Friday, May 16, 2008
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"When Kennedy Met With Khrushchev, We Were On The Brink Of Nuclear War."
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
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That's Barack Obama from today's incredible press conference where the Illinois senator combined petulance and ignorance in an unnerving display of just how unqualified he is to be Commander-in-Chief
For the record, Kennedy and Khrushchev met in Vienna in June of 1961. We were not on the brink of nuclear war. The Cuban Missile Crisis was 15 months in the future.
![June 3, 1961: Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, left, and U.S. President John F. Kennedy sit in the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Vienna, Austria, at the start of their historic talks. [AP/Wide World Photo]](http://www.state.gov/cms_images/7khruschev_kennedy1_600.jpg)
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Some of my best friends are neos.
Kidding. How come you so tough about Jews? My brother's married to a Jewish women, I have responsibilities to my nephew and niece, they love me, I love them, what's the difference?
I worked 20 years for a union, know about solidarity. What, because you're solid with Israel, makes you a rightwinger? I don't buy it. |
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so does the world. I can't see any circumstance or reason that I would ever relinquish my solidarity with Israel. There is no debating with me on this subject. Israel is that important to the rest of the world despite one's agreement/disagreement or understanding.
Thanks for you’re taking the time to explain the Cabal angle.
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Now Jan,
that ain't fair. I agree with you. Ignorance has no ideological preference. Wisdom does. I like the way you think, working your way. Not in love with you yet, Jan. Sound like you got a razor in your back pocket, cut whomever. |
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Throwing you Tofu can be so tiring. You need to get a Real Job, Pal. Sheeessshh!
North Korean Nukes are the direct result of the idiot Clinton sending the genuinely loathsome Jimmah Cawtah to get sweet talked and conned by Baby Kim. The liter of vodka per day dictator must have laughed the drawers off his Mao suit with the ease of his success.
Human Nature is a funny, consistent thing, Brobby. The pustulesant presence of Baathist Iraq in the midst of a Post 9-11 Middle East was then and would be now utterly unacceptable. Its end was Stated U.S.Policy from Clinton's Admin. and, as usual, Bubba lacked the Ba!!s and...errr...Focus-Time to do anything but "State Policy". Made old Saddam shake & quake, no doubt.
Incidentally, Genius, the Urban Myth, sold by the Dem-Dumbs, of No WMDs from Saddam could be researched a tad more by you--you have lots & lots of time, it seems--in 2-books that have been around for quite awhile: "The Greatest Threat" by Richard Butler,(2000, NY.)...and "Saddam's Bombmaker" by Dr.Khidhir Hamza, (2000,NY). Butler was the Aussie Diplomat who headed UNSCOM in the late '90s and Dr.Hamza was Saddam's Nuke Chieftan until he fled Iraq.
Edmund Burke wrote:"The only thing necessary for the triumph of Evil is for good men to do nothing."
And, that darned Saddam Hussein:"Don't tell me about the law. The law is anything I write on a scrap of paper."
And, 'No Precondition' jabberfests with Thugs--which is what O'Bammy is selling--are beyond laughable. They'd gut him like a trout. |
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I use "Cabal" alot around here to refer to our loose group of cons & neocons jousting with the Lib-Left forces of darkeness and defeatism. It comes from the tongue-in-cheek legend of the Nefarious Neoconservative Cabal who manipulate American Foreign & Military policy for the greater good of the Eviiiilll Israelis and the Jeeeeeeeewwwwsssssss. Happily, most of the band of Lib-Lefties at HH aren't that stripe of demented lunacy sellers. Just wrong-headed, doofus boys & girls, ruled by their Feeeeeeeeelings and sentiments and generally CLUELESS about True Evil. And, naturally, some, if not most, believe Bush & Cheney are the Spawn of Satan. Cuck-koooo.
"Hawk was referring to an anecdote I shared a few weeks ago when she was in the midst of a scrap with a Lib who JUST WOULDN'T LISTEN about the women of the warrior tribes of the American Indians. Prisoners, it seems, dreaded & feared--above everything--being handed over to the tender mercies of the squaws. Their deaths were very long and...unpleasant. :-) |
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You ignoramus libtard!
I would submit that it is precisely your party of green and yellow striped arses that have crippled our energy producers to the point of the present. Keep on voting green and pay more at the pump you friggin despicable moron libtard. Enjoy your income being depleted by your own hero libtards and bask in your own defecation while I just laugh. I can afford gasoline no matter what you libtards do politically to cripple the rest of the people who you con into voting for your green candidates. It just hurts to see so many people struggle to make ends meet at the expense of their votes for libtards. Tell us your plan to correct the cost of gasoline at the pump again Brobbie so I can enjoy the humor even more. (Laughter) |
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Hawk, K.G. and Jan you referenced as Cabal Girls -- curious, is this tongue & cheek for the action game of the same name? As for Dudley, his posts are probably good for promoting conservatism. Dudley demonstrates ignorance has no ideological preference. |
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....to fools on the left that Ronald Reagan routinely refused to meet with leaders of other nations....even the U.S.S.R. (at the time) until certain conditions were met or agreed to, and it shook them to their core....
It was not a pleasant thing to be scorned by the leader of the free world and these leaders scrambled to meet his conditions post haste.
You either deal in strength with other nations or they will deal in strength with you....
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really, reaaaaallllyyyyy RESPECT friendly overtures, kindness, empathy, ENGAGEMENT of Verbiage, nummyness, fuzzballishness and shrill-angry-venom-spouting wives of Head's of State.
This is Well Known.
The Bullies I most clearly remember from my 'yoot were the ones who got their butts creamed and their clock's cleaned by unexpectedly tough kids who refuse to give-in or back down.
O'Bammy-like kids existed at the mercy of Bullies. |
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successes had he lived. History(And, students thereof..)don't deal with 'IFs'..But, it's long been diverting fun to speculate. The President's personal friend & confidant, Ben Bradley, the Washington editor of Newsweek at the time, has written that the days were numbered on the press winking & nodding & remaining mum over the President's dangerous compulsive filandering, even from the White House sec'y pool girls--Fiddle & Faddle--and that it would have been absolutely disastrous during the re-election run in '64. Bradley, surprisingly, didn't know what was going on at the time or that his sister-in-law, Mary, was a JFK mistress!
The President made a swing through western Washington state in late September, '63, and spoke at a dual convocation of my college & our crosstown rivals in Tacoma on the 27th. I was a Freshman and, funny though it sounds, JFK's 46 years didn't seem at all young to us kids. Less than 2-months later the President was dead, the 1950's were over, the earth's axis had shifted in ways we could not yet imagine. |
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Chiming in and saying amen.
Lets see we had the "Cult of Personality" a trial balloon at Glasnost by Nikita. Made it easier too to get rid of the monster Beria, (going with vague memory of studying this stuff years ago, and quick memory jogs on the web), which suffered a crisis with the Hungarian revolt in 56 to which the west responded, partially, by deploying Jupiter missiles in Europe (naturally that old third way, De Galle balked) to Italy and Turkey, which made the Soviets blanch. As reported Khrushchev got the measure of JFK and found him wanting. Cuba missile crisis, agreement to pull missiles from Turkey as quid pro quo (which the JFK administration deemed deficient anyway, besides the grapes were to high on the tree).
Suckered, punched, blow hard (Khrushchev) and naiveté (Kennedy) brought us to the brink.
And to think that Obama makes Kennedy look like a great statesman with gravitas! God help us.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/articles.php?id=59
http://www.hungary1956.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#Rise_to_powe r |
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JamesB writes: Sunday, May, 18, 2008 10:34 PM
Neo: Good Lord, Man
You're wrong about Obama but brilliantly fair nonetheless re: Kennedy. Carry on.
Arch says:
How do you propose that Neo said one thing about Obammy that is wrong? Don't you realize the truth about this phony poser, Obammy? Good Lord man! you have fallen on your sword for a bag of bad gas. |
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"Presidents are ALWAYS called upon to deal with things that have NEVER happened before." and therein lies the choice.
To use the old football coach vernacular....the team that makes the fewest mistakes wins. Doesn't sound sexy or profound in the pundit world, but it is the very definition of the leadership we need in the world we live in today. Barry hasn't a clue about this; rather, his tantrum about Bush's speech at the 60th anniversary of the Kennesset simply reveals his lack of preparedness or, said another way, his propensity to make mistakes that, at this stage, have little consequence. Be forewarned. |
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I would like to convey is Obaama's appearance of weakness.This is not a personal attack on his character and I don't doubt that he believes he can help the country.Our enemies are watching this election and licking their chops.There is a reason Hamas wants Obama to win and it's not because of his national health care program.They see he has already been duped by his pastor and his association with domestic terrorists.These are mistakes made by young and inexperienced people who either learn from them or not.Maybe he is stronger than I think but he still has the appearance of weakness and thats what or enemies will carry with them to the bargaining table. |
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Good post. I would remind those Barry supporters that even JFK sported officer's bars at one point. It is not manadatory that anyone wishing to be a good president serve in the military, but what better training ground? Where better to gain perspective?
Presidents can't look at history and say they would to this and that when it happens to them. Presidents are ALWAYS called upon to deal with things that have NEVER happened before. I will stand by George W. Bush's reaction to 9/11 until my dying day...
Is Barry the guy we want at the switch during the next unforeseen crisis upon which the future of this country and perhaps the world depends....?
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sentence is silly, anyway, Guys. Jack Kennedy was a Hawk. His first year as President was very, very challenging. He learned some taxing, character building, dangerous lessons. Bay of Pigs was an inherited project, but he's the man who naively approved it and then behaved badly and looked weak as Hell. Vienna was a wash. He went into the Summit thinking he could smooth & charm & persuade a very tough, wiley, bloody handed old Bolshevik. Khrushchev hit him with aggressive dialectics and nimble footed belligerence. It shook Kennedy to his soul. "It's going to be a long winter," he told Tom Wicker of the NY Times. And it was. Up went the Berlin Wall.
That said, there was never any of the present day Liberal sensibility in JFK. He wasn't a whiner, he wasn't remotely Dovish, he believed in American Exceptionalism and Strength. He was not some well intentioned little peacenik violet. He escalated our presence in South Vietnam and approved the go-ahead for the coup which overturned the Diem Regime, shortly before his own death. Many mistakes were made, but much was learned. It's possible that a second term could have brought Greatness. It's also possible that his dangerous personal lifestyle and risks could, if revealed, have brought him ignominious oblivion.
I heard the audio again today of Obama's vacuous statement last week about the Presidents who've used Summit Meetings in Diplomacy. Beyond naive. Seemingly clueless as to the prior work and preparations. Clueless as to the FAILURE of JFK with Nikita in Vienna. Ignorant as to the stakes and preparations of Reagan for talks with Gorby.
Mind bendingly similar to an ill prepared Frosh Poli-Sci student. Shocked even me! |
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I have a feeling you already know this but I will gladly oblige you with an answer.While it is still unclear how much JFK knew about this CIA backed invasion,he knew enough to make the decision to lend air support.The end result is that we looked weak and it emboldened the Soviet Union.It solidified Castro's position and he has been a thorn in our side up to the present.Not to mention the dead and imprisoned Cuban fighters who were under the impression they had our support. I know it was a hard decision but his moment weakness caused repercussions we are still dealing with today.BTW it was not a standoff,it was a slaughter. |
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for both sides here,but if Obama wants to compare himself to JFK he probably is right.Just look how the young inexperienced president handled the Bay of Pigs situation,he froze like a school boy on his first date. |
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Neo, buddy,
What did the ladies have planned for me? Isn't Jan part of it, too? Don't worry, ladies, a gentleman never tells..
Paddy darlin',
I'm deelighted to be in this august Townhall company. Why, if they can accept a defrocked priest (!) and a grizzled old topkick like Sadie, then I guess there's room for your humble servant.
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Here's the relevant quote via Michael Goldfarb:
"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said."
The more Obama speaks the more one wonders...
when the mule-blinker horese-and-buggy industries make a comeback.
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The hairless chested warrior & his shrill, angry squaw are TOAST. Clueless TOAST.
Jimmah Cawtah II...Who better? |
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No, I'm no talking about foreign policy. No, his domestic policy,to which:
"First Michelle Obama threatens to take away our pie, and now her husband demands that we eat smaller portions. Can the American people subsist on a diet of extra spicy hope and sautéed change? Yes we can!"
Who says you can't channel the living?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp
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Ruling my strong instincts regarding Dudds' Death Sentence('Hawk's been quite clear on handing him over to the Cabal Ladies..), I will say that Dudsie has been exceptionally resilient to the lashes we've been handing him for more than 24-hours. That leans me towards mercy...BUT, then I remember the truly disreputable, gaseous, sissy behavior to our own Sensitivity Icon, A86...and...
Naw...Sorry, Dudds, the Tribal Ladies have some special gizzard discomfort for ya. Nuthin' I can do. It's all up to 'Hawk & K.G. now. |
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in West Coast Dem-Lib-Lefty Males. Congrats, Bud! |
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Only women push him around.....
Well, I see dud finally got a vote! Too bad the election was yesterday. It might as well have been a vote for Mondale....
But I say we let the vote stand, it being the only one and all.... I don't expect dud to go by the outcome though.... Commies and libs always ignore things like democracy and fair elections whose outcomes they don't like.
I will point out, dud, that your approval rating among your "friends" here at Townhall is lower that W's has been at any point in his life....!
Have a nice day all.... |
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Thanks for the invitation, but I am an American, and fall on my knees to no man... |
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10428.html
Why are so many of Shoeless John's lobbyist friends suddenly quitting due to "entanglements" and "conflicts of interests"? Don't tell me that your man isn't so straight with the talk! That Klezco affair is small potatoes compared to your candidate's big league corruption. At least Obama stopped years ago. McCain can't stop doing it NOW! |
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Ask MaineConservative. He understood the first time and tried to explain it to you.
Now why won't you answer my question? Why do you defend child molesters? What are you ashamed of? |
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Paulbot concavity in at this late point is...somehow, perfect, don't you think?
Dudds...Whateverrrrrrrrrrrrr! :-)
Blovie..Did you do as I asked and take a drive out to Victor Davis Hanson's vine farm, fall on your quivering knees and beg for mercy from the Great Man? Cool. His namesake, and Father's first cousin, was killed on Sugarloaf Hill, Okinawa, 63-years ago tomorrow. Semper Fidelis, Maleen Devil.
'Hawk, K.G. & Jan...When you Cabal Girls are through with what's left of the sorry-a55 Dudds, will ya see about Tiny Ryan, please?
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Pasadena Phil,
Feel free to call me whatever names you like.
:)
Fact is, you have proudly asserted that Bob Barr is "more conservative" than John McCain.
Therefore, please cite specific issues 'where' Barr is 'more conservative' than McCain.
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And I'll politely tell you again. I've explained it to many times already. There are people here ON THIS THREAD who understood me the first time and tried to explain to you. You are OBTUSE.
I have a question for you.
Why do you defend child molesters?
You want me to keep annoying you with THAT question? Why won't you answer it? What are you hiding?
Get it? If you don't want to listen to the answer, stop asking the question. |
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Pasadena Phil wrote to Rich from Ventura Co;
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"You are going to hold your noses anyway so why not vote for the lesser of THREE evils? Bob Barr. He actually IS a conservative Republican but he isn't perfect. Oh I get it. "The perfect is the enemy of the good" only when it pertains to your candidate. It is a nonsensical argument and I just blew it out of the water."
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Phil, I'll politely ask you again, which specific issues do you believe Bob Barr is "more conservative" than John McCain ?
Can you name any ?
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very nice of you.
I have plenty of respect for thoughtful people, whether I agree with their politics or not, who chose not to serve.
Have a boss weekend. |
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I vote for you to stay. You da man, as the kidz say.. |
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:-) right, Ry Ry?
So if one was to look at the Army Recruitment Catalogue, circa 1996, they might find something called "Laundry & Bath Specialist." A needed function, and certainly right up there for a bun boy like Lyin' Ryan. Suddsing up the BDUs of the guys who are ""a55 in the grass""
A good job for a weak suck like Ryan, and just liked Hoser with his 'HWX" Duty (in Washington DC) and baby-blue marine Peakster, he can tell everyone what a rough-n-ready soldier he was ...standing in the cantonement area with a box of tide, his weapon rusting in the arms room. Heavy dude. |
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Sadie's never been in the service; never been in the stockade; he's not from the USA. He's a pretend boy. He wanted me gone, so I suggested he go. Turnabout's fair play, right, Sadie, mate?
Neo, you voted three times for me to go. I'm a little hurt; plus, that ain't democratic. But, you'll be glad to know I forgive you, I've put it behind me, and am ready to soldier on at this site. It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it! |
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"Maybe we could make a list of all the
places Hoser, BJob, Laborious Lawyer, DUDlee and Pacreatic Liberal served their country in uniform....go one now, it won't take long, really."
Unlike you, some of these folks probably have more military service than you do, and that being of an honorable nature and not that of barb wire city fame that you bragged about. 26 years you claim? More like 26 months if not days before they tossed your @$$ out. I bet the brief time you were in you displayed the courage of Radar O'Reilly, the intelligence of Gomer Pyle, and the mannerisms of Maxwell Q. Klinger.
Yep, you were real strake, alright, in your tough talking fantasies here.
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All-Caring Neo. Toil, toil, toil in the trenches of the needy. Such a Gift.
*Vast Inexpressable GOOD For Mankind* |
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One reason why it is instructive to look at defense expenditure as "fraction of GDP" is because of inflation.
Regarding inflation, Carter was more the victim of inflation than its originator. The inflation of the late 1970s had its origins in longer-term government spending, rising fuel costs, labor power, and Arthur Burns shoddy monetary discipline. Inflation was basically tamed by Paul Volcker's quantitative measures, but also by Reagan's efforts, starting with PATCO, to curtail the strength of workers relative to employers. The result is that inflation shifted from the consumer markets to the capital markets, which helps explain the series of asset bubbles over the past quarter century. With wages flat and income accruing to capital, it stands to reason that risk premiums would be bid waaaaaay down. THAT was Reagan's contribution. The real hero of the inflation story is, of course, Volcker--who achieved his success despite Reagan, not because of him.
And actually, thinking about it, Carter had already reversed the decline in military expenditure prior to the Soviet's Afghan invasion. That invasion, though, led to the quantum leap in defense spending, which Reagan continued. Which means your point does not stand: a) it is not "nothing," even compared to Reagan, and b) Carter initiated the trajectory that presumably he would have maintained had he won in 1980. |
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Your comments yield little value, but I am indebted to you for your service to our country. There are, or have been, guys who have come through here, veterans like you, but also Democrats.
I'm not one of them, though, and since you are, let me say to you directly, thank you and God bless you.. |
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Not "a Californian through and through." That's another thing: stop throwing up quote marks unless you got yourself a quote.
Like I said, the part of my family that has been in California the longest has been in America the least. My point is the distinction between west CA, a strip of 30-35 miles running along the coast, which is the CA of the popular imagination, and east CA, which is where I come from. Both Californias have their place, but the self-righteous huffing about me "condescending to grace" Fresnans with my presence, when the likes of them have had to endure my presence for the five decades of my life, is characteristic of how gratuitous you guys have become.
I mean, nothing personal. I know you're a pretty smart guy. Sometimes the easy way is not the right way. That's why they call me Blovie Boy--they want bite-sized cliches and ridicule me because the truth and seriousness sometimes takes a paragraph or two.
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K.G. and, now, Jan watching your back and cooking up a special stew for the Dudds...Ummmmm, he's the Toast his clueless, whiny candidate is gonna be.
Dudsie...Time to go, Lil'Dude.
(*AND, Blovie Boy's in Fresno. Even LESS help to you than when he's here!*) |
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I vote "The Dudweenie" out, what a low life and what in the samhill does he have against AFRICA!!!!What a bigot!!!!! I may turn him in.
S/A86 You're the best! Love ya man and thank you for the honorable service to our counry so people like "The Dudweenie" can have a lowlife in a free country!
Neo, the Indians had it right when they gave the captured victim to the women! |
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Per Dudley's post: "So Jan, Is Sadie south african? Are you? you speak english like Sadie. You his girlfriend? What was the boy's serial number and rank? What service?"
Dudley what difference does it make what race I am or whether the opinions I post are written grammatically correct?
How is this view of yours, trying to call out my race, serve you? How does it serve society at large? Should your comments be regarded as a Democratic utopian of how we respond to those for which we differ?
For the record Mr. Grammy shorts: In your sentences; African and English should be capitalized, the ‘y’ in the sentence you speak english like Sadie, should be capitalized, and you his girlfriend is not a sentence. Where do you come off giving English advice? This is a site about opinion; not literacy capabilities, which you’ve demonstrated little acumen.
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Most of the Dems that post on this site have proven that the Democratic Party is the party of excessive and unsubstantiated accusations, hate, intolerance, racism, etc. Most lefty posts defend Obama and yet they have proven post after post they don’t agree with Obama’s message: a new era of hope, crossing party lines, speaking cordially with their enemies to create a common ground, change we can believe in. ALL the lib and lefty postings remind us that if libs aren’t swain by Obama’s message (can’t walk the talk), why should Independents to Conservatives believe; for that matter why should any American believe? |
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you are on the other side... You have given me so much confidence in my positions which are diabolically opposed to yours....
It's kind of interesting to read about how you would be physical with those that you are miserably failing to convince...
If only I could accomodate your desire... Unfortunately, I have never been in the military but I am fairly confident on how well I could do with you in that type of meeting of the minds.... |
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runs neck & neck with The Bloviator. You guys seem profoundly equal. Is self-seriousness present in the entire Left DNA Pool? Never mind, Kid. O'Bammy answered with a resounding YES with the whining, high chair pounding response to APPEASEMENT.
In A86's one serious post(He, like I, considers this blog stuff diverting pamphleteering & comics..with some nice folks, generally..), he straight-shot all the midgets outta the water. Well worth the wait. BEST I've read here this year. |
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you don't know anyone who knows anyone who has done anything anywhere at any time to the benefit of anyone except Taco Bell and the neighborhood marijuana dealer.
So, that in mind, take your domestic partner pricess hoser, and head off to the merry sunset of stupidity. |
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I read your ventriloquist act about what I want in re: Obama getting things done. If you're going to be a con you'll need to have high reading comprehension. I stated that even if the Messiah won, he'd get little done. Pelosi and Reid have the majority now and all they've done is eliminate a few more jobs by raising minimum wage. The mighty Billy Jeff did nae get much done either did he? The handful of Repubs left will probably fight hard finally, or face extinction. Besides, we can vote in hundreds of Repubs if they would ever band together and get a gameplan executed. It would be a watershed event that, mathematically can happen every couple of years.
Good luck with McCain. haha. What coattails is he going to provide? Suckers... |
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Why are you Repubs getting so excited NOW?! You've (we've) had 22 years to get it RIGHT and now the Dem/lib shoe shine boys want to blame us if the Great Exasperator doesn't win?
Talk about aping the Dem/libs right down to excuse making: Cause the problem, ignore it, then blame conservatives. Laughable.
Never fear, there's always 2010 and 2012. Maybe by then the Stupid Party will realize that being a Dem/lib Party cover band will always lose out to the real thing. |
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Oh, I'll be 'round, Sadie. Which stockade was you in? Hoose, what you think? Sadie a little fantasy boy? |
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We haven't moved.
You crack me up, Squashed Possum:) |
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OOOHHH! There you go again. Latrine head, boy am I cut to the bone. Better take a Viagra to "Bouy up" your courage. |
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DUDlee, though I am sure, dimocrat that you are, you have elected to linger, like a dingleberry on the bunghole of the body politic.
Why don't you go have a few more hits on the pipe you assuredly cherish and have a good Saturday Night...
S/A86 will be here when (if) you get back. |
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Waiting on vicious Sadie's record of service, and, you know, which stockade he spent so much time in. Check that "fact" out pretty quick. |
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I have explained it to you so many times in so many ways there is no point repeating it yet again. You just don't want to accept what I say and there is no way I can say it in a way that you won't twist around. You can't have an intelligent discussion with someone who insists on controlling both ends of the discussion.
BTW, go to that link above by Virginia Patriot.
blog.nrcc.org/comment.cfm?entry_id=400
That is an OFFICIAL GOP website. If you have the time, read the comments and just try to find a single commenter who agrees with you. You nose-holders are dying out fast. Maybe if you insulted us yet again but with more FEELING... Nah, we're done.
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people.
True enough there are some real idiots who grace us with their feculent calumny, but all in all, it is a good bunch of men and women.
Neo-Con is a classy guy among many smart, funny people here. What a terrific life I have led. |
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You quoted Ronald Reagan as saying "that someone who agrees with you 70% of the time (McCain) is your ally, not your enemy."
If McCain agreed with me 70% of the time I don't believe I would have trouble voting for him. I have never had a candidate with which I agreed on everything - even Reagan, but this year, as I've said before the RNC (like the movie "A Bridge Too Far") may have gone a liberal too far.
I have agreed with many of your opinions on TH, but I understand what Pasadena Phil is saying.
I have not yet decided if I can hold my nose and vote for McCain but it the election was tomorrow I could not. I'm still giving him a chance to change my mind and I hope he does, but I'm not holding my breath.
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the Pigmy. Excremental microbes. But, usefully illuminating in understanding the 2008 Lib-Left.
Hey, somebody had to use big impressive words since HE fled to Fresno! |
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here. He can't follow his own polemic, much less counter that of another. He's a pretender looking for attention.
Calling Adlai Stevenson...... |
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Wow. You really have to go way down to find even one sympathetic comment on that NRCC link. I just can't figure out what the RNC is thinking. They are trashing the most active and wealthiest bloc of the base while "reaching out" to liberals and mods. It is costing them election after election and they can't raise money. How dense can a party be? These nose-holding RINOs may represent the biggest chunk of Republicans left but they don't volunteer nor do they contribute money. The rest of the Republican, since they are too lazy to re-register away from the GOP, are probably going to stay home in November. The activist conservatives like me are going to vote 3rd party after contributing and volunteering for it.
BTW, I just got yet another RNC request for money. I guess I'll just keep getting them until November so I should print up a great big batch of those Bush pesos I keep sending them. Good thing I saved that six-per-page version Michelle Malkin linked to last year. |
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before someone makes you GI the latrine parked atop your shoulders. |
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Pasadena Phil wrote;
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You are going to hold your noses anyway so why not vote for the lesser of THREE evils? Bob Barr. He actually IS a conservative Republican but he isn't perfect. Oh I get it. "The perfect is the enemy of the good" only when it pertains to your candidate. It is a nonsensical argument and I just blew it out of the water.
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Bob Barr has no chance of winning the general election.
But John McCain does.
Anyhow, on what issues do you believe Bob Barr is "more conservative" than McCain ?
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Is Sadie south african? Are you? you speak english like Sadie. You his girlfriend? What was the boy's serial number and rank? What service?
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S/A86 wrote,
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"There are also people who did not serve in uniform, some liberal, some conservative, who are great Americans, who have done heroic things for their country.
Not all the heroic things that are done are military in nature. Some are recognized, like Rosa Parks, some you will never hear of.
Nothing is more infuriating than someone who has barely served calling those who chose not to 'chickenhawks.'
Ours is not a warrior society... our warriors conform to the directions and orders of a civilian government. That is one of many things which makes my country unique among nations and unique among superpowers."
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Outstanding post, Maxwell.
Hopefully it will elicit some other commenters to (pardon the pun) "Get Smart."
The biting irony about all of the left wing people who assert the ridiculous "chickenhawk !" slander at their political adversaries, is that John McCain served, while Obama did not.
By their own argument, those whom assert the absurd "chickenhawk!" argument should be voting FOR MCCAIN this November since they are establishing that Obama would NEVER have the 'moral authority' to send our troops to war, you know, since he never served.
In other words, what are the chances that the lefties who scream "chickenhawk!" at Vice President Cheney or Mitt Romney will actually put their vote where their mouth is by voting for John McCain over Obama this November ?
Ha, ha, ha.
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http://blog.nrcc.org/comment.cfm?entry_id=400
And then tell me how McCain gets elected. If there was anyone with two brain cells to rub together at the RNC, they'd dump him. |
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Hoosier, now who is espousing innuendo and hate? |
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"The perfect is the enemy of the good."
That is one of the dumbest banalities among the many banalities you nose-holders keep tossing. You are going to hold your noses anyway so why not vote for the lesser of THREE evils? Bob Barr. He actually IS a conservative Republican but he isn't perfect. Oh I get it. "The perfect is the enemy of the good" only when it pertains to your candidate. It is a nonsensical argument and I just blew it out of the water. This is the year of the maverick. Don't be afraid to be a conservative rather than a nose-holding GOP robot. Your line of campaigning where all you do is shout "Libelal! Liberal! Liberal!" has already cost the GOP three very conservative Congressional districts in little over a month. Don't you think you should abandon that line of argument? You guys are about all that is left to the GOP as is shrinks into oblivion. Good job! Hahahahahahaha!
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Rich,
Good posts.
Ronald Reagan's motto was that someone who agrees with you 70% of the time (McCain) is your ally, not your enemy.
In order to win a general election, it's incumbent for a Presidential nominee to win the votes of moderates, independents, and even some folks who normally vote for the other party---in other words, people who don't agree with you all of the time.
Of course, we who support McCain realize that he is not the 'perfect' conservative.
But the aggregate of McCain's positions is a helluva lot more preferable to the aggregate of Obama's positions.
Just keep in mind, Pasadena Phil doesn't believe there are debatable policy differences between McCain & Obama.
In his eyes, they're equally liberal.
Even the unhinged lefties at Daily Kos or MoveOn.org can see the policy differences which divide McCain & Obama---after all, that's why they'll be working overtime for the next 6 months to defeat McCain.
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I finally figured out what your post name stands for. Secret Agent 86 a.k.a. Maxwell Smart. You really have some screwed up morals. But then I guess that if you are proud to be a republican you are proud to be a screw up. Two brothers in the Air Force and one in the Navy. One son in the Marines and one in the Navy. None, I am proud to say were in the stockade. As far as sitting Presidents, intelligence goes along way, something bush and his followers are sorely lacking. At least Clinton screwed the American people one at a time unlike bush who asks the repubicans to bend over and then say thank-you after he's finished, but then you would know all about that wouldn't you. As far as your long service, couldn't hack it on the outside hun? |
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the meetin' of some mutual friends. The very best post I've seen in these parts this year. Fact.
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Dad..20th Air Force/B-29s/CBI & Tinian Island.
Uncle Joe..Combat Engineers/St.Vith-Battle of the Bulge. Uncle L.M...Wounded, Battle of the Bulge. Uncle Tom, 41st Inf.Division, New Guinea Campaign, Biak Island. Uncle Burke..1st Marine Division, Cape Gloucester, Peleliu, Okinawa. Uncle Jim, Korea, Wounded--Old Baldy.
Neo..Anti Vietnam War Activist-Draft Evader/ Mugged by Reality/Neoconservative with only 2-regrets, one of them being that he didn't go ahead & serve in uniform when called.
Life is funny and very precious. 'The tremor of awe is best in Man.' |
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Well said, both of you. Not all patriots wear uniforms.
86 has prevailed, and dud has been voted off. If dud has any honor, he will never be heard from again on this post, but being a liberal, I do not expect him to conduct himself with honor...
Off to amuse drunken cowboy wannabees and the cowgirls that love them.....
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...the guy is a south african boy police-man. What, he can't even call himself African American? What's his serial number and rank? Wise up; he's a pretend kid, fantasizing.
And, you know who s/a86 is to make this leap? If he's all fantasy, his fantasy is more logical and interesting than your "boring," baseless posts. |
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on this thread; I've enjoyed reading your posts and the pearls of wisdom found in most.
Your words: "Taking Hussein out was the right thing to do, and history will vinidcate W, even if Bill Clinton is remembered as the guy who borrowed Marcia Lewinksy's daughter for 10 minutes at time." I'm in agreement.
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Pasadena Phil writes: "Robot. See Republican, vote Republican."
Kind of harsh don't you think?
Well, in any event, that won't work here. I have voted for candidates who were not Republicans (including Dems) a couple of time, but I always made sure I voted for the person most likely to give the best service to the nation and I have never thrown away my vote, because Phil and Scarlet, I care give a darn...
Because I care, I will not vote for a third party candidate and I will never withhold my vote waiting for perfection. Why? Because I am also a pragmatist. I believe Voltaire had it right: "The perfect is the enemy of the good."
And so good friends, Adieu.
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Well said, you guys. Nobody in my direct family has served in the military since my great-grandfather marched with Sherman, except my hippie brother who was drafted during VietNam, but ended up at West Point training cadets.
There isn't a day that goes by that I am not grateful for those who serve and have served. And for those mothers who sacrificed their sons that mine can just go about their business as free Americans.
But, as you say, not all heroes wear uniforms. And not all chicken-hawk chanters have brains. |
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the guy is a south african boy police-man. What, he can't even call himself African American? What's his serial number and rank? Wise up; he's a pretend kid, fantasizing. |
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"Nothing is more infuriating than someone who has barely served calling those who chose not to 'chickenhawks.'"
I come from a family with a long history of military service. We aren't a "military family" but when called to serve, we show up. My father and all four of his brothers saw action in WWII and never talked about it. I've known, and still do, veterans who've survived hair-raising situations without boasting about it. They just don't want to talk about it. So when I hear these "veterans" calling others chickenhawks for not serving, I immediately know that I am talking to a cowardly chump. These veterans don't know the meaning of honor. It's like you said, we are not a warrior society.
I wasn't called to serve and so I didn't. Like you, I've known many heroic people who never served. In fact, waking up to how many people all around me quietly suffer through heroic lives without complaint has been very sobering and humbling. Life throws a lot of bad breaks at people without having to see war. Coping without burdening others is what I truly admire in people. I wish these "chickenhawk" chanters would just grow up and find their manhood some other way.
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"Nothing is more infuriating than someone who has barely served calling those who chose not to 'chickenhawks.'" |
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All that bull. You about as American as Crapple pie. Even talk English diffrent. I got you, police-man |
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Robot. See Republican, vote Republican. |
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was raised in the inner city, and was 'judicially recruited' into Jimmy Carter's Army the day after my 17th birthday.
My pop was a Chosin Reservoir Marine, died a drunk on the streets, his wounds doing him in at 58 years old.
I am much blacker than babakazama, can rap, rap-a-dap, play the dozens. My Ebonics are fluent, but I am passable in Korean, Russian and Spanish.
While I am proud, and grateful for my military service, I was rather ordinary among some extraordinary men.
There are also people who did not serve in uniform, some liberal, some conservative, who are great Americans, who have done heroic things for their country.
Not all the heroic things that are done are military in nature. Some are recognized, like Rosa Parks, some you will never hear of.
Nothing is more infuriating than someone who has barely served calling those who chose not to 'chickenhawks.'
Ours is not a warrior society... our warriors conform to the directions and orders of a civilian government. That is one of many things which makes my country unique among nations and unique among superpowers.
If you are so ingorant, arrogant, biased or mentally unbalanced that you are unable to know the truth of my words, then you are a pitiful fool. |
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My CinC was Jimmy Carter.
Is that a rhetorical question....??? :-) |
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Hoosier wrote;
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Hoosier, are you actually suggesting that not every sitting Commander-in-Chief is "worth protecting" ?
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than you have in uniform, and I served under five Presidents, all of them elected to lead my country. I made no distinction when I served them, between liberal or conservative, dimocrat or Republican. Hell, I was a Democrat when I enlisted.
And, if you call making the circuit of gay bars in DuPont Circle 'Military Service' have at it.
Go re-up for another 24 years, if you can hack it, boy. |
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Secret Agent 86 is a stand-up guy that we love around here. If he doesn't love you, you have the problem. When the shooting starts, I wanna be on his team.
If you can't take the heat, go play with the girls....but not us con girls. We don't mind exercising our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights either. |
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by 1942, when we entered the war against Nazi Germany, we had lost ZERO American Troops in action with the German Military.
By 1998 our aircraft were being shot at DAILY by Hussein's Forces.
Pull your poity little head from your dimocrat birth canal, and pick the liberal lotus petals out of your dumbo ears. You may learn something from the people blogging here. |
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that I am much blacker than your chocolate hero, babakazama.
And, as I've said before, I am as American as baseball, hotdogs, Apple Pie and Chevrolet.
Even wore a US Army Uniform for a while. |
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Time overseas and other places. But then I had a president that was worth protecting. Where did you go or did they allow your kind of people in the army. You would only make fun of a Marine on line. You only need a computer and dictionary, no real ***lls. Viva, Viva Viagra |
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that I am much blacker than your chocolate here, babakazama.
And, as I've said before, I am as American as baseball, hotdogs, Apple Pie and Chevrolet.
Even wore a US Army Uniform for a while. |
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Sadie sicko,south african
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Better check your facts. Hitler kill and wounded more of our soldiers than Hussein. I take it your strong points aren't history or political science. If name calling was a subject that usually went beyond grade school, I guess you could have majored in that. But then other than just calling people on the blogs names I would imagine you need Viagra to just get up in the morning. But then you would need your instruction written in very small words. Review, only hit the "Post your comments" button one time!!! |
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hvs writes: "replace General Patreus with a commander like General Curtis LeMay"
hvs said it more succinctly than I did! Way to go. |
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mother, if you must know... |
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tough Marine!
What is HMX duty? Is that like wearing Dress Blues and Pogue Bait for the congressmen?
There was another 'marine' posting here named Beakster, but he blew a gasket on MLK Day and got deported. Is he a friend of yours?
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Even if Chavez had never done another rotten thing in his whole life but call Barack Obama's president a satan on American soil, that should have been enuff for Barack to renounce him publicly. Dude! It was an intentional, dispicable slap in the face of all America.
Hugo was laughing, joking (and I seem to remember some applause)..so dang pleased at his own darling cleverness. Bush (if I remember correctly) rightly ignored Chavez for the snotty little twit he is. Don't honor him with a response.
But other American leaders should be shunning Chavez for grossly insulting our president, especially BHO. We should be shunning Ahmadinejad for killing our soldiers. In the Mediterranean/Hispanic/Islamic world you do not publicly honor insults. It's weakness of the first order. You do not "meet" with these creeps unless you are coming hat-in-hand begging. Let them come to you begging.
Work diplomacy through back channels, which the State Department is attempting. Get some leverage through the international community to use against these two-bit dictators and terrorists. Meeting with them is the carrot we give them so they won't lose too much face after they completely capitulate.
OK...I've had my rant against that gnat Hugo.
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Hoosier said: "After all the US had defeated Germany, Japan and Italy in less time, But then it was a Democrat that was president."
Of course, Bush would not order carpet bombing of Baghdad and Tehran as FDR did in Dresden and Tokyo. FDR's war cabinet became impatient and took the same route taken by Sherman in waging war on civilian populations to try to make them force the government to surrender. It didn't work, but bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki helped avert the invasion of the Japanese mainland scheduled for 1946. I do not fault the Dem administration for taking the expeditious route to defeat the enemy, but this is apples and oranges.
Oh and by the way, ask a Russian or English soldier if the US defeated German and Italy alone.
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The infrastructure is distroyed. I didn't say anything about a timeline. I merely pointed out that Bush and his co-harts can't seem to win. Even the "surge" has petered out to a mere shuffle. |
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OHM, Neo-Con, Paddy-O.
Hoser likes conflicts where we have no national interest: Bosnia, Haiti, Kosovo, Somalia.
Last time I checked, Hussein had fired on Americans more by 1998 than Hitler had by 1942. They were both scum, both profoundly dangerous. Hell, even Hoser's bathhouse pal Bill Clinton moved to rid the world of Hussein...he just lacked the political resolve to do so.
Taking Hussein out was the right thing to do, and history will vinidcate W, even if Bill Clinton is remembered as the guy who borrowed Marcia Lewinksy's daughter for 10 minutes at time.
Wasn't that elder statesman, legendary in dimocrat circles, the vaunted Nobel Laureate Yasser 'AIDS Patient' Arafat waiting for Bill during one of those 'dictation' sessions?
I know that dimocrats regard foreign policy in the Middle East as distressfully crucial to our security, just as an oil supply is vital to our economy. |
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HMX duty. Washington D.C. 1994-1998. |
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places Hoser, BJob, Laborious Lawyer, DUDlee and Pacreatic Liberal served their country in uniform....go one now, it won't take long, really. |
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Don't confuse the lefties with facts....like the one about the U.S. losing more soldiers in the Battle of Kasserine Pass (first involvement in WWII) than we have lost in this entire conflict.
They only listen to the ones that help their argument, and since there are none, they wind up having to make them up...
Like Bush's "vicious attack" on Obama the other day. If that's a vicious attack, this man should never be anything more than a den mother....
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I second what Neo says about S/A86.
S/A86 is definitely kryptonite to the lefties' Super---er, I mean,...to their cartoonish musings.
Now, if we could only get lefties such as Dudley to be as angry at Jihadists for threatening sovereign nations with e-x-t-e-r-m-i-n-a-t-i-o-n, as they are angry at S/A86 for merely cracking jokes about Ted Kennedy the Olympic Swimming Champion.
For heaven's sake, an Israel-hater (Sirhan Sirhan) even assassinated Teddy's brother, Robert.
But never mind that, lefties, just aim your anger at...S/A86 ! |
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so interested in shortening this war and minimizing US casualties? Easily done: replace General Patreus with a commander like General Curtis LeMay ( and give him the authority to conduct operations). There's your WWII type solution.
This might result in a million Iraqi casualties and destroyed infrastructure, but you cherished time frame will be met |
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places Hoser, BJob, Laborious Lawyer, DUDlee and Pacreatic Liberal served their country in uniform....go one now, it won't take long, really. |
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'preciate the vote of confidence! You my boy! |
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B.Hussein Obama's crystal clear grasp of Modern-Contemporary History is shared by his feckless, vaporous supporters.
Hoosie Baby: There were more American deaths at Iwo Jima in its first 15-days, a mere few months before the end of the Pacific War, than in 5-years of Iraq. Ba-Da-Bing. Like Dat.
Our Warriors' Names are Far, Far to sacred to be listed by the likes of you, Pantywaist. trust me...or, better yet, ask the living ones their opinion of you. |
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As a matter of fact I do. I also know we were fighting against first world nations with first world armies. We had a valid reason to go to war with Germany, Japan and Italy. Hitler was no Tea Pot despot were we had fly overs. Hitler has just about taken over Europe. The Soviet Union had already turned Hitler's armies on the Eastern front when the US entered the war. The Allies and the Germans were pretty evenly matched. Not like in Iraq were the US overwhelming firepower. |
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He's not an American, who is he?
He's a sicko from South Africkee.
He's white, no doubt, just as pure
As a pig rolling in its own manure.
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Hoosier writes:"failed war."
You mean like Korea, Viet Nam and Somalia were failed wars? Those wars were all under Dem Presidents, but like WWI and WWII they were our wars, both Dem and GOP.
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Don't get me wrong, I luv the little Squid(right), but A86 has been way up there ever since he said: "I haven't had this much fun since the Hogs ate Baby Sister!" in response to some awful news for the Lib-Leftwits. It put the man into Legend Status immediately. ALSO, he has an almost unique ability to turn Nutters here into quivering gelatanus goo. Oh, yes, and though he's 'Darker than Obama', LL still has him at the tip-top of his Racist List. Works for me.
Sorry Dudds, but ya Gotta Go. |
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"Maybe we should start listing the names of all the dead from bushie boy's failed war. After all the US had defeated Germany, Japan and Italy in less time, But then it was a Democrat that was president."
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Certainly I understand the difference between absolute and relative spending. BTW, how much of Reagan's defense budget was actually earmarked?
And since you were talking about "uptick(s)", you must have been talking about absolute dollars, which begs your question, how much was the actual Carter "uptick" in inflation adjusted dollars and relative budget and GDP? The inflation adjusted haircut penalizes (lowers) Carter's defense appropriation because it was under Little Jimmy that the US experience unprecedented inflation levels....until Reagan choked the rate of inflation after 1982.
My point stands....Reagan invested more political capital in building up defense appropriations against the tide of a Democrat Congress. Carter did nothing to build up national defense expenditures compared to Reagan, and the difference is well beyond the :margins" (your term).
Your other point,the December 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan being the catalyst of the Carter "uptick", is questionable because the "uptick" is minimal not only in relative budget terms,but even less of an "uptick" in inflation adjusted dollars.
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K.G., yes I get Roger Hedgecock here if I ma still on the road after Hugh's show. I heard him go ballistic over the CA Supreme Court decision over turning the peoples DOM Initiative (60/40 for the people and 4/3 for the Supremes.)
I agree with you the stuf is about to hit the fan. At the same time Obama is defending his pleadge to meet with Chavez with no preconditions, fellow Senator and consitent critic of Pres. Uribe Sen. Christopher Dodd is wisely backing away from Chavez. In a speech at the naval Academy in April he acknowledged:
"Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, who was trying to enflame tensions by casting himself as a protector of Latin America from an imperial United States and its ally Colombia, was instead exposed as a political instigator."
"Soon-to-be-released evidence captured during the raid into Ecuador will likely uncover whether and to what extent President Chavez has been assisting the narco-terrorist FARC organization."
Well we know now, Interpol has confirmed the Chavez FARC connection is really strong and that may prompt the EU to declare Chavez's regime a state sponsor of Terrorism, thus allowing the US the cover of multilateral effort to de-fang Chavez.
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Maybe we should start listing the names of all the dead from bushie boy's failed war. After all the US had defeated Germany, Japan and Italy in less time, But then it was a Democrat that was president. |
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Remedial time, remember when you get the the "Post Your Comments" just press it one (1) time. I beginning to think you have a stutter. I will review--- press the "Post Your Comments" just one (1) time. |
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Rich, when you have someone like S/A86 at a site, ya have to protect yourself. He's a mean, vicious, sadistic person. But don't worry 'bout me. The day ever comes when I can't deal with him, who'm I gonna call? |
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laborlawyer writes: "This round......
.....goes to Obama."
That may be true for liberals, but for independents and conservative Dems Obama has swallowed the "appeasement" bait.
Regardless of what you think, (I'll mix my metaphors here) Bush's rope-a-dope strategery plays out over several rounds. |
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This is next "stuff" to hit the fan for Obama. Do you get Roger Hedgecock up there? His Saturday a.m. show is always filled with great info. His female guest today linked the FARC fiasco to Obama. Check it out on Roger's website.
Of course, the US has been trying to help the Columbian president against Chavez, Robert Kennedy's new best friend.
It's so annoying that Barack, Kennedy and the nutty Hollywood left don't get the most elemental principles of diplomacy: You don't elevate these people who should be pariahs to your level (POTUS) by meeting with them--especially when the international community is working to shun and marginalize them.
Yeah, that shows great world leadership.
When you meet with them you just increase their prestige, diminish your own and and for what? Isn't this the nut who stood on American soil and called GWB "Satan?" It makes me sick that Obama would give this guy (and his ilk) the time of day. |
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dudley writes: "I want you gone, Sadie"
What is this all about dudley?
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How 'bout we put it to a vote. Either you or SA has to go away forever based on a tally of Townhall posters.
Are you game... ? |
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I want you gone; you will be. The goal of OPERATION CounterKayos is to purge this site of disturbed rightwing personalities. May you sleep with Dubya on the ash heap of history. |
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PL said: (Barack) is completely reasonable. The man is ready to lead."
Question in the CNN/YouTube debate:
“Would you be willing to meet separately during the first year of your administration, with leaders of Syria, Iran, Venezuela and others to bridge the gap between our countries?”
Obama: "I would." "And I think that it is a disgrace that we have not spoken to them."
This breath taking. Chavez is about to be declared a state sponsor of terrorism by the EU and Obama and along with his buddy Harry "Banana Boat" Belafonte will plan to calypso with Chavez without preconditions.
Item from the WSJ:
"Interpol yesterday issued its findings on the authenticity of the computer files seized from Colombian terrorists in March, and they won't make Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chávez's day."
"Among other things, the documents detail personal meetings between Mr. Chávez and senior FARC leaders and the provision of money and materiel to the "rebels." Of a $250 million "loan" from Venezuela to FARC, Venezuela's Interior Minister wrote in one email, "Don't think of it as a loan, think of it as solidarity." The documents also describe Venezuela providing FARC with rocket-propelled grenades – and training in the Middle East on how to use them to shoot down Colombian military aircraft."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121089380665096969.html?mod =djemEditorialPage
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Huck took himself out of contention with his attempt at humor at the NRA.
K.G., yeah, old Johnny Little, as Neo calls him, will have to cross back over the aisle to go to the GOP convention to be crowned head of the party. |
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Thanks one hot minute. It is good to network with you and others of the center right. I enjoy your posts and the alley-oops you throw for us. Mrs. Rich from Ventura, work and church stuff keep me pretty busy. Occasionally, I post under another nom de blog from my laptop while away traveling, Shash Ligai Nahalin.
I have noticed that thicket of nettlesome neo-librarians. I suppose they mean well, but they know not what they do...
I also enjoy sparing with PL and the Center Left team. Some libs like PL are worthy opponents although I notice he has been pretty testy on this discussion thread.
The nut-rooters are the most fun really. They constitute a target rich environment. Unfortunately they generally hit and run.
Be well...
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It's a riot to hear otherwise seemingly intelligent people who say they are voting for Obama because he is "trancendental." What a hoot! He was supposed to transcend race, transcend the baby boomers, transcend the '60's. Transcend our conflict with radical Islam. Transcend political divisiveness (like that's a bad thing)--meet in the middle and make the Blue States and the Red States the United States. He was going to transcend the past, turn the page and move on into a clean, glorious unencumbered, virginal future.
And what have his leftist associations with Wright, Cone, Ayers, Farrakhan, Hamas, FARC, Che Guevara, Sol Alinsky et al done to the political discussion? Turned it right back to 1968. We're even debating when Jack met Niki and bomb shelters. And whether or not there will be tear gas in Denver.
The Cold War may be over, but the old battles continue on. And Barack is not the solution. It appears he is smack dab at the heart of all the old problem.
In a weird way John McCain is more transcendental than Barack.
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Phil: No kidding that all politicians are suspect. Too bad we can't take 'em down, point a gun to their head and force them to take the Hippocratic Oath: Do no harm.
We all have to make the cynical calculation re: who is going to be the most harmful. Domestically: Obama promises to be the most harmful by raising taxes. Internationally: Obama promises to be the most harmful by erasing whatever leverage we have in a world dangerous to the US. His over-all mission is to grow the nanny-state by using the money he safe on defense.
I fear all politicians. Most are venal, not very smart and serve other interests besides me and my country. They and their beaurocracies have power over my life over which I have no control.
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will get some help for his alcoholism as a result of this convulsion. Hope so. Godspeed, Bud. |
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Rich from Ventura Co.,
We enjoy your posts---wish you'd post more frequently.
As you've noticed, there's a contingent of far, far, right wing commenters at Townhall who hold the Orwellian opinion that there's no debatable policy differences between McCain & Obama.
I wonder if they'll continue to hold that position once they get their 2010 federal income tax bill, courtesy of President Obama.
And Justice Bill Clinton will write the majority opinion for the Supreme Court that the 65% (!) federal income tax rate IS "Constitutional" since it was duly passed by the (majoritarian Democratic) Congress ! |
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Does he not exhibit stroke-like symptoms every day after 5:00....? This is not news....
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Pasadena Phil writes: "The more you myrmidons talk, the fewer of you there are."
I had to look that one up Phil. Good one.
Did you mean to say that am a robot or a hired ruffian?
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that you were sick of Conservative Thinking.
Well, off with you then. |
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Kennedy stuff all fair, but you need some time to think about yourself, Sadistic. Marquis de S/A86.
Say something good about yourself, dear. |
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for the good of our country in time of War. But, God help Johnny Little--and us ALL--if he loses his mind and names the smooth grifting populist ponzi schemer, Huck, his VP! |
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Keep talking. The hole gets deeper and deeper for your High Priest of Global Warming. If there is one thing that Obama is 100% right about, it is that you Republicans, having nothing else to sell, have been reduced to fear-mongering. It might work with you nose-holders living in your cartoon world but I live in the real world where ALL politicians are suspect. The more you myrmidons talk, the fewer of you there are. |
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I was just doing a "Sport Center" type re-cap of the more noteworthy parts of Ted Kennedy's life.
Take it up with the Kopechne family, Spooner....
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Pasadena Phil wrote: "Stick to telling us what YOU think and the rest of us can speak for ourselves."
Gosh you are right. Mea culpa, I should stick to my knitting.
I most assuredly do not want an energized Democrat legislative branch passing all of Obama's new mandates and appointing 2-3 SCOTUS.
Frankly my dear Pasedena Phil, I do give a darn...
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Patriotic Liberal writes: " an a California through and through..."
PL, I bow to your California-ness... You found me out, I am a transplant from the Snake River Valley.
Gosh, PL you have been kind of edgy on this discussion string. What up with that. |
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immensely, Gentlemen. Has PasaPhil been hitting the bong again? Hell, most of us around these parts, planning to vote for Johnny Little, are by NO means "McCainiacs"! But, the Narcissistic & cowardly pantywaist, Bazama, is unthinkable. A Disaster of realistically horrific proportions to our country and large sections of the world. And there, like some PC Liberal Dweeb, sits Phil accusing ussins' of being racially effected!? I can say, with absolute confidence, that Lib-Dems I've long known in the Film Industry freely admit(off the record)to me that B.Hussein Obama has neither a Clue nor a prayer. They say this subsequent to the amazing unwinding of his previously "spotless" campaign. They'll still use their very deep pockets, but it's mostly for appearances with a wink & a nod. I'm luvin' it.
Question: Do you suppose The Bloviator would mind going out to Victor Davis Hanson's family vine farm near Fresno, falling to his squalid knees and begging the Great Man for mercy? |
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Pasadena Phil wrote: "Stick to telling us what YOU think and the rest of us can speak for ourselves."
Gosh you are right.
I most assuredly do not want to an energized Democrat legislative branch passing all of Obama's new mandates and appointing 2-3 SCOTUS.
Frankly my dear Pasedena Phil, I give do darn...
...which is why I am like Romney vigorously supporting McCain |
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Regardless what party you belong to or the belief system you possesses, I find it despicable that you would viciously attack someone when they are being treated for 2 seizures. I’m a conservative and do not agree with Ted Kennedy on any issue, but I would never step into the swamp and personally attack someone who has health issues simply because you disagree with their policies. It serves no purpose. |
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K and K,
I remember that time well. It was about bluffing, not threats. It was resolved, and why wouldn't it be? The USA, armed to the teeth, and the USSR, similarly armed, were in the midst of resolving that most evil war, WWII, which both parties won. Wars take a generation to end.. does anyone in this country now worry about nuclear war, bombshelters, and the Russians are coming? Nope |
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Apparently, Jeremiah Wright wasn't the only one at Trinity United making outrageous comments.
But lets get everybody on record now-if Cindy McCain was caught in church railing against the "nig***s", would that be the end of the McCain campaign?
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the symptoms of delirium tremense, apoplexy and coronary condition are pretty much fungible, this could be Tedskis last ride in an emergency vehicle.
Some have described Teddy as a lion, and I might tend to agree: he was a lyin' when he gave his statement to the Chatham Township Police. And, he was a lyin' again when he expressed the belief that his nephew had not raped that poor woman in Palm Beach.
For the dimocrat party he has been an anchor. Are the Kopechne family visiting his bedside? Is there a pitcher of ice water there?
Do you suppose he will be buried at sea like JFK Junior and Rose Kennedy were. While Tedski was NOT piloting JFK Junior's piper-cub, he certainly drove Rose's hearse, hence her burial at sea.
Nautical tradition and all of that...Caped Cod really is a charming place.
Will Tedski be buried in his searsucker suit from Cox's? Or, celebrating another Massachusetts tradition, in his coxucker suit from Sears?
babakazama's most ardent supporter (the one who can't pronounce his name) may soon achieve room temperature...a tragic loss for SEIU, the Teamsters, NARAL and Qu33r Nation. |
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the symptoms of delirium tremense, apoplexy and coronary condition are pretty much fungible, this could be Tedskis last ride in an emergency vehicle.
Some have described Teddy as a lion, and I might tend to agree: he was a lyin' when he gave his statement to the Chatham Township Police. And, he was a lyin' again when he expressed the belief that his nephew had not raped that poor woman in Palm Beach.
For the dimocrat party he has been an anchor. Are the Kopechne family visiting his bedside? Is there a pitcher of ice water there?
Do you suppose he will be buried at sea like JFK Junior and Rose Kennedy were. While Tedski was NOT piloting JFK Junior's piper-cub, he certainly drove Rose's hearse, hence her burial at sea.
Nautical tradition and all of that...Caped Cod really is a charming place.
Will Tedski be buried in his searsucker suit from Cox's? Or, celebrating another Massachusetts tradition, in his coxucker suit from Sears?
babakazama's most ardent supporter (the one who can't pronounce his name) may soon achieve room temperature...a tragic loss for SEIU, the Teamsters, NARAL and Qu33r Nation. |
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Pasadena Phil,
I'll state it again; when you infer that those of us who support John McCain may fear an Obama Administration due to the color of Obama's skin, you really devolve the conversation.
McCain & Obama differ on many substantive issues.
I fear Obama's policies. I don't care what color a candidate's skin is.
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Both for the song parody, AND for noting that Jagger sang anonymously in the background of the original. I caught a whole lotta carp when Simon's song came out, for pointig that out. No one believed me.
As for Obama winning in the EP, as PL predicted: say whaaaa? Hillary's won all the big EC state primaries, ALL of them. That's her major reason for saying "Our Redeemer in the Tight Jeans" can't win.
As for Our Saviour himself: with each passing day he reveals himself to be a naif. Deep down, he's shallow. By election day he will have imploded.
As for this 30 years "on the brink" carp: anyone who lived as an adult during the Cuban Missile Crisis knows that it, and only it, rose to the hairy edge of actually going to war. Our strategic forces were fully armed and ready to launch, all across the US and around the world.
I lived on an airbase, and I can tell you the bombers on the aprons had tell-tale red tags hanging from their bomb bays, indicating they were carrying nuclear weapons ready to be armed and dropped.
This country was collectively holding its breath, waiting for something truly awful to begin.
That had never happened before, and hasn't happened since.
(when the Russkies finally caved (in return for us retiring the Jupiter IRMBs in Turkey), I remember one wag saying that their ships supposedly carrying missiles were actually shipping Vaseline to the Virgin Islands. Old joke, but it helped defuse the tension.)
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You can place whatever adjective you want in front of your nouns but your candidate is running as the GOP version of the Global Warming High Priest while advocating the creation of the biggest and most opaque government bureaucracy ever and opening the borders for a new underclass of permanently poor people to compete against our poor. Isn't that what scares you about Obama? The Senate just allowed Feinstein to attach a MASSIVE amnesty rider on the Iraq spending bill. Where was your "conservative" candidate? I just don't think that America cares for a "far, far, far left wing liberal socialist parading around as a Republican. They like their liberalism straight and properly labeled. Face it, you McCainiacs are nothing more than improperly labeled left-wing Democrats. |
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If Cindy McCain was caught on video railing against nig***s, would that be the end of the McCain campaign?
Simple question-yes or no? |
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I looked at your spreadsheet and you're not serious, right? Do you know the difference between relative spending and absolute spending? We weren't talking about who earmarked a greater portion of the federal budget to defense (the answer to that is Reagan in the margins). We were talking about the uptick in defense expenditure, which began with Carter. If you have a President who believes military expenditures are pretty much the only legit function of the national government, and who also thinks that taxes are too high, guess what? military expenditures are going to increase as a fraction of the overall budget.
I mean, buddy buddy...I thought you were smart. From the narrow time span of several years, the best way to track relative defense spending is as a fraction of GDP. Among other things, it is inflation adjusted. Of course, over the longer haul, an advanced economy can afford to allocate a smaller fraction of its output to defense (or anything else, for that matter). Like I said, the build-up began with Carter--in the second half of his Presidency. That is the fact. |
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Pasadena Phil wrote;
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"So what is it about Obama that scares you so much anyway? The black thing?"
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Pasadena Phil,
When you infer that those of us who support John McCain may fear an Obama Administration due to the color of Obama's skin, you really devolve the conversation.
McCain & Obama differ on many substantive issues.
I especially fear an Obama Administration because Obama is a radical far left winger who is naive and clueless about the threat of Islamic Jihad.
I also fear an Obama Administration because the type of judicial activist on the California Supreme Court who just overturned the direct will of the people is the type of judicial activist Obama would nominate to the Federal Judiciary---and with a majoritarian Democratic Congress, that's scary.
Also, Obama believes I'm not paying enough in taxes.
I disagree---I believe I'm paying too much in taxes.
And I find it scary that a President Obama believes that working in concert with a majoritarian Democratic Congress to raise taxes will actually be good for the economy.
Phil, those of you sitting on the far, far, right of the political spectrum may not believe there are differences between the two candidates, but everyone else seems to identify the differences.
That's why the MSM, the left, and the Democrats intend to throw the kitchen sink at Johnny Mac. |
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..and Mrs. PL has me cooling my heels. As they say, "you have to wait for her, but she is worth waiting for.."
Rich from Ventura: what's your problem, man?! I thought you knew a thing or two. Spare me your phony baloney populist hooey. I've been up and down the Golden State more times than you can count. I'm a fifth generation Californian. In fact, the side of my family that has been in America the least has been in California the longest. My kid is sixth generation and there is a child in my extended family who is seventh generation.
My dad's family is from what they call "Superior California," which is basically northern northern California. In addition to my wife's niece, I have cousins in Fresno and I have been there often--since I was a kid. The woman, a Fresno native, laughed at my wisecrack. But not the self-serious lout from Ventura. No--he had to make a pseudo "man of the people" point. What a joke you guys are. And really, Rich, I thought you were on the ball.
I'm the guy who introduced the distinction between east California and west California. That is the real breakdown of CA. I am from east California. Where are you from, Ventura boy? Or are you from one of the other 49? |
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The Republican theme has been "be very afraid". This is the tactic used over and over. We were supposed to be afraid of Communism. Now we're supposed to be afraid of radical muslims. Yes, we were brutally attacked on 9/11, but we know who did it and have failed to pursue the individuals who killed our people. Mr. Hewitt is just one more loud mouth right wing pundit basing his rehtoric on the same old scare tactics. To call Mr. Obama "stupid" is crude and arrogant. Millions of people have voted for him, so he obviously has the intelligence and ability to run a very good campaign. All of these dictators and self appoint leaders say a lot of self promoting BS. Saddam said a lot of threating stuff, yet it turned out that he was full of shi#. The same goes for Iran. Everyone in that region spouts off about Israel. They don't like Israel and it's been that way for 60 years. Mr. Obama is not talking about bending over. He's saying that discussion is the only way to logically approach these problems. He's not going to make some lame deal to appease some tinpot dictator. He will, however, attempt to find out what the major concerns are. In order to defeat an enemy, you must first know him. This "cone of silence" and threats of violence that we have done solves nothing. These Republicans are now trying to tie Mr. Obama to Neville Chamberlin, as if this is the same situation. You couldn't make Wright stick, so now you're trying someone else. Here's a thought, let's have the candidates debate the issue and explain their positions. Why are you so afraid to simply debate the real issues. This strategy of trying to tie the Dem candidate with some evil or ineffective individual is all you have. I think Republicans actually fear that their failing policies have been exposed and realize that the Democrats are sweeping them clean. |
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Historically the Dems since WWII have been in a negative slide toward American foreign policy. Uncle Joe of the Rooskies was their fave. They blamed America for the Cold War. The Chi-coms were called agrarian reformers; Dulles, Ike , Truman were war-mongers. The Party blamed America. Nam came and went. Ho was their fave as was Castro and all the FALN movements and Red Brigades all over the globe. The Party blamed America. Reagan came into office and dealt with the evil, aided the Captive nations, stood up to the Rooskies. The Dem Party blamed America. Even Nixon in '73 before leaving a disgraced office stood up against Russian imperialism in the Med. near Israel. Dems blamed America. Dems love the Pals, Hamas, and all the Islamos because after all America kept them in darkness, took their oil and kept them in prisons. They blamed America. With Bushies, we took on Saddam, the Taliban, and even by proxy the nutters in Iran. The Dems blamed America. Carter, Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, McDermott, Biden, Leahy, Obama have all blasted the President when he was overseas as well as our military who they branded Nazis. Carter is a pro at blaming America and his protege, Obama is just learning the 60 years of liberal socialist pacifist Democrat appeasment. Both Steyn today and the WSJ have excellent articles on why it really is called appeasement. Liberals on this forum should read them. After all, they are supposed to be fair, objective and intellectual elites. If the shoe fits, wear it boys. Or will you as per usual , blame America??? |
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"Funny you should say that. Given that it is supposed to be the very nature of conservatism to respect and defend our heritage, the lack of historical knowledge among today's conservatives is really disturbing. I mean, how can one respect and defend what one does not know? What this generation of conservatives respects and defends is not our history, but a cartoonish (and buffoonish)narrative. When it comes to history, I'm a better conservative than conservatives."
Who's teaching revisionist history, by their own admission, in our colleges and universities? |
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Your candidate is in desperate trouble, a very deep hole. He needs to start making friends. Yet he and his myrmidons continue to bash conservatives, the largest and most involved voting bloc of all, while futilely kissing up to the Dem squishies who are still operating on neutral. If you guys really care about turning the situation around to avoid the cartoonish nightmare scenario you keep throwing at us, maybe you need to reconsider your positions and tactics. The GOP is a very hostile environment for conservatives these days and not very convincing to the liberals you guys are trying to win over. Very bad game plan. Of course, maybe if you insulted us with more FEELING.... Nah, hopeless. You guys are dead from the neck us. You need to become Democrats. They are electable with the platform you guys are defending. So what is it about Obama that scares you so much anyway? The black thing? Certainly not the McCain-style liberalism. |
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That is lame.
What does Rich from Ventura Co want?
Child molesters in Congress.
Wait a minute! That can't be right! If Rich wanted that, maybe he would have said that?
Stick to telling us what YOU think and the rest of us can speak for ourselves. |
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King Lib writes: "What's up with Scarlet."
Scarlet wants an energized Democrat legislative branch passing all of Obama's new mandates and appointing 2-3 SCOTUS.
Frankly my dear, he doesn't give a darn... |
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Depends if the Stupid Party gets on the ball in the next 2 months to get back con voters. They seem to be waking up lately. It could really go either way. I just have a feeling that McCain is going to win this election by default. It's like watching an NFL strike season playoffs - somebody's gotta win.
Squashed Possums = middle of the roaders, ie mods.
I was complimenting you on the notion of Webb as VP. Even though he gives me the creeps, many voters find him to be a solid American.
And I meant that the GOP only fights hard when they are in the minority (which they pretty much are or will be). They have no clue what to do with a lead.
A filabuster? - McCain's Gang of 14 fought hard to make sure that no future Congress majority party would do that! (sarcasm on) I just know the Dems wouldn't do that to the Stupid Party after all they've done for the Dem/libs. hahaha
Disclosure: I used to be a Repub but do not recognize them now. |
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You mean he follows NASCAR and Formula One? Isn't that like being a Yankee fan AND Red Sox fan? |
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...remember that the Cuban missile crisis would have never happened (not to mention nearly half a decade of Fidel's rule) if the Bay of Pigs invasion had succeeded as planned. Kennedy refused to back up the CIA-trained Cuban exiles after the invasion. A Big Stick is useless if it is not used properly...duh! |
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Patriotic Liberal writes: I'm off to the god forsaken bed of conservatism in Fresno."
Bye, Pat when you get back to civilization in San Fransisco drop us a line...
I am sure the Fresno denizens of Fresno appreciate that you condescended to grace them with your presence...
What a loyal Obamanic you are... |
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When is McCain going to grow a beard and start piling on the tubbage? I can just see the day when he and the Goracle, dressed in flowing robes and topped by a wizard's cone hat exchange magic wands atop Mount Olympus to declare a unified Church for Latter Day Earth Cultists. Invest in crystals... and canned beans. |
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Good call on Obama having Webb as VP. That'd be a brilliant move.
I doubt Obama of Nazareth will win due to the Squashed Possums being more afraid of terror attacks than drawn to the Messiah. The SPs will most likely start cryin' and push the button for the Great Exasperator when it comes down to it. Unlike Cons, who will not.
But, if Obama wins, he'll likely be going against a Congress of newly elected or chastened Stupid Party members who will fight for a change against him. The Pelosi led Dem/libs are toothless already. The Stupid Party loves the role of butt viewer, they are comfortable with that. So Obama will have some troubles even if he wins.
That's why I'm not worried too much either way this election. I think by 2010 and 2012, the Stupid Party may have wised up OR a strong 3rd party, the Conservative Party, will be on the move.
I may vote for the other bi-racial guy, Bob Barr;) |
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And get ready to pay out the wazoo for "improvements" that will add up to about a .00001% improvement to the planet. Spread out over a hundred years of course...
Sheeeesh. |
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The High Priest of Global Warming is going to condemn you to hell for that one. |
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Forgive me, Carly Simon for doing this to your fantastic song:
You walked over the Party
Like you were walking onto a Yacht
Your finger strategically placed up high
Keating almost got you caught
You had one eye in the mirror as
You watched yourself go by
And all the Libs dreamed that they'd be your partner
They'd be your partner and
You're so McCain
I bet you think this country's about you
You're so McCain
I bet you think this country's about you
Don't you? Don't you?
You had me several years ago
When I was still quite naive
And then you lost the 2000 election year
But you said you would never leave
Now you're trashing all the things I love
You push for amnesty
All the cons dreams, they were clouds in my coffee
Clouds in my coffee, and
You're so McCain
I bet you think this country's about you
You're so McCain
I bet you think this country's about you
Don't you? Don't you?
All of our dreams they were just clouds in my coffee
Clouds in my coffee, and
You're so McCain
I bet you think this country's about you
You're so McCain
I bet you think this country's about you
Don't you? Don't you?
Well, I hear you teamed up with Russ Feingold
And your bill naturally won
Then you flew your Lear jet to Hyannisport
To get Teddy's advice how to run
Well, you're blocking judges all the time
And when you're not, you start
to suck up to some Media Guy or the Dem/libs
Yeah all those Dem/libs and,
You're so McCain
I bet you think this country's about you
You're so McCain
I bet you think this country's about you
Don't you? Don't you?
(that's Mick on the background vocals)
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I'm going to have to sue you if you don't stop using my song which I stole from Carly Simon. I wrote it about McCain. "You're So McCain"
check it out;) |
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In regard to Chamberlain-Hitler agreement/appeasement v. Hussein-Ahmandinajahd agreement/appeasement:
Hitler demanded Czech; got it; then marched on Poland.
Europe, except Churchill, was ecstatic in 1938 with the Munich deal which appeased Hitler. By 1940 Chamberlain was a joke - one of the "Men of Munich". Churchill said: "We have suffered a total and unmitigated defeat...you will find that in a period of time which may be measured by years, but may be measured by months, Czechoslovakia will be engulfed in the Nazi régime." and "We are in the presence of a disaster of the first magnitude...we have sustained a defeat without a war..." and many other prescient things. We know what happened next and the cost to Western Civilization in blood and gold.
So, here we are in 2008. If Hussein needs to talk to Ahmandinahad, what is it that they need to discuss? Hasn't Ahmandinajad demanded something, ala Hitler?
OR
If Ahamanbaddinajad is no problem, why does Hussein need to talk to him?
AND
What must Hussein do to get Ahmakdinahjhad to stop whatever it is he is doing or wants to do?
I think you Dem/libs are squealing from a direct hit. You are playing with words. What good is talking if neither side gets what it wants.
btw- we are at war and Ahmadhadistan is our enemy and is funding death to America.
and, like the highbrow gutless wonders in 1938-1939, folks like Kerry and Dem/lib ostriches will be ecstatic. For a little while anyways... |
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King Liberal said: "They jump on words like "appeasment" (sic) while they themselves have no platform."
Actually, JFK wrote the book on appeasement.In 1940, Kennedy completed his thesis, "Appeasement in Munich," about British participation in the Munich Agreement. |
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Spoon said: "I have a two part question... why did Obama *assume* that remark was directed at him personally when the transcript mentions no such name?"
Good question. Perhaps Carly Simon will answer that question in her new album something like this:
You walked into the Democrat party like you were walking onto a San Fran parlor
Your naiveté strategically displayed.
Your "street cred" all intact.
You had one eye on the mirror as you watched yourself rap for the libs
And all the Dems dreamed that youd be their savior
Youd be their savior, and...
Youre so vain, you probably think that speech was about you
Youre so vain, Ill bet you think that speech was about you
Dont you? dont you? |
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