Obama is an opportunist with an unimpressive record--nothing more. He is nothing special and he brings nothing to the table except socialistic policies that have failed everywhere. He is a race-baiter cut from the same cloths as Jackson, Farakkhan, and the other freaks out there whose sole purpose in life is to find phantom racism.
It seems that he is trying to tell people that any criticism of his policies is nothing but scare tactics and racism. We have seen it here on TH. The lw comes in here and shrieks racism where there is not evidence of it just a strong difference of opinion about what Obama wants and what we want.
This WILL get worse because when his numbers start to sink, and they will...the lw is not going to believe it is a rejection of his ideas, oh no-it must be that boogie man--racism.
If libs can't argue the issues, they become idignant and will try to shut up the opposition by whatever means necessary. Since I don't plan on sitting down and shutting up, I guess that makes me a racist. What hogwash! |
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...and he has enlisted the race-baiters, the race-hustlers of the lowest common denominator as evidenced by some on this very site.
Brob is a perfect example of one who marches in step with Obama's, "Did I mention he's black" theme.
Indeed, there are others.
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Jeremiah Wright.
Father Phleger.
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the race card since day one. He keeps pretending everyone else is the racist when it is HE who is the biggest racist of all.
Then of course there is Michelle Obama, who is as race baiting as her husband.
Some in the media really need to start looking at who owns the property in the areas where Chicago mob boss Daley and his cohorts want the Olympics held. See who buys up all that property Rezko had as a slumlord and see where the new building for venues in the Olympics will be held IF Chicago gets the nod. |
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disgusting in jumping immediately to the race card.
Simply raising race as an issue now, preemptively, so says Obambi, is racist politics at its worst.
But then, all the Dems - Obambi and Billy Jeff and Her Thighness - played both the race card, as well as the sex card, in their recently completed primary. Why should anyone expect more restraint when going after Republicans?
I believe this is going to be the ugliest Presidential campaign ever ... we thought it was ugly when the NAACP ran those grotesque ads with the black man being dragged to his death behind a pickup truck in Texas, blaming it on George W. Bush ... the Dem- and Soros-funded 527s are gearing up for hundreds of millions of dollars worth of attack ads that will try to make John McCain look like Simon Legree, out there in the cotton fields whipping his slaves.
So much for the new, post-racial, post-partisan Second Coming of Barack Hussein Obama.
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come back and bite him. Any non-blacks who may feel some sympathy for him will harden their feelings against him if they feel that they are automatically assumed to be racists if they deign to question him. I'm willing to listen to a candidate, but if you assume I'm against you because of the color of your skin, you sir are the racist, not me. And you will NOT get my vote. |
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Obama trades on his 'blackness' to win support for being the first African American presidential candidate...then it's off the table?
Maybe we should point out something that seems to escape him...he's mulatto, not black. His upbringing and manner speak to his whiteness, not his blackness.
And all that tripe about his angst about his identity while growing up... likely has more to do with having a father that abandoned him than anything else. |
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can mention Obama is black and Obama can call grey haired women "typical white" but no one is supposed to mention that Obama is black? If Obama is so ashamed of his being black why did he write a book in which he sought out and whined about getting in touch with his blackness?
It appears Farrahkan and his ilk are right in line with Obama the "messiah."
"The issue arose Sunday, when Farrakhan praised Obama before a large Nation of Islam gathering, even comparing him to the religion’s founder, Fard Muhammad, who also had a white mother and black father.
“A black man with a white mother became a savior to us,” Farrakhan said Sunday. “A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall.”
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winning, whatever the cost. That is correct. |
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I immediately thought of what a fine audio piece in an upcoming 527 ad it's gonna make. The Kid & his handlers have done a whole lot of remaking this year, right before our eyes, but he still has these very useful slips into the Real Barack. The Delicate Missus Obama has been muted to a gentler, kinder, more tolerant & luvin' Michelle, but the easiest $1K I'll ever bet says she'll revert with some regularity.
The June 30th Issue of National Review, just arrived in the mailbox, has a Cover Story("The Organizer") and several articles on the pre-remake Obama. Most interesting, for me, was Stanley Kurtz's piece, "True Believer", on the Black Liberation Theology which the Kid bought into 2-decades ago at Trinity, and was--provably--a very active participant in. No 'shocking new discovery' by the candidate. Duuhhhh.
What continues to be morbidly fascinating to me, AND, one assumes, "basic" to this election is: This Guy is--in American measurements & terms--a Real Leftwinger. Significantly Left of, say a Dem-Lib archetype like Tom Harkin or even Ted Kennedy. The package is pretty & presentable, but the man IS Very Left-Alinsky-Socialist-Mitterand like-French Junkyard Variety-Nanny State-WE can do IT for you-BIG Nanny Knows Best for YOU-Time to GUT our Defense Dept & Make Nice with the proceeds-TYPY Career Civics Major. THAT ain't American, unless something profound has changed in the American Character and Code.
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...disgraceful, vile, loathsome statement that this so called "post racial" candidate EVER made. This man is a total liar (we found that out recently re: campaign finance) and fraud. He cavorts with societal's underbelly in all aspects of his life dealings. This man is a truly egotistical, arrogant, condescending (re: bitter, clingers)creep who thinks that if anyone votes for another......HE CAN BRAND THEM A RACIST. He is a spurious snake: a "closet" racist and hater.
His wife, at least, "let it all hang out there": she spewed her hatred openly. Poor Michelle, she is now trying desperately to reform her inherent "hate monger" image, however, it is way tooooooo late. We know from multiple speeches and her thesis just exactly how she felt/feels about this wonderful country: a country that gave her and her husband EVERY OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE. Opportunities THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY AFFORDED TO ALL. |
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He keeps talking about Big Nanny and how she's gonna help us Americans. Where do you figure WE NEED your help, Barack? The message is beyond patronizing. It is an in-your-face insult to anyone with a brain & independence who appreciates his/her liberty and freedom.
I believe the Dems this year are counting on the notoriously short memories of regular citizens AND the gov't school historical ignorance of young voters to shade & weave a "French" Presidential election victory. Socialism has been a Vast Provable Failure in Europe, as recent Conservative Gov'ts in Germany, France, Italy have shown. Socialist Medicine is a huge, grim joke. Yet the Dems are preaching it. I talk to Dem friends regularly--with enough gray in their hair to know better--who appear totally ignorant to the Massive Failures of State-Socialized Medicine in Canada & Europe. IF they're ignorant, then imagine how stump-stupid the 'yootful voters are on this and other Social Subjects.
The potential consequences of a Barack victory in November, coupled with sizable majorities in both houses of congress, are profound and frightening. Even, as is fairly predictable, he's thrown out after 4-years of disastrous policies--a'la Jimmy Carter--the effect upon our country for decades(say, in SCOTUS picks & gutting our armed forces)could be horrendous. In Time of War & Great Dangers! |
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Will he use "fake but accurate" reporting from the MSM?
Will he enlist the dead to vote for him, while using jack-booted thugs to deter voters who might vote otherwise?
You bet your life he will. And he'll have lots of help.
Unfortunately, the GOP seems to be chasing the same brass ring. John McCain's track record of "crossing the aisle" (i.e., compromising on legal and moral issues) is only marginally less offensive than Barack Obama's naive pseudo-intellectual, amateur Marxist routine. Both are pointing us in the wrong direction.
Ultimately, the only thing that will save America from getting "the government we deserve" is the broken contrition (Psalm 51:17) of enough Christians on our knees petitioning the Lord to forgive us for wasting our blessings and give us Christian leaders. Some of you may disagree (as is your right); but you should reread Romans 1:18-32. |
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I've just finished reading, for a second time, the 'Munich 1938' section of Cambridge historian, David Reynolds' 2007 book, "Summits: Six Meetings That Shaped the Twentieth Century". My God, how disheartening that so many have forgotten so much in so little time. When I was young, Munich was the very Poster Example of the follies of wishful thinking and diplomacy with monsters. Within Living Memory of many still inhabiting this planet, the entire Democrat Party for instance, Munich, and what it cost our world, isn't even mentioned by the party of FDR, HST & JFK!
Johnny Little better be prepared to play very hard and rough--TAKE OFF THE GLOVES--or our beloved exceptional America could be morphing into Chirac'ville and Chaimberlain Wishfulness.
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"And did I mention he's black"!.....WHAT???? Is Obama having multiple brain malfunctions: does anyone in this entire world need to be told that the Senator is black. This insensitive, crude, offensive creature, who is presenting himself as a candidate for the most prestigous job in the world, is a disturbing low-life who chronically insults various segments of the American constituency. His true **character is now emerging.
*David Brooks (CNN) said.....Obama has "no conscience": no conscience = zero **character. *Mark Shields (CNN) said....."Obama counldn't pass a lie detector test": Whaooo = liar.
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But, will the MSM cover any of this racism? We know most average Americans get their news just from the MSM and perhaps will never see this quote. The RNC should be on this as should ole John. Neither seems willing to take on this socialist pacifist because of the 'niceness' factor which the MSM has already put into play but only on the Republican side. Dems can thrash the hash because after all, Pubs, Bush, Evangelicals deserve it. As Neo wrote, much of the public is not only ignorant of economics , it has a memory-attention span of about 30 minutes and that is filled with leftist mush from the MSM. |
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The silence of the lefties is the strongest indication that this latest gaffe by Obama really hurts him.
A disgraceful comment by Obama.
Tlaking about playing the fear game.
Obama is a fraud.
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Look, if anyone out there think that this fellow is for change, well, change your mind!! He is still the same old Politian only wrapped up in neat little package, supported by the far left secular progressives bent on making America into one big hugh Switzerland. This guy has more layers of change for change sake that a wedding cake!! This guy is pulling out all the stops to win this election and is willing to say anything to get elected!! His policies are far left on anything from energy to foreign dipolamcy. And this guy has more skeltons in the closet than the Adams' family!! He can talk till he is blue in face and the this is propoganda, plain and simple. The only thing I am affaid of is these people who follow him like sheep to shearer. Think about it for a moment and know that the presidency is not a on-job training deal, it can be totally botched in one year and the entire world will see America has a weak leader!! |
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He is half white; he is almost half Arab; and he has a small percentage of African heritage.
He plays up the black because he knows that Americans will never elect an Arab president in these times. Don't be suckers. MLK, Jr. was black; Jesse Jackson is black; Obama is an Arab. |
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Sorry to switch subjects, but this is just in from Hot Air:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/22/an-obama-filibuster-o n-a-bill-he-supports/
The post deals with Obama's position on the FISA legislation. I dislike the expression "flip-flop" because it tends to diminish the seriousness of the change of position. With McCain, in light of the cost of oil, he's decided to support offshore drilling. Call it pandering to the base? He essentially started center-left on the issue, but facts have him going with 2/3 of the country.
In Obama's case, he changed his tune on the FISA bill several times. Going into the weekend, he was going cave in the the FISA bill. Then his Hard Left base weighed in. Now, he's talking about filibustering the immunity part of the bill. His position most recently was part of his drive to the center to say, "Hey, I'm safe." The point is that his chain is yanked by the Hard Left of 5% to 10% of the country.
Read up and see that he's neither in the middle nor in the center-left. He's is far Hard Left. And he's being dishonest about it. |
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Obama's campaign is to politics what OJ's defense was to criminal law. Jury nullification, the shot to the heart of our legal system in that case, was deserved. It was payback. The fight does NOT HAVE TO BE fair. Yes, it was the chickens coming home to roost. Yes, the end justifies the means.
So, why expect a fair fight from Obama? Why can't he lie about himself and his opponents? Why can't he re-create his own history? It's not about HIM. It's about payback; it's about paying the dues. Yes, it's about this chicken coming home. |
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he can use it anyway that suits him on any given day,on any given subject. But we dare not mention it because that is racist. Being P.C. sucks. We cannot say anything for fear of our words coming back to bite us in the butt,because someone else took it personally. Everything we say goes into ones ears and is processed according that person's perception. We cannot possibly say every single thing in a generic fashion! And I don't want to.Because then some of what I think is lost in those generic terms. I think we should just say what we mean. |
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"Obama's casual slander of his opponents tells us everything about Obama.."
Bingo! Exactly. And don't say the left isn't all over this as well, because there are 18 million of us Hillary supporters who had this guy pinpointed from the get-go. We're completely disgusted by this comment...and have been disgusted by his repeated race-baiting while pretending the racism was coming from the Clintons, Ferraro, and any white voter who prefered another candidate.
I only wish Obama's posturing had "quickly" come into focus. This is not the first time he's made this very same comment. Remember the "bitter voters" comment at the secret fundraiser? If you watched the extended comments instead of the one catch-phrase that everyone focused on you'd see he not only accused these voters of being anti-NAFTA (and anti-immigrant) because of their "bitterness" --- he also brought up that they were less likely to join the fold because "oh, did you know, Obama is black..."
Everyone focused on the guns and God part, but he was also accusing the "bitter" voters of being xenophobes and racists.
I guess now that he doesn't have Clinton and Clinton supporters to badmouth anymore, people will very starkly see that this is all abut HIS OWN M.O. McCain did nothing to deserve this attack, nor did the Clintons...but the junior senator from IL needs something to distract from the fact his only experience lies with shady dealmaking in the Chicago cesspool.
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....made in 1964 featured lines like, "You're not thinking of putting a Negro in the cabinet are you.....?!"
In 1964, you could exclude a completely qualified man from a position in the government just because of his skin color.
44 years later, we are thinking of putting a completely unqualified man in the Oval Office for the same reason.
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Someone upthread mentioned when Obama's poll numbers start to sink...
They won't. The media likes a horserace and will manufacture a horserace.
Poll numbers are easy to manipulate. It's laughable to imagine Obama is competitive in Florida...his own campaign has written off that state. They admit it's a lost cause.
But it's easy to get poll numbers that say otherwise. Just undersample Cubans and Independents and oversample Dems.
Whatever it takes to give the blowhards on tv something to jaw about for the next four months. |
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The media loves a horserace, which is why they will keep McCain alive and make it seem like the Reeps are in play. They aren't. Barack and Dems in a landslide. |
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I have one question for all the nuts on this site.
Does anyone really believe that there are some on the right who aren't going to make race an issue?
Look at all the whispers and rumors that the right is willing to spread on the Internet. False quotes from his books, the "whitey" thing, blatant lies about Obama somehow being Muslim or some mysterious ties to Africa and so on. Hillary and her statement about "hard working white Americans".
Yes, there are a lot of people out there peddling fear and false rumors, so don't act all innocent. The right has perfected the art of character assassination and gutter politics. And now when someone plays their game they feign outrage. Get used to it. The right has used win-by-any-means tactics, and now it's coming back to bite them. When someone predicts dirty campaigning, it's a very credible and reasonable prediction. Anyone forget about McCain's illegitimate black child in South Carolina? That's the kind of game that _some_ are willing to play in this age.
Oh yes, "they" will indeed be running a campaign of fear", and what everyone here is so upset about is Obama calling it out. How many times has McCain called Obama "dangerous"? That's called fear campaigning.
Ya'll read blogs, you KNOW there are PLENTY of bloggers posting fake and out-of-context quotes to make it seem like Obama is anti-white (even though he's half white and raised by whites). So it's not just a prediction, it's already happening on the Internet.
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They have to inject race into everything political or social. John Kerry even said he was Jewish. hahaha
As I've said before, these ARE his qualifications: "He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?"
If only he was handicapped and cheated on his wife he'd be the perfect Dem/lib candidate. |
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You guys are getting to be a joke. Barack has every right to set people on notice. Hugh can harumph about "center-right" having nothing to do with these things, but the fact is, Hugh's "center-right" is reactionary and has a record of stopping at nothing to win. A lot of the stuff is beneath the media radar. We are not going to stand for your little games, and more importantly, America is not going to stand for it.
Hugh should stop hiding behind McCain's relatively honorable record. Barack was clearly referring to many of McCain's supporters, especially the reluctant ones, who are anything but honorable.
The tizzy that you guys are thrown into over Barack's relatively innocuous remarks reflects what trapped animals you are. Given the unwillingness of the American right to take moral responsibility for your foolish leadership, leadership that has seriously undercut our country and her people, your only hope is to assault the character of a man who is basically better than you (morally speaking). When Barack puts America on notice that your team says and does anything to win, you shriek like a bunch of stuck animals. Boo hoo. This time, you ain't defining the debate. This time, your filter in the corporate media is not going to drown out Barack's direct access to the American people. Have fun over the next five months, chumps.. |
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Patriotic Liberal,
Since you're in the business of speculating about people's motivations regarding race, is it accurate to say that you send your son to a tony prep school which has very few black students ?
Is it also accurate to say that the Pasadena public high school which your son would otherwise attend, has many, many black students ? |
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We've all seen the G.O.P. ads attempting to link Obama to black thugs in Chicago as well as linking him to Farrakhan and the rest. McCain even exploited a Hezbollah leader's speaking positively of Obama. McCain does not realize that the Hezbollah leader was just playing divide and conquor. Osama Bin Laden tried this with Kerry in 04, at least Bush was descent enough to reject the bait. However, John McCain, whom I respected until now, may be lower than Bush. McCain also downplays Obama's experience and accomplishments. Therefore, Obama is correct in his assertions. Obama isn't crying victim, he is fighting back against charactor assassination and the Repubs aren't used to a Dem fighting back. |
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Raciality Levels has insisted many times on these threads that..OMG..he's an EeeeeekK Racist. Ya know, OHM, deep down, where it counts, in his Lib-Subconscious.
Scary and Too, Too, Toooooo Funny! |
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The Repubs ran 3 black candidates that I know of for major offices without pulling the kind of garbage that Obama and 'em are doing. You know this. Normal people don't throw Oreos at men trying to speak in public but your side does. I don't call any humans "animals" like you do but we both know who acts deplorable in large groups and who doesn't. So what are you talking about? |
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... he knows he is weak. This election is Andrew Jackson vs. Adlai Stevenson. Arugula anyone? |
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"no one has ever argued that he was other than a man of complete integrity and honor, . . ."
Where have you been hiding? McCain has flip flopped on everything he said that wasn't already an outright lie. Is he for campaign finance reform? Does he favor the Forever War over raw resources in other places? Is he for, or against, a woman's right to control her own reproductive processes? Is he favorably disposed toward Bush's program of tax cuts for billionaires? Is he for or against torture of detainees?
McCain has changed his position on all these issues at least once. He sucks up to Bush, who defamed him, his wife and his family in 2000. He has no integrity and the word honor should not appear in the same sentence with his name - I don't care how many years he spent as a POW.
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gee, barack obama is black...who knew? what would "inspector renauld" say? i was a democrat, way back when...what happened to the "stand up guys like "scoop" jackson?...now reduced to barack obama...ok, let's give him another "hall pass"...he's had so many, what's another matter...rev. wright, or should it be "rev. wrong"...should i not "disown him" or was "grandma"..i get so confused...father fleger...as a catholic, i am embarassed...what happened to spencer tracy in "boys town"?...where did the good priest go? william ayers? what's a "M-80"or 2 matter, some firecrakers...for him, it's the 4th of july, every day..."where's the harm?"...fund raising, what's that? it's about "fun raising" not campaign finance reform...this is a chicago politician...remember to vote and often...don't forget to give often also...who cares about a pledge? "we don't need no stinking pledges"...NAFTA...NAFTA, let's throw some "canucks under the bus" (it worked for "rev. wrong")...OOOOOOOh, that's wright(there's that name again)...barack was only "foolin"...he ddin't mean those nasty things he said during the primary...after all, he's from chicago...what else???????? there must be something else?????i almost forgot, did you know that "back is black"? |
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Most of the nit-witicisms you are crediting to the Right, can far more accurately be found on the Left's scurrilous sites. Taken a vist to kosroidland or moveon.org city recently?
You Losers just INSIST on Victimhood, don'tcha? |
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If you go back to Jimmy Carter, the Dems have thrown an incredible string of weak candidates at us. The fact that only two have managed to get themselves elected, despite the fact the the Reps have had a couple clinkers as well speaks volumes about the quality of the Party ofAsses (or donkeys if you prefer).
Obama is the weakest yet. The Dems are just a gift that keeps on giving.... |
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And, welcome to a whole bunch of folks who thought reasonably well of Obama mere months ago, but have been busy re-evaluating. "Mr.Post Racial", my Honky Arse!
There are plenty of folks here at HH who are gonna have to swallow hard when we pull the levers for McCain in November, Zee. But, this Empty Chicago Suit of Utter Cluelessness-and-Socialist Pacifism just CAN'T be trusted in these Huge Historical Times! |
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"Obama's casual slander of his opponents tells us everything about Obama.."
[Bingo! Exactly. And don't say the left isn't all over this as well, because there are 18 million of us Hillary supporters who had this guy pinpointed from the get-go.]
WRONG, ZEE!
Not all 18 million of those Hillary voters were anti-Obama, so stop trying to spin it that way. Also, I heard the entire "bitter" speech and Obama never said, "oh, did you know, Obama is black...", so that's an outright lie. Farraro did, indeed, say that Obama was winning these contests because he was black. That actually was a dumb thing to say and Farraro wasn't called racist, but was suspected of race baiting.
Wish all you want, Zee. Obama beats McCain in Ohio and PA, McCain can have Florida. The current electoral map shows Obama beating McCain by 40 electoral votes. Moreover, some additional states that McCain leads in are trending towards Obama. |
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""the Dem- and Soros-funded 527s are gearing up for hundreds of millions of dollars worth of attack ads that will try to make John McCain look like Simon Legree, out there in the cotton fields whipping his slaves.
So much for the new, post-racial, post-partisan Second Coming of Barack Hussein Obama.""
Actually, MoveOn.org and the other Left Wing orgs are respecting Obama's request not to attack McCain. If this election turns ugly, it will be due to the Republicans and the Right Wing's desparation to keep their ailing party in power.
Obambi, you say? How cute. Obambi has a better shot at winning than McShame, thanks, in part, to the shabby performance of George Troublesome Bush. |
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The Obama continues to reveal himself as a startling HighSider who makes Jesse Jackson look like font of wisdom and Al Sharpton(The Harlemicrosoft-as s--t Tawana pack)positively MLK incarnate.He's~ rankly ignorant of history(JFK vs NSK~Vienna 1961); National"geography"(USA comprise of 57 states).He's classic Chi-Pol(Rezko's $1/4 million mansion loan); he's virulently anti-military(hasn;t seen Iraq or its American C-in-C in almost 2 years); he's the most pro-abortion "legislator"in the US Senate.Now (after 20 years of Wright-spewed racism masked as Christian theology "Sermons from the Mount" homiletics)not the Race Card...but the WHOLE DECK is about to be played in desperate attempt to justify"himself"while castigating,if not cursing ouright,this magnificent nation as comprise of closet racists. This feckless,narcissistic MIRROR/MIRROR on the WALL boy-man and his equally spoiled,harridan wife need to acquaint themselves with history of the US; particularly The First American Civil War(600,000 Americans killed,including our greatest President).Then he should end this farce campaign(running as long as his term among MOST INCOMPETENT/UNACCOMPLISHED JUNIOR SENATORS in the Nation's brief history)before he: a) provokes REALIGNMENT ELECTION extinguishing Democratic Party;b)
provokes 9/11-2.This little...did he mention he's black?...man needs to END what will become most divisive presidential campaign since end of The Whigs(in 1860)as prelude to The First Civil War.
God bless America!
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To impute racist fears to McCain is a new low for Obama. That is, after the new low of making his grandmother out to be a racist. When Ahmadinejad weasels out of an agreement, is BO going to accuse him of racism? I hope we never find out. |
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Obama is the guy who is claiming to be the new champion of diplomacy...
Meet with Iran/dictators etc.
This 'he's black' thing is a divisive tactic that is bad for America. Republicans especially want to get out of the misperception of being a racist party, he wants to keep them there?
That's UN-Diplomatic
Also, telling Clinton supporters to 'get over it,'
That's UN-Diplomatic.
Also, backing out of public funding after promising to pursue meetings with McCain about it?
He didn't attempt to meet with Mac and broke a promise to the American people.
That's UN-Diplomatic.
Also, not meeting with America's own General Petraeus?
That's UN-Diplomatic.
What else?
Elect this guy represent us to smooth things over with our enemies?
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When Steele, Swann, Blackwell, and two Gulf War black Pub vets were running for public office, liberals smeared them up and down. Yet, the MSM did not blast that racism. It , of course, depends on whose racism gets a more favorable play. Blacks are only remembered by liberals every 2 and 4 years when it is election time. Yet, black citizens continue to vote blindly for Democrats who move them out of the spotlight if ads on TV feature them in greater numbers than the spinners think are necessary. A few bones of welfare checks, some silly bad-economic bills on the Minimum Wages that never work out fiscally each time it is raised, and 'boy are we going to tax those millionaires, of course not our Dem millionaires just those evil Pub millionaires', and that is to satisfy black voters till the next time there is a Presidential election! What hypocrisy and what silly use of the valued vote!! |
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Republicans - 231
Democrats - 324
Independents - 307
I also question the Independents ? Can you say. Bogus ?
Always question. Go into the polls and find out who they polled ? What time of day or even the day of the week will give you a dramatic difference. The point is : polls can be manipulated to get the results you desire.
There is no law that the press or the pollsters have to be fair. It obvious that they are trying to sway this election to the democrats.
Four years ago you could go inside the polls and check their numbers. Dem,Rep, and Ind. What part of the state or country ? What day and time ?
Now most of the pollster refuse to release this information.
The only polls you can trust are 3 days before the election. Look at what happened in Pennsylvania. A week before the primary all the polls were saying Obama had caught up with Hillary. This was an attempt by the news media and liberal pollster to change the election. In the last days they knew it hadn't worked. So in order to salvage their reputations they had to release the true numbers.
There is no law against what they are doing. But the American people should be aware of their games.
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Toast of Hooopppeeee! Change, Change, Chaaanngggeeee...Change of Toassssst! Hope, Hope, Hoooppppeeeee..Hope of Chaannnggggeeeee! Oh, Yeaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!
The Kid is TOAST. Cheap, Clueless, Self-Pumped, Resumeless, Empty Suited and Absence of Character. But, hey, danged pretty. TOAST. |
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Your question posed to the Loser Liberal is somewhat moot. He has, on a number of occasions, admitted to his own racism.
It is now his mission to get everyone else to admit to it as well.
But, OHM, is it not hillaryous, how often he justifies the actions/behaviors/gaffes of his Messiah?. I mean, now he is attempting to claim what Obama REALLY meant by this obvious form of reverse racism. He'll stop at nothing to smooth over these gaffes; putting words in the mouths of others. |
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Race was used against John McCain in the 2000 primaries. The Bush campaign spread rumors that McCain had fathered a black child.
Obama knows that, eight years later, things haven't changed that much. This type of thing will come up again, used against him this time.
Pat Buchanan has admitted that the Republican campaign is going to use Obama's "exoticism" against him.
Exoticism is just a code word for black.
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It's amazing to me how blind Hugh and others are to G.O.P. history over the last 30 years:
There's Ronald Reagan beginning his run for the Presidency with a speech extolling "states rights" in Philadelphia, Mississippi, a place famous for the murder of three civil rights workers, and where "states rights" meant that such murders can happen with impunity.
There's the Willie Horton ad of 1988, playing on racial fears of the "scary black man" (and ignoring that many other states, including those run by Republican governors, had similar prison furlough programs, and had similar experiences of crimes committed).
There's Jesse Helms' "Hands" ad, playing on Whites fears of Black folks taking jobs away, and suggesting that White folks deserve those jobs and Black folks don't.
Of course, African Americans have mostly been displaced by Hispanics as the minority-of-choice for the G.O.P. to attack, but it won't be hard for them to resort to their old playbook.
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The Very Sane Woman Who Points Out the Obvious writes: Sunday, June, 22, 2008 5:37 PM
By the way, I've heard that Barack Obama has fathered a couple black children.
Arch says"
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...I agree. I was definitely unimpressed by his mentioning of that. But that said, I promise you some very subtle racist methods will be employed by desperate GOP advertisers. But then again, us dems will most likely be guilty of the same thing with the "AGE" card. He's right that somewhere out there, somewhere in the media, his race will be used against him, but I did not enjoy his victim play.
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B Hussein IS A RACIST. Period. And anyone who votes for him IS A RACIST. Either the hard core Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, etc type, or the pathetic "typical white person", who is so racist, he is unable to hold a black man to any even moderately high standard of behavior whatsoever. It's about time we elected a black man? That in and of itself is ridiculous. But even if you subscribe to such nonsense, THIS is the black man? A racist, radical, terrorist friendly, anti-American idiot? Pathetic... |
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There is no doubt that Obama and his staff have a plan to bring in racial "statements" in this presidential campaign(after all this is the Chicago-based team that claimed first "racism"in the Florida 2000 recount vote!);by playing the racism card now they can justify a potential defeat in November 2008 claiming that the right wing neocons(whomever those might be)and the militaro-industrial complex(check the Hollywood list for more "info" on that!)"forced" with their guns the white "God-loving,gun-totting" middle class Americans to not vote for the"change we can believe in".Simply put it : America is racist and we need more of reverends Wright,Sharpton and Jackson to tell us that.
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David writes: Sunday, June, 22, 2008 6:10 PM
As A Dem
...I agree. I was definitely unimpressed by his mentioning of that. But that said, I promise you some very subtle racist methods will be employed by desperate GOP advertisers. But then again, us dems will most likely be guilty of the same thing with the "AGE" card. He's right that somewhere out there, somewhere in the media, his race will be used against him, but I did not enjoy his victim play.
-David
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...pointing.
She claims:
"This type of thing will come up again, used against him this time."
So apparently you are suggesting that McCain has indeed fathered a black child as was alleged by someone masquerading as a memmber of Bush's 2000 campaign?
Really? You Liberals will stop at nothing in spreading rumors and lies.
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says obambi does not win in a landslide. Only a liberal leftist is stupid enough to be taken in by the half white obambi. |
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Fascinating comment by Hugh. Makes it clear that the Nixon-Reagan strategy of getting the pure white GOP vote in the South has finally collapsed. Thank Obama. Notice Hugh trying to tie the GOP right-wing vote - oh, excuse me, "center-right" - to McCain. No doubt McCain is no racist, but the "center-right" strategy for victory has always been predicated on race: vote against the party of the black man (and other minorities). That's why the South and Southwest went Republican. Guess that's over; it won't win. |
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Please look up the history of the Democratic Party and civil rights. Please. It should be interesting reading for you. |
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Anyone that's hung up over race in this election needs to grow up. Barack Obama never said any such thing and you know it. The man is half white and that's a fact completely lost on conservatives. Stick to the issues and live with the pain. The Republicans are about to get bounced and maybe that's a good thing for the country. Obama is leading in 90 percent of the polls so obviously most of the country don't feel the way you do. Racism is a dead art. Leave it alone for a change. You're notmaking any sense and you clearly look like the racist. |
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about, Boyo?
Other than your side being primed for Victimhood and your MSM Pressie Running Dawgs primed to squeal your bidding, who the heck is doing ANY Race baiting??
I luvs victimhood from your side. Dearly luv it. But, nobody is buying it ANY MORE, Aaron!
Bummer, huh? |
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Enron loophole" to be closed, and claimed that that is the reason for $4 gas. NO democrat and certainly not obambi has ANY standing when it comes to this subject. For the last 35 years these socialists have conspired with their enviro-nazi's to shut down drilling and refining in this country. The environmental movement is where Soviet style communists have taken refuge. From here, they hope to do what they could not do as communists, kill Capitalism. Most of these enviro-fools don't even know they are being used, is it any wonder these fools are called "useful idiots". Thats exactly what 99% of obambi voters are, and why i say "fools voting for a fool".
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Actually it appears Obama is only about 6% black and 40-something % Arab. Black voters are twitterpated about making history by voting in the First Arab/Caucasian President, poor babies.
Barack's mentioning his blackness is just a way to continue the not-exactly-true narrative that he is black.
Being seen-as-black will help Barack get elected. Being Arab would be the kiss of death. Except in his tea-party with Ahmadinejad and the mullahs. |
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...........and did I mention that McCain is going to lose? Yes, get used to the phrase, "President Obama"! We will be dragging you primative neo-cons into the 21st century, kicking and screaming if neccesary. Your backwards mindset will no longer prevail. |
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Oh, we'll be kicking and screaming all right with an Obama presidency. His tax policies alone are enough to make grown men cry.
And Obama would take us right back to some of the worst of the 20th Century. His Oprah-tour speeches sound just like those of Salvador Allende when he ran as the communist candidate in Chile: 1964. Making promises with other people's money to grow the already-dysfunctional nanny-state.
Obama is the one with the backwards mindset. Except he's too young to know it. We're not! |
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Knowbody writes: Sunday, June, 22, 2008 11:28 PM
Oh!
...........and did I mention that McCain is going to lose? Yes, get used to the phrase, "President Obama"! We will be dragging you primative neo-cons into the 21st century, kicking and screaming if neccesary. Your backwards mindset will no longer prevail.
Arch says"
Knowbody. The only thing you will be dragging is your kicked in nutsack. Owwww!!! You spineless libtards should know better than to feebly attempt to deceive the American people as the Soviets tried it and Hitler tried it and the Japanese tried it and got their nutsacks kicked in. What ever gives you the idea that you estrogenized Libtards can get it done? Maybe because you libtards have no nuts to lose hmmmmm!!?? |
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in his deck, including race. Obviously, if he calls us racists, then we will have to show him we are not by voting for him - right? New question - is he really black? We know he is 1/2 white, but is the other half black? Apparently, his Kenyan father was partly Arab. Confusing, isn't it? Obama is using his bi-racial composition to trick us into voting for him. If he continues to claim his blackness, he should provide DNA testing as proof for the claim. I, for one, do not believe he is black.
As a candidate, he talks a good game and says some right things, but he is a Marxist in disguise, groomed by the best political machine in the nation - the Chicago Daley.
Unfortunately, Americans are so desperate for change in government, they will believe almost anything. |
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Someone should point that the good old USA is probably the least racist country on the face of the earth, if you measure in terms of acceptance or opportunity for all. (Pick a country - France? Japan? China? South Africa? Venezuela? Russia?) Not perfect, but people shouldn't feel so bad about themselves that they will vote for Obama to assuage some politically-manufactured guilt. |
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Folks, thank you for the incredible comedic value of these comments. This is why the GOP was petrified about running against Obama. The southern strategy of ‘code’ words becomes a bit more defined with a black man at the head of the ticket. You might actually be stuck talking about issues.
As for campaign finance, we all know that the GOP 527s are coming in full force soon, and this business of campaign finance will end there. And, the beauty is that the 527s will cross the line. The inability of McCain to control them the way Onbama just did MoveOn will show the stark contrast between McBush and Obama.
As an aside, I’m originally from S.C., and you should see the voter registration going on there in the black community. I have never seen anything like it. Anybody over 18 is registering. You are correct that the polls are wrong; they are stilling weighing party specific new voter registration and general turnout as stagnant with 2004. November is simply going to be a bloodbath for the GOP.
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Monkey Girl didn't come and read a statement of accusations of racism in the McCain camp. Darn it. So how is the Christian "I'm not playing the racist card because my former pastor hates America" Obama working for you? Still can't see the forest for the trees with your RCG's on Monkey Gir? Ach! No matter. Conservatives get it, so you don't have to. |
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I read all the posts in this comment segment, AND, the only "code" word I see here is "Tim". |
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see the massive voter turnout being planned among the Vast Seniors population here in Florida. They, unlike your race based 18 year olds, are educated, informed and don't buy Bammy's socialist-pacifism-bash America-Nannystatism for a minute.
So, Tim, lemme ask you something Boyo. You're saying that the Hard Left Obama is going to take S.Carolina?? "Y'all go on down thar, General Custer..Yesirree, y'all go on down thar."
Hope Johnny Little is willing to take the hatred & bitterness as president that GWB has endured for 7 1/2 years. Because the squealing, highchair pounding, keening & rending of garments by shocked & awed Dems in November is gonna be..well..snicker inducing and bitter beyond description. |
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KGK mentioned some black Republicans who ran for office and touched on the disgraceful treatment of them by the left. I have a question for those who support Obama.
Did he denounce those tactics at the time? Even though he was not running for president at the time, he was a politician who should have taken a stand (that is what leaders do).
If he did, I want to see evidence (I have not found any as of yet--only evidence that he whines racism whenever he sees perceived racism coming his way i.e. everybody doesn't love me...they must be racists if they don't). If he didn't, then he needs to just shut up about racism since it didn't matter when it was happening to others! |
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Obama puts on the air of being so above it all and a new type of politician. He in fact is the worst type of pretender, having the most cynical view of the public. He betting on that people will only care about image and presentation, not substance. It might be enough to get elected. His leadership ability is strong but he leads people in the opposite direction of his PR, the wrong direction. He leads people to superficiality, to guilt, and to the ugliest type of partisanship and division. How anyone could vote for this man knowing just a few of his positions is beyond me. But up to recently his positions have not been scutinized by the MSM, just his good looks and speech-reading eloquence. |
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Obama--Cocaine drug addict all thru high school and college. Obama--Turns his back to OUR flag and refuses to sing OUR nat'l anthem (cause he doesn't like the wording). Obama--For TWENTY YEARS hated and damned this country along with his wife who HATES whites!!...OK people, how stupid do you have to be to vote for this joker. If this guy was WHITE with those credentials, he wouldn't even be on the ballot. So how the hell did this jerk even get voted in?? He backstabbed the hell out of his pastor and congregation cause they didn't benefit him anymore. What will he do to the USA as president when it doesn't benefit him anymore. HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO ALLEGIANCE TO THIS COUNTRY WHATSOEVER!!!!! |
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Having no loyalty to this country makes him the most dangerous candidate of the century. And if 90% of blacks vote for a black and their not considered racist than would 90% of whites be called racist if they voted for a white??? Why the different rules for one race over the other. I never understood that and still dont. Who made up those rules? Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? Are the young whites being so brainwashed in our schools that they think voting or disagreeing with any black makes them automatically prejudiced. No wonder all the Europeans are laughing their asses off at us for voting in this absolutely unqualified person Obama!! |
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Briggsy wrote;
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"K.G., is Ahmadinejad Arab?
I did not know that."
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Ahmadinejad is NOT Arab---he is Persian.
Persians are not Arabs.
(There are some Arabs who live in Iran, but again, native Persians are not Arabs.)
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do not need the race card. The man has no experience and no accomplishments. All the GOP has to do is advertise those two facts until every potential voter in America has heard them and know that they are true facts.
The American people are not likely to elect a POTUS who needs on the job training -- not if they have the facts. It is up to the GOP to make the facts known.
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You know Ahmadinejad is Persian. I know it. Briggsy knows it. I was being sarcastic; Briggsy's didn't git it.
Just like people who are not gittin' it that Obama is not particularly black. Rush this minute quoting some who say that's why Michelle has to speak out so much--nad in such a "feisty" manner. She is authentically black, a descendent of slaves. Michelle gits "mean America" and can therefore speak to issues in ways the white/Arab Barack cannot. |
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K.G.
I know you know it.
But based on Briggsy's track record of not knowing very much, I just figured he doesn't know it.
Many people (particularly on the left) don't 'know' that Iran is not an Arab state.
I can't tell you how many letters-to-the-editor in newspapers I've read where lefties write in and say that Ahmadinejad/Iran is merely sticking up for "its fellow Arabs." |
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And you and I agree: It's not about Ahmadinejad, but who is Scary Barry? |
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He was brought up very strict muslim most of his younger life in Indonesia by a step father. And as you all know, Indonesia has THE most radical Muslim population in the world. He is still loyal to his fathers homeland Kenya were many militant muslims hang out. He has more loyalty to Kenya than he does to the USA. He has more loyaly to ANY country than the USA. If Oprah walked out of his church after only 15 minutes because all the preaching and yelling was all hate for the usa, what makes anyone think this obama thing is going to turn around over night?? He and his wife did this for TWENTY Years!! Picture Obama and his wife being WHITE belonging to a church like this. They would be both in jail instead of voted in for President. This is just to insane to think about! |
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saying Obama has experience and accomplishments do not make it true.
Also, how is accusing your opponents of playing the race card different from playing the race card?
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I know that GWB ran the State of Texas government. Obama has never run any government. From what I have heard, he has trouble running a Senate Committeee!!!
I know that GWB ran two large corporations. Obama has never been allowed near running a large corporation.
I do not think being a boy in Indonesia counts as foreign policy experience.
So, you may think there is something in Obama's history that demonstrates leadership experience comparable to GWB's, but I have yet to hear of it.
You are wise to not speak of Obama's accomplishments.
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His race is not completely lost to me...I am aware of the fact that he is biracial which is exactly why he needs to quit playing this "whoa is me" black card.
Quit race bating and making it an issue. McCain hasn't made his race an issue. BHO makes his own race an issue...even though it's not his only racial background.
Oh...and word to the wise...if 98% of black men voting for him isn't a racial vote then I must be dumb as rocks. (But oh...the media claims that they just all think he is qualified. BULL!!!!!!)
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...of members of black churches believe the government should do more for them. This is probably true of hispanics, government employees, union members, those of the underclass, environmentalists, and more.
Set in granite is the idea that the Dems are the party of government handouts and government control and the Pubs are the party of rich, white guys exploiting the poor and the environment.
We can rant about oil, the Supreme Court, the war, race, Obama's pastors, and Michelle's makeup, but in the end people will vote for the government handouts promised by Obama.
It is the needy piglets sucking at the public sow that will bring down the country.
Will enough voters come to the realization that Obama is a really bad idea? |
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I teach my children that you can do it, regardless of color. (some of my kids are african american). I don't ever want them to use their race to get ahead, get behind or as an excuse. My children are children of God, Americans, brothers and sisters...etc. I do not admire folks who say "I'm the first Black...I'm the first woman....I'm the first this." If you acomplished it, you did it and skin color did not play into your accomplishments, just as my red hari does not play a part in mine. |
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Yup, just read it. Give me a minute. It was right here on TH. |
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http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/9fdd2172-4a89-4f16-897d-d7f0 b864d226
I apologize for not knowing how to do a link. You will have to Google it. It's on an Amanda Carpenter's article entitled "Pew Research Findings on Black Churches." It includes the following: (Read through the list.)
PARTY AFFILIATION
66 percent Democratic
12 percent lean Democratic
POLITICAL IDEOLOGY
35 percent conservative
36 percent moderate
21 percent liberal
ABORTION
23 percent say it should be illegal in most cases
23 percent say it should be illegal in all cases
HOMOSEXUALITY
46 percent believe homosexuality should be discouraged by society
ROLE OF GOVERNMENT
72 percent support bigger government, more services
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Oh, I guess I know more than I thought. The link came through.
My guess is that nearly all Dems (and maybe a bunch of Pubs) would like more government services. No one's picking on the black church here.
My earlier point was that as long as people are determined to keep voting themselves more and more goodies, the Republicans have a tough time winning because the Dems are seen as Santa Claws.
Of course, as an American tax payer, I see them as Satan Claws.
PS: Please note the sermon Obama preached in church on Father's Day. (No, I don't have a link, but it was played over and over.) He started out well enough, preaching that fathers should step up and take care of their children. But it finally devolved into his normal nanny-state doctrine of how the "government needs to meet fathers half way."
That promise was received well by the congregation. Not a good sign for America. A bunch of us are getting tired of paying for some guy's (of any color)irresponsible fun. Even half of it. |
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Make that first one Santa "Claus." Freudian slip, I guess. |
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As one of those interested in the political and social trends of the the last 55 years or so, I'm absolutely astounded by the candidates for president that the once-proud Demo party has picked over the years.
Ever since JFK, each candidate posted has been worse than the previous one. The three victors; Johnson who gave us the "Great Society" problems, well-meaning Jimmy Carter who will be remembered as the worst president in memory who can't keep his nutty opinions to himself, and the crazy rebel of the '60s Clinton with his shenanigans and lying under oath. And now we may be stuck an Obomanation this fall. God help us!
Wake up folks, and listen to what this empty suit is saying!!!! The reference above to all the piglets sucking the momma pig to death is indeed what lies in store for America!
Thought that I'd never say it, but even Hillary looks REAL GOOD next to this guy!
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More government services vs. the government doing more for you? Well, it's a distinction w/o a difference except to people with their own biases.
I no way changed the wording for any self-serving purpose. My point: As long as 72% of people of any color are going to vote for more government services, they are probably going to vote Demo.
The Dems have positioned themselves as Santa Claus. Please note: Santa himself never pays for anything. The kids play, the grown-ups pay and Santa gets the credit. |
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I cannot believe you would cite New Orleans as anything but an example of Liberalism Exposed. A bunch of poor people subsidized into living in a very dangerous area. Government "largesse" kept them in their stupid plantation instead of moving to higher ground in say, uh, just about anywhere in America.
Tax money sent to shore up the levies went into the pockets of grifter politicians. And when the storm came and the levies broke, these poor, poor people without resources, know-how or gumption sat on a roof bleating for help while simultateously cursing the help.
Dem Mayor Nagen et al had NO plan for the inevitable. Contrast the pathetic citizens of Narlens infantalized by liberalism with the responses of the people in the San Diego fire (orderly evac of over 1 million people) and the current folks in the MidWest floods.
We cons may well be swimming against the tide. It sure feels like that. More and more folks wannabee just like NO: suckin' up to the public t-t and crying their heads off if they have to grow up and take adult responsibility.
I'm not preaching Darwinianism; just some plain old common sense. The New Orleanization of America will take us down.
Adults know that if you reach the tilting point of high taxes, big government, huge beaurocracies and a dependent, lawless underclass, it's all coming apart. Adults know that if you want more cops and better schools (not a function of money, BTW) you better look to see where you can cut somewhere else: say the 70% illegit rate.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too. But Obama and his ilk have sold the lie: Yes, we can. |
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BJob continues her myopic race-hustling antics:
At 3:52 PM she writes:
"It has started with the b.s. "Whitey" video story on Faux News and the demonization of "scary" Michelle Obama."
This ignorant BJob knows full well that Hillary's guy, Bob Beckel, started this entire rumor, just as Shrillary's camp started so many other negative "stories" about Obama during this drawn-out, chaotic, asinine, Democrat Party campaign process.
1:20 into the YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RwE9QWhtE
BUT-----BJOB blames it on Fox News, not the Democrat yahoo that they interviewed in the story---how pathetic----how predictably ignorant----how further indicative of her RACE-HUSTLING.
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This is the question that BHO will continually asks....
Can't we get over all the "old politics"?
"He is old, he is experienced, he has a common name....and oh, by the way, did I mention that he is white?"
Now, if there is a single, conservative black person in the US that is going to vote for Obama because he is black, can I stop the political correctness and call them "bigots"?
He is the candidate of change all right. Change to him is all.
Yes we can, "PLAY THE RACE CARD" and dare anyone to say anything about it. |
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Cons are horrified at the spending under the GOP. And why did they do it? To compete with the Dems for votes.
Cons vote for Pubs with the hope of a lean, efficient government that sticks to business, but alas, the GOP sold us out. And, does it gain them any votes? No.
Because the narrative is and will always be Dems: Santa--Pubs, Grinch. Obama's playing the Santa card to the hilt. Fine and dandy. But don't sell it as something new and wonderful. That's just one lie too many.
Don't quote the Clinton years. Clinton was forced into fiscal conservatism and welfare reform by the Gingrich Congress. There will be no such balance of power with Obama as POTUS.
Plus, you need to take an economics class. Higher taxes result in less revenue. With the Bush Tax Cuts (really a repeal of the Clinton tax hikes), money has been pouring into the government coffers at record rates.
It's the spending that's killed us. But Obama has promised tax hikes and more spending. Lose/lose, I believe.
Here's a story. My friend works for a big computer company. She worked at the US government facility in Livermore, CA. The US gov't spent over $6 million and then decided they didn't want a certain software. Six mill down the potty, and no one cared. A drop in the bucket.
Now she's working at Quantico. Millions and millions of wasted dollars. My man was Mitt. Roll up your sleeves and fix the hideous waste in Washington.
Government is dysfunctional because there is NO accountability. There is no one in charge. The Congress just creates more and more spending. Obama's tax hikes and expanded social services will hurt the economy. And what hurts the economy, hurts everyone. |
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BJob opines at 3:52 PM:
"...and the demonization of "scary" Michelle Obama."
Yeah, right. People question things Michelle Obama says; IN PUBLIC, IN PUBLIC VENUES, WHILE PUBLICLY SHILLING FOR HER HUSBAND, and BJob cries because she feels it just 'aint right to question/challenge Michelle for these things she declares in public forums.
How pathetic.
How completely ignorant.
How predictably Liberal.
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Brob writes: Monday, June, 23, 2008 7:21 PM
"K.G. you are also swimming against
the stream. Ask a liberal (or a moderate) to name the government system of another country that they admire."
Brob is right, just somewhat confused. Conservatives believe in the Constitution, which was written to LIMIT the power of the Federal government not expand it.
The government is not there to "fix the world" and take all my rights in the process.
There is so much criticism of the Bush administrations taking away our freedom by wire tapping, etc. But there is no concern with the Democratic agenda to enslave us all simply by taxing us.
"The best way to control a thing is not to ban it, but to tax it!"
Remember the Boston Tea Party, no taxation without representation. So now, the majority rides the back of the minority because of taxation, redistribution of the wealth, Socialism I believe. |
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Nobody minds paying for levies that work and government services that actually help people.
The point is we paid for levies that didn't work and welfare that kept people in a dangerous situation without providing for their safety BEFORE the inevitable happened.
Repeat after me: Government is generally ineffective and often dysfunctional because there is little or no accountability.
I don't give a rat's behind what Bush said about FEMA. I do care that the LA mayors and the governors should have anticipated the inevitable and had a plan to protect their people. It was the DEM leaders who were asleep at the switch--and then wanted to pass the buck.
During the San Diego Fire, Romney was here w/o the press, in work clothes, sleeves rolled up, wielding a chain saw. Guv Arnold was at our local high school handing out food with Giraldo.
Nope. We did not see Obama here--even once. Well, we didn't need him. We had it covered. |
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...that was in Viet Nam helping children with cleft pallets while Michelle was on The View talking about panty hose?
The Cindy McCain who adopted a dying child from abroad while Michelle was stomping around denouncing America as a mean country?
The Cindy McCain whose children are serving in Iraq while Michelle's are home with grandma?
McCain is not making the First Lady an issue. We voters are. |
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"(a) cons never really believed in smaller government in the first place,"
You are making the same mistake Dems and RINOs keep making, you are confusing Republicans for conservatives. I assure you that conservatives DO believe in smaller government which is why we are about to deliver a crushing defeat to the "other" Democratic party this November. Then, having eliminated the blocking committee for the original Democratic party, we will then be free to go after you libs directly so don't feel to smug after the GOP gets its butt kicked... YOU libs are next. |
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This pathetic liberal does not even respond to his feckless claim/allegation that the "right" is mistreating his Messiah's wife. BJob writes:
"At 3:52 PM she writes:
"It has started with the b.s. "Whitey" video story on Faux News and the demonization of "scary" Michelle Obama."
She claims there is a demonization" occurring here. To which I respond that it is simply fair game to address ANYONE who chooses to make PUBLIC her anger, her "pride", and many other "issues" she has.
BJob cannot address this issue. She can not stay focused enough to even play with her navel here. All she can do is obfuscate; make off-topic comments about Cindy McCain----NOTHING about the false claims of the, "DEMONIZATION OF THE MESSIAH'S BRIDE".
Pathetic little race-baiter.
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Nothing you say changes the fact that "Bombshell Bob Beckel" was at ground-zero over the rumors of some "whitey" video.
Part of that ongoing pathetic Camp Clinton strategy to derail Obama's lead over her.
Only numbskulls like you cannot see the crap she pulled, the dirt she dished up, the havoc she created all through your asinine campaign debacle which sucked up massive amounts of energies, airtime, and emotionalism of your side for months.
What a maroon. |
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....of Elston Howard of the Yankees of the 1950's calling a guy whitey over and over and over again.
Where's the outrage.....?
KG, I can't believe you have nothing better to do than engage that brainless blowhard. |
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Ok lets get it over with. Obammy is a black man who happens to be a leftist socialist radical. This should scare the bejebus out of mainstream America. After all, what liberty slaying leftist socialist be he black, white, brown, or yellow isn't just what this nation needs right now? Scumbags all of them no matter what color they come in. The evil comes in the form of a black man this time around and matters not what skin he presents. The result will be loss of liberty in our nation by the evil black candidate this time and who knows what color of skin the next one will be. Evil socialists liberty blood suckers every one of them!! |
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Oh by the way, I forgot to mention that Obammy is an evil BLACK blood sucker! |
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Obama comes out and predicts that the nose-holders will be focusing on fear-mongering and race-baiting and sure enough, the nose-holders instantly oblige him by doing just that. You guys really should let go of your noses. It cuts off circulation to your brains and clouds your judgment. This thread is a classic. |
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Pasadena Phil writes: Monday, June, 23, 2008 10:11 PM
I love the McCainiacs on this thread
Obama comes out and predicts that the nose-holders will be focusing on fear-mongering and race-baiting and sure enough, the nose-holders instantly oblige him by doing just that. You guys really should let go of your noses. It cuts off circulation to your brains and clouds your judgment. This thread is a classic.
Arch says"
Take your opium of the masses and stuff it where the air is foul, Pasadena Phil. You libtards are a virus on humanity and relish in the demise of our liberty and well being. Either you can claim ignorance and be forgiven or you are just plain evil to advocate the restrictions of the liberties we all enjoy in this great nation. Socialism is pure evil. It has been proven throughout history and by advocating pure evil you are thusly so! |
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New around here? Me? A libtard? What drugs are you on? |
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"Obammy is a black man..."
No, he's a mulatto. Stop fantasizing about nut sacks and try to learn something instead. You're showing your ignorance. |
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Pasadena Phil writes: Monday, June, 23, 2008 10:59 PM
arch
New around here? Me? A libtard? What drugs are you on?
Arch says"
Sorry Phil but I misinterpreted your post and took you for another libtard. My indulgence of drugs would be a couple of budweisers and reading some of the tripe on this forum. I am not a fan of McCain but will vote for him to avoid Obammy the leftist goon. Again Sorry for the mistake. |
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It's how the audience received it!Did you hear the audio,they were cheering the loudest at the mention of race.Just like they were cheering for Rev Wright,just like that freak father Phleager.Yea Obama you just keep bringing all Americans together. |
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Ryan01 writes: Monday, June, 23, 2008 11:01 PM
arch
"Obammy is a black man..."
No, he's a mulatto. Stop fantasizing about nut sacks and try to learn something instead. You're showing your ignorance.
Arch says"
I just take Obammy for his own preference on this one. He has identified himself as a black man and so be it. His radical leftism and socialistic politics are the evil wrapped around this man as you should agree that leftism and socialism are two evils threatening mankind's liberty and freedom. What good has ever come from these two dehumanizing evils? Gulags? Concentration death camps? Purges of death? Central Government control over the lives of human beings? See anything you like Ryan01? Maybe you would enjoy a dominant central government, but I would believe the human nature God created in us all yearns for the utmost freedom and liberty for all humans born possible and history is on my side for this issue? |
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Did the same thing myself last night and I'm still embarrassed over it. But I really believe you are wrong for voting for McCain. This is America. Elections are important but our very survival is not at risk here. We will be fine but would be better if we actually had a real choice. If you believe that electing Obama will be a disaster that can only be avoided by electing McCain instead, you are believing the rhetoric but ignoring the reality. Both are bad and it would be better having a big 3rd party vote to deny either a mandate. That is what I expect will happen but the GOP is going to get crushed in November. They deserve it. |
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Yep Sloandog. I am racist to the core! Any human being who advocates leftist socialist politics is evil no matter what color his skin. You could term me a human racist!! |
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I figured you would come back with that. I don't care if he says he's green. He's a mulatto, period.
As far as Obama's socialist beliefs go I have as much for them as I do the corporatism of John McCain. They both suck. |
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I just cannot do it Phil. The 3rd party option is void of a candidate though the idea is a good one for this election. I totally understand your beef as I am torn to be forced to vote for the reptile McCain. If I do nothing then I feel the Obammy evil will prevail and hasten our demise. I have hope that the lesser of two evils is better than the quick death of a libtard in power with a majority of libtards in congress. A slower painful death is preferred in this case. Like a cancer growing on our nation, the quick way out is not the patient's usual wish as long as there is hope for a few more years of fighting the f=ng dreaded disease. |
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Ryan. At least you and I agree that they both suck. Now can you agree that socialism and leftism are pure evil for humanity? If so, them Obammy is the worst choice for human well being, right? McCain is not so evil and allows more time to regain liberty and freedom for the citizens of our nation. He can at least stop the coagulation of leftist power to one political body which advocates the erosion of human liberty and freedom even though he leans left on many issues. |
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Got any sane viewpoints to add to the conversation my dear Kimberly? Feel free to voice an opinion that clarifies the distinction between socialism\leftism and conservatism and which is best for the human being. Or is that too much to ask of you? |
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...is all tuckered out over making up so many scenarios as to how long it will take to capitalize on drilling, that she's reverted to simply lashing out at any and all who "deserve" it.
Man, I have never been so pleased to be on a list as I am to reside on hers. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Yep----this bimbo has declared that her "ciphering" determined that new drilling would take 22 years (2030), then she changed it to 16 and then 18---you know, whatever Leftist websites she visited that specific day which fed her the narrative.
The drug years for her took a tragic toll indeed.
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I believe either one of them is going to do great damage to this country, therefore, I won't vote for either of them. I got tired of the lesser of the two evils argument years ago and have refused to play that game because it is rigged from the beginning. A choice between globalist candidate A and globalist candidate B is simply not choice save between arsenic or cyanide. |
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We've all made similar mistakes. You're simply one who'll learn from your mistake sooner than most of us. |
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K.G.
These libtards are maddening. They promote leftism and socialism like it is a utopia for the existence of the human spirit. Never mind the history of humanity that is right before their libtard eyes. The only hope for them is at the snap end of the whip of tyranny, while they scream for more, dragging their bloody nutsacks throughout history. It is just a shame they drag us along with them. |
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Come on now Ryan, You can admit that socialism\leftism is bad for human beings now can't you? It is just a small step to realizing that the lesser of 2 evils allows more time for hope of deliverance. You have a glint of hope left in you don't you? |
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I am in total agreement with you regarding Kimberly.
She has the brain of a 60's Acid freak and the effects are like a flashback to her idol Timothy Leary. Go Kimberly!!! |
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My idea of utopia would be for the libtards as you call them to be beamed up a la Star Trek on their own planet. They could party on living liberalism to their hearts' content.
We could live conservatism on our planet. In 50 years, check 'em both out and see the results.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
Have you listened to Evan Sayet, the lib turned conservative? His speech before the Heritage Foundation takes about 45 minutes, but it's worth every minute of it. It explains a lot. |
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Thanks for the tip K.G. I will check it out. |
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You are one of the brightest, and the smartest, on hugh's post; and I greatly value your comments and points.
Having said that, please dearest heart do not waste your talent and goodness on brob.
Just let like-minded persons, such as brob and kimberly, be their own empty superficial twisted idea echo chamber.
When they cannot argue intelligently, they engage in name calling and have no dept in their arguments. |
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Kimberly writes:
Funny thing: I honestly sort of like you chumps. Go figure.
Arch says"
As much as I despise your politics, I am drawn to your style. Kimberly, you are so stubborn in the belief of your politics that I am amused to your logic of thinking. If socialism\leftism is bad for human beings, then why do you advocate them? |
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Thanks, friends. I will happily take your good advice.
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I'd like to see Jerry Seinfeld or Jon Stewart get as many laughs out of a "die, fags" routine.
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What? How do your think this? |
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We could live conservatism on our planet. In 50 years, check 'em both out and see the results.
Arch says"
There would be nothing left on their planet for as there would be no conservatives to demonize, they would eat their own to satisfy their quest for power. What a perfect depiction of Dante's Hell!! |
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K.G. writes: Tuesday, June, 24, 2008 1:16 AM
MaryStella, Arch and Paddy
Thanks, friends. I will happily take your good advice.
arch says"
You have earned all benefit of doubt K.G. Your posts are very good reading. I got your back! |
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arch,
Friend, there are some hard right wingers such as Pasadena Phil who believe that McCain is no better than Obama.
You're just wasting your time attempting to reason with him.
In fact, I can pull up a quote from a couple months ago where Pasadena Phil said that Jon Kyl is basically a RINO.
Yeah, that Jon Kyl.
Ha, ha, ha.
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Thanks for the heads up. Hard right wingers are ok with me as long as they battle socialism and leftism. |
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Pinhead. Lookit you seeking attention for your foolish, bigoted views. "Human racist", is that so. How about du...ss. |
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Apparently you do not comprehend what you read and/or you have absolutely no critical thinking skills. Nowhere did I say that Obama was responsible for the words or deeds of others. I said if he did not speak up about blatant racism when it was there for all to see, he does not have the right to whine about the perceived racism coming his way (he is terribly thin-skinned, so I imagine there will be a lot of it).
I get what you are saying Brob, and it is loud and clear. When the left acts with overt racism, that is alright because blacks are all supposed to buy the lib party line. You believe that libs should be expected to have no principles whatsoever, but conservatives have to be held to higher standards than Jesus, himself. you believe Obama should be a total narcissistic person (which he does seem to be) and only worry about "injustice" (no matter how trumped up) if he is the one suffereing it.
We all get it Brob. I am sure you will be the one howling racism the loudest when Obama takes a beating in November. |
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You don't get it at all, Dottie. In this country, we have an institutional history of whites oppressing blacks, from slavery to the right to vote. What is the history of blacks oppressing whites in the USA? |
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Not only is this myopic fool, BJob, going to be crying "racism" to the rafters, over any and all appearances----even racism being flung by his own party (as was done several times by Shrillary Clinton and her camp while she fought with Obama for the Dem-candidate position).
Not only will BJob be crying racism, she will be a source of it as in the past----of which I have pointed out and called her on, of which she has never retracted nor showed any remorse for.
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Stupid remark, based on a profound lack of understanding of racism. No surprise. And get your insults straight: he or she. |
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YOU seem to be the one that does not get it. I have never said that racism was ok. When blacks ran as conservatives, they were treated to the most vile of racist behaviors by the left. Are you trying to tell me that is ok?
We do not owe Obama anything except opportunity. If we find him lacking as presidential material, which I most certainly do--based soley on his political beliefs and behaviors and not one bit on his race or ethnic background, then we have the right to try to get someone other than Obama elected.
I am not sure what your point is. Would you please elaborate?
I think people in the cities who have been treated to crime waves brought on my lw policies would tell you that they do face oppression from some blacks.
Also, clarity is a very sensible poster and you should not be throwing stones in his direction when you are trying to make this entire election about race. When you think of it--people like you are the true racists and MLK would be ashamed of you. |
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You're a perfect example of Liberalism:
No concept that there can indeed be reverse racism---as has been exercised by BJob on these threads.
In your pathetic little world---it is only "whitey" who is guilty of racism. You see, pathetic one, Shelbey Steele disagrees as well while writing a book, "White Guilt".
You are bereft of an ability to conceive that BJob's race-hustling, race-baiting is indeed a form of racism.
So be it.
You are the one proven to be IGNORANT.
Time and time again. |
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Clarity: "reverse racism"? You mean where blacks oppress whites in our society? Sorry, no.
Dottie, it's not that racism os "ok", it's that you don't accept what it is. |
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read the book.
I have not the time to edify you on the details.
Besides, with your degree of ignorance, I have neither the patience. |
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What is racism according to Dudley. This ought to be interesting. |
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Hey arch,
Do your parents know about your immature rantings on this blog? Because if they do and they do nothing, they're bad parents--you are badly in need of a lesson on the mutual exclusivity of maturity and name-calling. |
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Look it up, Dottie.
Nevermind Clarity. He can't defend himself. "Reverse prejudice"? How about reverse truth? |
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dudley writes: Tuesday, June, 24, 2008 3:12 PM
Arch
Pinhead. Lookit you seeking attention for your foolish, bigoted views. "Human racist", is that so. How about du...ss.
Arch says"
Whatsa matter Dudley have you no defense for your socialist leftist politics of pure evil? Have you no examples of how leftist democratic policies have increased liberty and freedom to all? I have stated the list of horribles incurred by your worshiped leftist libtard socialist agenda for controlling humans. All you can advance is more restrictions on the freedom and liberty of your fellow citizens. You are as much a libtard as your candidate Obammy, the radical socialist leftist guru of tyranny. You have been sold an ideology that has resulted in millions of deaths by extermination and iron fisted tyranny and enslavement of the human spirit and now you want to sell it here? What a libtard!! I bet you have never met a salesman you didn't get taken by. Am I right? |
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fbear writes: Tuesday, June, 24, 2008 7:57 PM
arch
Hey arch,
Do your parents know about your immature rantings on this blog? Because if they do and they do nothing, they're bad parents--you are badly in need of a lesson on the mutual exclusivity of maturity and name-calling.
Arch says"
I am sorry to be so rude to those who sell my freedom and liberties to tyrants and despots of pure evil fbear. I am working on my anger management but to no avail. You can probably expect more of it than less until the libtards leave me and my progeny alone. My parents have long passed before I became unmanageable. Do you think they can still watch what I do from the after life? |
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We've already pretty much lost the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and that was under Republicans. |
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stop blogging and you'll be pleasantly surprised how left alone you and your progeny will be.
But oh no, you'll be back. Got a mission, right? |
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I know what oppression means; I just want to know what your point is because you really don't have one.
You seem to think that lefties can act in any way they want because......well, of that I am unsure. Maybe it is because the left tries so hard to "help" minorities, but, honestly, their help has done much more harm than good.
I understand slavery and the Civil Rights movement (of which the Republicans were right out there getting the legislation passed). I just don't know what that has to do with Obama.
He whines like a little nancy-boy whenever reporters try to press him with their questions ("I've already answered, like, 8 questions," and my favorite "Just let me eat my waffle." What an appropriate food for him). He (or the lw) is going to shout racism anytime the heat is on. Yet, he couldn't speak out when racism was so clearly exhibited when black Conservatives ran for office. He is a phony of the first order.
I refuse to support someone based solely on the color of his/her skin. That does not make me a racist. |
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"You seem to think that lefties can act in any way they want because......well, of that I am unsure. Maybe it is because the left tries so hard to "help" minorities, but, honestly, their help has done much more harm than good."
Yes, that voting thing is very bad for them. Much better when they were risking their lives just to register to vote.
"I understand slavery and the Civil Rights movement (of which the Republicans were right out there getting the legislation passed). I just don't know what that has to do with Obama."
Passing Civil Rights legislation was done mostly by Northern Senators and Representatives of both parties. Remember, until Nixon's "Southern Strategy" there were really two Democratic Parties--one in the North and one in the South.
If you take a look at what's happened in the South, the once "Solid South" for the Democratic Party has switched to the G.O.P. And it was the conservative pro-segregationists who led the switch.
And conservatives were NOT on the front lines risking their lives. Those people were liberals, anarchists, socialists, and communists. Those on the front lines OPPOSING Civil Rights were conservatives. |
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You can try to gain all the glory of Civil Rights for the liberals, but it is not true, and you know it. Liberals of today are not the courageous people that they were in the 60s and early 70s. Today, they are just people who want to buy votes with handouts, gut the military, and do anything to make sure the US is put in "its place."
Red Necks opposed Civil Rights, and you may wish to believe all red necks are Conservatives, but that is not the truth. If you truly think it is, you are more elitist than I thought.
You should not try to put words in people's mouths because you look very ridiculous when you do. The left has tried to "help" minorities in ways other than voting rights (and the right was in on that as well even if you want to lie and say they were not).
When blacks are free to have independent thought without the left ranting and screaming about it (look at how black conservatives are treated by the left with tacit approval from black leaders no less), then I will believe the left is not a hotbed of racists who believe they are the salvation of blacks and blacks owe them some kind of loyalty.
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You libtards are worse than racists. You are leftist socialists who eat away at the very soul of human beings. You are blood suckers and parasites who ride on the backs of the helpless and desperate, offering to throw them a dime for a vote or a bottle of TJSwan. After sucking their blood (Votes), You erode away the dignity, freedom, and liberty of fellow human beings with your power by enacting laws that advance dependency to your power just like an advanced cancer on humanity. You are an evil disease to be eliminated from the earth far out of the reach of power over others. The worse thing about it is you know what you are doing and don't give a damn about civility and your fellow human beings. I can only believe with great faith that each and every one of you libtards will be judged with the justice you deny others at your final gasping breath of life and reap your just rewards in the afterlife. Amen!! |
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How 'bout, you make no sense?
How 'bout, you have nothing productive to provide to this issue?
And, speaking of "truth", indeed it reveals volumes about where it is you come from. |
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The third and most intrusive system of all was the use of race as a way in which to define Obama's opponent and the use of racism claims to ensure that major issues were stifled in the press. Indeed, to this day, the Democrats have continued to use racism wherever they turn. From the Wright controversy, where Dean called the coverage racist, to the war against Geraldine Ferraro claiming that she is a racist, Obama has turned the tables dramatically against free speech and toward some other place that we dare not go or discuss.
More on this systematic plan of control was published May 18, 2008, at RW in the article "The Dean Plan", reposted again below, with updates and a new section at the end on Obama campaign worker training camps and other developments
http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/ |
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This Dudley is quite the nimrod I must say. What does he offer to debate? Liberal pablum and generic talking points of the diseased minds of the leftist dirges. He merely exhibits the herpes ulcer on the lip of the leftist socialist ideology. |
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Say old boy! have you noticed that you have become reduced to a verbal garbage disposal by our command?(Laughter) (More Laughter) (Maniacal laughter) |
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So ironic, dontcha think? As we have pointed out on several occasions, Obama is about 6% black. He is just trying to deflect attention from the fact that he is half white and about 44% Arab.
I have more Apache in me than Obama has black.
I would probably get recognized as an Indian all the time....except for the blond hair and green eyes..... whew!
Nite all..... |
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"the right was in on that as well even if you want to lie and say they were not"
Okay, name prominent conservatives involved in the Civil Rights movement.
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from Paddy.
So the problem isn't that he's Black, it's that he's Arab. It's still racist. |
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Look it up, there are more than a few! Name prominent liberals that are cut from the same cloth as liberals of today, and there are far fewer.
What you imply is that liberals of the 60s and 70s and liberals of today even compare, and they do NOT. The Democrat party has changed mightily since LBJ (who ruined it). You people have grown to believe that people can do nothing for themselves, and big government has to ride to the rescue like John Wayne and the cavalry.
We conservatives believe that government needs to get the heck out of the way because people can do much better for themselves if government doesn't interfere. And don't tell me how miserable the Republican record of growing government is...I am well aware (not all Repubs are conservative--something they will pay for).
The liberals created an underclass that would not have come about absent welfare, and for that you and your ilk should be ashamed! |
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I highly recommend that all of you research Civil Rights and know there is pride and shame shared by both sides. I am tired of people like fbear who have been fed crap by the left trying to spout her "knowledge" as truth.
If I grew up being taught that a dog was a bear, I would believe that was the case. It doesn't make it true, however.
Republicans supported Johnson's Civil Rights legislation at a higher percentage than Democrats (I know...fbear tries to obfuscate about that). And, guess to what party Orval Faubus (who sent in the National Guard to prevent the integration of Little Rock's Central High School) belonged. Remind me...Dwight D. Eisenhower sent in troops to enforce integration--to what party did he belong?
There is much, much more! It is also important to remember that the regular, everyday people who supported or fought Civil Rights came from all walks of life.
The left tries to act morally superior without cause, and it is ridiculous! |
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African-Americans for Imus to imply that it was to be expected if a person was arrested six times he must be a black person? |
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....when people are too stupid to understand what your saying, they use the racism card as their out.
There sure are a lot of stupid people around these days. |
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It is sooooo very Clear
that leave nothing there to be,
but Clear
Therefore, I second your Clearly
Clearly!
Hope, don't mind the echo
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Judging by this thread, Obama's not going to get the delusional vote. Oh well...maybe that's a good thing.. |
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I notice you didn't answer my question. It is clear Obama won't get the intelligent vote....tht is clearly a good thing. |
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anyone...anyone...
Picking up on arch's maniacal laugh. |
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Dottie,
Yes, the hard-core segregationists were Southern Democrats. But they weren't liberals, they were conservatives. Notice how the South has switched to mostly Republican. Look at Strom Thurmond, who switched to the G.O.P. as the Republicans more and more became the party of race-baiting. Jesse Helms is another Southern Democratic Segregationist turned Republican.
Only a fool would argue that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a conservative. At the time of his death he was ready to launch the Poor People's Campaign. He's very much in line with modern liberalism.
The Freedom Riders were not conservatives. Those who risked and gave their lives during Freedom Summer were not conservatives.
Yes, many Republicans voted for the Civil Rights bills of 1964 and 1965, but Everett Dirksen is not a hero of modern conservatives.
It's funny, conservatives will cry "don't mistake the Republican Party for conservatism", but when it suits their purposes they will conflate the two.
And nobody has yet to name any prominent conservatives who were leaders in the Civil Rights movement. Not a one. |
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(from Wikipedia)
By party and region
Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:
* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:
* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
* Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)
Notice that the Presidential nominee of the Republican Party was one of the 6 Republican Senators who voted against it. |
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Can you explain to me how "modern" liberals are different from those of 40 - 50 years ago?
I can tell you how modern conservatives are different from those of 40 - 50 years ago.
Previously, conservatives wanted to keep government power in check. Modern "conservatives" want to give government more and more intrusive powers.
Previously, conservatives wanted to reduce or eliminate deficit spending. Modern conservatives have elected as President the two deficit-spending champions, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.
Previously, conservatives supported "good government." Now, conservatives call government "the enemy", which makes very little sense considering the point listed two spots above. |
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You love to imply that all Southerners who disliked Civil Rights became Republicans. How convenient for you.
Modern liberals do not believe that people can do anything on their own. The welfare state has done so much more harm than good. The libs just want to keep on giving out tax payer dollars to buy votes even if it does damage to those who are being given handouts.
What courage have modern liberals shown? I see no evidence of any kind of courage. You are all a bunch of whiners who don't seem to believe much in personal responsibility.
Ronald Reagan--kick him around all you want--ended the Cold War. He was courageous and showed great foresight even though you naysayers on the left screamed and threw your fits to try to keep the status quo. Did you care about those living under tyranny? Of course not.
You libs show no courage in the war on terror. You would rather suffer a hit every so often (ala Clinton). Too bad you care more about the rights of terrorists (who are an awful lot like the white supremacists of forty years ago) than you do about those they kill.
You libs are also more about supporting rights that are not even in the Constitution (the Right to Privacy) than you are about supporting rights that are...Second Amendment anyone.
You squandered any right to be proud of liberalsim when people like you hijacked it for your own personal gain. |
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Do you know why Goldwater opposed it? I will tell you why...he worried that the legislation would lead to reverse discrimination. Hmmmmmmm |
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Nice caricature.
Doesn't bear much resemblance to reality, though. |
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Martin Luther King was a conservative you Idiot. Don't you know what he even stood for? He advocated conservative social values that would judge a man by the content of his character and not by the color of his skin. This is not the dogma of liberals. They must group everyone into race, gender, income, and sexual preference and afford special considerations for just that. This is the opposite of what MLK stood for and you are too stupid to know it. What a libtard you are fbear. Dottie has stomped on your libtard balls and you didn't even feel it? Go figure!! |
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What is it with conservatives and name calling? Is it a form of mass-infantilism?
Let me know when conservatives decide to act like adults. |
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fbear, you obviously see this as libs=good guys and conservatives=bad guys. It is never black and white like you are trying to say it is.
I see no liberal courage. I see extreme racism from the left when a black conservative refuses to stay on the lib plantation. Do you deny this?
I think a lot of southern democrats left the Democrat party, not over race, but over the party turning radical. You know the southerners tend to understand the First and Second Amendment much better than most Democrats.
Dispute what I say. Don't accuse arch of name-calling when you do the same! |
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fbear, with you all the way. Dottie can't defend one thing she says, not one. White southerners will never vote for a black. Nevermind arch, a pinhead with a foul mouth who has no concept of our country's history. |
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Of course there were liberals whose record on Civil Rights were less-than-stellar. Of course there were conservatives who supported the Civil Rights movement.
But the reality is that few prominent conservatives took any risks to support the movement, and those on the front lines were mostly anarchists, liberals, socialists, and communists.
Goldwater was, in general, an honorable man, but he was wrong on this issue, and besides, you can't have it both ways--on one side, you are saying that conservatives voted for the Civil Rights act because a higher percentage of Republicans voted for it, but then Goldwater's opposition is pooh-poohed.
And you also can't have it both ways about Republicans and conservatism. In 1964, it actually was true that Republicans weren't necessarily conservative (much less so now), so the percentage of Republicans voting for the Act doesn't prove anything about conservative support for Civil Rights.
And you still haven't named a single prominent conservative who was also prominent in the Civil Rights movement. |
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the poster with the handle, "dudley", he goes by "little DuD", thats because he has yet to post a comment that could be characterized as intelligent or insightful. It's usually 2 disjointed sentences that say NOTHING, hence the handle, "little DuD". To say that "little DuD" is slow is to call the Grand Canyon a hole in the ground. I believe it's a combination of bad genes and too many "doobies" or as "little DuD" likes to call them, "medical marijuana". |
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Dottie,
Can you give examples of liberal racism? Or aren't liberals allowed to oppose African American conservatives? That sounds like quotas to me. |
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fbear writes: Thursday, June, 26, 2008 10:54 AM
arch
What is it with conservatives and name calling? Is it a form of mass-infantilism?
Let me know when conservatives decide to act like adults.
Arch says"
Fbear. I will stop the name calling when the descriptive value of the names I use for you libtards no longer can be deemed the absolute truth. When you finally grow up and learn what the real world is all about and abandon your evil ideology, leftist socialist dogma will become evident to you as an evil malignant disease upon the well being of humanity. Until that enlightenment becomes you, there will be no quarter to the name calling I engage in. Feel free to rebuke me but facts are very stubborn things. |
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Little dud is a very accurate description of the libtard calling itself Dudley. He seems to aspire to deem me a pinhead but it is not I who advocates a truly evil leftist socialism upon humanity, but itself. Who can intelligently advocate such evil knowing full well that all throughout history, leftist socialism has killed millions and enslaved millions more, yet little dud says this is the way to go. What a total libtard!! |
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fbear writes: Thursday, June, 26, 2008 8:22 PM
Liberal racism?
Dottie,
Can you give examples of liberal racism? Or aren't liberals allowed to oppose African American conservatives? That sounds like quotas to me.
Arch says"
Here you go fbear. Try affirmative action! Liberal racism in all its glory!! Oh and by the way I believe it was the libtards who coined the term, old dead white guys and white European slave traders. Do you realize in the slave trade of old, that black men captured and kidnapped other black men and sold them into slavery and that black men to this day enslave other black men in the uncivilized parts of Africa? It is precisely you libtards who must bring out the color of a man's skin in determining Governmental treatment in politics. Yes bear you libtards are the dirty racists of the modern age and you cannot even realize your own evil! |
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You know how black Republicans have been treated. Did you never hear how they disparaged Condoleeza Rice, even referring to her as Aunt Jemimah? What about throwing oreos at Michael Steele? You know those were racist, but since the left did it, you can't bring yourself to admit it.
You also make the mistake of equating Conservatives with Republicans, and the two are not necessarily the same thing. Conservatives have been forced to vote for the lesser of two evils for some time because in order to compete, Republicans have to spend at the same rate as Dems unfortunately.
You are unable to admit that Civil Rights is not a liberal/Conservative thing because you have blinders on. Anyone who sees everything in such simplistic terms is not honest with herself.
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Dottie, you write:
"You know how black Republicans have been treated. Did you never hear how they disparaged Condoleeza Rice, even referring to her as Aunt Jemimah?"
Actually, I haven't heard of that. Can you cite some examples? Is it by anyone prominent? |
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It appears that the instance of calling Condoleezza Rice "Aunt Jemima" was a LOCAL talk show host in Madison, Wisconsin. Russ Feingold and the NAACP, among others, criticized the remarks.
You have to do better than that. |
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You are what we call a "goal post mover." Any time anyone gives you an example (frankly I think you are lying about the Michael Steele/oreo one because it was televised), you say...oh no, that isn't good enough.
The right is no more racist than the left. Why can you not admit that you have racists on your side? I actually talk to kids whose families are on welfare, they are as racist as can be, but they talk about how their moms support Obama because he is going to "help" them more.
You make yourself into someone of no credibility when you try to paint your side as all pure when it has shown itself to be anything but.
Why must you justify liberal racism? Give me some modern-day examples of Conservative racism. And don't try to say...opposing Affirmative Action. The left and right have very different opinions on that. We believe everybody is owed equal opportunity, but they have to do the work to get where they want to go and are more than capable of doing it. Your side believes that minorities and women cannot make it without help. I strongly disagree with that premise. Too many women and minorities have proven hard work and sacrifice get you where you want to go. |
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