Sunday, August 24, 2008
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OBAMA-BIDEN: FIRST TIME IN 68 YEARS A TICKET WITH NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE
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Posted by:
Michael Medved at
2:18 AM
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THE OBAMA-BIDEN TICKET IS THE FIRST TICKET OF EITHER MAJOR PARTY IN SIXTY-EIGHT YEARS IN WHICH NEITHER THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT EVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY!
At a time of war, the Democrats give us something the nation hasn't seen in more than two generations: a ticket where neither of the the running mates ever wore a uniform of any kind.
Shouldn't Republicans make a big deal of this?
Consider the history--
2004 -- GOP -- Bush served in National Guard/ DEMS- Kerry served in the Navy
2000---GOP -- Bush served in National Guard/ Al Gore served in the Army
1996 ---GOP -- Dole served in the Army/ Gore (Clinton's running mate) served in the Army
1992--- GOP -- Bush Sr. served in the Navy/ Gore served in the Army
1988 -- GOP-- Bush Sr. served in Navy, Quayle served in National Guard/DEMS --Dukakis served in the Army and Bentsen served in the Army Air Corps
1984-- GOP -- Reagan, Army Reserves and active duty (Capt. Rank), Bush Sr. served in Navy/Mondale served in Army
1980--GOP -- Reagan, Army, Bush Sr. served in Navy/Carter served as Naval Officer, Mondale in Army
1976--GOP --Ford servd in Navy, Dole in Army/ Carter, Navy, Mondale Army
1972--GOP -- Nixon served in Navy, and Spiro Agnew in Army/ McGovern, Army Air Corps
1968-- GOP-- Nixon, Navy, Agnew Army/DEMS-- Ed Muskie, Navy (Humphrey twied twice to enlist, turned down because of Hernia)
1964 -- GOP -- Goldwater, Major General in Air Force/ LBJ -- Navy
1960 -- GOP -- Nixon, Navy, H.C. Lodge - Lt. Col in Army/ JFK and LBJ both Naval officers
1956-- GOP--- Eisenhower (are you kidding?), and Nixon, Navy/DEMS --Stevesnon, Navy
1952-- GOP -- Eisenhower (five star general) and Nixon, NAvy/ Dems, Stevenson, Navy
1948-- GOP -- Earl Warren (Dewey's running mate). Army/ DEMS, Harry Truman, Army
1944--GOP -- John Bricker (Dewey's Running mate), Army Lt./ Harry Truman (FDR's running mate), Army artillery officer
finally, you have to go all the way back to 1940 to find a ticket with no military experience: FDR and the pro-Stalin Henry Wallace (though FDR had been Assistant Secretary of the Navy during WW I). His opponent, Wendell Wilkie, by the way, served in the army in WWI.
In other words, in the last 68 years of American history we've had 32 tickets representing the two major parties. Every single one of those tickets featured at least one candidate -- often both of them -- with military experience. Obviously, the GOP ticket for 2008 will again feature a heroic veteran in one of its slots.
But the Democrats, at a time of war, offer us a modern first: a national ticket with two candidates who never served a day in uniform in any capacity.
And why didn't Joe Biden serve? He's a year younger than Dick Cheney, so even more subject to the Vietnam draft. Remember how Democrats reamed Cheney for his "five deferments" during the height of the war as he pursued his education.
So what about Biden? He graduated from the University of Delaware in 1965, just as the war began to escalate intensively and he would have been exposed to the draft. Instead, he attended law school (at Syracuse University) graduating in 1968-- the very height of the war and the Vietnam draft.
And why didn't Biden go to war -- instead beginning the practice of law and his political career?
If he were a Republican, the press would be all over this one... remember what they did to Dan Quayle because he served "only" in the National Guard.
Meanwhile, whatever Biden's story of draft avoidance (I've told my own tale in that regard, very candidly, in RIGHT TURNS), you know that if he were running on a GOP ticket the press would be grilling him already on his lack of service.
The sad fact remains that for the first time in 68 years we see a national ticket for a major party where neither the Presidential nominee nor the Vice Presidential nominee spent time in military service of any kind.
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Typical Medved. What he doesn't tell you is that Medved himself was of prime draft age in the Vietnam days. But, in his classic cowardly fashion, Medved dodged the draft and ran from any involvement in the military.
Of course, today, Medved sings the praises of the military and condemns those who were never a part of it. Disgusting. But predictable for Medved.
People have confronted Medved, both on his draft-dodging past and and his refusal to sign up for service in Iraq. When they do this he usually throws some personal insults and then cuts them off the air.
Medved defends those politicians he adores---like Cheney, Bush and Quayle---who never did a day of combat or served overseas. And then he turns viciously on those he doesn't like who similarly never served.
Michael, look in the mirror; your hypocrisy and your yellow streak is showing.
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One of the most important jobs of the President is being Commander in Chief of the entire Armed Forces of the US. The Air Force, Navy, and Army is the premiere military force on this planet. It is an awesome responsibility. Generals and Commanders report to the President and get their final orders from him/her. Do you want someone with absolutely no military experience calling the shots?
To those who just want to focus on our economy, what allows this nation to prosper in the first place? I think without our military position in this world, we'd be like a limp Euro country or like Canada, who pay $10/gallon at the pump. A cursory view of history shows that nations and empires that rise to greatness, do so on military power. Show me one nation that has risen to greatness without a great military! |
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(Anybody remember that Dr. Demento song?)
"If being in the Military is so important then why has everyone in the GOP downplayed Kerry or Gore so much? ie swift boat?"
-- 1) Who downplayed Gore's service? 2) Lurch's service was "downplayed" because he distorted it.
"Whats the purpose if their military experience is worthless or corrupt?"
-- What about those that don't even try to serve?
"I'd say with McCain's mental problems from being captive for so long, he is certainly disqualified to lead the country."
-- I'd say with your mental problems from being hunkered down with the Paulestinians, you are certainly disqualified.
"The fact the he is one of the biggest destructors of the constitution should alone disqualify him to lead this country."
-- And HOW has McCain 'destructed' the Constitution?
"The author is blindly a hippocrit!"
-- Is that like a Hippopotamus Critic? 'Cause Medved does movies. Perhaps you've heard? |
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If being in the Military is so important then why has everyone in the GOP downplayed Kerry or Gore so much? ie swift boat?
Whats the purpose if their military experience is worthless or corrupt?
I'd say with McCain's mental problems from being captive for so long, he is certainly disqualified to lead the country. The fact the he is one of the biggest destructors of the constitution should alone disqualify him to lead this country.
The author is blindly a hippocrit!
Ron Paul for President!!!! |
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the clinton machine will now release (surreptitiously), the Louis Farakhan fete with Michelle describing why she does not like the "jive-asssed-honkey-mf's.
Hillary cannot wait 8 years if obama wins.
hey obama, promise hillary that she will be appointed to be one of the supremes and maybe you can dodge that scandal too.
Just as you dodged the edwards scandal.
ab normal
lancaster, taxifornia
push 1 for english hoy |
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What's amazing about your post is the total ignorance of it. The one thing I can count on reliably from a Democratic Administration during a time of war is really massive American casualties. Let's compare from 2003 - 2008 we've lost 4200 troops and had 29000 wounded. A horrible thing but consider that we lost that many troops before mid morning during WW II. Heck we lost 5000 troops in a single training exercise during WW II. During Vietnam from 62-68 we lost nearly 40,000 troops do the math, that's nearly double the troops we've lost in the past 5 years every year in Vietnam. That was the most recent hot conflict run by the Democrats.
The fact is when it comes to a conflict where our military is required I'd much rather have the Republicans in charge as they at least let the military do their job. |
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Neither one has contributed to our country in a time of war. Neither one has come from an upstanding community, either. Chicago slums made Obama wealthy (tax payers money) and Wilmington and Rehobeth Beach are examples of Biden's work. What this socialist ticket fails to realize is that the redistribution of wealth is going to create a situation where our business owners will go to part time work, which will create less tax monies for the feds, while the business owners will actually come home with higher wages. How dumb are the Democrats to think that people aren't planning how to hold onto their money? And to think that less monies being extorted will result in less money for our countries protection. Please, gentleman, sit down and shut up! |
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IMHO, we conservatives get way too obsessed with the military and military service (look at the number of posters with service-related handles). What bugs me more is that, with 3 of the 4 top Repub and Dem ticket slots filled, we have no one with the slightest entrepreneurial background. Forget the military vitae stuff -- I'd like to see someone on a ticket who knows what it's like to launch and run a business, and who's lost sleep over meeting payroll.
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You need to look up Air Guard history before making statements about service in Vietnam. Referring to Infantryman as meat for the cannons!!! I hope you don't make comments like that around other people.
You might get your lights punched out.
You don't know that G.W.Bush was coked up during his National Guard service. Thats hearsay not fact.
Republicans never smeared John Kerry on his Vietnam service. That my friend was done by Kerry himself in front of the U.S. Congress. Look it up, it's part of the Congressional record. He also admitted to being a war criminal during his testimony. The fact that he wasn't brought up on charges tells you they did not take him seriously. |
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...the ticket is as pure as the driven snow!
Now we can end Star Wars and take our missiles off of ready status, and slash the military. China, Iran, Russia, and Venezuela all say, "What's not to love?"
This is very signifigant, taken along with Obama's other stances regarding military strength and readiness. I hope it does not turn into a contest of personal military service so much, as a foil for the conservative message of "peace through strength." |
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"Her incentive is that a President Obama has a higher than average probability of being assassinated than a President Biden or a President Pawlenty. As she herself hinted at one point."
-- From FDR to W, only Ike and LBJ did not have someone try to assassinate them. Okay? 10 out of the last 12 presidents were the targets of credible attempts. Your "higher than average probability" (your second race statement on this thread, BTW) is, like your Hillary statement, something you can't back up. I know what she said. Where's the proof that she wanted to be VP, let alone that her reasoning was that there was a good chance that she would make it to POTUS the 'hard way' so-to-speak?
"So being a VP to President Obama has lots of possible opportunities."
-- Are you saying that the potential for something bad to happen played into Biden's decision to accept? You just have a high opinion of everyone, dontcha? |
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Nobody is disrespecting the national guard. It is Bush who deserves no respect.
During the war in Viet Nam serving in the National Guard wasd a guarantee that you will NOT go to Viet Nam. I think only one NG unit was ever sent. With the draft, you had plenty of Meat for the cannons....
Bush flew obsolete F102 fighter jets (when he was not coked up). He missed physicals, which would have shown his habit; at the end he just did not show up, even though he had a whole year to go in his commitment.
All this information came up, both in 2000 and in 2004, but you Republicans were too busy sliming people who actually served in Viet Nam to pay any attention |
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That's where your Republican "Military" Service has gotten us. Where is Osama Bin Laden? Why is the Taliban coming back?
Military service is nice but it means nothing with poor judgement, incompetence, and a lack of diplomacy. You can't war your way out of everything.
The Republican "A Team" has FUBAR'd this to the hilt, now they want John McSame and the "B Team" to finish it up. Don't think so, America is not falling for that again. |
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The people in Bush's squadron never saying thing about him b/c they never met the guy. He never showed up how can they criticize him if they never known he was suppose to be thier. |
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The fact is that both of these men are cowards. They didn't even bother with ROTC. Don't try to justify cowardice to me; you may buy it but I don't. Furthermore, one of my thoughts about life is that you don't ask someone else to do what you are afraid to do, therefore, I believe it is very important that the civilian Commander-in-Chief have some type of military experience. As it stands, these blowhards have no experience in anything except living off the American taxpayer. Furthermore, I believe that all candidates for the Presidency should undergo background checks and swear an oath of loyalty to the United States. Guess who would have issues that would preclude him and guess who would never swear such an oath? For that matter, I also believe that our voting laws should be changed to preclude idiots from voting .... |
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Whether or not one served in the military or not is not as important as understanding the legitimate use of military force, providing a clear mission, and allowing them to win.
As a former Officer of Marines I sincerely hope our next president has a good grasp of this important issue. That being said, there is nothing Barack Obama has said that gives me any confidence he has a clue on any of this.
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kingsXrulz asks: "How do you know that? How do YOU know? What is her incentive to want it [a VP spot]? "
Her incentive is that a President Obama has a higher than average probability of being assassinated than a President Biden or a President Pawlenty. As she herself hinted at one point.
And we all know that.
So being a VP to President Obama has lots of possible opportunities.
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For starters, either of these guys talk way too much to be anything other than politicians and/or attorneys. B.O. comes off as a proselytizing pacifist and Joe Biden a saber rattling satirist.
Collectively they're egomaniacs who don't listen and only talk. B.O. gets off on the timbre of his own voice as much as Joe Biden's convinced that he's way too smart for the room; in actuality, a vacuous duo. It's impossible for B.O. to know what America needs, and Joe Biden's too self absorbed as well.
The political arena, unfortunately for too long, has afforded both of them a free ride on the tax payers dime. In the military either of them, would have had to shape up or ship out. Here in the civilian world, talking s_ _ t has gotten fakers like this by, unfairly and lucratively.
The only thing B.O. has ever proven is that "There's a sucker born every minute", a P.T. Barnum quote that could have just as easily come from Joe Biden.
GOD BLESS AMERICA! McCAIN '08!
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I SO miss her Conec-ti-cut charm and pithy wisdom. . . . |
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"The Obama-Biden represents MANY firsts:
(1) An African-American is the nominee on a major party ticket in how many years?... oh yeah, it's a complete first."
-- Where did you get the idea that the subject of Medved's column was "firsts" in general? You don't address the issue at-hand AT ALL.
"(2) If we believe what conservatives on Townhall.com say, this is the first major ticket to have a filthy terrorist Muslim shmuck [sic] and a Pope-loving communist."
-- That IS NOT true! Okay, the "schmuck" part is.
"(3) This is the first campaign that has forced conservatives to compromise by supporting both John McCain (who was once too liberal for their taste) and Mitt Romney (who supported abortion rights, the rights of gays in the Boy Scouts, and opposes pornography but did nothing to stop it from being on pay per view in guests' rooms when he sat on the board of a major hotel)."
-- Yeah, there are details unique to each campaign season. Ain't it neat-o?
"(4) The first election where the presidential candidate has chosen his VP so late in the campaign season and so close to the convention, and yet, he's still gonna kick some serious tail in November."
-- Is this your first time smoking Meth, or are you a frequent user? |
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"Hillary would have accepted the VP spot--if Obama had offered it to her."
-- How do you know that? How do YOU know? What is her incentive to want it? to guarantee a Dem win in November? Where is the proof that she really cares about that? to be the FIRST WOMAN something? If they lost all she would be is the second woman to lose as a VP candidate. To get one step closer to being POTUS herself? History shows that most of the time being VP becomes the highlight of that person's career. With only a handful of exceptions the only VP's to become POTUS did so because their boss died in office. |
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"THE OBAMA-BIDEN TICKET IS THE FIRST TICKET OF EITHER MAJOR PARTY IN SIXTY-EIGHT YEARS IN WHICH NEITHER THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT EVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY!"
Dude, your first sentence isn't even proper English. Maybe we should take away your right to vote.
And let's be frank; The Obama-Biden represents MANY firsts:
(1) An African-American is the nominee on a major party ticket in how many years?... oh yeah, it's a complete first.
(2) If we believe what conservatives on Townhall.com say, this is the first major ticket to have a filthy terrorist Muslim shmuck and a Pope-loving communist.
(3) This is the first campaign that has forced conservatives to compromise by supporting both John McCain (who was once too liberal for their taste) and Mitt Romney (who supported abortion rights, the rights of gays in the Boy Scouts, and opposes pornography but did nothing to stop it from being on pay per view in guests' rooms when he sat on the board of a major hotel).
(4) The first election where the presidential candidate has chosen his VP so late in the campaign season and so close to the convention, and yet, he's still gonna kick some serious tail in November.
You can return to the glory days of military heroes like George W. Bush and Richard Nixon, but I'm gonna take my chances by supporting Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
http://progressivejew.blogspot.com/ |
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"The argument that a President has to have military experience [is stupid]. And we conservatives shouldn't stoop to that same dumb level."
-- Medved said one member of the ticket, not necessarily the president.
"Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt led us through two world wars without prior military experience."
-- Wilson entered us into the final 18 months of WWI, an action that resulted in the loss of 6,000 more lives than we later lost during 10 1/2 years in Vietnam. FDR at least had the experience as Wilson's Asst Sec of the Navy to inform his decisions during WWII.
"If our Founding Fathers had wanted the President to have prior military experience, they could have written that requirement into the Constitution. They didn't."
-- Who said that there should be a requirement? There isn't a religious test either, but what factors do you think the VOTERS consider when making their decision?
"Since historically, far fewer women than men have served in the U.S. military, to require prior military experience for the Presidency would essentially disqualify most American women from running for President."
-- I guess the first female nominee had better choose a running mate who HAS served, huh?
"That's not a good argument to make in an election year when you're trying to win over female voters."
-- Women have no regard for men that have served?
"Our argument is not that Obama fails some crucial litmus test to be President. It's that he PERSONALLY is unqualified to be President."
-- I think he personally fails the litmus test of being a Marxist.
"Some other black man who never served in the military either (Michael Steele, perhaps) might be qualified to be President."
-- And YOU are bringing up race why? Talk about stooping to a dumb level! |
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I've sent this to everyone in my mailbox. Absolutely disgusting. But, hey, biden's surrogates are now crowing about his son, who is in the Guard and heading off to Iraq, soon. Does that count? |
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"Kerry, Carter, Gore, all served and their patriotism is constantly challenged by you dim-wits who didn't."
-- As has been pointed out, nobody here is challenging their actions while in uniform. That statement also has NOTHING to do with Medved's column.
"The vast majority of the chickenhawks who beat the drums loudest for war in Iraq never served."
-- And your point is WHAT? that you actually AGREE with Medved's point? Good!
"And don't even get me started on the war-criminals (who YOU all voted for)inhabiting the white house."
-- How IS Dennis Kucinich coming along on compiling those impeachment charges?
"How stupid can 59million Americans be?"
-- Let's start with one.
"Let's have a quick look at who's served and who hasn't between Dems and Repubs, shall we?"
-- Medved's column is about the general election ticket. DO try to keep up, will you? |
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Take care, logging off. Hope to match wits with a gentleman like yourself again sometime soon |
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WHO called Cheney an experienced military man?
I'm sorry; WHO did you saysaid that?
What?
WHAT?
Another lying piece of crap. |
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"How many of the pundits on this site have kids in the military? They're happy to have the poor fight their wars for them."
-- Is this a 'the govt controls the economy to the point where it forces a lot of poor people with no other choice to join the military' argument? Or is it a 'the only process that would be fair and equitable is a draft, even though the last thing YOU want is a draft' argument?
"Calling Bush's national guard service military experience when he joined to avoid the real fighting overseas, is just hilarious."
-- Dissing the National Guard as not real service insults EVERYONE that has ever served in the Guard. Feel free to apologize to them.
"McCain has the same amount of experience being President of the US as Obama has. He too old to be CEO at almost all big companies."
-- Are you TRYING to say that he has no executive experience? (Because what you actually wrote is that neither of them has been POTUS before. Well, DUH!!!) And McCain has DECADES over Obama in terms of govt service and legislative experience.
"I'm tired of the experience argument - it makes no sense, but it sounds good - cause no one calls him on it."
-- Agreed. No one calls Obama on it.
"The media is afraid to point out all his gaffes."
-- Ditto. |
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Of course your comment can be interpreted in different ways.
One thing a person can never misinterpret, however, are Charlie Brown’s motives.
They are always pure!
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"Probably liberal lies and needs debunking."
-- WHERE in the text of that article you cited does it say there are "4,000,000 Iraqi Arabian and Persian women and children refugees selling their bodies for food"?
You are a ratbag liar. |
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"the last person running who had honorable, distinguished military service got nothing but ridicule, abuse and questions for it."
-- That's because the 'honorable' and 'distinguished' aspects of Lurch's service ARE legitimately questionable. But if it doesn't matter whether they served or not, what are you worried about?
"I would far rather have someone who sees beyond simply enemies and friends with their finger on the button, and certainly not someone with a well documented explosive temper"
-- LBJ and Nixon were both 10 times more explosive than McCain is. Did THEY ever press the button? STFU. |
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You're a good man Charlie Brown. |
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"4,000,000 Iraqi Arabian and Persian women and children refugees selling their bodies for food."
-- That's an officially enumerated and independently verified statistic, is it? Of course not. And whatever the number really is [liberal organizations -- that's right; liberal organizations estimate 2.25 million refugees total, including men], (less than 2% of Iraqis are Persian, BTW) reflects the devestation caused by insurgents.
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Speaking only for myself, I can assure you that I have never questioned Kerry, Carter, or Gore’s “patriotism” while they served in uniform.
I question pretty much all else, common sense, intelligence, reasoning and formal logic skills, etc.
I also question almost every single decision they have made as politicians since having taking their uniforms off.
These are two very different things.
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if he did?
Clendon writes: Sunday, August, 24, 2008 7:04 AM
David
" At least Bush didn't run to England to avoid the draft." |
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You call Cheney and Bush "eperienced" military men? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha .... |
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"It would be an interesting poll to ask Americans if we really are "at a time of war".
-- What would be interesting about it? WE don't get to decide whether or not we're at war.
"Does that mean when we occupied Germany and Japan after 1945 we were "at a time of war"?
-- I don't know. Were we involved in dozens of daily firefights post-surrender?
"War has historically been defined to be an action between states. We are not at "war" with any "state" at this moment."
-- Is our military engaged in military battles with an organized force? YES or NO? |
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"how does military service help you understand how the global economy works?"
-- How does being a global economist help you to make strategic military decisions?
"Plus since all you need to do is listen to the commanders on the ground you technically once again do not need military experience."
-- Maybe we should change the Constitution to officially allow those commanders to act independently.
"The last actual military man we had was Bush Sr. and he raised your taxes."
-- Ah ha! Did he also take out Manuel Noriega, kick Saddam Hussein's butt, and preside over the fall of the Berlin Wall & the collapse of the Iron Curtain? |
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"Perhaps Mr McCain can tell us why they all had to die."
-- Perhaps you can go dig up LBJ and ask him. Alternately, you could dig up the 2 million that died in The Killing Fields and ask them what they think. |
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All of you right wing morons need to shut your pie holes and face the facts. Kerry, Carter, Gore, all served and their patriotism is constantly challenged by you dim-wits who didn't. The vast majority of the chickenhawks who beat the drums loudest for war in Iraq never served. And don't even get me started on the war-criminals (who YOU all voted for)inhabiting the white house. How stupid can 59million Americans be? Let's have a quick look at who's served and who hasn't between Dems and Repubs, shall we?
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html |
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‘They're happy to have the poor fight their wars for them.” (DTS)
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” (Senator Kerry)
I and three of my brothers are veterans. I served in Germany and Korea. One of my younger brothers recently returned from a tour in Iraq. He is in the reserves.
None of us served because we were poor. Neither did we serve due to a failure to study hard. (I graduated with Highest Honors from the University of California.)
I tire of people like DTS and Kerry assuming we are either poor or dumb. These jerks cannot begin to understand the sense of duty to country that is ingrained in families like mine.
BTW, I would be very proud if my son were to enlist when he comes of age.
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National Guard service does not keep you from going overseas. If your unit does not get called you are lucky.
For all you people running down George Bush. You do not know the man and you never served with him. Shut your pie holes. Yes he actually flew fighter jets in a squadron with a whole bunch of other pilots. I did not here any of those guys come out and say anything about him. |
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Bush actually served in the TANG? That's news to me.
FACT: He never bothered to show up for his training, his physical on April 15, 1972 and didn't finish his stint after that. He just vanished into thin air. (Or, more likey, into a cocaine and booze induced air.)
You call THAT service to our country?
And Little Dick Cheney? Little Dick "had better things to do" when it was his turn to go to Viet Nam.
Yeah..... great service to our country. Real American heros. |
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People don't snubb the service of the National Guard but what Bush did was a clear avoidance of the Vietnam War. Hell he didn't even report to duty. That's not service that's cowardice. |
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Get real. Russia is a threat, a major threat. Either one of these two guys should have at least a little know-how. Maybe some Jr. ROTC training, boy scouts, anything.
How about a serious committee? Something where lives were actually in the balance? Besides abortion and the stubborn fetuses who happen to survive, have either of them made a critical life and death decision?
Considering Obama's opinion and assessment of the threats we face from al Quida in Iraq, Iran, Packistan and now Russia, America is likely to be caught with her pants down, and it isn't going to be sexy.
I'd feel much safer with someone with at least a itty bitty, teeny tiny speck of experience at the helm. There's absolutely nothing here to garner much confidence; the 3 a.m. call and they're on speaker phone looking at each other with a deer in the headlights expression on their faces. Quick, call Nancy Pelosi, and see what she thinks!
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There is a consistent refrain among liberals that insults military service in the National Guard (all forms), all while claiming that they "support the troops, just not the mission". Don't you libs see your derision? And yes, the political left has generally held the military in disdain at least since Vietnam - which was escalated by a Dem - LBJ!
I believe military service by a POTUS is a benefit because national security is a primary function of the federal gov't and having first-hand experience aids in both recognizing a threat and knowing what forces are available and needed to meet that threat.
BTW libs, what is our exit strategy in the "War on Poverty"? |
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How many of the pundits on this site have kids in the military? They're happy to have the poor fight their wars for them.
Calling Bush's national guard service military experience when he joined to avoid the real fighting overseas, is just hilarious.
McCain has the same amount of experience being President of the US as Obama has. He too old to be CEO at almost all big companies.
I'm tired of the experience argument - it makes no sense, but it sounds good - cause no one calls him on it. The media is afraid to point out all his gaffes.
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Neither of these two will find a cause worth actually fighting for, not even our national defense. Obama and Joe will chummy up to our enemies and make them understand we mean them no harm, we just want to be their friend. "We are all citizens of the world, come and sing Kumbaya with us!"
Jimmy Carter just wasn't articulate enough to make the Iranians understand. Obama is much more articulate than Jimmy ever was, so war will become a thing of the past. The military can beat thir rifles into plow blades and come home to help America raise corn for ethyanol.
It doesn't matter that Russia is on the rise again, maybe an Obama barbecue will convince Putin to pull back his troops and return to Russia. Putin too will feel a tingle up his leg. Words, just words; Obama's words is all it will take to bring peace to the world.
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How else is Halliburton going to keep their share holders happy?
Look what a mess Bush/Cheney got us into with all their precious experience.
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Nobama is without a doubt the MOST LIBERAL member of the Senate.
Biden comes in at the THIRD MOST LIBERAL member.
By Leftist/Lib - Socialist/Marxist standards THAT is a BALANCED TICKET!!!
W/O=
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A little paranoid there, Joe? |
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In case anyone hasn't paid attention we are
in a WAR for our survival and the survival of
Western culture, and it's not going to be a short
little thingy like the Kosovo adventure that wagged the dog for Bubba. (Where are all the libs
about Kososvo, you know the one where Bubba promised the troops would be home by Christmas?)
I would prefer as POTUS someone who has seen war up close and personal than someone who whines
when someone says something that hurts his widdle fweelings. J. McC isn't my first choice but given the two clowns he's an Eisenhower.
Maybe in other times a non military President
would suffice, however we don't need a kumbayah chorus, especially from a candidate that's been
endorsed by Hamas/Hezbollah. I'm funny that way,
it just doesn't work for me especially after 9-11 and having a cousin survive WTC; and people from my homestate dying in those planes. It
just gives me a lot of problems.
Finally, maybe this criticism on our side with
their not having any military experience is because a lot of us remember the late 60's early 70's when the current Dem. majority were the
useful idiots spitting on our troops. It's a question of trust ya know.
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It might be Pasadena Phil or Virigina Patriot pretending to be me. |
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Of course I am sexist and racist as we all are to some degree.
Just as none of us are completely white or black.
Women are smarter and have superior social skills.
Blacks can't get taxis because the drivers know they don't tip.
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I am the real Joe who posts here often. That is a false and lesser liberal Joe. I suspect it is Biden, but who knows. Maybe it is Virginia Patriot or Pasadena Phil pretending to be me. |
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THE LEFTIST NEWS MEDIA WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER HILLARY IF SHE HAD ANY FRAUD ACTIVITY! YOUR SEXIST, BIAS IS SHOWING. THE FAKE "O" IS THE ONE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH CROOK REZCO! GET REAL1 |
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This is just amusing.
Obama. Osama.
Biden. Bin Laden.
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Games the election to beat the Anti-Christ.
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/prosecute%5Frove/
The liberal media refuses to report on this.
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I am RIGHT claims: "I think it is clear that no one else wanted to play with Obama on the ticket."
Not true.
Hillary would have accepted the VP spot--if Obama had offered it to her.
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No!
Republican’s should not make a big deal of this.
I have always gotten miffed when liberals trash the Vice-President for not having served in uniform.
Let’s not be hypocrites. This is a liberal trait.
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L asks: "Do you think that 5+ years in the Hanoi Hilton may have changed his perception of the world?"
Of course. But whose perception of the world is now more accurate, McCain's or yours?
McCain got to see evil up close and personal. McCain also got to see the horrors of war that civilian political scientists who spin war scenarios never see with their own eyes.
Does that lead to a less accurate perception of the world than your having lived in an insulated suburban cocoon, protected by a U.S. military that you have had no contact with?
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The argument that a President has to have military experience was stupid when the Democrats used Kerry's military experience against Bush in 2004. And we conservatives shouldn't stoop to that same dumb level.
Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt led us through two world wars without prior military experience.
If our Founding Fathers had wanted the President to have prior military experience, they could have written that requirement into the Constitution. They didn't.
Finally, this argument could backfire politically with female voters. Since historically, far fewer women than men have served in the U.S. military, to require prior military experience for the Presidency would essentially disqualify most American women from running for President. That's not a good argument to make in an election year when you're trying to win over female voters.
Our argument is not that Obama fails some crucial litmus test to be President. It's that he PERSONALLY is unqualified to be President. Some other black man who never served in the military either (Michael Steele, perhaps) might be qualified to be President. |
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Iraqi refugees
http://www.aina.org/news/20080401032534.htm
Probably liberal lies and needs debunking.
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I think it is clear that no one else wanted to play with Obama on the ticket. All they could do is seduce another narcissist.
The "narcissist hollow man” picks “the narcissist fool”.
Obama and Biden...what a joke.
How will they be able to run the country...they will be too busy with their mirror. They won't be able to look after this country if they are too busy looking at themselves.
By the way...I would be a little angry if Obama kissed my wife the way he kissed Biden's wife. |
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It is the party that does not VALUE military service.
Abhors it. Despises it.
All that stuff about supporting the troops? A big fat lie. THey would like to do away with the military. |
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Erm, in order to be a chicken hawk, doesn't one have to be hawkish? Biden certainly has his hawkish moments, but Obama is a confirmed dove. So your argument is bull - of course, neither did GWB or Dick or Condi or Wolfowitz or Pearle or, well, you get the point, served. Calling out Biden and Obama for not serving is beyond ridiculous. Besides, the last person running who had honorable, distinguished military service got nothing but ridicule, abuse and questions for it. You lot truly have no shame... |
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Neither of these two had the cajones to join the military. Only real men do things like that and I think it is pretty plain that neither The Whiner nor The Mouth fit into that category. Besides, neither likes the military. Not to worry, though. If the country is threatened, these two chicken hawks will flap their wings, squawk, then retreat to their roosts with heads tucked. This will set a new tone for America and make people like us. |
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I am not sure who that Joe is. Maybe it is Biden. |
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Huh? 4 million selling their bodies for food? I assume you are being succinct while making a point, of which, I am unfamiliar. Please explain. Also, who are the new billionaires? I would like to know and factor the info into my future decisions. Thanks. |
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... fratboy "served"... ha ha ha. That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time. |
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...what?!
No offense to those who served in the military, but this has only a small bearing on whether a POTUS is qualified, as Gen'l Wes Clark said. The job of president is far more complicated than having military experience can give. McCain, who didn't lead large groups of men in a time of war, may have military experience, yes, but it's not the litmus for prez.
The President sets economic policy, enforces the laws set forth by Congress, heads the military, and comes up with executive policy initiatives that, while they don’t have the force of law behind them, are still highly influential. Though there have been a series of one-issue candidates, President is necessarily a job that requires one to be relatively well-rounded.
For one, the military does come with a built-in brain trust. All other issues are vetted by advisers of the POTUS. So really, having a well-rounded worldview is far more necessary than having military experience, since ANY new POTUS walks into a brain-trusted military.
IMHO, this is more right-wing rhetoric typically used by those who rely on fear-mongering (war) to get their candidate on the boards... |
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The more I think about it the sader/mader I become! The devious Obama, was milking Hillarys voters for all he could! In response to a ques-tion, is Clinton on the Short list? quote "She would be on anyones short list"! BS, the mislead-ing false Prophet never considered the best of the rest, Hillary for VP! Obama is ruthless and has no common sense or he would not have neglected the dream team and all she stood for. She even agreed with most of his issues ect,. The teflon Rookie won by a nose and can thank the flawed Dem., voting system and not being vetted, I could go on and on! Go McCain |
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We have prevailed!
Only 4,000 American dead and 4,000,000 Iraqi Arabian and Persian women and children refugees selling their bodies for food.
Many millionaires are now billionaires.
Now who is going to pay for the war?
Maybe pickle jars at the 7-11?
Is there someplace we can send money to help pay off the war debts?
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I am not a big Biden for President fan, but of all the Dems he is the least offensive. The problem for Obama is Obama. Does Obama remember how many people he has thrown under the bus?
Let's count:
Grandma "a typical white woman"
Kenya Bro Bama
Jeremiah Wright
Father Pfleger
Bill Ayers
Hillary Clinton
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I think America would rather have someone who will answer that 3 am call, instead of someone who waits for the message to be related to him!
During a serious security threat, who do you trust, the Dove or Hawk! McCain ACTS, Obama REACTS! At least Joe will give the weak peacenik some foreign affairs strength but Joes negatives
bring more bad then good! Glad the unwise Straw-man didn't pick Hillary, now I can easily vote for McCain, the better man! Ex Democrat
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Litigators always view the world differently than the rest of us.
Barrack doesn't know it yet, but, "Big mouth, the plagiarizer Biden," will eventually step in the doo doo pile big time.
For one simple reason, Senator Joe Biden is so full of himself his eyes are brown and he keeps reminding us every chance he gets. |
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"At a time of war, the Democrats give us something the nation hasn't seen in more than two generations: a ticket where neither of the the running mates ever wore a uniform of any kind."
It would be an interesting poll to ask Americans if we really are "at a time of war".
Does that mean when we occupied Germany and Japan after 1945 we were "at a time of war"?
I think most historians would say war ended in 1945 and didn't start back again until the Korean War. An occupation is not a war.
In conclusion I think the Republicans have traveled down a path first set down by Democrats.
It was the Democrats who first declared "war on poverty", to use the seriousness of "war" to sell public policy. Then that was followed by a "war on drugs" to sell the seriousness a police action. The "war on drugs" is 99 percent law enforcement. Republicans have failed to convince Americans that the "war on terrorism" constitutes a "time of war".
War has historically been defined to be an action between states. We are not at "war" with any "state" at this moment.
Republicans need to enlighten American's on the seriousness of the terrorist threat and that begins with backing off using a cynical Democratic trick of using the word "war" to over sell it.
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What signal has the left been sending the last 40 years? That they don't need military experience because if we all just sing kumbaya and merely talk and try to get along, VOILA, we'll have peace in our time. Simple, really. |
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If a serial killer calls a tree by its correct name, "a tree," that serial killer is as equally correct on that subject as the scientist.
A policy either protects freedom of the individual or it doesn't, no matter the history of the politician. Having once been a POW does not change whether McCain-Feingold is an infringement of the 1st amendment. |
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I would not want this man to host the nuclear button.If you give a monkey a gun and he kills someone, who is responsible?? Do you think that 5+ years in the Hanoi Hilton may have changed his perception of the world? Clearly, the Vietnam
war demons still plague him.Incidently the Miss universe pageant was recently held in sunny sunny downtown Saigon. Jerry Springer was the MC.
I do believe the lovely Miss Venezuela would have won the title, WITHOUT THE 50,000 U.S SOLDIERS DEAD! America better wake up! Perhaps
Mr McCain can tell us why they all had to die.
The end result?--NOTHING CHANGED. Now Bush would like to restart the cold war with Russia,undoing decades of change. McCain is your boy if you want a ringside seat for Armegeddon. At 71 he should be tending one of his 7 gardens, joining the other armchair quarterbacks and sidewalk social scientists. How this man slipped thru the cracks of the space time continuum,to even be considered for this job,escapes me. Only a self destructive personality or ignorant,greedy,selfish person who values the rapidly devaluing dollar more than whats truly best for this Great nation,could possibly vote for him. Don't do it! |
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Electing Obama would be a serious mistake and blow for true conservatives. McCain may not be the perfect conservative, but at least he is conservative. Obama is anything but. Do not make the mistake of thinking conservatives win by losing. They only lose by losing. |
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Another couple of self serving Lawyers. Great thats all we need. |
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This doesn't move the needle for me. The military is an honorable profession that teaches a man responsibility, but it isn't the be all and end all of leadership and manhood. If Obama and Biden had the right idea about gas prices and Iraq, I'd vote for them regardless of neither having served in the military. Of course, since they are COLOSSALLY WRONG about what to do about gas prices and their view of Iraq is FLAWED... |
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The last time I looked the National Guard WAS a military organization. At least Bush didn't run to England to avoid the draft. |
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All of the sudden military experience is important. |
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for the Republican Party. Knowingly picking the leading feminist misandrist in the Senate is pure icing. Now, in order to win this election, the liberal RNC's influence must be moderated to prevent the Republicans from stupidly trying to outgay the Democrat Party. Even Mc Cain apparently hates straights with the same intensity as the LGBT community, the cakewalk is his for the taking by selecting a prominent conservative, not an LGBT Republican attorney (Romney, Thompson, or Giuliani). |
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G W Bush "served" ?
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"twied twice", Elmer?
Couldn't resist. You're absolutely cowwect (okay, that's the last one) about this. Obama bin Biden(TM) is absolutely the last "team" we need in a time of war.
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And now a word for our resident CT dishrag:
Kimberly, take a cue from Joe Biden. When someone tells a group of people in public that your opinions are dead wrong, and that some of your "facts" are outright lies, reach deep down and find that reserve of intestinal fortitude -- those 'guts' that we all know you possess but almost never use -- and RESPOND. WE respond to YOU. Since we take the time to thoughtfully and politely deconstruct every little silly thing that you say, could you PLEASE do us the courtesy of responding to our criticisms? |
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