogue and/or potential answers to the questions that you pose or the issues that you raise? Or are you just trying to be cute??
Because, if you are trully interested, it would probably help for you to read through a few threads and get yourself some major corrections on your facts.... Cuz you are way off on virtually everything that you talked about.... Oh, and by the way, I'm not a Mormon.... But, I do believe all religions or faiths should be treated with respect.... |
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Okay we all know he was a total liberal before ran for president. We all know he is LDS, both facts. The next thing is I think he is the one who brought up the LDS thing by going on his talkradio book tour with Hugh. Why? 1. He knew he couldn't win GOP primary as pro- choice, gay and gov heathcare. 2. we do now. 3. this is the one that stumps me. If you have ever had a fam ily member consider becoming mormon, you know what I mean. The minute you challenge their bilnd faith in a story soo full of holes and red herring they SNAP!!! They label you a bigot, we are the same bunch who question Obama on his Muslim backround for the same reason. These religions program their follower to become defensive to any questions raise about the content of their religions. The same defense Mitt uses on his swapped positions when asked in detail his opinions. Religion isn't the deal it's about honest intent Matt wants a job at FOX so he is lock step on Rush's corn pipe. DO no harm the first rule Obama broke it, why would McCain want to toss the dice on that??????? |
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So you buy into the identity politics thing, eh? Pretty mundane, don't you think?
I imagine the number of people who vote strictly along religious affiliation lines is relatively small. No political operative is poring over the numbers on what the episcopelians find as the current hot issue.
As I said before, I'm not particularly religious, but it is a big red flag for me every time I hear someone recite the church and state line. It is meaningless, and almost always reflects someone's personal animus toward religion rather than a concern about religious freedom. I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks reciting the pledge of allegiance with "under god" is an infringement upon their rights is a simpering fool and a butt. |
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Cnn is ripping the first night of the convention. David Gergen and James Carville just got done talking about how the DEMs have wasted the first night. No concentrated attacks on John McCain. They are not happy with the Obama convnetion has done with the 9:00 hour. It was all about Jim Leech, very very odd.
Cooper and Anderson are talking about it again. This is incredible.
Hardly any attacks on McCain!
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From the Global edition of the NYT
FRIDAY, JANUARY 23, 2004
"WASHINGTON: When Vice President Dick Cheney leaves Friday for the Davos economic conference in Switzerland, he will be undertaking only his second trip abroad since taking office.
That fact makes him singular in the modern history of the vice presidency. Over the past several decades, the position has been associated not only with attending the funerals of foreign dignitaries but, increasingly, with undertaking substantive diplomatic missions.
But historians said Cheney's stay-at-home approach is largely explained by the changes wrought by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks..."
I think she can afford to get away once every couple of years, don't you?
I'm sure down's syndrome babies do take a lot of care but Palin has resources your neighbor was unlikely to have and Palin would have more as VP.
If your position is that she should resign as governor, fine but commitment wise, I doubt there's much difference between the two jobs.
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Shouldn't we have a Presidential candidate who will uphold the laws?
Doesn't seem like too much to ask.
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ways of pi**ing us off than...But, your updates of Buzz-on-Sarah are durn catchy!
Could the Little ***t be capable of doing something so certain to make ME joyous. It would be unprecedented from Juanito...But, go ahead...make my day. It would also win the election--BIG. Think of it. On the first night of their Denver-Bammy Luv Orgy, the two candidates are at 45%/45%--Dead Even. NO bounce for Bammy. Toss Sarah Va-Va-Voom Palin into the mix and it STEALS ALL the Denver thunder.
Okay...okay...Be calm, Neo... |
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JamesB,
Why thank you! One can never get too many compliments on ones comedic ability.
The 'hothead' label is an unfair one but a great 'label' to apply to ones opponent. Like I said, McCain's temper is never directed at employees or staffers. Reserving his anger for his political equals says a lot about the man.
Labeling view of McCain as 'excuses' without substantive rebuttal says something about you as well.
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I gotta tell you, you had me laughin outloud when you said that you didn't think Mac was qualified... And Mr. 20 minutes in the senate is??
Go get some logic and credibility and then come back on here and talk.... Cuz right now you are missing those 2 characteristics big time. |
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I don't want to open a can of worms.... but the whole church v state thing, is only workin for the Dems....When they put Creationism on the same level as Evolutionism and give equal time to each, then I think we have things balanced... Sorry. |
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Hot Air.com puts up a piece on Palin this afternoon and there is already close to 400 comments made to the article.
Most of the comments are 100% positive. The grass root conservative on the internet are starting to speak loudly.
They are saying Palin!!!! |
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I'm not the governor of Alaska or the VP, but I don't think the two positions are exactly or even approximately equal in duties and responsibilities. How many trips does the governor of Alaska have to make to the Middle East or all over the world to meet with world leaders? I remember democrats complaining about the VP's travel budget because he was gone so often. Don't you think perhaps the VP is away from home substantially more often than the governor of a state like Alaska?
I don't have a child with Down's Syndrome, but my neighbor did. She quit her job at his birth to care for him. He was a joy to all who knew him, but he required a great deal of care. |
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Democrats, haven't realized it,
Pelosi, lost the election for them!
I mentioned few days ago,
Pro-life issue, this election will be huge.
McCain, was born under a lucy star!
Presidency is his!
Unless, he does something very unwise!
O'Biden, Ha...Ha...Ha....
Why O'Biden? |
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F'got you was in AZ. Poy would have been a difficult alter-ego.
I raise the Irish-Catholic vote to recognize a constituency, not to know the answer. McCain's a southern baptist, Joe goes to mass.
But we must recall the ancient tragedy of Sturch and Chate: twins separated at birth, never to meet. May they always be strangers. |
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Whenever possible, a mother should be in the home with her young children. I am able to work from home, part time with my own business. Im home with my kids, and have 3 doing homework and 4 washing dishes and 1 helping cook right now. Dad is on his way home from work. I never want to say "where did the time go", and not have an accounting of that time.
I don't want to force my LDS values on anyone. But if we keep treating children as toys and showpieces, then we are going to have real problems in the future. Ms. Palin is not the mother of 1. She is the mother of FIVE. Being a mother of 8, I know that with each child, time gets more and more pecious. |
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Mark the date! Have a party! Tonight at FHE we'll raise a rootbeer to Jorge! WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!!!!
I know it sounds old fashioned. But the more I'm a mother, the more I know how much my kids need ME. Oh, dad can do it, if he had to. But there is nothing like a mommy. Maybe Ozzie and Harriett had it right. I'd like to take a serious look in 10-12 years at Palin. Until then, she can do what she needs to, to gain EXPERIENCE and raise those little ones of hers. |
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Poyman,
Fair enough.
Despite his democrat allegiance, Tip O'Neil was a great 'politician'. And he was friends with Reagan...
I do think it's just a matter of 'preference' and focus between us. I wish Romney well and if he is the VP pick I certainly hope your view is correct.
You also MAY be right about Palin and the racehorse analogy, I don't think you are but I'd hate for you to be right about her and the timing.
People are going to be making a choice between McCain and Obama. I just think in THIS election, tokens DO matter, IF they are the right one. |
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Nothings changed nor does it need to. Either out of ignorance or agenda, Dobson mischaracterized McCain. Not by lying about him but in not telling all the truth.
McCain did not stray until after his return from Vietnam, all indications are that when he returned he and his wife could not 'reconnect'. And film of McCain's early capture reveal that at that time McCain deeply loved his wife.
No one comes out of 5 yrs of torture the same person. McCain's acknowledgment of the failure of his first marriage being HIS greatest moral failure and his fidelity to Cindy disprove Dobson's implications about McCain's character.
Had there been any evidence that McCain's involvement with the Keating 5 went beyond the 'appearance of impropriety' the dems would have gone after him like sharks smelling blood in the water.
McCain's violent temper has never been directed at employees or staffers. ONLY at other senators who have gone back on their word, like Obama did...
Grant, Johnson, Kennedy and many other Pres. used profanity. |
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That's easy Dr. Dobson is a good man and he realizes that even with Mac's faults he is a FFFFFAAAARRRR better choice than the alternative... |
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I respect your point of view.... although I probably wouldn't look to former speaker Tip for analysis...
I think that we are simply going to have to agree to disagree....
I hope to see Palin on the National Stage in the future.... but not this year...
I guess I look at it like Horse Racing.... you can mess up a good Colt or a good Philly by pushing them too early..... Let her get use to a bigger environment first.
If you are suggesting her because she is female.... I don't think that tokens work at this level.... Truth is, the majority of the people are going to be making a decision between two people and we already know who they are.... McCain or Obama... |
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You simply ignore the facts and go with your misinformed "gut feeling"... If Mac (who, btw, is way more liberal than Romney) decides to go with someone else he too will have to be relying on "gut feelings" and ignoring the facts.... Then, we will all be able to sit back in December and talk about how he screwed up by not picking Romney....
No Jorge, unless you have some inside information that the rest of the world doesn't have (i.e. Networks and Journalists).... Romney is the guy.... and I will be opening up my savings to help McCain-Romney get elected. |
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Simply ignore the facts and go with your misinformed "gut feeling"... If Mac (who, btw, is way more liberal than Romney) decides to go with someone else he too will have to be relying on "gut feelings" and ignoring the facts.... Then, we will all be able to sit back and talk about how he screwed up on not picking Romney....
No Jorge, unless you have some inside information that the rest of the world doesn't have (i.e. Networks and Journalists).... Romney is the guy.... and I will be opening up my savings to help McCain-Romney elected. |
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I'm in AZ actually.
Not being very religious, I don't really have a good grasp of the religious view. If you are classifying Irish catholics as practicing catholics, I would assume most of them would be anti-abortion, and would vote accordingly. If by Irish catholic you mean the blue collar, hard working, hard drinking and hard fighting crowd, I would expect most of them relate better to JM. So, I guess I see that segment swinging largely toward JM. |
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poyman writes:
"Palin is in her early 40's, comes from a state with the smallest popultion (700,000) of any state in the union... and has not had to maneuver or fight on a big stage before.... This election is far too important for her to "train" on.... I would like to see her in the Senate first, or perhaps in a Cabinet Position first, or maybe even in a RNC role.....I have a good understanding of Politics in that state... it is rough and tumble, but it is very Local Issue based ...I say, let's give her more time and exposure."
Ideally, I too wish Palin had more time, as 'seasoning' never hurts. I can't agree that your objections are substantive enough to preclude Palin from consideration however.
Here's why: Obama is in his 40's as was Kennedy. Age is a factor but not a definitive one.
Giuliani's only experience is as a Mayor. Yes, the largest city in the country but it was his leadership after 9/11 that convinced us that he had the 'right stuff'. I think that experience as a governor, even of a small state matches up well with being a mayor. Palin's record, her stands on the issues and her personal behavior convince me that SHE has the right stuff. I think she'll do just fine against Biden.
It is precisely because this election is so important that I believe we have to pick the MOST electable ticket.
I judge that to be McCain-qualified woman, rather than McCain-Romney and I have NOTHING against Romney, so I'm not biased against him.
I happen to think he'd make a good Pres. I just don't think in THIS election he's the best choice for VP. I will certainly support him if he's the VP though.
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If the Irish Catholics are objective (which I think that they are) they will pick the ticket that is going to keep them safest, the one that will do the most to help them pay their bills today, and the one that willprovide for them the best opportunity to become prosperous and realize the potential for legitimate success.... And by the way, that's McCain-Romney in case you were wondering....
McCain and Romney have demonstrated themselves how to accomplish legitimate success through Education, Service, Hard Work and Sacrifice...
I'm just an average Joe with a middle level income and the things that I look at are: How much of what I make do I have to give to the Government in Taxes? How much money am I going to have to buget for gas to get to and from work or for Heating Oil this winter and next winter? How strong will the Military be that is responsible for keeping me and my family safe from Terrorist attacks? Will the company that I work for have a heavier or lighter load of financial obligations to the Government (which could impact my job security)? If companies in general have to pay more to produce their products, will they in turn have to pass that on to me and my family in the form of increased costs for the products we use?
Those are the things that I think my Irish Catholic friends will look at for the most part.... And let me assure you, the Reeps will look good under those considerations... Sorry to disappoint you but they aren't going to care which candidate has more houses, or which one has more stocks, or money in the bank... Truth is, one day I have the dream of being in the same financial condition as they are...
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We need good mothers in the home, not in the White House. When all her kids are grown and no longer in need of motherly care (for which there is no replacement), then we can perhaps consider her. Until then, and perhaps even then, Palin would be a negative.
No tokens needed for McCain. Just do no harm.
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Severe lack of logic, really? Well, that's a first.
"For your assertion to be "logically consistent", duties and time demands of being governor would have to be exactly equal to those of being VP."
Exactly? Really? They couldn't be roughly similar and still satisfy your 'standards' for rigorous logic? Or is it that you just didn't like what I had to say, and logical consequence in the way of your viewpoint offends you?
I DID say that I supposed that the VP demands would be LESS, NOT more than gubernatorial responsibilities.
Knowingly choosing to have a down's syndrome baby, as Sarah Palin did, precludes her abandoning her baby. I assume her family would accompany her to Washington.
As for the difficulties the child would face in leaving behind his friends and familiar surroundings...the child is 4 months old... Trig was born April 18th, 2008. I'm sure he'll easily adjust.
I DO agree however that we would be much better off with more mothers like QM. I just disagree with her stated reasons, not as personal choice but as moral judgment of what Palin's acceptance of VP would mean.
I was not 'lecturing' QM, I was pointing out the logical consequence of her position. It was NOT meant as criticism, it was an observation. YOU'RE the one who interpreted it as a put-down of QM, not I.
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Why is it we always come so close to closing the sale then turn off the customer and lose it. Gang of 14 we were so close in getting it all, now the gang of ten we are giving away the store when the polls are at 70% in favor of more oil.
The last thing you want to do now is identity politics with a woman (in hopes of attracting HIllary supporters) and not turn off the conservative base with a pro-lifer like Uncle Joe.
Let's please, go with someone who has depth in interviews, debates, economic expertise and experience with Romney. Let me tell you a little secret. In the end, Hillary supporters are libs and they will vote one way, for the democrat lib.
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Romney didn't even come close to a love tap. All it took was Huckabee in Iowa and Romney was done. Despite all the millions and the time. Instant toast.
He's just too much of a lightweight and too much of a liberal.
He's also too much of a liberal -- pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, pro-socialized health care.
The identity boosters like to pretend that, like Giuliani, his social liberalism doesn't matter. Guess what? It does.
He brings way to many negatives and no positives.
McCain's not picking him.
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because, as is often the case, I was lurking. I don't feel like I have to comment about everything. Some days I don't comment at all. If you haven't noticed, you can make a lot of friends here at TH if you behave. You must have made a ton of enemies here with your vapid, sanctimonious and condescending comments. You wouldn't be so paranoid if you would just stick to one identity, say what you have to say and stop making everything so personal. It would also help you focus if you anchored yourself with own blog. Many of us figured that out a long time ago. When establishing one's credibility online, there is no substitute for a permanent audit trail. |
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You and this poyman could be alter-egos. You both lived in Alaska, both now Texas (follow the oil-brick road).. You seem rational (for the most part), He seems Evange.
Well, here's my thought today, Salty. Assuming the VP pick means 3 to 5 points. Biden is picked because he's solid Irish Catholic; Romney is picked 'cause he's a smart businessman who represents the rich. Who do you think Irish Catholic voters - a key constituency - will choose? Wondering.. |
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You haven't been paying attentio... In two other threads I have posted polls showing the Negatives on potential Running Mates for Mac and Romney has scored the best.... These are polls conducted by national firms.... not the internet.... consequently more reliable... Cuz I like you, I'll post em again: First from Zogby (end of July)
"Among McCain's potential vice presidential picks, former Republican nomination challengers Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney earned the strongest support from likely voters overall, as well as from Republicans and political independents. Among likely voters, 27% would be more likely to support McCain with Huckabee on the ticket, and 26% said the same if Romney were selected. A Huckabee pick would cause 13% of likely voters to be less likely to support McCain, while 11% would be less supportive of the presumptive Republican nominee if he were to choose Romney as his running mate. Among Republicans, 40% would be more likely to support a McCain/Huckabee ticket, while 11% would be less likely - a 29% net positive for the choice of Huckabee. If Romney were to be chosen, 41% of Republicans would be more inclined to vote for McCain, compared to 8% who would be less likely, for a net positive of 33%. Both fare well among political independents, with a 15% net positive for Huckabee and a 17% net positive for Romney if chosen as a running mate by McCain."Romney is the winner, though Huck comes in 2nd, he's not on the VP list and neither is Powell."
"Here is more info on Romney through the Fox poll that was released 8/21/08:Fox Poll: Romney, Biden LeadToday's Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll finds that Mitt Romney and Joe Biden are the favorites among voters.McCain: More Likely/Less Likely/No DifferenceMitt Romney: 29-30-37Joe Lieberman: 20-38-35Tom Ridge: 18-33-39Among Independents, Romney leads Lieberman 20-18. Among Republicans, Romney leads Ridge 49-27."
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nYou haven't been paying attentio... In two other threads I have posted polls showing the Negatives on potential Running Mates for Mac and Romney has scored the best.... These are polls conducted by national firms.... not the internet.... consequently more reliable... Cuz I like you, I'll post em again: First from Zogby (end of July)
"Among McCain's potential vice presidential picks, former Republican nomination challengers Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney earned the strongest support from likely voters overall, as well as from Republicans and political independents. Among likely voters, 27% would be more likely to support McCain with Huckabee on the ticket, and 26% said the same if Romney were selected. A Huckabee pick would cause 13% of likely voters to be less likely to support McCain, while 11% would be less supportive of the presumptive Republican nominee if he were to choose Romney as his running mate. Among Republicans, 40% would be more likely to support a McCain/Huckabee ticket, while 11% would be less likely - a 29% net positive for the choice of Huckabee. If Romney were to be chosen, 41% of Republicans would be more inclined to vote for McCain, compared to 8% who would be less likely, for a net positive of 33%. Both fare well among political independents, with a 15% net positive for Huckabee and a 17% net positive for Romney if chosen as a running mate by McCain."Romney is the winner, though Huck comes in 2nd, he's not on the VP list and neither is Powell."
"Here is more info on Romney through the Fox poll that was released 8/21/08:Fox Poll: Romney, Biden LeadToday's Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll finds that Mitt Romney and Joe Biden are the favorites among voters.McCain: More Likely/Less Likely/No DifferenceMitt Romney: 29-30-37Joe Lieberman: 20-38-35Tom Ridge: 18-33-39Among Independents, Romney leads Lieberman 20-18. Among Republicans, Romney leads Ridge 49-27."
Jorge, Read em and weep....
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For someone lecturing another on logic, your post has a severe lack of it. For your assertion to be "logically consistent", duties and time demands of being governor would have to be exactly equal to those of being VP. Let me point out just one major flaw with your position. To be VP, Ms. Palin would have to either abandon her disabled child in Alaska or uproot him away from his home, friends, familiar surroundings etc. and bring him to Washington DC. That can be difficult for any small child, especially one who is disabled.
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Again, you're wrong.... I'm an Evangelical and I like him.... It's the far right Wackos and folks like you that feel that he bruised Mac in the primaries that have the hang ups.... He's going to be selected.... you need to just get use to
it...
One more thing, for you (a die hard McCain fan) to say that Romney is too Liberal is simply laughable... Romney is viewed by the majority of the Republican base (who don't get hung up on his religion) as far more conservative than McCain. If you had an ounce of objectivity on the matter you would know that.
Like I said, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is on two issues.... are you?
1) Romney will be the selection;
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You actually make some good points on Palin.... I agree that if a person is capable of handling a Governor's position, she is probably capable of being a VP.... But, she simply isn't ready.... |
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and Virginia Patriot's word if you say you did not post under my name. It could have been anyone, just like anyone could post under your name. You can fling the insults and be hyper defensive in your strategy to cripple the GOP to make a point, and attack me without any hestitation when I challenge that attempt at logic--but in your own strange way you mean well.
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Of course, I do.
And Obama
Chooses O'Biden?
Error in judgement?
Yesss, he can!
And there is Pelosi, embarrassing, dumb answers on Catholic doctorine and when life begins; top that with, three times acknowledging, she does not believe natural gas is from fossil fuel! |
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I'm a huge Basketball fan.... In fact, I played College Ball long ago and even coached Varsity Girls HS ball for a couple of years in the state OR.... In my book, the fact that she played and was successful tells me alot about her awareness, her team work, the ability to dig deep inside her, etc... And, from what littl I have seen, she is articulate and smart.... But she is not ready...
Palin is in her early 40's, comes from a state with the smallest popultion (700,000) of any state in the union... and has not had to maneuver or fight on a big stage before.... This election is far too important for her to "train" on....
I would like to see her in the Senate first, or perhaps in a Cabinet Position first, or maybe even in a RNC role.....
I have lived in Alaska and I have a good understanding of Politics in that state... it is rough and tumble, but it is very Local Issue based with very few Population Centers (I think that Anchorage makes up 50% of the entire state population)... I actually was involved in one of the Governor races back in the late 70's as a volunteer... The biggest credential that a candidate could claim back then was the length of time that they had lived in AK.... It is primarily a Republican controlled state and the winner of the Republican Primary usually goes on to win the Governorship...
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Just like in the primaries, Romney alienates more people than he wins over. And his stock has only dropped since his shellacking in the primaries.
Evangelicals do not like him, poyman. Just social liberals, libertarians, and identity politics boosters.
Mitt Romney, as the primaries proves, is a loser of a candidate.
McCain is a maverick not a fool.
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"No way will I vote for someone who needs to be with her young disabled son. I'm not seflish, but it would show me that she is."
Then to be logically consistent, you oppose her being a governor. You oppose any woman with children under 8? from even having a full-time job. You oppose any married woman with young children from getting a divorce...regardless of circumstance.
You cannot oppose her as VP without opposing her as Gov'r.
As for her qualifications, they are better than many. And just as "something is worth what you can get for it" so the 'best' candidate is the one that can get elected. And if McCain isn't elected, you WILL find the alternative of Obama with a democratic congress far more disagreeable.
McCain-Romney MAY be electable but it by no means certain, in fact it is doubtful. The MSM will have a field day framing the campaign as the 'selfish rich' against the voter.
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You guys could not be more wrong... it IS going to be Romney and he will be GREAT... If you guys really don't think that it's going to be him, you should get out there on the Prediction Markets (INTRADE) cuz you could make a Fortune....
Problem is, that you guys don't know what a Conservative is... Romney is loved by the CPAC folks... And, he's loved by simple Evangelical people like myself...
BTW, you both should really understand that you blow your own credibility up when you come out with the wierd anti-Romney statements... Romney is a good guy, he will bring needed strength to the ticket and he will be very effective against Biden... In fact, I'll even go one step further and predict that the ONLY way that the GOP wins in November is with Romney on the ticket...
If either of you would like to put a side wager on it.... I'm up for it...
Palin and Jindal seem to be some good Conservatives in Development but it's not their time.... and they know it... |
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you've outdone yourself at 4:43! However. Sarah P may be all you suggest, but if she is, her time has come and went. After years of neo-conservativism and Bush, and being from Alaska (the Ted Stevens State) - while true, she hasn't shot anybody in the face yet, she looks really cute for the VP pick only at..Heartbreak Hotel.
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Honestly? No way will I vote for someone who needs to be with her young disabled son. I'm not seflish, but it would show me that she is. |
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How about this for a Campaign Add: (With visuals of Sarah posed with Hunting Rifle and DEAD Bear) "Sarah Palin Shoots Grizzlies...Joe Biden Shoots his Mouth" (With various visuals of Biden's flapping self-obssessed Fap Jaw)???
I like it, Cabal Princess. How 'bout you? |
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(I"m also a trueredhead). Mitt Romney would be the best, brightest and MOST QUALIFIED to be president. Period. Most of the country is behind him. The fact that you said that it has 'nothing to do with his religion' says exactly that: it has everything to do with his religion.
That is not being honest with yourself or with us. That would be like me saying I only dislike the idea of Huckabee because of his politics, when it's also his use of religion as a vice, that I also abhorr. |
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But I want a LEADER. Someone READY to be PRESIDENT. I don't want a mother with young chidren. That SHOULD be her FIRST priority. Now, if that's solely a LDS viewpoint, then this country is in HUGE trouble. |
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...to Palin are no doubt sincere, but they are also very transparently related to the personal world view and the proper role for women as espoused by your church. Sarah Palin is not a member of your church. Neither are millions of other women AND men who admire and respect her ability to be both a great mother and exemplary Governor of Alaska.
Mitt Romney would be a VERY poor choice for McCain to make. And for reasons having absolutely nothing to do with his religion. Look back at the primary campaign and you'll see huge stockpiles of ammunition that the Democrats will take delight in firing if McCain makes Romney his running mate. |
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MaryStella,
You left out Palin's athletic prowess:
Point guard for her championship-winning state high school basketball team! |
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Started her career in the mid-1990's, as mayor of Wasilla, in 2006 became the youngest Alaska Governor.
She is a God-Fearing, Gun-toting former beauty queen. She is the governer of a state where gun ownership is a widely Constitutional right. She is life-long card-carrying member of the National Riffle Association. She doubts human activites causes global warming.
She believes key to prosperity and strong energy, U.S., has to have a comprehensive sound drilling policy.
Thus, we can tap on our own national rich resources, with minimum environmental impact.
Most important, Gov. Palin, is pro-life, Pro Human Rights, pro choice for pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness. |
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Despite all the identity cheerleading, it was never going to be a Northern liberal like Romney. He missed his chance at the brass ring when Obama picked someone else.
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[T]here’s also been suspicious activity in Phoenix that suggests intrigue is afoot.
Politico’s Martin Kady II writes in from Arizona: “McCain met for one hour, from about 4 p.m. to 5 p.m. in a private meeting — attendees undisclosed — at the Ritz-Carlton near his condo. He emerged and drove right back to his condo and the pool departed for day. No VIPs were sighted with him.”
Jonathan Martin confirms former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was not at the meeting, but no word yet on who was.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12795.html
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McCain -Palin 08
Just don't hope for energy, vote for it!
it's stronger when you say,
McCain -Palin 08
Don't just HOPE for energy, vote for it!
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Palin’s accomplishments this legislative session
–Agreement for natural gas pipeline
–Energy rebate to Alaskans
–Combat liberal enviro legislation to prevent mining
–Lawsuit over polar bear on the ESL.
She rolls over her opponents. Most popular Govenor in the United States of America.
and.......she shoots moose and ride snowmobiles. Can you all appreciate the narrative that the McCain camp can use?
McCain -Palin 08
Just don't hope for energy,
vote for it!
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No ID politics = LOSING the election.
That's the REALITY of THIS election.
I too wish it were otherwise.
Obama + dem control of the Congress = nightmare
As for Palin's qualifications: she's the most popular governor in the country. She seriously bucked her own party, as a first term gov'r. She has substance than trumps her beauty. Finally, no one is truly 'ready' for the Presidency. If the nominee doesn't have 'the right stuff' nothing else matters. Palin HAS the 'right stuff'.
Plus, she defuses dem charges of same old, same old.
As VP, her son will see MORE of her.
McCain - Palin 08
Don't just HOPE for energy, vote for it!!!!
" I just don't get this argument that she brings Hillary supporters into the fold for McCain."
She won't bring in the Hillery's 'pro-choice comes before feminism" voters, she'll bring in the "I can't pass by an opportunity to vote for a woman AND stick Obama in the eye" voters"
"Limbaugh has given his Papel blessing."
Gets MY vote for the "best line of the day".
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90& voted for Romney over McCain.
Yes there is ID politics in everyhting. My goodness you couldn't see that ID politics played a part in Romney's campaign.
Palin is ready for the presidency just as much as Romney. Mayor for two terms, head of Energy Commission and a succesful GOV.
Queen - you have made your point along with PC. Palin does not have your respect because she is a successful mom and Governor. I got it.
What a visonary you are(not). What a backwards way of thinking. No wonder why Romney lost.
Palin's oldest boy is in the army. Palin is a wonderful mother of five with a son in the army.
What a wonderful family. They must have a great mother. Who happens to be a great GOV. And will be a great VP.
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for the best but expect the worst. Obama refused Clinton ( naturally) and then passed up on Jqack Reed - now he has Joe Biden - Thanks be to God@! and does not have a Chinaman's Chance of winning.
Now, Br'ar McCain may grab the wrong tar baby hissownself!
The Best would be
1. Sara Palin
2. Bobby Jindal
3. Condi Rice
The Conventional Wisdom - hold your nose and vote-
1. Mitt Romney
2. Tom Ridge
3. Joe Liebermann
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Pat I just read your "trim" comment...you sir, are a pig. |
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Even though I don't care for her-Condi Rice would fill the ticket for both being a woman and balck, however I think she is pro-choice... |
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90 percent of mormons vote for Bush, and last check, he was not Mormon.
We like to vote for the best and brightes. Not the least and 'prettiest'. Palin does not cut it for me, and loses my respect as a woman. Family first. Period. |
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Sorry, she's a good person, but not the one I would want to take over the presidency, if need be. That's my qualifications. I could care less that she shoots a gun, goes fishing or is the 'right' religion according to some. I care that she is not ready to be President of the United States. Period. And it's about time we as a country started to reassess where our priorities lie. If we want strong families, we need to have more than a 'mr. mom' doin all the work. Her son needs his mom. Maybe that's why our society is failing so much. |
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The pubs are in better shape than i thought . The arguments are strong for all mentioned. But please . no liberman no pawlenty . As the arguments show we can go better. Joe and Tim are nice decent men but , if i want to vote dem i will vote dem . As for Pawlenty , his debate skills are weak. No one that listens to him can belive he can jump in as commander if mac has a problem. Mac is a man of " a certain age " . This must be considered.. |
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I'm just waiting to see what he's (they're) up to this time. It's always something. |
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I have googled. her. I'm sure being the veep won't be 'as hard'. But what if she had to be president? then what.
No person can take the place of a mother. You can say daddy daddy daddy. And daddys are very important. But mothers have a special calling. Only she can be the mother.
I can't vote for her. I'l wait until her children are older. |
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Queeenmom, don't worry about Sarah Palin being a mother of 5 -- She has the drive to be a Governor AND a mother, I think she could be a VP, which has arguably LESS duties than a Governor. Also, her hubby is a "Mr.Mom", who takes care of the kids.
Do yourself a favor, and google her, and look at some of the ads on youtube that talk about her qualifications and background. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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to sit around the fire, and watch the evening tire, while my old friends (Paddy, VA Pat, P Phil, Scarlet) and some old lady (Kimberly) sit and... you know.
Actually Kimmie may not be too comfortable sitting around the fire with us, but I guess if she wanted to do the dishes...
We could even invite Joe and his other brothers Joe too. |
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McCainRomney. I am a registered Independent. So I would like to hear from all Advertisers. Whether your an Independent, Republician or Democrat. Also, I would be willing to listen to offers for this domain name. Thank you for visiting, Terry Graham.
HHHEEEEHHEE!
The John McCain campaign is spending money on a website devoted to McCainpalin and are updating this site all the time.
Michael Steele said this morning that Palin is being looked at. Laura Ingram has jump aboard. Limbaugh has given his Papel blessing.
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http://www.mccainpalin.com/
Take a look at this site. It's paid for by John McCain 08 campaign.
HHHEEEHHHEEEEEE!!!!!!
McCain - Palin 08
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Are you sure you want to mix Kimberly's gift for vitriol with armed men under tension...? I'm just sayin'.
She's probably try to unionize us for cryin' out loud....! |
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Give me a break Queen.
95% of Mormons vote for Romney. But your against ID politics. What a joke!
Palin has the highest POP rating in the country for a GOV of a state = %80. PERIOD!!!!
She just so happens to do it as a women.
She just so happens to be an authority on energy.
She just so happens to bring in a new narrative for the GOP.
Romney supporters say that Romney helps in NV % CO - yeah he does because of ID plitics(Mormon).
But Qwueen says enough with ID politics.....I can feel the wind coming out of the ROMBOTs sails.
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I think he's really rounded the bend this time. |
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If you are committed to the idea of an elitist rich liberal VP, then why not do yourself some good and pick Arlen Specter who might at least counter Biden's Pennsylvania strengths.
Romney is not a conservative, and folks like Hewitt (I still love ya Hugh) have really distracted the energy of conservatives. We have been so busy trying to educate the cult-committed that we have not been able to jump in 100% behind our nominee. I'm afraid we won't jump in if McCain screws this decision up and picks Arlen Specter, Romney, Ridge, or Lieberman. |
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Now he's not even sure of his own names and writing.
I posted once under "Joe Isuzu Surrenders America" just to show you how foolish it was.
Guess you didn't get it. |
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If you (or your gang) don't take back your last post, I will go after you personally in a very big way. You are having a nervous breakdown. Is this the latest little game you are playing to lure me in and then accuse me of yet another lie? You post under so many names maybe your little gang can't keep straight who is who? Or maybe one among you isn't happy? Maybe it's the Joe from VA? Or the Joe from NY? Who knows? But say what you have to say and enough with the insane personal attacks. |
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From what I know about her, she seems like an incredibly impressive person. Approval ratings like hers don't grow on trees and her conservative credentials seem beyond question. I just don't get this argument that she brings Hillary supporters into the fold for McCain. If picking a pro-choice Veep is going to alienate his pro-life base, how does bringing in somebody so staunchly pro-life encourage crossover votes from one of the most vocally pro-choice constituencies in the country? |
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This is more political analysis from the guy who posted a "Romney Rising" entry a couple of times a week as Romeny was crashing and burning.
Just say "NO!" to Romney! He overspent and lost badly for a reason.
I'd go for Meg Whitman, Gen. Petraeus or Bobby Jindal first.
Pawlenty? He might deliever the crucial state of Minnesota! Wowsers! |
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Am I insane? No. You just engaged in a little "handle" plagerism/mischief, pretending to be me, and got caught at it with this post:
"Joe's Sanity vs Defeatocon's Insanity writes: Monday, August, 25, 2008 1:55 PM
Paddy
Now you're beginning to sound like a defeatocon."
No wonder you are supporting Obama-Biden.
But to answer Paddy's question, I would support Kimberley doing the dishes. |
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Is Gov Palin was a male, would we even be having this converation? I doubt it.
Stop ID poltics. |
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...he is such a nice guy that the media will make endless sport of his religion (also mine), his looks, his wealth, his career, his family. He seems so perfect. I hope my son turns out just like him. I hope my daughters marry men just like him.
Two choices make sense to me. Rudi G. or Sarah Palin.
I think Rudi can be nasty enough to tear Biden to shreds in a debate. I think family values voters will tolerate him because he is a known quantity, as long as McCain vows to appoint SCOTUS judges who will respect the constitution. Independent voters would like the ticket.
Palin would blunt Biden's attacks. He would have a hard time trying to beat up on her in debates without looking like a bully. Values voters will really like her. Even Mormons would like her, especially if she makes a couple visits to the Mountain West. She may even get a few Hillary supporters.
Give Mitt a couple cabinet jobs (one at a time). Tell him to pull out his choppin' axe and whitlin' knife and start cutting some of these bloated government institutions down to size. |
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Great combination: Vpat can shoot dinner....PPhil can insinuate it onto our plates.
Scarlet would be great undercover (those Frenchies seek him everywhere....), and Maine would be a great motivator under fire (Remember the Maine....).
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Qweenmum,
I agree that children are any parents primary responsibility. I do wish Palin's children were older for the very reasons you mention.
However, being Gov. is a full time job and arguably a MORE demanding one than VP. So, Palin would actually have more time for her parental duties as VP.
As VP, Palin would receive on-the-job training and be perfectly positioned for 2012...
A woman republican nominee in 2012 would put to rest dem charges that the party is just an old white men's party.
Politics is about MORE than the 'issues' because it's also about leadership and appeal. Appeal is what causes people to pay attention so that leadership may convince them to follow. |
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McCain choosing Palin puts to rest the most powerful argument the dems have against McCain: he's 4 more years of Bush.
Romney as VP does NOT do that.
d'brit,
Nobody has said it better then you just did.
I have tried, but I have failed many times over.
Brillant d'brit, Brillant! |
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Heck even VP and Phil are welcome. As are Scarlet and Maineconservative.
I just hope it does not become necessary. |
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This is NOT me:
"Joe's Sanity vs Defeatocon's Insanity writes: Monday, August, 25, 2008 1:55 PM
Paddy
Now you're beginning to sound like a defeatocon."
That is Virginia Patriot or Pasadena Phil (or some other mischief making) using the handle |
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I still plan on bringing a guitar to the fire.... |
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poyman,
I have nothing against Romney on the issues and I have a favorable impression of him. I agree that wealth is a good thing and ideally you are correct, a VP 'should' be, on the issues and in resume too, the best qualified person.
That said, the 'best' conservative ticket would LOSE this election hands down.
The country wants a dem in the white house. If Hillary's last name wasn't Clinton, she'd be a no-brainer to win AND she WOULD be the dem nominee.
Fortunately, the dems never miss an opportunity to snatch defeat from the arms of victory.
That's what they've done with Obama IF the repubs offer a VIABLE alternative. And by viable I mean to the middle-of-the-roaders, who WILL decide the election. With McCain we're half-way there but the 'right' VP pick can close the deal.
Romney MIGHT close the deal, but it will be VERY close. Palin closes the deal EASILY.
Make Romney the Secretary of Commerce and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget.
Make Lieberman Secretary of State too. Those choices would shore up McCain's claim to take the economy seriously and would demonstrate a "more-reasonable-but-still-strong-foreign-policy than Bush.
It really comes down to this: this year the VP pick CAN make a difference because just as Biden puts the lie to Obama's change mantra and indicates Obama's agreement that he's weak on foreign policy...McCain choosing Palin puts to rest the most powerful argument the dems have against McCain: he's 4 more years of Bush.
Romney as VP does NOT do that. |
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KNOWS ows energy. She is a smart women. She has been a great leader in Alaska. There have been many leaders with young children. Palin came back to work in three days with trig wrapped around her body as she sign some bills that she passed.
Palin just got the pipeline passsed after 20+ years of debate.
Palin got it passed, thank GOD she did not listen to people like you Qween who wants her to shut down her brains and her leadership because she has children at home.
The reason I bring up the NRA and prolife stuff is because she has been that her whole life in and out of politics. She is trusted by ALL the conservatives unlike Romney who was somehting else as a candidate for SEN of MASS.
McCain+Palin = Maverick - Reform - Energy - Country First
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From Palin I'd take it and ask for seconds; from a PC dweeb he be looking at the business end of his colon before he finished his sentence. See. |
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Now you're beginning to sound like a defeatocon. |
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Part of it is fighting (in a civil argumentative way) with the insurgent Defeatocons who will post dozens of posts about McCain being a vote for amnesty and how the only way conservatives win is losing.
Fair enough comment however. |
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She's not experienced enough to take on the country. she governs a state that has less people in it than the City of Salt Lake. she has a young family that needs her. I seriously doubt the rigors of running Alaska is as difficult as a national campagin.
This is what I'm hearing about Palin: (none of which make her qualified). She's pretty. she's evangalical. She shoots a gun. Sorry, but I expect more out of my president and vice president. I also expect them to put their families FIRST. Her children are still very young, and they need their mom. Especially that little new one of hers. show her in a few years. Say 8-10. Her kids will be teenagers then and young adults. I'd be more inclinded to take a second look. But so far, the only quals I hear is she has the looks and the right faith. Look how well those qualifcations are working in Argentina... |
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What is going on here? Two if not three consecutive posts that were cogent, thoughtful, and worthwhile... you off your meds or something?
Wooooooooooooooooooow. Somebody check Hades, it's surely frozen over. |
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I'm an Evangelical and a middle income white guy....and my guy is Romney. |
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...posts the same stupid comment on every thread..... |
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You don't pick someone because they are Female, or because they are Black, or Hispanic, or Italian or anything else.... You pick them because of their strengths, because they are Presidential and could take over when called upon to do so, and because of their strengths....
It makes no difference that McCain and his wife own 7 houses (or whatever it is), or that the Kennedy family is obsenely wealthy, or that FDR came from a very wealthy family.... what matters is their position on issues that impact the Economy, that get people jobs, and that keep the money they earn in their pockets, and all the while keeping them safe.... McCain is very anti-spending, anti excess Entitlement, anti-Tax Increase and supportive of free trade.... So is Romney and so would anybody that would come with McCain as a partner on the ticket....
In addition Romney has proven his Fiscal aptitude when he took the Olympics from losing over a $B and turned in a surplus, or when he took over the Governorship of MA (the bluest state in the union and the home of excess entitlements) when it was over $2B in debt and handed it off to the next Governor 4 years later with a surplus and promises from Compnaies to come back into MA and offer more Jobs....And, he did both of these assignments without a salary (he refused to take one)or any legislative favors (i.e. a special deal on a house that he lives in suh as Obama)...
Yes, McCain and Romney have money.... but it was earned and in Romney's case it was earned... We should be proud of that.... we shouldn't be trying to hide it... |
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Please come to Denver in August.
Nutroots will drive Fox into the mountains so far
that it can not be found.
And throw "I love you" posts on Daily Kos
And then smoke weed all at night till they come back around.
Please come to Denver.
Hillary said, "No.
Dems, would you come home to me?"
And Hillary said, "Hey, Democrats,
Why don´t you settle down?
Obama is just a silly clown.
There aint no gold and
There aint nobody like me.
Hillary's even better than the Goracle from Tennessee.
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Trim is a slang anatomical reference.
Sarah would probably punch you in the mouth if you called her that to her face. |
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Thank you. Palin will touch the hearts of Middle America. Palin will go to the rural towns and share her culture and values in a way that only she can do. As a lifetime member of the NRA and pro-life she will be a perfect choice. She can drive the energy issue home to all Americans. Palin will be able to reach the suburban women who knows the difficulties of gasing up at $4.00 a gallon while buying the baby food which is also going up in price due to inflation in the energy prices. Romney does not reach the voters in a romantic, emotional way in which is needed. I know the McCain camp sees this. Palin is still being talked about. How can they turn away from her now when they see what iss going on in CO at the convention. |
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Gov. Palin generates a solid understanding of executive power - witness her management of Alaskan government which make Chicago politics look like Public Television.
She is tough, witty and smarter than a roomful of Rhodes scholars. Most of them couldn't find a Chinaman on 22nd Street. |
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who would energize the evangelicals and attract the Reagan Democrats. If there is, that is JSM's logical and most viable VP nominee.
Energize the evangelicals and attract the Reagan Democrats is the pathway to victory in November.
I am neither and evangelical nor a Reagan Democrat. I am however a former Reagan Democrat and still know many Reagan Democrats. I am not as familiar with the evangelicals. However, I do know the evangelicals will not be energized by a pro-choice or pro-same-sex sodomite VP. |
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I think that is a net loss for McCain. It could only work if Lieberman pledges to be pro life and appoint conservative justices if he ever becomes President. But that is a big if and a leap of faith for everyone.
Plus, doesn't Lieberman help the GOP more remaining in the Senate? Wouldn't Conn. immediately get a more liberal Dem Senator if he left?
Romney is good. Pawlenty is good.
My dream pick is Palin with an engery platform (which will play well not only with the Upper Midwest but Nationwide and she will also appeal to disenfranchised Hillary voters). But I think that is a long shot. I am leaning Romney, followed by Cantor-Pawlenty tied. Cantor helps in VA, PA, and FL. Pawlenty in MN, WI, and OH. |
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LOLOLOL.... You think that because Biden has been involved in approving the President's appointees for the USSC that that makes him better qualified on Judicial Appointments??? PUlleeze.... a Chimpanzee could do that and probably better.... I remember watching the Thomas hearings that were actually being chaired by Biden and he was totally disrespectful and antagonistic.... in fact, can you say "RACIST"??
You're big slogan on Thomas is that he was too inexperienced for that type of an appointment.... but now you run a guy who has been in the Senate for 20 minutes and according to Hillary, "brings nothing to the Presidency but a speech he made in 2004" and you think that that's all okay.... In fact Biden, the Racist, is actually running with him now.... Oh what pride we swallow if we are Far Left Wackos.... Can you spell "H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S"?? |
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Whoops. They're going to have to lock Biden away like they did Obama's wife.
This guy was supposed to *help* the ticket?
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Biden also stumbled through a discourse on race and education, leaving the impression that he believes one reason that so many District of Columbia schools fail is the city's high minority population. His campaign quickly issued a statement saying he meant to indicate that the disadvantages were based on economic status, not race.
After a lengthy critique of Bush administration education policies, Biden attempted to explain why some schools perform better than others -- in Iowa, for instance, compared with the District. "There's less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you're dealing with," Biden said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/1 0/24/AR2007102402716_pf.html
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Hugh makes a strong argument for Romney.
He doesn't however address Doug's salient point; "After hearing Obama's and Biden's Springfield speeches, it is clear that the Democrat's campaign is steering directly toward a populist, economic theme. McCain will be painted as an out of touch 7-home owner, and Romney, a wealthy billionaire (almost) who "looks like the guy who just laid you off."
Romney means a conventional campaign with a semi-energized base, that WON'T get the job done.
If McCain picked a black VP, he would be accused of transparent political pandering and many independents would view it in that light.
But the 'right' woman; and the energy issue and Obama's rejection of Hillary make Palin that woman, would 'electrify' the election.
Some of Hillary's voters are more dem than feminist but many are just the opposite. McCain doesn't need to get all the undecided's, just 'enough'.
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And then he accepted the VP candidate spot from someone that Geraldine Ferarro called a token.
It's a goldmine of riches.
McCain's VP doesn't have to bring a thing. He just needs to do no harm (which eliminates Hugh's preference).
Biden's been an early washout in two throw-it-up-and-see-if-it-sticks swats at the democratic nomination. McCain is the one who has been through the fire, in 2000.
And then, you have Obama, the leftist abortionist Kenyan tribesman friend of terrorists and protégé of radicals.
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Probably wishing, hoping and praying Lieberman. "Birds of a feather", after all. |
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U r going to have to speak a little louder.... The Prediction Markets are saying it's Romney, Mark Halperin is saying that he heard it from two soures close to McCain that it is Romney, Some News Stations are saying it's Romney from the sources they have, The Mainline National Polls point to Romney (i.e.Zogby, Fox and Rasmussen)as the Candidate than can help the ticket the most, State Polls in MI,CO,and NV say Romney could contribute in a major way to potential GOP victories, And mutitudes of us (me included)would be delighted with a Romney selection....
McCain-Romney 2008
Mark your calendars for 10/2/08 cuz that is when Romney will surprise everyone in his debate with Biden... |
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Kristol has morphed into Gergen. Joe Lie?? Puleeze. John could pick Palin, Jindal, Kay Bailey, Mitt and still do better than the Biden pick. Listen to al those Biden gaffes over the years. The dis of Petraeus, the arrogance, the bragging of his own IQ=plagerizing , yeah Josey. Only the Zogby flash poll has Biden as a positive and he always overpolls Dems. Be bold John and do not fail to pick a conservative. You will actually have a real chance to win this thing and cut down on Dem Congressional gains. |
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A lot of comments have been made about Palin. She is obviously an impressive lady with good credentials. It seems like she would add a lot to the ticket, but would she be able to take over the presidency if anything happened to McCain? This is one concern I have. I need to learn more about her--I just don't have an in-depth knowledge of her capabilities. |
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After hearing Obama's and Biden's Springfield speeches, it is clear that the Democrat's campaign is steering directly toward a populist, economic theme. McCain will be painted as an out of touch 7-home owner, and Romney, a wealthy billionaire (almost) who "looks like the guy who just laid you off."
Middle America and the rust belt states will not respond favorably to silver spoon Romney. McCain has to change course towards JINDAL, THUNE, HUTCHINSON, HUCKABEE, PALIN, or PETRAEUS.
Dear John McCain, Please don't pick any of these carbon copies: Tom Ridge, Mitt Romney, Arlen Specter. |
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Wheeeeeeee...
"I think that the only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black. I don't believe he could have won had he been white. And the reason is, I think it was a cynical ploy by President Bush."
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066806/posts
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More of a "plop", really. Or a "thud". |
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At the rate this is going, McCain could pick Ron Paul for VP and still take 40 states.
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In a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll out Sunday night, 47 percent of those questioned are backing Obama with an equal amount supporting the Arizona senator.
“This looks like a step backward for Obama, who had a 51 to 44 percent advantage last month,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/24/cnn-poll-po st-biden-poll-shows-dead-heat/
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on this board shrilly leaping to the defense of Obama-Biden??? The old goat could pick Alfred E. Neuman or Maxwell Smart and still KO O-B in the first round now. I'm still recovering my breath from laughing yesterday when I saw this news. Dumb and Dumberer.
Mr. Rove, we need to increase microphone production to complete Operation Kaos! |
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In fact, I believe Palin or KBH would put them off of McCain. It's a bad, bad idea and I hope McCain doesn't go there.
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Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated, with full votes.
Hillary's campaign reports that she is "fully behind Obama". (The better to slip the knife in his back, my dear.)
Thic could get very interesting... |
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pro-life mom of disabled child, Salvation Army board member, lifetime NRA member.
And as Neo says, easy on the eyes.
Yes, I can see why conservatives are salivating at the prospect of Sarah Palin as VP candidate.
And would probably prefer to see her at the top of the ticket!
http://www.nndb.com/people/845/000118491/ |
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as continually stated on these threads: Juanito grabs some high-profile pressies, boards his campaign jet for Anchorage, has a closed door meeting with Sarah, comes out with her and huge smiles AND Cindy on one side...To announce that Sarah's the One...AND, also he announces his sudden Road-to-Damascus Conversion--with Gov.Palin's help--to Drilling in ANWR and the Lower 48.
**ALSO, as is well known, McCain has more ways of irritating me than any Democrat of recent vintage. Thus, I ain't holding my breath for MY Dream.** |
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But it wont be him.
Ive always wanted McCain to pick someone of a minority persuasion primarily because the last card Obama has to play is minroty standard voe for me or your a racist card.
Still what I want to happen and what will (or should) happen are two different things. Romney is a smart choice. He will play very well in Nevada, Utah, Colorado and even more importantly Michigan and Ohio. His economic credentials would be better than any of the other three ticket toppers. Pawlenty I think would be a mistake. He isnt really conservative and he will not deliver Minnesota. He doesnt HURT McCain..but he wont do anythign to help him at all.
Either a minority of some sort or Romney seem to be the only reasonable options.
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Palin is the one.
Lieberman? Hutchinson? Have people lost their minds? Obama's choice of Biden has opened the door so wide for a woman -- the right woman, that is -- only a true Republican could miss the opportunity (so maybe there's still hope for McCain). McCain needs a smart, tough, relatively young, executive-experienced woman to trump the "change" democrats and shake this farce up a little. We need some authentic audacity for a change here, ladies and gentlemen. Go Palin. |
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Steele just said that McCain is looking for a domestic VP. He mentioned Pawlenty, Romney and Palin. Steele added at the end of his dicussion that Palin has been talked about for 6 months and is still being looked at by the McCain camp even though she just had a baby. YYYEEEESSSSS!!!!
Palin is the answer. The 72 year old man McCain must show he still is the maverick. Show your independent streak. Be bold. Palin will drive the energy issue. She is a Conservative. GOD I LOVE IT!!!
McCain/Palin 08.
Can you feel it NeoConScum?!!!??? I think you can.
So does McCain go to Alaska, or does Palin go to Arizona for the VP announcement? HHuummmm..very interesting decesion.
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debate footage either. But, hugely articulate, reasoned, smart and tough--ALL the while, maintaining the Drop-Dead Beauty. I can see Slow-Joe putting on that smarmy grin of his at a debate and doing just a tad of talking down to her, accompanied by some sleazy Bidenism...And, she'll smile radiantly & eviscerate the Dweeb. And, look fabulous doing it. She shoots Grizzly Bears for sport. Senators-for-Life who've never been further than the Cloakroom and Delaware in 4-decades ain't gonna intimidate Sarah.
C'Mon, Johnny Little! Break your habit of pi**ing Neo off and make it Palin! |
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I too wish Sen. McCain would choose Sarah Palin.
But he'll pick Romney (boring). |
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if not for the current unpleasantness.
I assume they do debates in AK. How well does she perform in that format?
YouTube has some speeches and panel discussions which feature Sarah Palin, but no debate clips. |
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Keep saying that Briggsy. Maybe if you say it enough times you will start to believe it yourself. You know in your heart that a women pick from McCain would be an electrifying moment in this election. The energy that a Palin pick would make would be earth shattering. So you keep pumping this cloud business. It's kind of funny really. The brother in law has been married 4 times and he is only thrity years old. He has been making threats for years. Been in trouble with the law many times. Yet he's the man everyone will have sympathy with. YUK YUK YUK! Obamas lead among the women vote is about 9pts . Romney & Pawlenty do not help to make that lead dissapear..but a Palin VP selection does.
And you know that don't you Briggsy?!!
Keep spinning, keep spinning. HEEHHHEEEE!!!!! |
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What about former Lt. Gov. Michael Steele? |
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ticket would really bring lightening bolts to the campaign. I'm touched--truly touched--by Briggsy's concern for us if Sarah got the nod. As, I've no doubt, you are as well. BWHAAAAAA!!
Unless Bernardine Dohrn is a secret Sarah friend, her "cloud" is BS by any comparison to The Messiah this year. |
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work out for Sarah Palin.
She is under a bit of a cloud right now. |
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McCain's numbers are looking good. He just needs to finish the sell with Hillary supporters and at the same time re-enerigizes his base. What's the one choice McCain could make for VP to achieve those two things....huuuummmmmmmm.......Palin!!!!
McCain has to be looking at possible women candidates. He just has to be. Be bold McCain. Be a maverick McCain. Don't take the comfortable choice=Pawlenty. Don't take the conventional/Talk Radio candidate choice=Romney.
Take a leap of faith McCain! Jump!11 We'll catch ya!!
McCain/Palin 08 - Don't just hope for energy, vote for it!!!! |
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