Already posted my previous reply, "McCain has supported abortion", over on the old "59, 38, 32, 5, 1" blog. After posting, I realized that that blog was pretty much expired.
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I place more weight upon what a candidate has done than upon what he alleges that he will do if elected.
McCain ALLEGES that he is Pro-Life.
McCain IN FACT has personally aided and abetted pro-abortion Democrats in attacked the Wisconsin Right To Life, Inc..
This occurred when he joined Rep. Christopher Shays (R-CT) and Rep Martin "Marty" Meehan (D-MA) in filing a Amici Curiae brief to support blocking Wisconsin Right To Life, Inc from informing the Wisconsin electorate via television adds of the fact that Russ Feingold (D-WI) had supported and was planning to continue supporting a filibuster of G.W. Bush's pro-life judicial nominees. Meehan, Shays and McCain further desired to have the electorate blocked from being informed that the three candidates running against him in the election had expressed that they would oppose senates blocking the appointment of pro-life judges via filibuster.
Please read McCain's own words. Legally, McCain took ownership of these words from the hired lawyers when he placed his signature first upon the document. Please don't simply take my word for it. Read the document for yourself. It can be found on-line at:
http://jamesmadisoncenter.org/WI/McCainACBrief.pdf
It is critical that as presidential primary voters we know and understand that the president cannot pass any law affecting Pro Life issues. That is the constitutional prerogative of the legislative branch.
The principle Pro Life impact a president can have is through appointing Pro Life judges. With this Amici Curiae brief, McCain supports stripping the president of even that much influence on Pro Life issues.
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The irony that so many of these people are lining up behind Mitt Romney, a guy who was a Massachusetts liberal until he started running for president, is simply bizarre.
Ruffini has set up an unscientific online poll aimed at Thompson supporters and they overwhelmingly (2,404 of 3,304, or 73%) say they’d switch to Romney. As of this writing, 2024 of 2302 wouldn’t be swayed even if Thompson were to endorse McCain.
This just goes to show that politics is largely irrational. People say that issues, judgment, and experience matter but, in reality, personality and style are what drive attitudes about candidates.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/01/fred_thom pson_loss_ends_republican_party/ |
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That's ridiculous. Mitt would be the easiest to defeat. He is the remaining candidate most in bed with the failed Republican leadership, AND he has a record of being a nuanced, flip-flopping say-anything politician from MA. What, in '04 we were not supposed to vote for a MA flip-flopper, but in '08 we are?!
In this cycle, with Iraq and Katrina and the burgeoning deficit and a flagging economy under your belt, you want a guy with a little arms length from the Republican elite. A McCain/Huck ticket would do the trick. Romney may flimflam gullible Reep voters about being "an outsider" and "cleaning up the mess in Washington," but the broader public sees him for what he is: an insider hack who is more of the problem than its solution.
As for your notions about an MSM conspiracy against Romney, that's nonsense too. In the first place, what the corporate MSM wants to see is excitement, tension, a story-line that attracts attention. The MSM is tabloid, not "liberal," and tabloidism plays into Republican hands. That's not a new development, by the way.
Romney's bigger problem is with his fellow candidates, who are almost uniformly contemptuous of him. Why? Because he engages in beneath the radar smears. Because he'll say anything to "close the deal." And because he challenges the conservative bona fides of men who have been a conservative for a heckuva lot longer than him. |
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Since Romney is gaining some momentum and has terrified the MSM/Libs with a new Rasmussen poll showing him with a 5 point lead in Florida we are already seeing the spin hyping McCain as leading in other states (liberal states of course). The all important hype of Florida being the next must win state will soon be displaced by the cry that Superduper Tue will be the new must win scenario, downplaying the now unimportant Florida race (if Romney still leads/wins).
Get ready for the battle of conservatives vs liberal/democrat/MSM as they all combine to derail Romney. They won't be able to do it. Rush is making my point on the radio as I write!!! With Fred's run now history (bless his heart) a conservatives last hope is Romney. It's now time for conservatives to come together to beat the real enemy, liberals, democrats, independant liberals. |
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If I'm not mistaken, Lombardi's first real coaching job was at West Point, under the great Red Blaik. While with your Giants, as I'm sure you know, Tom Landry was his counterpart on the defensive side of the ball. How your Giants let BOTH of them get away is beyond me. Must be the Mara connection..
But you are right to cite his NY origins. Lombardi was one of the "seven blocks of granite" for Fordham University, as I'm sure you also know.
Nice win by your boys last night. I've had Plaxico on my fantasy team for the last two years, so it kind of felt like it was my guy out there. Glad to see Tynes split the uprights in sudden death, shutting up Buck and Aikman.
I heard it was the Pats -15 for the Super Bowl? That, in the face of all those NY bettors. Read somewhere that Vegas has lost its shirt with the Patriots this year.. |
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The MSM knows that ROMNEY is the Conservative that Republicans will rally around if Hillary if the Democrat Nominee. They are desperate to get him out.
Rasmussen (world's most trusted pollster - even if he is a dem) has Romney up by 5. You can expect MSM polling to come out showing McCain with a HUGE lead to try and offset that.
The MSM lie in the polling? Look at the average sample used in MSM polling of Bush. It is not unusual for their sample to include a 20 point advantage to Dems. Oh yeah, they cheat at polling so long as it meets their agenda.
It is as if they say to the pollsters - "Ok, here are the numbers we want and we won't pay you unless we get 'em".
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According to Rasmussen, Romney has opened up a BIG lead in Florida!
"The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds Mitt Romney with a lead in Florida’s Republican Presidential Primary. John McCain and Rudy Giuliani are close behind in what may develop into a three-man race. It’s Romney at 25%, McCain at 20%, and Giuliani at 19%. Romney has picked up seven points over the past week while McCain and Giuliani each inched up a point."
I think there is a good rationale for this:
1. Fred supporters prefer Romney 3:1 as a second choice over anyone else. God love him, Fred is done.
2. Giuliani is stealing moderate voters from McCain. Ah those lovely moderates. Also, no primary-crashin liberal indies get to vote for McCain in Fl (thank God!).
3. Huckabee is fading badly and those voters may be going to Romney rather than McCain (least of all evils from their persepctive).
4. The race is now about the ECONOMY which has been BROKEN BY POLITICIANS and maybe a businessman is needed to save it.
5. Romney, tanned, lean and handsome will appeal to Floridians who appreciate a bit of glam and flash.
6. Romney has always polled well with the 65+ crowd and there are LOTS of them in Florida. |
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I hope you recognize how INACCURATE internet polling is. Also, this website is mostly frequented by Romney SUPPORTERS who will likely vote in the poll just to see what the numbers are. I sure hope you don't have a follow up blog opining about the pro Romney results. |
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FLASH: RASMUSSEN Florida poll to be released: Romney 25, McCain 20, Giuliani 19... Developing.. |
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types and whatcha'call Brain Surgeons. Or did I mean Paulistas & Huckleberries? Whatever. |
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No, you are confusing him with the transvestite Hero of 9/11, Rudy Giuliani. How you can get so confused and make a mistake like this is beyond me.
You do know that Rudy was there when 9/11 ocurred, right? |
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Isn't he that cross-dresser? Well, whoever he is, based on his supporters comments that I've read here, he must be some cartoonish nutjob running for president - like Pat Paulsen. Hehe, that was funny back in the 70's. |
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The High Ruling Council of Spathiwa called, they are revoking your spam privledges, Captain Fwiffo is on his way to pick you up. |
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I'm hoping that Fred taps into some of the money he's made from Hollywood and spots his campaign a few million to run at least through Super Tuesday. Somebody has to represent the conservative wing of the Republican Party in debates and the more he articulates his positions the better off the GOP will be for the reminder. Also I think he's got a shot if things roll to a brokered convention. I think he's the 2nd choice for most Romney and Huckabee supporters and he doesn't rub people the wrong way like Romney. (Although I can't tell how much of my chill toward Romney comes from his cutting and running on the people of MA by not seeking re-election, his Chuck Wooleryness or Hugh's incessant promotion.)
If Fred does drop out, I'll still vote for him in my state's primary, none of the others is worth switching for. (I'll vote GOP in November, however, so long as Rudy isn't the nominee.) My guess is that Fred won't endorse anyone until the nomination is pretty much decided -- a rally round the flag kind of endorsement that all the competitors will have to engage in. If he does become McCain's running mate it will be out of a sense of duty -- to help McCain hold the base against Hillary or Barack not because he agrees with McCain. I think McCain might go for Gov. Pawlenty, however, to make a run for the Upper Midwest and the Catholic vote which is the key swing demographic.
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Freedom is a powerful message
Ron Paul gets that concept. The others don't. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LenPKPqvdJA
To the Underdog, Ron Paul's theme song! |
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There was a reporter who said where the Extreme Right meets the Extreme Left there is Ron Paul.
I agree...however....it's mostly Libertarians, Constitutional Party members, crazy Alex Jones Troofers, and then just some hardliners who side with us....but we're also taking some leftists with us too.
Our problems stems mainly from media coverage or lack there of...hint hint Mr Hewitt...... |
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I have a close friend who also happens to be extremely liberal (I am a conservative, but reading these blogs I can never be too sure.) This guy is to the left of Edwards if this is possible.
Well the other day this guy says to me that he is changing his party registration to Republican!!! And more than that to vote for Ron Paul!
What did you guys to to my friend! I mean do you have some magical hypnotic powers to turn anarchists, commies, lefties, nazies, klan members, and other extremists from all ends of the spectrum into Paul supporters.
I have gotta find out where you guys get this mojo. I mean Kucinich has the hot wife. What do you guys have?
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you hit it out of the park !!! Maybe we should have a pool of just exactly how Hugh will spin it. I almost think he will not acknowledge it all and immediately jumps to another bandwagon of wrong he always seems to find. If my memory is correct he never owned up to;
painting the map red -hahhaha
harriet miers - wow
ohio state - 3 times now, wow I remember hearing a lot about how Florida would lose, never heard much when they won
Cleveland Indians and cavaliers - this might be what Hugh does here - he might claim he always knew Mitt couldn't win, at least that is what he did with the cavaliers
Election 2006- Hugh promised the Pubs would win the house and senate - never owned up to it
Santorum -he's gonna pull it out I just know it.
the trend is that Hugh never admits he was wrong, he just moves on to the next disaster he believes in. He has the anti midas touch.
So I say February 6th even though it is painfully obvious, Hugh will not acknowledge a Romney defeat, he will ignore it or spin it for a win
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understands what he is talking about!romney/mormon thing!
as for his question about wyoming,nevada,michigan
different answers for different states!
wyo.,nev. are very lds populated as idaho,utah!
michigan is in a terrible money mess! mitt has been very successful in money matters! so they
voted for him!no...it wasnt his dads image that won it for him..juan mc mexico got more votes than mitt from the age group that was around during geo. governorship! but mitt won more votes from the evangelist than the preacher! so cut and dry theories are not always falling in place !
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Well it's sure been fun watching Hugh spin every solitary occurrence into "great news for Mitt" and watching him attempt to convince us all (and himself) that McCain will never be the nominee. But given that McCain now leads in EVERY national Republican poll, and also leads in the most recent polls in Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Connecticut, I think deep down we all know McCain is going to be the nominee. Hugh's pro-Mitt spin has been as willfully blind as that of the kids at Daily Kos back in 2004 when they were all sure Howard Dean would be nominated.
The only drama left for me is to figure out when Hugh will concede it ain't gonna happen, and how he will spin Mitt's demise.
I think Hugh will probably blame the media, and also blame it on anti-Mormon prejudice. Both excuses are as lame as they are predictable. While it is true that the media love McCain, the fact is they loved him 8 years ago too. But Dubya got past that, and if Mitt were a stronger candidate, he would have too. And if anti-Mormon sentiment played a role, why didn't it matter in Michigan or Wyoming or Nevada?
No, Mitt lost because he came across as a fake, plastic, insincere guy. His flip on abortion seemed totally insincere, and in the end, people liked an experienced war hero who sticks to his guns (example: could anyone ever imagine a guy like Romney defying all the polls and taking the lead in favor of the surge? inconceivable. )
You heard it first here folks: Mark your calendar for February 6, the day Hugh Hewitt blames the media for Mitt's demise. |
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How about some examples of what you refer to? The Constitution was written so folks without law degrees could understand it. Funny, with all the lawyers in the Congress it is funny how little they seem to know of it. That includes the former attorney general. |
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Wrong wrong wrong wrong...those are media estimates. We won't know the full count for months....but we kept track in the Ron Paul Forums.
And RON PAUL ROCKED THE HOUSE.
I guess ull figure that out in a few months though. |
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As much as you people claim to know constitutional law, when you speak of it it is painfully clear that you have not even scratched the surface. You do the founders and the document itself a great disservice. Shame on you. Do the noble thing and go to a decent law school before you speak. Yes, those of us who actually have been can tell. |
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all the Nevada delegates have now been awarded. Mitt Romney gleaned 17 out of 31. The other 14 were split between Paul, McCain and Rudy.
Sorry to put facts into that tin hat of yours. |
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You're probably right. Most of these folks will vote for McCain over Clinton despite there being little difference between the two of them. They are both globalists. They'll do it because McCain has an "R" after his name and with some folks, Party first, foremost, and forever!
Principles be damned. |
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Another 600 dollars of my money being sent...*sigh*
Go Paul! |
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"You'll all vote for him when it's McCain vs. Clinton, and you know it."
I wouldn't even vote for Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter vs. Clinton
I don't vote for RINOs. Sorry not my thing. |
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O boy...can we raise a million at least I hope. |
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"I'll never vote for McCain. He is a liberal!"
Yadda yadda yadda
You'll all vote for him when it's McCain vs. Clinton, and you know it.
What a bunch of whiny crybabies... |
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I stopped listening to Fat Rush a long time ago. good thing too. He doesn't even do interviews, he just blowhards. |
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"uhhh...someone missed the memo I guess. Quick borrow 2 trillion dollars from China so we can finance the occupation for another four years."
That's what this guy seems to think.
"CALLER: I'm here. Sorry. Yeah, I was just wondering, like, how does he plan to do it, by printing more money or does he plan on doing it through the actual tax cuts? Because the way I understand economics is if he prints more money, then doesn't that cause inflation, which would actually be a detriment to the economy. I mean, I'm all for tax cuts, but it just seems to --
RUSH: That's a good question. I don't know if we print more money or just get it from our loan reserves or call the ChiComs for it, maybe the Saudis. We have plenty of places we can go to get it. You know, there is an economic stimulus plan C. I erred when I said there's only plan A and plan B. Plan A, give everybody a little money; give every house a little money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, election year especially, works really great. Plan B, stimulate the economy, tax cuts, making tax cuts permanent beyond 2010. Plan C, don't do anything. Plan C is not on the table. But it is an option."
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011808/content/ 01125108.guest.html
EIB Institute for Advanced (neo)Conservative Studies.
Of course there is Plan D, Dr. Paul's rx for curing financial hangovers caused by too much rotgut Fed Reserve. :D |
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O boy....once your junky RINO drops out, which other junky RINO.
Can you stomach MCCazy kickin' u around for the next 4 years?
How about the rodent hunter? no?
How about the gastric bypassed-up Suckabee. you like him?
Ghouliani aka Mr. 9/11? You like a man who can say 9/11 500 times a day on repeat?
Then there's this guy....who the GOP Establishment is too sexy for....and you failed to mention in your list... RON PAUL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi9c8uyvTfw
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For Fred Supporters: If Fred Thompson drops out of the race, which major candidate would you support?
Selection Votes
Rudy Giuliani 14% 356
Mike Huckabee 5% 140
John McCain 8% 205
Mitt Romney 73% 1,892
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"Remember, there is only one principal this country was founded on: Freedom from Government"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRq-gelZFgg&feature=related
Damn...I thought this country was founded on "party loyalty"
Missed the memo again. |
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austinnelly,
Did you read James Kirchick's latest blog where he said Lee Rockwell was the one who wrote all that racist stuff bashing MLK day...O wait...4 of the 5 selected "racist"passages in the Ron Paul newsletters selected by Kirchick were bashing MLK day. All of the the 5 racist passages selected fell between 1990-1994. The newsletters were clean prior to Rockwell becoming ENC.
Then there's the fact that....RON PAUL VOTED FOR MLK while the "racist" Ronald Reagan opposed MLK day.
So with all due regard, va a la chingada. |
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The Chicago School of Economics (..you know Milton Friedman...the one conservatives love to talk about) was based on the Austrian School of Economics.
uhhh...someone missed the memo I guess. Quick borrow 2 trillion dollars from China so we can finance the occupation for another four years.
ya so..Apparently, McVain's message of Hope, Optimism, Awesomeness, and being Tortured the most is catching on.(video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bce2rev5mq8&feature=user |
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Anybody who thinks the Dems aren't positively wet with anticipation of going against McCain as they watch his teleprompter guided doughtery speach? |
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"The rest of the GOP is campaigning on big government, nation-building, and amnesty...."
Opps! You forgot one--fiat money, too!
Did you see Thompson make a fool out of himself last debate when Paul tried to explain the real source for inflation, that is, printing money with no backing in precious metal?
Fred: "Now lets see if I got this straight...
Thompson thought he was being cute, but he didn't understand it at all. Come to think of it, there are a number of people here who don't understand this concept either. |
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Soo...we've flushed 1.6 trillion down the John in Iraq.
Doesn't Hewitt favor murdering Iranians too?
McCain needs a lobotomy- that dude is a lunatic. |
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All Ron Paul needs is media exposure, which he's not getting. Maybe you haven't been paying attention to Fox News censoring him constantly?....err look at Hewitt's scoreboard. Isn't Giuliani the fringe candidate here?...guess not.
Regardless, the GOP will lose Nevada to the Democrats when 14% of the people stay home.
Well we ain't going away. We campaign on truth and an ideology that is correct. The rest of the GOP is campaigning on big government, nation-building, and amnesty....so we'll see who ends up winning this thing.
We ain't going out like that.
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Let's suppose that by some miracle Ron Paul delegates swamp the Nevada State Pepublican Convention. And wins Maine. That will give him all of 10 or 15 electoral votes in the general election.
And who was that with the IQ of 60?
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spathi writes: Sunday, January, 20, 2008 9:26 PM
RINO, lying Fred Thompson
Here's Fred endorsing Ted Kennedy amnesty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkN2fYnMTBs&eurl=http://cons ervativesagainstfred.wordpress.com/
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For some people...being the party establishment becomes a business, and they're only in it to make money.
Cha-ching
Cha-ching
Cha-ching
Cha-ching
Cashing out now. He makes enough to pay the electric bill while he cheer leads flushing another 1.7 trillion down the John.
Goldwater would be rolling in his grave at these people.....
AuH2O Jr. is campaigning for Paul right now in Florida. He'd make a good V.P. |
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Zero-Windchill. Barbaric! Torture! Like a Fargo woodchipper! The Giants coach looked like his chill burned face was going to fall off!
Bradshaw was a pesky little skeeter...ALL OVER. |
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Class city. Great people. You folks in GreenBay are great. Always remember, Vince Lombardi was from New York. You share a common thread with the first team he coached----the Giants. |
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Bittersweet. Have the highest admiration, respect, appreciation for Brett Favre. What a class act. And his wife, Deanna. Great lady. What a couple. I can only say, I sure hope he plays one more year. Please, Brett, stay one more year on such a young team. Great front line. Come back, Brett Favre.
CONGRATULATIONS GIANTS. ENJOY THIS WIN. And get ready for Arizona. I hope you learned your mistakes from the last go around with New England. Great game, Blue...
Kick those cheatin' New England a**es. |
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I don’t really care what kind of government Iraq has, and I have even less faith in the idea of us building their Democracy for them…and even if we could….why would we want to?
And why do we give these countries like Israel and Pakistan a dime? They don't deserve anything from us. We need to defund them, and deport all the illegal aliens and terrorists here in the U.S.A.
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I've never seen that clip of Thompson endorsing Bush/McKennedy, but it doesn't surprise me. I've known for a long time about Fred's real views on illegal immigration.
On that same link I found this exchange between Hugh Hewitt and a Ron Paul supporter you might enjoy. No wonder Hewitt deliberately left Paul's name off the results he has been posting. The Paul supporter made him look like an ill informed fool, which is what he is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvxTsgPTig0&feature=related
An to think, this clown teaches Constitutional law. No wonder we are in the mess we are in. |
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Meaningless because the profile of the person who would be likely to support FT is very different from the profile of the type of person who would be a regular reader of this blog, esp. the comments section. Have fun, but it don't mean a thing due to the sampling problem, Pat. (I'm sure you know that--your job is just to drive traffic). |
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on the Mormon flip-flop.
Never takes a difficult position; never tells a hard truth. His wont is distillate of hokum.
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Fred served as McCain's attack dog against Huck in S.C.
Once he drops out and endorses McCain and McCain has Thompson as his V.P., most of you sheeple will be back on board in support of McCain. |
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Private Pile you must be God$@$% Genus!!
As a Ron Paul supporter I've been cheerleading McCain for months to try to get him a win. When one person's RINO (Fred Thompson) gets knocked out of the race, they are forced to support someone else junky RINO.
Ron Paul Revolution feeds on anger and disenfranchisement at the GOP establishment.
Go McVain!
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Here's more about good, ole Fred when he was a lobbyist for Aristide of Haiti, among other things. Thompson tries to present himself as an outsider, but he is very much a part of the beltway gang.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/index.php?articleid=11189
Numerous links backing up the claims of the writer.
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I wish he could be the nominee. But barring that, I hope he is McCain's VP. |
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I'll tell you something funny. If McCain gets the nomination it doesn't matter which one of the other CFR members like Thompson or the televangelist running he picks as his VP. The Democrats will have a field day of running that clip where McCain said he didn't care if we spent a million years in Iraq and that is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to McCain utterances.
The Republicans will get slaughtered this November and I wouldn't be surprised if they lose more seats in the Congress. The Republican party really is the "Stupid party", a title they well deserve.
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spathi...i appreciate your info on fred...but to say romney supporters have an IQ(60)...is rather weird...as if you were some einstein yourself! iam a supporter of romney...and have an equal IQ equal to yours or higher..that is evidenced by your IQ comment! but iam not going to insult you because you are for paul! and if you think paul is going to be nominated........tch, tch, tch. i like some things about paul...some things...but not enough..simple as that!
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liberal positions and legislation such as McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy-Edwards, McCain opposition to Bush Tax Cuts in 2001 and 2003, and the McCain Gang of 14, make him completely unacceptable. |
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FRED THOMPSON HAS CLASS
No bull, never lied, never spun his record or his beliefs.
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He IS the only consistent conservative.
Regardless of past friendship with McCain, Fred surely now sees that McC is not a conservative at all and wants only the power of POTUS. He's an egomaniacal tyrant who actually believes we are always stupid and he is always right.
Fred would not turn us over to such a person.
Rudy has no character, no morals. He will fade.
Huckabee panders using his religion and is incompetent to lead this great nation.
Romney says "the devil (TED K) made him do it" - govern like a liberal in Mass. Now he has seen the conservative light. So why would we believe him?
And where did all these Democrat posters come from on OUR CONSERVATIVE website???
Go Fred! |
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Maggie...I don't vote for RINOS like Fred Thompson.
1) Flush another 1.8 trillion down the Bush-McCain crapper
2) Amnesty for all illegal aliens and terrorists
3) Secure Iraq’s borders
4) Murder some Iranians. |
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You make me sick just like the MSM and the RINO's.You can't argue with his record or his principles so lets crucify him in the media.How American.Fred Thompson all the way to the White House .And he'll not hold any of your stupid amoral and liberal garbage against you though you don't deserve it.all of you need to find another party the GOP is for real conservatives-no liberals allowed! |
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Romney supporters were too dumb to read the rules in Nevada....rather than complaining....they should read the rules and run as delegates.
All delegates must be elected by themselves and has nothing to do with straw polls.
How help for the helpless I guess. The average Romney support has an IQ of about 60 so they didn't get the memo I guess. |
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... I would support Mitt or Rudy without reservation.
If Fred were to endorse McCain (which frankly, I could not imagine in my wildest dream he would do...), I would not support him. In fact I believe there is little difference between he and any Democrat. Four year of Democrat rule is likely to result in a Conservative revival (if the US survives it in the first place)--possibly meaning a landslide for a real conservative (Jeb?). Whereas if McCain were to implement virtually the identical policies (except perhaps he would be more hawkish), the electorate's backlash four years later would be against Republicans. McCain would effectively destroy the conservative coalition in the Party so I could never vote for him.
For these reasons, if Fred were to drop out I think he is more likely to support Romney or Rudy. |
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Tell you what, I know a talking point when I hear one. Of course all of the rest of you are ohso civil when it comes to your candidates. No name calling or anything like that. There is one thread where quite a dog fight is going on between the supporters of McCain, Huckabee, etc that is a lot more nasty than this one. The truth of the matter is that you only think candidates approved by the GOP/neocon talk radio establishment should be discussed. Too bad, we aren't leaving. |
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Part 2 from I Perceive.net
Simon { 01.20.08 at 7:00 pm } McCain’s foul temper is so legendary that it earns several paragraphs on the first page of an anger management site. Not much comfort in this for those looking at him as a possible President.
According to a story in the May 19, 2007 New York Post, he has been “dogged for years about his volcanic temper.” At that time, over a dispute on immigration reform, he erupted in anger shouting, “F —- you!” at Texas Senator John Corwyn, in a bipartisan meeting with a group of senators and their aides. He followed that up with, “I know more about this than anyone in this room.” Even if that claim were true, it makes for a rather peculiar negotiating style.
Do a Google search of your own if you are curious; put in (McCain + anger). Or variations of same.
And by that same date, May 19, 07, he had skipped 42 votes. Where the heck was he?
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From IPerceive.net
edgar { 01.20.08 at 6:36 pm }
Leadership is not just organizational ability (which Romney has in spades) it is management style, particularly how an individual deals with disagreement. McCain has shown over and over, in one situation after another, that he simply doesn’t tolerate disagreement. He uses x-rated language, he shouts, and he is over-quick to disparage his opponents, and he is impulsive. McCain is a high-maintenance personality, and we can’t afford him. He would be a disaster.
Romney has shown he deals with confrontation with courtesy, without losing his stride. He is able to focus on issues rather than personalities. He is not Reagan, but he has the same relaxed, good-humored style. Romney’s stellar academic record, contrasted with McCain’s bottom-five standing on graduating from Annapolis, also says volumes. So does his record of dramatically turning around losing propositions in business. He governed successfully as a conservative in a liberal state.
If Republicans blow their chance at a man like Romney, and elect one like McCain instead, it won’t take 24 hours for buyer’s remorse to set in.
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Conservatives need to suck up as many delegates as possible in order to win but at least have bargaining power at the convention if nothing else.
Maybe sit in the front row and throw stuff at McCrazy when he gets up there?
What do we call him anyways?
McAmnesty?
McHundo?
Mc100?
McCrazy?
McCentury
McVain?
McEgo?
McHundred?
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Arby do you support spending another 1.6 trillion and flushing it down the Bush crapper.
Four more years of occupation and nation-building, aka the platform of Bill Clinton and the for left.
John McCain amnesty?
I say no!
Ron Paul 08'! |
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Ron Paul is a little hard to take. His zealous behavior sometimes comes across as a little ranting and raving, especially in a televised interview.
Ron Paul fans, on the other hand, aren't a little hard to take. They're impossible. They rant, they rave, they swear, they insult people and call people names -- in short, they behave in ways that, even if their candidate were the MOST endearing of all candidates, would turn everyone off.
There's a prime example on this thread. And it is getting harder and harder to find intelligent, reasoned, thoughtful debate on TH because of the multitude of these fruitcakes. |
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"It's just that... I wish I knew where these guys were coming from. It will be a great day, in the not too distant future, when they eat the final dirt cookie."
Unlike you I don't do any of that stuff. On the other hand I bet you get the lion's share of your news from neocon talk radio and Fox. Your post indicates that to me.
If "we" do ever eat that dirt cookie I'll save you part of it for you will be eating it as well.
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Anyone who supports four more years of occupation and another 1.6 trillion flushed down Bush's crapper machine, are the insane ones who watch Star Trek and read comic books.
I assure you the Ron Paul people are quite sane. |
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Besides I have a friend who lives in Nevada and his precinct went Romney, but they elected 5 of 5 delegates for Ron Paul.
He said the Romney people were mostly half senile people who had watched too much (Dumb)Fox News and Mitt Romney commercials that he saturated the media markets with his personal fortunate.
Romney is a slime-ball and no one actually wants to do grass roots work for him.
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Goldwater got Arse handed to him in the primary states in 1964, but he swept up in the caucus game.
Ron Paul has a passionate army of delegates who are coming to that GOP convention in furza who are against 1.6 trillion nation building junkets, against the income tax, against amnesty, and against the nanny state.
Don't starve the beast, SLAY THE BEAST. Ron Paul 08'! |
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spathi: Why is he [Paul] winning Maine?
LOL!
If anything entertaining comes out of this election, I hope that we get some demographics on these Paulbots. Do they...
1) Love Star Trek?
2) Read Comic Books?
3) Eat quiche?
4) Think Elvis is alive?
5) Listen to Metallica?
I've got nothing against Star Trek, mind you. And I guess quiche is ok... if you're on a date or something. Etc.
It's just that... I wish I knew where these guys were coming from. It will be a great day, in the not too distant future, when they eat the final dirt cookie.
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DodgerHawk says..
"He didn't. Wrong Paul came in a distant second to Governor Romney in "Nevada. In fact, Governor Romney pulled in almost four times as many votes as Wrong Paul."
Are you talking about the straw poll held yesterday?? Ya Romney won that but he didn't win every prescint...moron...he lost NYE county big time, which was the nuke waste mountain site, among other areas.
But straw polls don't matter...delegates do...and a butch of old retirement homes voting because Romney saturates the media market means nothing...if their people aren't passionate enough to sign up for delegates.
Ron Paul did GREAT in the delegate game yesterday. What you're seeing is a media estimate of delegates based on percent straw poll results.
In reality, Ron Paul won Nevada. |
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Fred has campaigned on the idea that he has been the "consistent conservative." Many of the core conservatives of the Republican party have supported Fred for this very reason. Endorsing McCain would be a slap to their faces. Perhaps he would do best to drop out but not endorse anybody.
I'm a Romney supporter and Fred is my second choice. I would assume that for many Fred supporters that the feeling is mutual, that Romney is their second choice. They're looking for the most conservative candidate. I don't see how McCain can be viewed as much of a conservative. |
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Why did he (Wrong Paul) defeat Romney in Nevada then?
He didn't. Wrong Paul came in a distant second to Governor Romney in Nevada. In fact, Governor Romney pulled in almost four times as many votes as Wrong Paul.
I don't know where you're getting your information, spathi. But it's totally wrong. |
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Fred was a lobbyist for Aristide of Haiti. See the link I posted for Elvis above. In fact, Fred was a real big time lobbyist. One of the best money can buy. Still feel good about your vote? I bet you do. |
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Here's more about good, ole Fred.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/index.php?articleid=11189
Numerous links backing up the claims of the writer. |
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1.6 Trillion spent, with HUGE future obligations in government run health care to pay for these veterans we've messed up.
2007= most violent year in Iraq yet.
nation building sucks, and it's the platform of Democrats
Amnesty sucks and is the platform of Democrats.
Ron Paul offers a return to Milton Friedman and Chicago School Economics and a return to the constitution, which most republicans hate anyway. |
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Ron Paul couldn't win the election for dog catcher in Hoboken against Dennis Kucinich. Haven't you noticed? Ron Paul was, and will continue to be, a complete laughingstock at the Republican debates."
Why did he defeat Romney in Nevada then? Why is he winning Maine?
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Fred's a nice old gent, cute wife, but he's gone.
Mitt and Huckabee are close to gone; Florida may tell. |
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Ron Paul couldn't win the election for dog catcher in Hoboken against Dennis Kucinich. Haven't you noticed? Ron Paul was, and will continue to be, a complete laughingstock at the Republican debates. |
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"Here's a thought for the Mittbots. David Gregory said last night that Bush and his advisors feel Romney is not the right man to lead the party."
Do you really think David Gregory has _any_ reliable insight into what Bush and his advisors are thinking? Honestly, I don't think you could have picked a journalist more despised by the Bush administration (largely because you won't find a journalist who more depises Bush...OK, maybe Helen Thomas, but only maybe). |
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and read with an open mind...just for a few minutes------ recall when bush practically kissed
kennedy for joining mc mexico on the illegal bill
they tried to shove down our throats? And he said
Kennedy was a great senator! do you agree with that..?if you do..your beyond reason and there is nothing more to say!If you dont agree with bush about kennedy being a great senator...then why in the world would you care about bush thinks so and so isnt the right man for the party??! duh! look at the money allowed to be spent..stupidly by bush! and iam not talking about iraq...either! get a grip fellow!
elvis |
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and read with an open mind...just for a few minutes------ recall when bush practically kissed
kennedy for joining mc mexico on the illegal bill
they tried to shove down our throats? And he said
Kennedy was a great senator! do you agree with that..?if you do..your beyond reason and there is nothing more to say!If you dont agree with bush about kennedy being a great senator...then why in the world would you care about bush thinks so and so isnt the right man for the party??! duh! look at the money allowed to be spent..stupidly by bush! and iam not talking about iraq...either! get a grip fellow!
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I'm a Fred Thompson supporter and I can promise you this. Under no circumstances, will I vote Mitt Romney in the primary. He is a fraud and a sure loser in the general election. I will be so glad to get rid of influence you and other Bush big government conservatives have on the party.
Here's a thought for the Mittbots. David Gregory said last night that Bush and his advisors feel Romney is not the right man to lead the party. Hah! |
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if fred goes mc mexico...forget them both!
as for the comments about mitt...i have one to be true ..i heard it direct..about 2 months ago
mitt said one of the first things he was going to attack..was the porky entitlements of govmnt.
including the politicians..! do you think the establishment(both parties) want this guy in washington...h**l no! a friend of mine said many mo. ago..who also was aware of this comment..elvis...even the gop doesnt want this guy in there! they are really in love with each other(forget the balogna talk)..the two parties!
i know a jewish orthodox, a democrat(conservative) catholic...both feel mitt is the most qualified. i hear all this talk about a conspiracy to keep mitt out..i dunno..maybe so?!
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Let's see.
Huckabee campaigned in Ark (a moderate-conservative state) as a conservative but governed as a LIBERAL. He could have easily governed a conservative but he didn't.
Romney campaigned in Mass (a flaming liberal state) as a moderate but governed as a CONSERVATIVE. He could have easily governed as a liberal but he didn't.
What was that about undependability again? |
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Is Romney Viable? [Jonathan Adler]
Romney leads in the delegate count, but I think this weekend's results show astounding weakness in the candidate who was supposed to be the most electable conservative in the race. Consider two things: 1) Romney spent $4 million and 22 days in South Carolina, and still finished behind Fred. 2) Romney has not one any seriously contested constest. Nevada? Wyoming? Please. Where Romney has made a major investment (Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina) he has failed. Michigan? No other candidate made a comparable investment or effort to winning the state, so I'm not sure that helps the case.
What's Romney's problem? For many folks (my self included), it is a perceived insincerity. I too often get the sense that Romney is saying what he thinks folks want to hear instead of what he believes. It isn't just the "evolution" of his views, it is also the small things: The small, subtle exaggerations that arise when Romney is trying to ingratiate himself with various groups. (Remember Romney the life-long hunter?) The blatant pandering to the auto industry in Michigan in a way that suggests some very unconservative views. Romney's MBA style does not help much here, as it reinforces the perception of Romney as someone who solves problems without much regard to underlying ideological principle.
Does this mean Romney's finished? Not necessarily. In a one-on-one race, he may be the least bad option. There's no question I'd support Romney over Huckabee (Then again, I'd support anyone over Huckabee.) There also may be many folks who would support Romney over McCain. But unless the race winnows down to a one-on-one soon, I would think Romney's in trouble.
[Yes, my guy is in even more trouble, but I'm trying not to think about that right now.]
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...this poll will show Romney winning the Fred vote since Rom-bots love Hugh.
Ruffi -- you are starting to lose some credibility by your association with Hugh.
Romney has not won in a state where he's had any real competition.....it's been proven that his strategy of buying the election is simply not working. |
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Yeah I want to vote for the preferred candidate of the clinically insane!!
Go back and look at the increasingly retarded posts you have left just in this thread.
Is your little brain so twisted that you think calling us names is going to get your History challenged ex-OB?GYN elected president??
If you do you really are Insane.
Let me make it clear enough even a mentally challenged paulite like yourself can understand.
WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR RON PAUL!
No matter how many times you call us silly names
No matter how many online polls you spam.
No matter how many times you scream his name.
At one time, I actually took some of his ideas seriously, but after the past few months dealing with unhinged IDIOTS screaming his name in my face, if I ever met the man I'd have to slap him upside the head. And I wouldn't vote for him if you put a gun to my head. So STFU already!
I voted for Fred Thompson on tuesday, and I felt really good about my vote. I voted for the one man that I agreed with almost 100% and has the right stuff to guide this country though the rough times ahead.
If I have to I'll vote romney, but huck, mcshame, rudy? Zzzzzzzzzzzz
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http://mccain-mccant.blogspot.com/ |
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I don't care about endorsements (especially by Hugh Hewitt). Fred '08!!! |
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Clueless dude.
Romney just won by 37 points in NV and you think voters don't like him? Romney has three 1st places finishes and two 2nd place finishes and the voters don't like him? Romney has the most total votes and the voters don't like him? Romney has twice the delegates McCain has and the voters don't like him?
Clueless. |
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You can expect that any MSM polling coming out fo Florida over the next week will show John McCain receiveing a HUGE BUMP out of SC and Romney in a distant 3rd.
Don't believe it. The MSM sees the aging an fraile John McCain as their best chance to win in November. Why? They know that if McCain gets the nod, Conservatives will stay home in drove and all those Indies and Dems that voted for him in the Primaries will vote for Hillary in the General. |
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Like the Constitution party? I remember Peroutka from 2004: "The war on terror is unconstitutional!" How juvinile.
If Fred stays in the race, it'll only increase my disgust with him. He never was in this to win, at least not after he lost his early momentum. |
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You need to worry more about Huckabee in FL than McCain.
The better voters get to know your boy, the less they like him.
The reverse is true for Huckabee.
Mitt has tons of money and has a "last man standing" strategy of delegate acquisition instead of momentum cfreation, so we shall see.
Fl will be quite revealing.
I predict Mitt will get fourth, behind Guiliani. If Fred hasn't quit, Mitt may beat him and perhaps Ron Paul, too.
But Huckabee and McCain will be first and second.
Hopefully in that order.
They are the only two that can beat Hillary (and certainly Bill, just ask Barack) in November.
Mitt's money is huge, but his negatives and undependability will prevent him from getting the nomination.
We need to win in the general and people realize that a vote for Mitt in the primary is a vote for Hillary in November. |
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digits in FL. Fred is broke. Flat broke. He has no advertising and no organization in FL. He will not "drain votes from Romney". He will have no impact at all. If Fred endorses McCain, that also will have no effect as Fred voters despise McCain and won't vote for him just because Fred says so. |
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I would guess they left him out to reduce the chance that Paul fans would spam the poll like they have so many other online polls. I remember a particular AOL poll that had 40% Ron Paul support across the country, which came up a bit short when actual votes occured. |
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has pointed out things about fred that i was not aware of......maybe i've been watching too many
law and order re runs! the guy doesnt seem to be the guy that i thought he was!
romney/duncan..??????
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I like Fred but if he drops out and supports McCain, I will vote for Romney or Giuliani.
I will never forgive McCain for his McCain-Kennedy amnesty for illegal invaders, his gang of 14 stunt on the federal judges or so many issues where he teamed up with the Dems to the detriment of this country.
I will never vote for McCain when my primary comes around. |
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If Fred endorses the RINO McCain it will get get McCain no votes but lose Fred all his credibility as a conservative.
LET ME SUM UP MCCAIN'S VICTORIES SO FAR:
John McCain has narrowly won two contests in small states never getting more than 37& of the vote. Without the votes of cross-over Democrats and Independents, he would never have won at all. He has been CRUSHED amongst Conservatives in both contests. His average margin of victory is 4 points compared to Romney's average margin of victory of 23 points. He now has half the delegates that Romney has and is despised by the Republican Establishment (including Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter).
FLORIDA:
If Fred leaves, Romney gets his voters in Florida (by 3:1, Fred voters have Romney as a second choice). Giuliani drains moderate votes from McCain. Huckabee is badly wounded by losing SC and will likley do poorly in Florida. Expect two solid weeks of people like Rush Limbaugh declaring that a McCain nomination will DESTROY the republican Party.
Lastly, and most importantly, Florida is a CLOSED Primary. No Indies voting for McGrumpy. |
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...I vote for Fred. If not, Romney.
No way I vote for McCain, period. He may have been a hero as a naval aviator but he's been a selfish, disloyal punk as a Senator. |
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All he did after waking from his somnabulistic and pathetic excuse of a campaign, is kill Huck's chances in SC and guarantee the victory for your guy. I am not any any way giving up, but SC doesn't make FL and Super Tues any easier...
Fred is just Weak.
Fred '08 was just a weak and dismal effort from a guy that would have been the *nominee* if he didn't PROVE that he really didn't care.
Maybe if you are THAT old and married to a woman like Jeri, you have to conserve your energy and only show up every couple of months and then return to hibernation, but that doesn't work if you want to be president.
Fred is weak and will soon return to A&E where he belongs. McCain, I'm certain appreciates the Huck-struction in SC, but you are ON CRACK if you think Fred adds anything in the future.
Fred's gone and good riddance. |
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I doubt this hurts McCain's support among Democrats. Republicans may even care about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVQEaUZDjiU |
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Fred endorses Romney? Hummmm.... I don't think he's cut any type of deal with McCain. Huckelberry did, that's for sure. But not Thompson. |
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"Fred is the only true conservative running."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Fred = amnesty supporting, campaign finance reforming, nation building 6 foot 6 undead RINO.
Please geT OUT OF THE RACE FRED THOMPSON! |
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What kind of poll is that? Where is Fred on that poll? I've voting for Fred Dalton Thompson!!! I'm way down in Kentucky and will be in one of the last states that will be allowed to vote in the primary but I fully plan to vote for Fred. The race is not over yet.
Fred has not dropped out of the race and I have not stopped supporting him so I don't need to even consider who I would vote for if Fred was not in the race. As a Fred supporter we stand much stronger right now than people who have chosen to support Rudy G. but you don't hear the press calling for him to quit the race.
Fred is the only true conservative running. He is promoting Military strength and is a very strong supporter of our Veterans. He has a solid set of Principles and he does not flip flop around the issues. He has the experience to be able to walk in and work with foreign leaders from day one. He offers the best plan to improve Social Security of any candidate running. He is the only candidate with the National Right to Life endorsement. His stance on immigration does not discriminate against anyone it only enforces the law and we certainly need a few more elected officials that are willing to enforce the laws of the land! When asked about church attendence he was willing to give honest answers knowing the press would play up the answer against him. I want a man that gives me honest answers rather than trying to portray himself to be somebody he is not just to match his answer to the current popularity polls. The only major slur against him the press has came up with is that he is "lazy". How can any man accomplish everything Fred Thompson has done in his lifetime and carry a "lazy" reputation? When the lazy slur didn't work the press has tried to tell everyone he is dropping out over and over again in an effort to get the Fredheads to give up. We aren't giving up we are holding our heads up high and standing behind our candidate.
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"I've formed a third party already.
Unlike the above comments left by trolls, I am a real Fred guy.
I started a third party lst year, but put it on hold when Fred entered the race.
If he drops out, I'll continue making a real alternative possible.
I encourage others to join me in changing the nature of our political choices."
O you have have you now? The Libertarian party split in half in the 80's and Mises Institute and Ron Paul took the Paleo brand (the good brand!)
As a result the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party have both offered him their endorsements and top of the ticket!! Then of course we have a butch of troofers with us taggin along but not many.
That means if you're even thinking of voting Constitution Party or Libertarian...you might be voting Ron Paul
And a billionaire is running ads for us now in the early states.
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"And John McCain should listen and trust Fred
Thompson's advice because he is smart and right."
VPs goes to foreign funerals. They do not give policy advise (at least for experienced Washington insider). BTW, former President Nixon had Thompson in his team. He said that Thompson is "dumb as hell". Given his campaign strategy, maybe he was on to something.
I agree that there isn't any kind of official promise of VP slot. (McCain would probably pick Sanford or Pawlenty ie a conservative with good conservative executive record). Thompson is a close friend with McCain and he just likes him so he wants to help him. They were both in Senate Centrist Coalition, with Olympia Snowe and bunch of democrats.
Helping McAmnesty to win the presidency may be Fred Thompson's legacy to this country.
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Unlike the above comments left by trolls, I am a real Fred guy.
I started a third party lst year, but put it on hold when Fred entered the race.
If he drops out, I'll continue making a real alternative possible.
I encourage others to join me in changing the nature of our political choices. |
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"Rumor has it that Senator Thompson has cut a deal with McCain to stay in the race in order to hemorrhage votes from Huckabee and Romney in"
This has been pretty evident for months. Thompson refused to go after McCain's policy positions, instead he attacked only Romney and Huckabee. He was basically "Bad Cop" for McCain (like Bill is for Hillary).
I'm afraid that he and Huckabee hang around. They know they cannot win, but they can block Romney and help McAmnesty to win.
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I seriously doubt there is any such agreement, but the best thing that John McCain and the GOP could do is have Fred Thompson run as his VP. And John McCain should listen and trust Fred Thompson's advice because he is smart and right.
Unfortunately, Fred did not catch steam. But he is the best GOP candidate. |
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Mitt is my favorite with Fred second and Rudy third.
Huckabee appeals to very little in our base and again McCain's biggest weakness is exactly what Michael Graham at NRO wrote:
"If you really want to see McCain's weakness, however, try this thought experiment:
It's October, 2008. America's economy is in a recession. People are demanding change and new ideas, someone to give them optimism and hope on domestic issues. On stage, facing off in their final presidential debate to discuss jobs, economic policy and hope for the future are John McCain and Barack Obama.
And be sure to imagine how it will look on television, and to people who don't really follow politics (they are, after all, the swing voters who will pick the next president).
Now, tell me again how any Republican won tonight...?"
Actually I think this is true if it's Hillary too. He'll make Hillary look like a spring chicken.
Plus McCain has already hinted at running only for one term so a vote for him seems like a wasted vote for the future of the GOP.
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I was so excited when I heard Fred was entering the race--took long enough--now it is time for Fred to leave and my sickly gut feeling is that he is staying in to block Romney and help his long time Rino friend McCain---friendship first and country second??? I just don't know--if he backs McCain I'll think my gut was right. I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR MCCAIN even if Fred is his running mate. It probably would turn me off even more--- |
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Rumor has it that Senator Thompson has cut a deal with McCain to stay in the race in order to hemorrhage votes from Huckabee and Romney in exchange for McCain's V.P. position... |
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How conservative was the electorate that cast ballots on Saturday (in a big, ehtusiastic turnout despite inclement weather)? Exit polls showed 69% of GOP voters described themselves as “conservative” (as opposed to “liberal” or “moderate.”) Among those self-styled conservatives, an overwhelming 61% went for Mac and Huck; only 35% for Mitt and Fred).
http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/6dee8f0b-a7a5-40c6 -b670-c0637d945de1
In an election where most voters were GOP (more than 80% and most were conservative) almost 70% of them voted for either McCain or Huckabee.
Mitt is facing the downfall here. Too bad about Fred (who I wish could catch fire) but Mitt is not a good alternative. |
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