Tuesday, August 26, 2008
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Cardinal Egan of New York Blasts Pelosi Deception. MSM Blackout Continues
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
5:25 PM
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Yet another major American Catholic leader blasts Nancy Pelosi's deception on Sunday's Meet the Press, but the MSM refuses to cover what is an unprecedented rebuke of a major American political figure by Roman Catholic hierarchy. Egan's statement:
STATEMENT OF HIS EMINENCE, EDWARD CARDINAL EGAN CONCERNING REMARKS MADE BY THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Like many other citizens of this nation, I was shocked to learn that the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States of America would make the kind of statements that were made to Mr. Tom Brokaw of NBC-TV on Sunday, August 24, 2008. What the Speaker had to say about theologians and their positions regarding abortion was not only misinformed; it was also, and especially, utterly incredible in this day and age.
We are blessed in the 21st century with crystal-clear photographs and action films of the living realities within their pregnant mothers. No one with the slightest measure of integrity or honor could fail to know what these marvelous beings manifestly, clearly, and obviously are, as they smile and wave into the world outside the womb. In simplest terms, they are human beings with an inalienable right to live, a right that the Speaker of the House of Representatives is bound to defend at all costs for the most basic of ethical reasons. They are not parts of their mothers, and what they are depends not at all upon the opinions of theologians of any faith. Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being “chooses” to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name.
Edward Cardinal Egan
Archbishop of New York
August 26, 2008
UPDATE: Mike Allen and others interviewed Pelosi today, and she was apparently not asked about her attempt to deceive the public about the Church's position on abortion and this unprecedented criticism from American Catholic Church leaders in response. For easy reference, here's a link to the statement blasting Pelosi from Cardinal Rigali and Bishop Lori and here's the statement from Archbishop Chaput and Bishop Conely.
It is remarkable that this story hasn't made it into the MSM --which means either the MSM doesn't pay attention to the Roman Catholic leadership or that they are covering for Pelosi and her abortion extremism, and by extension, Obama's.
UPDATE 2: Washington D.C. Archbishop Wuerl joined the condemnation of Pelosi's deception:
Washington Archbishop Donald Wuerl, citing the teaching responsibility entrusted to bishops, issued a statement late Monday that read, in part: "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable."
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Finally, our Catholic leaders are speaking up. Almighty God and His Only Son our Lord Jesus Christ will be with them and bless them for defending the weakest among us. Truly they have heard our Lord's words, "Whatsoever you do to the least of these, that you do unto Me." |
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Of course there is a media blackout, this is a conversation the tenor of which the democrats cannot afford, and do not want to have right now.
Ms. Pelosi has brought it out into the front row of discourse and thats not what they wanted. A conversation / debate about this is hardly what the MSM wants to do in light of Obama’s stance on abortion is.
A very very Hot Potato right now and Madam Pelosi just put it front and center .....Dang it !!!!!
Good that the church is doing this, they have been clear as a bell.
Oh wait, The Pope is in the tank for McCain didn't you know. |
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Wow. I thought the other statements were tough. The condemnations just keep getting better. What i love about this one, it also takes on the part of Speaker Pelosi's where she says that what theologians, doctors, etc., say shouldn't matter any how.. .should have no impact on a woman's right to choose. The woman's right is absolute. |
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I double checked with a friend I went to Catholic school with. She confirmed what I thought I remembered from our religious instruction classes during our senior year, that the Catholic Church has not always taught that abortion is a sin.
I don't know if what Nancy Pelosi says is exactly what I learned, but it seems to be pretty similar.
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different memories than the rest of us... ;-)
The Catholic Church was always against the Pill for that reason, you silly troll! |
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From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
"2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish .(74)
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.(75)" Here is the link: http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/catechismonabort ion.htm
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Good to see, sane woman, that your friend who went to Catholic school trumps the word of America's bishops and leaders of the Church.
Perhaps it's more accurate that you and your friend were not paying attention during your religion classes! |
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Haven't heard anything from him-when is this woman (and other pro-abort politicians trying to have it both ways) going to be cut off from communion? |
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and Charles Curran taught at Catholic U. Now that you know the Church's position on abortion you should be able to throw Obambi under the bus without any qualms. |
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Catholic heirarchy versus Nancy Pelosi commentaries.
Don't make me launch the obvious torpedo. |
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Rip,
Yes, these are the teachings of the Church and have been for quite some time. But in school we studied a lot about bible history and the history of the church, as for example the development of requiring celibacy of the priesthood and our Friday fasting.
What we learned was that the doctrines of the Church on abortion had changed over time. Much of this concerned when the Church believed a fetus became ensouled.
This corresponds with what Nancy Pelosi said.
I wound up googling this and found the following:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_hist.htm
This supports what I remember from Catholic school.
Pax Vobiscum! |
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gave them a voting guide. Did he also tell you that Jesus said nowhere that the Government is supposed to provide charity, but that you were obligated to do so as a Christian individual? That also would let out the higher taxes for medical insurance, etc.
As far as Iraq being a just war, you tell me if they are better off now. And then tell me why the gutless Vatican was not covering the abuses going on there? We all know that CNN knew it; so must have the Vatican have known it. Just like they weren't moral enough to speak out on the scandal of the Hussein administration (and now the way that Chavez is treating HIS citizens) they show that they are either afraid or ignorant. And I won't listen to either standing on matters that do not relate to heaven.
As far as the teenagers are concerned, where is that priest's moral leadership? He has presumably confirmed most of these "skulls of mush" and has therefore been able to teach them. Maybe he is really not a very good teacher? |
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You wrong again.
There are more pro-life, in Catholic Church, and those you mentioned will call are few and usually do not support the church anyway.
Personally, I support (financially) most the pro-life Catholic causes, even if the support was not there, the Church should stand up for what morally is right.
The younger generation, gladly are more pro-life, than their elder.
The next election, again, the liberals will be taken by surprise! |
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Proponents of killing babies in our out of the womb do not believe in God. Nor do they believe in Christ, our saviour.
That is the end of the debate. I don't care what God you follow. You cannot kill children and follow Heavenly Father. It's not possible. Even left wing common sense (oxymoron?) can figure that out. |
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Let’s start referring to the MSM as the DLM, the “dominant liberal media”—referring to them as mainstream is more complimentary than derogatory, which the intent is to highlight their all-embracing bias. |
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Sane Woman,
The "changes" that you're referring to are differing canon law penalties set down for abortion taking place at different points in the pregnancy. The understanding of full, rational ensoulment was based, as it had to have been, on the imperfect science of the time (primarily Aristotle). At NO POINT in the history of the Catholic Church has abortion been considered morally acceptable by the Magisterium or any Doctors of the Church. It has always been considered a serious sin, with a range of penalties based on outdated science. The morality has never been in question, and the science of when life begins is no longer in question, which vindicates the Church's stance, having been correct even without complete scientific knowledge for almost 200 years. Your friend is wrong. Sorry.
Pax. |
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Regardless of past Catholic teaching, what you were taught formerly, and how the Church's stance on abortion has or has not changed over time, Pelosi spoke with authority on national television about Catholic doctrine confusion as it relates to today or contemporary thinking. The Church and its representatives have every "right" to set the doctrine straight or the confusion as it is interpreted today. Your defense of Pelosi is erroneous. |
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Once again, the liberal wing of the Democratic Party has failed to show moral leadership on a variety of issues. This was particularly evident with Obama’s response to Pastor Rick Warren’s questions about the rights of infants. Obama responded that he didn’t know when life begins. He even supports late term abortions. The Democrats like to present themselves as a defender of the common people. In reality, it has been Republicans who have lead the way in many human rights issues. Ironically, it has been Republican leaders of the past -- leaders like Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King, Jr. – who made it possible for the likes of Obama to get where he is now! The party was also a leader in voting rights for women. Today, the majority of Republicans are still the most ardent defenders of human rights, from the smallest and helpless (babies) to the oppressed around the world (Soviet Union to Iraq) - while many Democrat leaders like Obama represent no change at all. |
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I often disagree with my Church on many issues since I am a monogamously partnered gay man and have been for many years.
However, I agree with my Church when it comes to abortion. Abortion is murder, plain and simple.
As for Nancy Pelosi, she needs to reread the writings she claims to have studied in formulating her opinion on the matter of abortion and when life begins. If she should ever do this, I promise she'll make a mad scramble to correct herself if only to get the votes of loyal Catholics in her congressional district.
What a cynical, inept woman! |
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Jan,
Nancy Pelosi is a bit older than I am, but as a Roman Catholic in Catholic school she was probably taught as I was. She probably learned the same about the Church's shifting stands on abortion, as I did.
She has every right to speak about her faith. |
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..."I hear McCain and his sidekick Lieberman still feels Hagee's anti-Catholic support is a bonus, especially after James Dobson ridiculed him for being an adulterer. Perhaps we can ask the Arch bishop his views on that as well. And while we're at it, what are his thoughts on death due to illegal war? "
The dems biggest mouth makes a fool & liar of herself, and the lefties can only say "oh yeah? well, uh. your guy did such & such!"
And, if by "illegal war" you mean the chinese occupation of Tibet or Russia's invasion of georgia, then i agree with you fully.
What?...surely you don't mean the fighting in Iraq? 14 UN resolutions and congressional approval mean it can not be an illegal war.
Congressional approval.
Get it?
I doubt it.
annoy a leftie...use facts
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to be sacred. That means that abortion is just as illegal in the eyes of the Church as execution. You can't pick and chose which passages you like. That means that no God Fearing Catholic can vote anyone that believes in execution. |
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I'd love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary," McCain told the Chronicle in 1999. "But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."
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(Tuesday, August, 26, 2008 10:50 PM):
One doesn't have to be stupid to be a liberal, but it IS easier that way. |
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O'Reilly talked about it a bit and if I call correctly (was running around the house with things) it was mentioned on H&C.
It was nice to the the letter the Republicans sent her about this too. |
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Church has been teaching this for 2000 years? Maybe it would be a good idea to go back and check just when the Catholic Church became a Church. |
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statistically conservatives procreate at a more rapid rate that liberals...
statistically if your in your mother's womb, and she is a liberal you unfortunately have a very good chance of being yanked out in pieces by forceps...
for those democrats not aborting potential liberals, as often as not they are of incapable of procreating due to their chosen lifestyle...
given time these imbiciles will simply fade away...genetic justice!
by the way where does husseins mentors rev's wright and pfleger (phlegm sound) stand in all this? |
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The Catholic Church claims its origin back to Simon Peter, which is in the range of 35 AD. What is your point? Are you complaining about over-estimation of about 20 years? If so, what about Obama's claim of 20 years of experience in anything? |
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Nancy's point on Sunday was to take heat off from Obama. You know we can't affect he election in the liberal bastion of SF, and the chance she becomes speaker again is pretty small, barring a Democrat blowout. What we need to do is stay on task and focus on "Lord High Obama" who made the Saddleback comments, not some lightweight no-intellect who is trying to take off the pressure. |
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"But in school we studied a lot about bible history and the history of the church, as for example the development of requiring celibacy of the priesthood and our Friday fasting"
I am sorry to hear that you and your friend (and possibly also Nancy Pelosi) were mistaught in school by a dissident twisting historical facts to promote an anti-Church agenda.
But unless you left school this last June, you've had time to do a lttle more reading and thinking on your own and figure out that what you were spoonfed in school is not true. Read for yourself what the early Church Fathers wrote on abortion. Maybe the lie is easier and more convenient to believe. But as an adult "That's what I was taught in high school" is a lame excuse for ignoring 2000 years of consistent Church teaching.
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The Catholic Church has always been categorically against abortion, period, end of story.
Notwithstanding the fact that many Christians know very little about their own theology, if one justifies abortion, he is speaking, what is essentially blasphemy.
"I AM," is Being...life; there can be no ontology of Being, nor dignity of "Personhood," in Trinity; imaged in humanity, if "being" can be indiscriminately murdered in the womb! Abortion is a direct assault upon God..."I knew you in your mother's womb."
Any rationalization here, like I have even seen in some Catholic Bishops and in the young evangelical movement, to imply, for example, that ROE V WADE will never be overturned, therefore, it's OK to vote social justice issues, ie Democratic...is ABSOLUTELY to rationalize evil. |
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Conservatives and Republicans should leave Nancy alone and let her talk, and talk, and talk. Everytime she opens her mouth the world realizes how ignornant she is; how badly she reflects on San Francisco and California; and most of all, how incopentent the House of Representatives is with her joke of leadership. |
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She's a disaster as a human being. ala Trump. She's just prepping this nation for an attack whether it be terroristic, electronic, or economic. Her policies make us vulnerable. See: wrath of God. |
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Ok, GT, let's have this one out:
1. Anyone who will make a case for moral equivalence between abortion and capital punishment is equating the innocent unborn to the guilty born. An unborn baby is by definition innocent (other than a share in 'original sin'); someone sentenced to death is demonstrably guilty.
2. From Dennis Prager's "Think a Second Time":
"The Bible feels so strongly about capital punishment that it decrees that "You shall take a murderer from my very altar to die" (Exodus 21:14). Murderers cannot claim sanctuary, becasue it desecrates God to have a murderer seeking to live by invoking God's sanctuary".
Brother, your moral compass needs some more water... if you haven't lost it, that is. |
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