First time I got a chance to watch this. Boxer is a dimwit and got called on it. She had the courage to call out a General for calling her maam because of her disdain for the military. However, when this Black guy does it, she says nothing...typical coward. This guy recognized her for what she is...a racist and the reason blacks don't get ahead in the Socialist (er Dem ) party.
This guy had the guts to say what most people who come before the Senate or Congress want to say and should! Tell the pompous and ignorant politicians to just S T F U! |
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Bob Munck writes: Thursday, July, 16, 2009 8:24 PM
sloandog 7:59 PM
"If Munck beleives blacks evolved from apes and whites evolved from blacks than why did blacks stop evolving?"
(Again, no apes involved.)
No one has stopped evolving. Every human being has at least a dozen or so, and possibly hundreds, of unique minor mutations due to transcription errors during the fusion of egg and sperm, environmental radiation, and chemical contamination.
Maybe one of your minor mutations gives you a slightly better or worse chance to survive and reproduce. If so, and if that mutation breeds true and the environmental factors persist, your line of descent will prosper and grow or wither and die out. That's evolution; you're doing it right now.
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Munck! You are forgetting one thing! If we all evolve constantly, then when did it start? What event caused it all to begin? You have to simply wind the clock backwards and see clearly that a single event caused it all to begin. Evolution is just a survival factor of a greater creation.
There is no parallel universe or expanding and contracting universe. It is all one universe created and expanding. Einstein showed that it was in fact a finite and expanding universe. E=MC squared with C being the speed of light. The universal constant. Evolution is no explanation for creation. No just a trait of that creation! |
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"Ludacris?? He should try it this way: l u d i c r o u s."
Ludacris is spelled correctly. And given Sloandog's general level of confusion, I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually referring to the rapper. |
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Sloandog made the boo boo not munckey boy. I apologize. |
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Ludacris?? He should try it this way: l u d i c r o u s. |
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"Anyone reading the progression of your posts can take pleasure in how you were baited into this discussion,only to try to justify your first irresponsible and ludacris post on evolution of humans"
Everything I said was scientifically accurate and unbiased. If you have trouble with some of it, maybe you need to learn more. You don't seem to be able to understand anything having to do with science. |
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Anyone reading the progression of your posts can take pleasure in how you were baited into this discussion,only to try to justify your first irresponsible and ludacris post on evolution of humans.Now you are in a predicament liberals fear the most and that is trying to prove your pathetic point and being caught PC incorrect. Just like Sen Boxer did.You guys are so easy. |
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IT IS ABOUT TIME:
that " Senator " corrupt criminal liar, dumber than utterly stupid, arrogant Boxer got her clock cleaned.
EXPOSE the DEMOCRAT RACIST PIGS for what they
really are:
FINALLY !
CHEER the man with a spine! |
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"You are the one that dug this hole"
What hole? Are you having trouble understanding my explanations and answers to your questions? |
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You are the one that dug this hole.I just handed you the shovel.BTW you can stop digging now you are deep enough. |
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"If your going to justify your evolution theory using blacks as first in line than you have to admit they are closer to the forest ape (the accepted beginning of the evolution tree) than the whites."
Good grief! THAT'S racism.
Humans, apes, and chimpanzees are all modern species that evolved from a common ancestor called Australopithecines. Australopiths were not human, ape, or chimp, but an earlier form of all three species.
I don't know where you came up with the "forest ape" garbage, but you seriously need to read a book on evolution. I'd say 9th or 10th grade level. |
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"If Munck beleives blacks evolved from apes and whites evolved from blacks than why did blacks stop evolving?"
(Again, no apes involved.)
No one has stopped evolving. Every human being has at least a dozen or so, and possibly hundreds, of unique minor mutations due to transcription errors during the fusion of egg and sperm, environmental radiation, and chemical contamination.
Maybe one of your minor mutations gives you a slightly better or worse chance to survive and reproduce. If so, and if that mutation breeds true and the environmental factors persist, your line of descent will prosper and grow or wither and die out. That's evolution; you're doing it right now. |
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I can see where you would be afraid of using (ape) in your explanation.If your going to justify your evolution theory using blacks as first in line than you have to admit they are closer to the forest ape (the accepted beginning of the evolution tree) than the whites.Science sure can be complicated huh. |
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"They went on to state that men are endowed "BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
That was a statement of principle, not a statement of fact. A large fraction of the human race has lived and died in slavery over the millennia. They obviously were NOT endowed by their creator with liberty. Likewise many hundreds of millions of human beings died at birth or lived short, brutish lives that were never free of suffering. They were not endowed by their creator with the right to life or the pursuit of happiness.
"from where do we get our rights."
Obviously from the social contract. Haven't you ever read Hobbs, Locke, or Rousseau?
"Does the same document not also say that the government derives IT'S powers from the consent of the governed, and we can tell them to stick it any time we see fit....?"
Well sure, but it's pretty much all-or-nothing. You can withdraw your consent from government, and government will withdraw its support from you. You don't get to pick and choose. |
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If Munck beleives blacks evolved from apes and whites evolved from blacks than why did blacks stop evolving? |
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"So professor after the blacks evolved from apes the caucasians evolved from blacks!"
Right (except for the "evolved from apes" part). Homo sap. evolved in Africa with high levels of melanin in their skin because they were exposed to intense ultraviolet. As some humans migrated to higher latitudes and more forested areas, that became a problem because they weren't producing sufficient vitamin D, so natural selection caused their descendants to have less melanin and thus be lighter-skinned. Later migrations back to lower latitudes caused those populations to grow darker again.
"I'm glad you cleared that up without any hint of racism."
Racism?
paddy o'furniture writes: "Does this mean that whites are "more evolved" than blacks?"
There isn't really any sense of "more" or "less" evolved. Populations in areas that have high winds and dust evolve more hair in their noses; are they "more evolved" in some sense?
Life has been evolving on Earth for 3-4 billion years, and every single one of us represents a unique path of evolution from the beginning to now. Deciding that some sets of those paths are "better" or "higher" than others is an exercise in futility. |
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Since Munck believes that humans "evolved" over "a million or more years," that puts him squarely at odds with the Founding Fathers. They all signed off on a famous document that reads, "....all men are CREATED equal." In fact, they considered this to be "SELF-EVIDENT."
They went on to state that men are endowed "BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
My question is this: If they believe that our rights were endowed by our Creator, but Munck does not believe there is such a Creator, from where do we get our rights....if indeed we have any at all? From the government....? Does the same document not also say that the government derives IT'S powers from the consent of the governed, and we can tell them to stick it any time we see fit....? (paraphrase)
What do you think.....? |
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are you babs?
"I wish you would call me 'douchebag'. I've worked hard for that title and I believe I've earned it." |
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Paddy is correct on this one. The One is only approximately 8% black. The funny thing is that all of a sudden, a guy that was born of a white mother, and virtually raised by white grandparents in a white privileged society, is all of a sudden the epitome of an "African-American". Yes we have the first African-American first lady, but the President is little more than a poseur. He has merely used his 8% African-American blood to gain access that he would have never had as a white kid. The question to ask is: If Barack Obama had been Barry Oberton, would he have made it anywhere close to the Presidency with his lack of a record, questionable associations, and his tendency to have hidden everything vital to knowing who this man is? I think not. |
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I heard that today about the dems... we should make that term stick when addressing this atitude. |
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...that whites are "more evolved" than blacks....?
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So professor after the blacks evolved from apes the caucasians evolved from blacks!I'm glad you cleared that up without any hint of racism. |
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there is a certain Brigadier General laughing his a$$$$$$$$$$$$ off.
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"So....where do 100% of the black Africans descend from?"
Homo sapiens sapiens evolved about 200,000 years ago from homo habilis, which in turn had evolved through several species from the genus Australopithecines over a million or more years. |
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So....where do 100% of the black Africans descend from?Step lightly my friend. |
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"The largest percentage of Obama's racial makeup is white - 50%"
We're all descended 100% from black Africans. |
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to change. Why are the leftists, the libs and the Democrats so determined to attack earth's natural changes? What is wrong with the natural weather changes the earth has experienced since its beginning?
Why does this same bunch think they can control the weather?
Fluctuations in climate are normal. Trying to change natural fluctuations is abnormal and weird and can only be designed to enrich an unscrupulous, pseudo-elite group. |
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Sorry you have to add Wingnuts, liars, Bush/Cheney Liars etc, etc, etc. |
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...to prove GMAB's point.....if he had one.
The largest percentage of Obama's racial makeup is white - 50% His black ancestry only accounts for about 8%.
That's like being prejudiced against me and my blond hair and green eyes because I'm an Apache....! Yep.....8%
Did you ever stop to consider that his kids are seven times more black than he is.....? |
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Racist. Racist. Racist. Republican racist.White Republican racist. Did I win the argument yet?
Racist.... |
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Obama doesn’t know a damn thing about how to create jobs. He only knows how to keep civil servants from getting laid off.
The people believed Obama when he told them his stimulus bill would create hundreds of thousands of jobs. Yet the states have used almost none of it on infra-structure projects. Amongst other wasteful uses, they have used billions of it to fill their budget deficits. So far, Obama’s stimulus has managed to keep a bunch of useless civil servants from getting laid of.
Now, we are told that another trillion dollar bill will put Americans back to work.
You may not be able to fool all of the people all of the time, but you can fool a hell of a lot of Americans all of the time.
Many Americans prefer being lied to. The lies are more comforting than the truth. |
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Ditto what Diane said.
You guys want to make everything about race. Sorry, that dog won't hunt. You think that if it was Sloe Joe Biden or Dingy Harry Reid, or Nancy Botox Pelosi sitting in the oval office pushing the same agenda that Obama is pushing, that we would not object and oppose just as vociferously?
You should be ashamed of yourself. |
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What "Give Me a Break" and others like him forget is that Conservatives hated Clinton also. The only difference now is that leftists think they can intimidate us by throwing out the baseless charge of racism when we disagree with the current occupant of the White House. It's not working, we are not going to shut up...anymore than they did when Bush was in office. |
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...in 2010. Let us hope that CA voters have the good sense to vote for ANYONE besides her. Jack the Ripper? Ted Bundy? Anybody but this loon who like DiFi, her partner in crime, is in office because their rich husbands put them in office to further line their pockets at the tax payers' expense!
Basta y sobra ya! |
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I say "good effort" to those of you who counter kayann's projections. It's necessary because individuals who lack cognitive acumen and spiritual depth might actually be persuaded by his B.S. |
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It IS racism. KA and Ma'am Babs are livid that Mr Alford didn't 'stay on the plantation' and spout the party(dem) line on 'global warming'. They hate independence of thought amongst their beloved 'down-trodden', whom they feel they own. |
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So you have decided that because we do not agree with the President it is because he is Black. You are such an idiot. Please read what your friends have written about Bush here. We vehemently disagree with this president with good cause. I would not care what color he is I think he is ruining our country. If we are at a point that we cannot make our opinions known regarding the direction of the country because we have a black president we are in real trouble. You should be ashamed to even suggest such a thing. |
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Your point is well taken that Alford was there on behalf of black business people. But that is not the issue.
The issue concerns business, not race. I would expect any number of business organizations to give relevant testimony. But Boxer made it a racial issue by entering certain memos into the record specifically against Alford because those groups represent blacks.
While Alford acts in a capacity to represent blacks, his testimony concerned business. What Boxer was trying to do is tell Alford is that he does not truly represent the interests of blacks. That is the point you are dwelling on as well.
You continue to denigrate the intellectual independence of blacks suggesting that certain views cannot truly be held by blacks, offering that the National Black Chamber of Commerce is only a front group for Exxon.
This is racism pure and simple. |
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Have the same condescending of blacks look how you talk about our president.
Just surprising your pointing out the same racial thinking you have to... |
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No, dear, Diane did not lose the argument - you did. Boxer was totally out of line and bravo to Mr. Alford, who, by the way, as President of the National Black Chamber of Commerce, should have demanded that she address him as "President" (after all, I'm sure it took him a lot of work and a long time to acheive that position), for calling her out on it. |
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A great post. It is a shame that KayAnn and her ilk will not get it.
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It's not that they are condescending,it's the fact that they don't even realize it.How many times have you said:why can't we get a regular person in office.See..Sarah Palin. |
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Your side is the one that stands to make billions on this climate change fantasy (e.g., Al Gore and Goldman Sachs), so I wouldn't be throwing around the accusations that Mr. Alford is a front for the energy companies. How condescending of YOU to imply that Mr. Alford would allow himself to be used in such a way.
And you are doing the same thing that you accuse us of doing--siding with Boxer because you agree with her position on climate change. So what? |
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You're are a typical liberal racist idiot. The man said he was there to talk about energy. The NAACP
has as much relevance as the KKK on the issue. She used the group's color to refute him because of his color. It merely reinforces the belief that Democrats don't see minorities as people but as
colors to be used for politics. |
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You seem a little upset that the people here know you are a fool, not just me but the majority. Get the hint fool. Go somewhere else and try to sell your garbage. Most here are too smart to buy into it. |
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Keep writing. Your true self is coming out. You don't give a dam about the black community. You are the typical lib who uses them when convenient. Yes this man was head of the Black Chamber of Commerce but he was smart enough to know that business is done not with just backs but with everyone. He is also smart enough to know that he was being used. He was smart enough to know that he had done his homework and was not about to be patted on the head and sent away. You watched this white woman try to make him look foolish and then you stand up for her. I believe that you just might be a little upset that the black community just might be starting to think more for themselves and are less likely to be used as they have been by you libs for years. |
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I notice that when you lose an argument, you begin to curry the favor of your peers. Why is that? Do you need them to jump in to plump up your deflating talking points? I don't get that at all, please explain... |
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How is it not relevant to bring up the NAACP when Alford was there on behalf of African American business people?
Like I said to diane, if Alford was there representing Exxon, who in large part funds his group (and let's be real here, in reality is who Alford REALLY represented at this meeting), then yes, Boxer would be out of line.
If you were even remotely honest, Crisp, you'd admit that Exxon is using this group as a front for their purposes to combat Cap and Trade and global warming legislation. They are doing it through the black community and other groups in a manner that exceeds the fake outrage you guys are aiming at Senator Boxer. |
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I find it funny that kayAnn, who does nothing but throw race around, has decided that this is nothing but people applauding this guy because he was arguing climate change. Here we have a black man that Boxer tried to make a fool of and and she defends Boxer. |
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she demonstrates the "open mouth and insert foot" routine she has perfected!
What does her hubby's status have to do with "green jobs?"
Pew Charitable Trusts has just begun its research and analysis of this issue so for Barbie to use them as the "credible" source once illustrates her complete lack of intelligence.
Mr Alford called her to task for her weak attempt to diminish his expertise. As Diane stated it is a shame that more Blacks don't recognize the chains with which the dem/libs have shackled them.
Kayann, at least try to include one intelligent sentence in your posts.
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on Senator Boxer.
Libs admire a politician like her and hope to model her.
Conservatives recognize her for the fool she is and just shake their heads.
I never realized that anyone, even a Lib, could say the words diverse and diversity so many times consecutively in a five minute period.
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You might have point if Alford wasn't there representing the BLACK Chamber of Commerce, now wouldn't you. He was there representing African Americans in business, Diane, so Boxer's points were quite relevant. If he were there representing Exxon alone (which seems to be the underlying point of his presence there, under the rather racially advantageous guise of African American businessmen and women) Boxer would then have been compelled to address the Exxon angle of global warming denial, which would have involved merely pointing out how Exxon has contributed adversely to our problems while making billions of dollars.
See, Diane? This is how your rightwing politics works. Nefarious industries use groups like Alford's to front for them, while whining about racial disrespect to cloud the issues and bully for clemency. |
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Let me try this again - I could care less what the topic of conversation was about and where Alford landed on that topic. I never even considered it.
The ONLY thing I'm responding to is the condescending attitude Boxer has towards blacks thinking if she brings up another opinion by a black group that it might change his opinion. It could be white vs. white, asian vs. asian, christian vs. christian. It so happens this is black vs. black and this happens because of the liberal viewpoint that all blacks think/should think alike.
I lied, I also commented on the fact that Alford called her ma'am and she didn't get upset at him like she did the brigadier general because she knew Alford had her made and she can't be seen as blatently condescending to blacks compared to military personnel. |
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You completely missed the point. Boxer was "taking none of it" because she played deaf.
Boxer entered into the record, specifically to refute Alford's testimony, the opinions of black groups. The fact that she had to bring up the views of black groups specifically shows her belief that the views of black groups are properly pitted against one another to show "diversity" of opinion. It is in accordance with the view that some views are not "truly" black. |
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No, I think we like him because he doesn't buy into Boxer's elitism, plain and simple. They could have been talking about the proportions of donut holes for all I care. Boxer's arrogance would have shown through. Yes Ma'am indeed.
Get on the bandwagon, you are supposed to call it Climate Change now, instead of that old hippie term. |
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You had better watch again and again until you see what was really said. This man got angry because Boxer tried to dismiss him by using documents produced by black groups instead of documents by all groups. He took exception to that as well he should have. What made her think that this man was not smart enough to know exactly what she was trying to do. Boxer did what the dems have done for years. They play games with the blacks, do nothing to further their interests and then claim to be the party that will help them. Boxer tried to dismiss this man by using the old claim that the other blacks agree. This man is smart enough to know that this racist garbage is just that garbage. |
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You say you don't care what his politics are? Then we can only conclude that you enjoyed the combative Alford for his exchange with Boxer, because you obviously lost the thread of the real underlying issue here.
It was the fact that this man is against any steps forward against climate change(and being part of the Black Chamber of Commerce funded in large part by Exxon you can bet on the reasons why) and used his fake race-baiting outrage to score points while Boxer was clearly out-maneuvering him that counts. This is the type of race-baiting that you guys claim to abhor in Al Sharpton, and yet you are ever too willing to turn a blind eye on such manipulations when it suits your own agenda.
No wonder the GOP is losing ground, you don't even try to hide your hypocrisy. |
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Admit it, Diane - you only like him for his global warming denial. If this man was a liberal climate change spokesman, and he was as obnoxious to Senator Inhofe, you'd be ripping him apart right now.
What this man did WAS overtly racial - he used his race to attack Boxer who was taking none of it, and good for her. He gained not one point from his attack, except to get a smug response from Inhofe which says volumes about what this combative exchange was all about. |
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Part of the game. she tried to act as though she was being respective of this man. She showed him as much disrespect in a different way as she did the general. She4 obviously has no respect for the military or the black community. |
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You call what Alford did as "bad behavior"? I call what Boxer did as bad behavior. I could care less of Alford's political viewpoints as I don't know them and I can only respond to this clip and this topic. I don't think you know his political viewpoints either. Let's say Alford is liberal, that doesn't take away from what I think he did was good. It may come as a surprise to you liberals that being a conservative, I still can find common ground from time to time with liberals, it just ain't usually on the topics of politics. |
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How long did it take you to decide on the exact wording of your heading.....?
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What's the matter the truth about how your lib party has dismissed the black community has come out. She did exactly what has been done for years. He was outstanding and I hope he continues to show them for what they are. |
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She tried to dismiss this man by saying look the other black agree with us. Well finally someone called this dem on her game. The same game that they have used on the Black community for years. Kudos to this fine man for making her look like the fool that she is. Maybe now some others will stand up against the party that has done the most to hold them down. |
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It's interesting how the right suddenly appreciates an African American man who in every way could be the Al Sharpton of the rightwing climate change deniers club. If this isn't the height of hypocrisy! As per usual, the rightwing supports any kind of behavior - from bad to horrific - just so long as it is aimed a Liberal. The piety we see on the right as it admonishes everyone else's values and 'agendas' was never so transparent and odious as right now. |
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I guess Boxer didn't get upset at this man for calling her ma'am instead of senator as she did to the brigadier general. Guess it depends on who is saying it to her and if it helps her political cause. This bleeds rasicm and stupidity. |
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A General refers to Boxhead with the term "ma'am" and the liberal has a hissy fit.
Alford refers to Boxhead with the term "ma'am", nothing!
The proof is in yhe pudding. |
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Another clear look behind the curtain of liberal politics, on par with Ginsberg's comments on abortion policy.
I would highlight Boxer's comments at 5:33 where she says, "let me say as someone married to a veteran - that has nothing to do with this conversation." She completely misses his point that he is an American, not just a black guy.
Perhaps that is why she did not offer any opinions on green jobs from veterans groups. All that mattered is that his opinion was a "black opinion" and other black groups not specializing in commerce issues could be refute his "black opinion." |
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Excellent use of this public forum to showcase a Senate Committee hearing.
Thank you both.
This should mke the rounds today and tomorrow.
Mr. Alford's refusal to allow himself to be lumped in an Amos and Andy routine annnounces him to all that haven't previously had the opportunity to hear him as a person to be reckoned with.
This is best of Townhall and should be linked on your Twitter today. |
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