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Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin seem to be setting the standard with $six-figure outfits. Can anyone participate in your event if they haven't spent at least $5,000 on hair and makeup? |
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sarah palin has driven women away from mccain.
before her pick he was up with women and now he is down.
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I can just imagine the attack line if these women appeared in Walmart attire. And do you actually believe Michelle's standards are any less when it comes to her appearance? Grow up.
And cl says, "sarah palin has driven women away from mccain." Not REAL women, just the hypocritical ones who feel threatened by her. |
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I love how the left shows their true colors when going after someone's looks and clothes. Again, confirming that this race is rooted in envy. Bloomingdales, Nieman's and Nordstrom - apparently the unholy trinity to the left. |
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Liberals are just jealous they don't have a woman on the ticket. Don't believe the polls they are bogus. McCain Palin will win in 13 days!! |
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Let's see. Michelle Obama wears 15 to 25 thousand dollar designer suits and Obama wears 3000 to 5000 dollar designer suits. The Obamas send their children to a private school that costs 14,000 dollars per year, per child. The Obamas order a 500 dollar lobster and cavier dinner at the Waldorf Astoria and the Obamas and their entourage have spent almost 500,000 dollars on food. I doubt they are eating at McDonalds. Obama will spend almost 700 million on this campaign which is MORE THAN BUSH AND KERRY COMBINED. Biden, for his part, absconded over 2 million dollars from his campaign and funneled it to his wife and son. And thousands is being spent on Joes BoTox.
Now to Sarah. Sarah shops at WalMart, Target and Penneys. Her children attend public schools. She and her husband hunt and fish to fill their freezer and they built their home themselves, without the help of a criminal like Resko. They have been without health insurance. Sarahs wardrobe was limited. I noticed myself that she had like three suits that she wore over and over. So the RNC went shopping for her. BIG DAMN DEAL. The Obamas are the elitests who live the most opulent lifestyle. If you want to vote for them, fine. But for the love of God, stop trying to make idiotic statements.
Also, could you please tell me just one....just one thing that Obama has ever accomplished. And don't give me the Hope and change crap. Just one concrete accomplishment that has nothing to do with running for president.
Waiting........
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"The Obamas order a 500 dollar lobster and cavier dinner at the Waldorf Astoria"
You people will believe anything, won't you? Little problem: Michelle was speaking in Gary Indiana that night and Barack was nowhere near the Waldorf. Here's a link: http://tinyurl.com/5nlopb
The rest of your information is on equally shaky ground. You'd better watch that "the Palins built their house themselves;" it appears that the same contractor who worked on Ted Steven's house remodeling was a "friend" of Todd's and got a lucrative contract to work on the Wasilla sports complex at the same time the Palins were building "with the help of a few friends." |
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You are wrong! The Obamas did stay in New York that night. They made several appearances. And the tip about their meal was told to the New York Post by more than one person there.
What about my question Bob? You didn't answer that.
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"You are wrong! The Obamas did stay in New York that night. ... And the tip about their meal was told to the New York Post by more than one person there."
And the New York Post has declared in print that the story isn't true. Are you stubborn, or just stupid? |
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People are smarter than mainstream media gives credit. We know THEY spin their news and spoon fed it to us - manipulate the news to their liking. The double standard here is disgusting and unprofessional. The blasting and hypocritical rants against experienced, intelligent, honest candidates; McCain Palin. Why they don't question the sleazy, dishonest Obama and his STRONG and BINDING ties to Bill Ayers, Rezko, Rev Wright among others isn't explored. Obama is scarey and anti America. |
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Go Sarah!
You are doing your JOB, you are ticking off all the insecure women of Liberal party!
Love it Sarah!
You go Girl! |
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Niemans' - it has a much better shoe department. So glad you are in Geneva. Please make it a permanent home. |
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Mccain/Palin Supporters!
GET OUT AND VOTE AND LET YOUR VOTE OVERRIDE THE ILLEGAL VOTES!
DON'T STAY HOME!
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I belong to a conservative woman's group here in the small town that I live in. The group consists of 67 members who meet every Thursday to talk election politics. Not once did I nor any member ever bring up what any of the candidates are wearing let alone the cost of their clothes. I belong to a Family of 12, conservatives, and we never talk or have talked about candidate attire.
What does it matter what brand of clothing or the cost? If they want to spend $1,000 on a pant suit or $100.00, who give's a sheet? People who are looking at substance and a record of getting something done to better the lives of Americans, the very people who hired these Government Officials into office in the first place, don't give a sheet about what you are blogging about. Now that you and the Joke of the liberal media bring up all of this, as if it is some important news that we need to know before voting, I'll add that I would like to see Obama wearing some thug gang wear with some bling hanging off his neck and his wife wearing some sleazy B-ach wear. And Palin, a pair of Jeans and a white T-shirt would do just fine. I think that those suggestions really fit the personalities, don't you? Bob? Oh, and by the way...you still did not answer the question posed by "boomerbabe." I suppose that you have not come up with anything because you know that NOTHING is the answer. |
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Don't you listen to anything?
Mrs Palin made it crystal clear that the clothing the RNC bought was NOT her property. The clothes will go to charity. You will recall that Hillary Clinton donated Bill's used underwear, even, all for the sake of a tax deduction.
Only somebody who cannot answer the question as to Oblahma's accomplishments could have his knickers in a twist over what others wear. |
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10-18-08 suit filed agaist obama. about birth. type in obama lawsuit birth, he did not fly back about toot. SUIT TARGETS OBAMA DOCUMENT. obama also member of NEW PARTY USA. http;//worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageID=78945 article in the NEW PARTY PAPER,PICTURE WITH NEW PARTY MEMBERS,AMERICA DESERVES TO KNOW THE TRUTH. |
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We're (my daughter and I ) are going to Colonial Williamsburg to recharge our patriotic batteries for a week and avoid the crapola that OVOMIT is going to spew.
My daughter is 7 and passed the 8th grade civics test with a 98.9% (a misspelled word got her)
We're going to the House of Burgess and say "if this be treason make the most of it"
And we're also going to ST. John's Church in Richmond to relive the "Give Me liberty or give me death"
This year is the most important election of my life time and I urge everyone to remember our founding fathers and the principals on which they stood.
See you in 10 days
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'Real women' supporting the GOP?
it's Like......
Chickens supporting 'the Colonel' Harland Sanders.
"Scareface" Todd, NOW THERE is a GOP women!
'College Republicans', across America, HIDE their association in SHAME.
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Typical Catty Libral Women on the bashing of Sara Palin's wardrobe....I bet you love and approve of the $6,000 taylor-made suits ol' Barack wears tho....who by the way forgot to pick up his wife and daughters (Toot's only great-grandchildren) when he "rushed" (4 days later) to Toot's bedside. There's a compassionate, caring, close knit family for ya!
Go Sarah Go! It's about time our voices are heard in Washington DC by someone who IS one of US....thanks John for have the insight and courage to choose Sarah. Once again, John has put Country First!
Oh, and isn't it interesting that at McCain/Palin rallies the chant is USA! USA! USA! While at Obama/Biden rallies the chant is OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! Hmmmmmm.....sounds like one is for country and one is for solely himself.....TYPICAL!
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I am glad to see you support something
Chickens supporting 'the Colonel' Harland Sanders |
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It's refreshing to read how an inconsequential rube like Bob M. get's his head handed to him by conservatives who won't stand for his trash-talking ilk.
I absolutely am impressed by Gov. Palin; her intelligence, ability to connect with people and express herself all are reasons. There are many others, but suffice to say that my brother who lives in Anchorage (for 28 years) also thinks she's the bee's knees and will be voting for her and McCain. A good conversion there!
Good luck on the call! It's people like yourselves that will help keep America strong... |
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wow 10-18-08 lawsuit against BARRY,BARACK,FRANK JR, WE ARE NOT REALLY SURE.http;//search.honoluluadvertiser.com/sp?aff=1100&skin100&keywords=ANDY+MARTIN+OBAMA=SUIT&x=9&y=14 did he have to go to hawaii to awner this, last picture with TOOT together was 25 years ago man they were close. I did not know BARRY,BARACK,FRANK JR, was a member of the NEW PARTY USA, it was in the new party paper, with picture with other members.http;//worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageID=78945 well take a look you decide. |
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http;/worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageID=78945
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I've decided to run for the VP spot in 2012.
I want those clothes, shoes, make-up and hair. (And the "First Dude" ain't too bad looking, either.) |
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Now, that says volumes about the Republican Party right now, doesn't it? Snoozefest? Lethargic ramblings? Tired bloviating?
And I wonder if his shrill, plastic harpy of a wife will be on board in her own 200K outfit? |
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I've got classes today and do not want to miss it.
Bob - His has NO achievements, other than being the man that the political machine has picked. I am still wondering exactly WHOM is running that machine.
Gov. Palin - The big news is that the stuff was PAID FOR, not a "donation write-off" and not begged from the designers/manufacturers for free.
My biggest worry, that all this focus on the Presidential run, we are missing all the Congressional races - ELECT MORE REPUBLICANS!!! and a few Senate races too.
If BO is elected, let's also hand him a Republican MAJORITY House and Senate, or at the very least, enough to fight what ever crap the Socialist want to do to us. |
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Hello:
I wanted to listen to the townhall live today..
can I listen to it here? on this website?
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Will you marry me? Great posts.
And dont hold your breath waiting on BOB M. to say anything of substance or debate the points. If it wasnt faxed to him by the DNC spin machine, he has a hard time deviating from the talking points... |
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@ 11 EST, or so, we will turn on the volume and you will be able to listen to the call right here... |
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Support "Scareface" Todd, NOW THERE is a GOP women!
(giving a FALSE POLICE STATEMENT IS A CRIME)
HA! HA! HA! |
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'Real women' supporting the GOP?
it's Like......
Chickens supporting 'the Colonel' Harland Sanders.
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"The Susan B. Anthony List" is ONLY a SMALL wingNUT group of LESS than 150K, against PRO-CHOICE!
"Million Woman Townhall", WHAT A JOKE!
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You Shery, you might want to try a few other stores and save a few bucks before the GOP destroys what's left of our economy.
Yep, Geneva is fun, but it ain't home. We are finishing up our first of three years, then it's back home to Galveston.
Sorry to disappoint you! |
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I am a Democrat that is voting for McCain/Palin! (and quite happy with my pick) AMERICANS need to get out and vote - COUNTRY FIRST! |
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There has been so much discussion over the birth certificate of Obama. Has he not been able to produce an original birth certificate instead of a birth registration. For example, if a mother gives birth in Mexico(I live in TX) she is able to cross the border, go to the hospital and register her child at the TX hospital. I guess that would make the child a US citizen correct? There are so many major questions with regard to Obama but if we can't get the minor ones answered like 1) his original birth certificate...not registration 2) did Obama ever thank Ayers for his political start-off and return the favor by inviting his to dinner at his home? 3)How to buy a home below market value..1.65 million less 4) and determining the real relationship between him and Tony Rezko. All I can say is where there's smoke there's fire. No one is talking except for Sean Hannity and Laura Ingram. I wish someone would really stick their neck out there and get the facts straight and put these questions to rest. |
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would you define Christian Lib..
The only women Sarah ran off were women like you.
The real women will stand by her all the way.
I think this fits you doesn't it ChristianLib?
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
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The GOP destroyed the economy? They serve the liberal cool-aid in Geneva as well? CLINTON/FRANK/DODD/OBAMA/ACORN are the political forces responsible for our government having to spend 750 million bucks to cover the mortgage fiasco...
We will all need Jimmy Carter to build us all a habitat for humanity house when the socialist sieze control... |
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Even Colonel Harland Sanders has more honor and
credibility than you do
You stated that you work with the DAV
Whats that the DEPARTMENT OF ACORN VOTER FRAUD
Isnt that where Obama gave 800,000 dolars for THEM TO COMMIT VOTER FRAUD REGISTRATIONS
But you need to go back to a site where real men are at and leave the REAL WOMEN alone
I notice that you love to pick on women are you sure you are a man. Maybe FEMINISM is your thing |
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20 yr DEM here. I am a PUMA and DEM for MAC/PALIN!!
Pls ignore the nasty misogynistic trollz, they did the same thing to we Hillary supporters in the primary.
they arent very bright :0)
the DEM base is going to go for MAC/PALIN!
We LOVE America and we know MAC and Sarah do too!!
MAC/PALIN 08
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Must be frustrating for you to watch those of us who have the ability to stimulate the economy.
I now understand why you can't relate. |
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Since there are so many liberal antagonists on this site with the intention of disrupting a conservative forum, conservatives who post here should leave en masse and flood a liberal site. Not that they would even allow a conservative to post more than once, if at all, after discovering their politics but hey, it is all about fairness and equal time isn't it? |
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I love the so called 'feminists' like members of NOW - - they like to claim they represent all women. The reason they hate Sara Palin is that they know they don't.
There is also always a bit of self-loathing involved, which explains why they are so outraged by her CHOICE to have a Downs syndrome baby and love and care for him. As the article in the National Review said recently ... it is "hyper sensitivity, and angry attacks to compensate for the emotional vulnerability this issue surfaces.... a relationship to the collective grief, shame, and guilt from personal involvement in the abortion of an unborn child.
Read the entire article at Nationalreview.com entitled "The Palin Trig-ger Looking behind the hostility by Kevin Burke. It says what I've always known to be true |
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How is it that left can talk nonstop about the money that Sarah Palin did not spend on her clothes and not even ask one question about Obama's influences in his life? Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Odinga, Farrakhan? How? |
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WOOO-HOOO!!!! Go McCain/Palin
Thanks to ALL that have put this together!!!
God bless you & this GREAT COUNTRY!
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It is not about the clothes it is about who is wearing them.
Sarah is a Military Mom who has spent her adult life serving her country.
She has been a Mayor and a Governor.
She has the highest approval rating of any U.S. Governor.
She chose life for her special needs child.
She supports her daughter's in taking responsibilty for the life she created.
Cindy McCain spends her time and money helping those less fortunate in third world countries.
She also walks the walk and adopted a black child from Bangledesh.
Barack Obama's brother and relatives live in huts and he wants to spread our wealth around while not helping his own family.
Michelle Obama has spent her adult life running her country down and her husband Barack Obama has never served in the Military.
He chose instead to go to an America hating church and pal around with terrorists who stomp on our flag and who bombed our country and do not regret it.
Barack Obama chose the death penalty for newborns
who survive abotion and claims thinking about when life begins is "above his paygrade"
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I see you are proud of your new group below
"Chickens supporting 'the Colonel' Harland Sanders" Obama supporters new theme!
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Isnt that what Obanmas Pator gave them, you know
THE CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST |
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Sarah is more qualified to be VP, than Obama who was born in KENYA with less than 2 years working in the Senate.
Sarah is a fresh face, a woman who is proud to be a woman, who has vast experience as Mayor and Govenor.
America is smarter than Obama thinks - we want President that does NOT tax us, punish us for making a living!
People have to consider if Candidate Obama can't handle an honest question from Joe the Plumber - who sent his camp to smear him, use Govt computers to probe his background, WHAT would President Obama would do to people asking him a question and get a REAL ANSWER? |
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FOR THE WAO-MEN, AND THE CHILDREN, I LOVE'M:(empire march... tan tan tarantantarraran tan tan tararan...): bho's maincampaingship to madein u$$r "liders&networks (expl:acorn, fannie, freddy...): we amazingly are no longer invi$ible... you have being trained as logistics, "live, sleep, plant, spread the acorn$"...
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I never was intererested in politic until Sarah Palin came along. Now I am so inspired by her. I am hurt by all those biased negative comment about Sarah, especially most of them coming from women. If women support women, we can do anything. |
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You ARE a REPUBLICAN!!
Real women' supporting the GOP?
it's Like......
Chickens supporting 'the Colonel' Harland Sanders.
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As a former Clinton supporter I am proud to say I now support McCain/Palin- 08. The reason is primarily because the Democratic Party has changed so much since the start of the primary season in 2007 that they no longer represent my ideas/ideals as a "US" citizen. Admittedly, the Republican Party does not represent all of them either but, I can honestly say Senator McCain or Sarah Palin do not scare me and Obama does. So, for now and the foreseeable future, I will be re-registering as an Independent and voting Republican. |
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I cannot believe with Obamas associtions we the people would vote him in as OUR PRESIDENT.It would be a different story if he was just senator ,but this man for president.Spreading the wealth will surely keep people
surpressed they will be stuck on welfare ,i do not undertand why especially minorities would vote for a man that wants to keep them on welfare so the government can control them ..Iwould say
NO THANKS BARACK ,because you are holding minorities down controling them with more government ,hes promising to keep them controlled,no making their own decisions because their welfare check dictates their life it controls their houseing ,how they raise their children etc.STAND UP MINORITIES AND SAY NO THANKS WE'LL RUN OUR OWN LIVES THANK YOU.
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Bob Munck writes: Wednesday, October, 22, 2008 11:40 AM
What's the Dress Code?
Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin seem to be setting the standard with $six-figure outfits. Can anyone participate in your event if they haven't spent at least $5,000 on hair and makeup?
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Gee, interested in Women's clothing and not the fact that Biden tells the World obama is inexperienced, will be 'tested' and gee he hasn't passed any test yet (Georgia for example)?
Will institute a draft? Raise your taxes? Distribute your wealth? Has never done anything for anyone in his life?
You are a fool!!!! |
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creativity bloggers, the battlescene: starwarsmcainfleets fighting,
galacticapalin just popin,
TALK TO THE YOUNG, call your wizards,
aim for the trolls, kill the trolls...
I suggest fire at them, use "copiedtheirown statements" on Iraq, ga$congre$$, megaglobalbubble$candal$ of libland "lord$ of the ring$", u$$r: $auron.
(methalic tin tin tin) OH!Mama (codename)'s voluntary armies's just another "dadehomelessfarcland$ adhonorem e-strategist's suggested blog of the morning anti-drivebymedia propaganda", to her Presidential candidate Mcain & allied fleets:
You heard the chief, we don't run from history, we make history...
so, American men's best personal gennie kind of women, gays,lesbs,?...
Uncle sam needs you, on civilian too, acorn is an example of how pro are they organized.
join the anti-assymetric local war, help the army
denounce, the weapon they fear, and disturb them...
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A single question: what kind of "world you think active heterosexsuals (me, most of you, like 50%), gays or lesbs
(25-25%each) would live on bho's govs and orgs?, what happen to gays on for expl: on iran?, to women under taliban?, blacks on castro prisions like Bisett?, what say you, bho supporter?
(me) today's supreme e-ops comm:
order of the day: seek and destroy the enemy, airwavewars, e-battlefortheideas against $ociali$m, actual liberal, enemies of the USA, dicatorships, naivechaveses or clean&articulatedemagogs (accepted by cuba, eyers, anamontes, castro-govagents, sandinists, syria, iran...)...
a suggested "entertainment aimings":
(empire march... tan tan tarantantarraran tan tan tararan...): bho's maincampaingship to madeinu$$r "liders&networks (expl:acorn, fannie, freddy...): we amazingly are no longer invi$ible... you have being trained as logistics, "live, sleep, plant, spread the acorn$"...
I suggest fire them, use "copytheirown statements on Iraq, ga$congr$$, megaglobalbubble$candal$ of libland "lord$ of the ring$", u$$r: $auron.
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The Dems and majority of main stream media are so threatened by Gov. Palin because she speaks (and connects) to people who deal in common sense and logic rather than the left's TORTURED SPIN of "What the American people want". They will stop at nothing to try to destroy her.
Their plans for creating employment = Let's set up a government program for a Community Organization of Wardrobe Police - the newest subsidiary of ACORN. That should fix any Rebulican women who dare to dress well and look good - of course, we can't have any of that! |
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YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT BARACKS ACCOMPLISHMENTS! What a surprise.
How about you christian lib ? Lone? Any of you libs?
Name just one accomplishment that makes Obama qualified to be the president.
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Christianlib it is interesting that you make that comment. Are you a man or a woman? Here's a news flash I am gay and I am supporting the McCain/Palin ticket. I am a registered Ind. and I do not represent the stereotypical gay woman because of my looks, because I am a parent, and because of my common sense approach on politics. During the VP debate Biden made it very clear to the gay community that both he and Obama define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Growing up as a Catholic, marriage is a sacrament. I am clear on that and to change the church's view is ludicrous. Here is the reality about politics that you may have not even consider, there is not party or politician who will have the exact same views or beliefs that you have. Even though the McCain/Palin ticket may not have my views on gay unions which to me is more of a legal contractual issue and not being able to file jointly ones taxes is a federal issue. However, as a small business owner and having a common sense approach to economics 101 raising taxes, and Obama's rhetoric on how 95% of the people will not have their taxes raised sounds great to the uninformed, but is not a reality especially that he wants to create more government programs. My advise to you is don't be so partisan and completely aligned with your party. Remember this Dem. majority congress has less of an approval rating than Bush, they looked the other way and were offended by the Fannie & Freddy investigation in 04. Use your common sense, socialism does not work look at Cuba and what is going on in Venezuela. You're just a citizen not and not part of the political elite who will be favored. One more thing voting Republican does not make you a racist! |
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I do not believe that Sarah Palin is driving women away from voting for McCain. No matter what the polls say, I can tell you from my own experience the ladies I know are really excited about voting for a McCain/Palin ticket. My sister lives in Ct. and she is a registered Indepedant who normally votes Democrat. She called me after hearing Gov. Palin speak at the RNC and she was excited!! She told me that her and her husband are voting for McCain/Palin. She also told me that most of her friends, who normally vote Democrat, are voting Republican this time. :0)
Thanks for this Town Hall forum, it's great!! :0) It is also wonderful hearing from Laura Bush!! :0) I love you Laura, you and President Bush are great!! :0) |
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Susan B. Anthony List - - a wingnut group??? Opposed to Pro-choice....???!!! I've got historical news for "Lone" .... the REAL feminists of this country, that is Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were vehemently OPPOSED to abortion. They did not believe that women's rights were in any way defined as the right to terminate a pregnancy.
I grew up in Seneca Falls NY .... look that up in the history books if you don't know why that is significant...along with the true beliefs of the women involved...because you won't hear that from Gloria Steinem or Planned Parenthood. |
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I hope some of you read the articles I posted beforehand. Woman from both sides of the isle need to take a good hard look at sara palin again. Woman are kidding themselves if they say she does not represent woman. This is a historic election. Woman for the first time can break the glass ceiling. Doesn't matter if you are a dem or repub. Sara is a decent woman, she is a mother like many of you are or have. She is a wife, she is a leader. Woman for once need to stand together why is that so difficult. Sara is a good choice, she actually even has more experience then B.O. So she doesn't believe in abortion so what that is her personal choice. Roe/wade will not be overturned that is nothing but a scare tactic from the left. Woman wake up. |
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Boomerbabe,
I'm still waiting for somebody to answer that question too!! |
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Since civilization began and governments were formed politicians have lied.
Government CANNOT BE TRUSTED.
Democrats lie.
Republicans lie.
Read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Stop listening to people that lie to you.
You say "My elected official doesn't lie!".
Have they said that they would get something done and then it did not happen?
They LIED and you bought the excuse.
This election please try to see past yourself and don't vote for any incumbent, including for President. Both candidates are incumbents.
Elect a new batch of politicians.
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Right on the money in every aspect. These people on both sides who love to put Sarah down are just #1. showing their ignorance,
#2. showing their envious, an petty nature, and #3. showing how unpatriotic and unamerican they really are by daring to claim that the Obama team is better for this country in ANY way, shape or form.
Oh, and as far as waitng for them to tell you anything Obama has ever done in his career, or any real change he has planned.....I hope you can hold your breath for a long, long time because that ain't ever coming. He never had a plan, only 'a line' and he has never 'done' anything so they can't answer that one either. Their lack of character and ability to see this thing with any clarity is very unfortunate for the future of this country. |
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for the Pro-Choice, Freedom of Choice Act advocates:
1. Obama voted four times in the Illinois Senate against a bill to provide care and protection for babies who are born alive after abortions.
2. Obama co-sponsored the "Freedom of Choice Act" a bill that would make partial-birth legal again and force taxpayers to pay for abortions. Barack Hussein Obama said: "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act."
3. Obama voted to block a bill to require an abortionist to notify a parent before performing an abortion on a minor girl from another state.
War on the Unborn: 49,523,945+ abortions since abortion was "legalized" on January 22, 1973.
Revolutionary War: 4,435 dead
Civil War: 558,052 dead
World War I: 116,516 dead
World War II: 405,399 dead
Korean War: 36,574 dead
Vietnam War: 58,209 dead
Iraq War: 4,179 dead
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To put the world right in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must first put the family in order; to put the family in order, we must first cultivate our personal life; we must first set our hearts right. -Confucious
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
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Sexual intercourse is for the propagation of the spicies. It is a pro-creative act. If you do not wish to become pregnant then keep your legs crossed. The CHOICE is before not after. It is not a God-given right to kill a child for self-gain or for pleasure. Abortion hurts women psychologically, emotionally and physically. It's a proven fact. It also hurts them spiritually. My mother told me the story of a great aunt that had had five abortions (at a time they were illegal). That woman, on her death-bed saw the faces of all those children. Hopefully, she repented and asked God's forgiveness.---Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air--she's a true feminist-she embraces life with courage--even in it struggles. She is a model of true feminity and what a woman can really accomplish. These feminists that spew so much hatred towards her are proof that because of their stance on abortion, are as I mentioned above, pshychologically, emotionally and physically, and spiritually damaged. If any of them are willing, I would recommend Rachel's Vineyard, a group dedicated to women who suffer from post-abortion traumas.--The feminist movement started with Elizabeth Stanton and Susan B. Anthony--both who were strongly against abortion. |
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My husband is 100% VA PTSD disabled VIETNAM VET! I PERSONALLY am VERY involved in assisting Veterans & military family members with their benefits. I have over 75 Vets/families under my belt of accomplishments in that area.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?????
Since President Bush came into office ... there has been an INCREDIBLE improvement on VA clinics, hospitals, benefits and care.
John McCain voting record -- IF YOU REALLY ARE HONEST -- will PROVE the ONLY NO votes he has EVER voted for were to FIGHT PORK and AMMENDMENTS by self-serving congressmembers.
HE DID NOT vote AGAINST THE VETERANS! Your attempt to SPIN & flat out LIE about it is PROOF of your PARTISON BLINDNESS!
This proud VETERANS WIFE stands up for the hard working VA workers and elected officials that REALLY DO CARE about our LOVED ONES!
WAKE UP and GET A CLUE!
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laura writes: Saturday, October, 25, 2008 11:56 AM
sara
"I hope some of you read the articles I posted beforehand. Woman from both sides of the isle need to take a good hard look at sara palin again. Woman are kidding themselves if they say she does not represent woman. This is a historic election. Woman for the first time can break the glass ceiling. Doesn't matter if you are a dem or repub. Sara is a decent woman, she is a mother like many of you are or have. She is a wife, she is a leader. Woman for once need to stand together why is that so difficult. Sara is a good choice, she actually even has more experience then B.O. So she doesn't believe in abortion so what that is her personal choice. Roe/wade will not be overturned that is nothing but a scare tactic from the left. Woman wake up."
I totally agree with your statement. My only question is, where are all these self proclaim feminist that professes to stand for the womens' rights?
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I am so glad I have tuned in this morning to this townhall meeting. I haven't missed any of it. I have had questions answered that were on my mind for a while like the Fairness Doctrine, and the real truth about what it means, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Pelosi, and Reid, not to mention supreme court justices. I didn't think I would have the time to totally commit, but it is too interesting and educational to leave. Thank you wonderful panel. |
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What is the dress code? And how does that relate to the effects of each candidates tax policy, national security policy, and etc.. I don't know how you can honestly think your lack of substance offers any argument for or against any candidate. Let's talk policy. |
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I have worked for ALL VA causes and YES,
CARE HAS IMPROVED in VA clinics and hospitals.
But, as I said, people like McGOO have spent his YEARS WORKING AGAINST VETERANS.
He has never SPONSORED or COED, a SINGLE PIECE of VIETNAM ERA legislation.
John worked hard to SEAL ALL POW/MIA FAMILIES RECORDS as 'secret', to hide his past.
He has LOW RATINGS by ALL VETERAN GROUPS, those that keep tabs.
Those are the facts.
visit:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
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Just cross-reference John's downing date (October 26, 1967) with his COMMIE BROADCASTS(November 09.1967). BOTH VERIFIED DATES.
They have the OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT DECLASSIFIED RECORDS, obtained with the Freedom of Information Act in 1991, before John worked so hard to SEAL ALL POW/MIA FAMILIES RECORDS as 'secret', to hide his past.
Transcripts of 5 of the approximately 20 interviews McCain gave his commie pals.
He was a COMMIE COLLABORATOR WITHIN DAYS broadcasting ANTI-AMERICAN SPEW over CUBA.
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FROM TWO FORMER GOP CONGRESSMEN TO U.S. COMBAT FORCES WORLDWIDE:
MCCAIN IS UNFIT TO SERVE AS YOUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF
Former Congressmen Warn Troops: As Senator He Abandoned American POWs Trapped in Indochina; as President He'll Abandon You.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/aug08/mccain_unfit.htm
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"Elizbeth Stanton and Susan B. Anthony equated abortion with slavery as barbaric practices. Stanton was quoted as saying: 'When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you"--Jeremiah 1:5 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SMILE--YOUR MAMA CHOSE LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!- |
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Seadog what are you talking about?
What do my pet goat and AL gore have to do with today's discussion?
Perhaps we have discussed issues before?
I am an Independent and I did support Gore.
I actually started this election cycle supporting Obama.
BUT
I choose who to vote for based on the individual and on the issues NOT by party affiliation.
It is one thing to disagree on issues, what character traits are needed and even on wardrobe choices
BUT
The fact that the Obama's hate America is evident in everything they do from their choice of church, to their writings, to their choice of associations etc.
I could go on but this thread is about Sarah.
Her whole life is a shining example of what it means to be an American woman.
The Pro-choice folk need to understand her choice was life for her special needs child.
Bristol chose life and Sarah supports her.
If you really are pro -"choice' then support her choices.
I choose McCain-Palin because they are the best choice for America.
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Come add me to your team sarah page!
http://www.teamsarah.org/profile/myebuzzdotcom
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Not stimulating the economy? Allow me to hold my sides while I roll on the floor! Why do you thin we are in Switzerland? To count the cuckoo clocks? I pay taxes to TWO countries -- do you?
I don't think you're quite ready to try scarcasm -- it's an adult game.
And to dose: who has been in complete, total charge for six of the past eight years? Oh, that's right: the GOP.
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Their are a whole lot more of us than the MSM realizes. I have a friend who is going to vote for a Republican for president for the first time in her life, as is her sister. They are 56 and 65 years old. Sarah is the reason. I know of many, many women and men voting for McCain because Palin is on the ticket.
The left fears Palin because she has it all and didn't have to abort her babies to have it all. She even, ( GASP ), knowingly gave birth to a down Syndrome child. How dare she! And she has, at the age of 44, accomplished great things.
The days of NOW and Gloria Steinam are long gone.......and good riddance. The young women of today, like my daughter who is 30, are more pro life than the over 50 crowd. Why? Technology. Sonograms and other imaging techniques are making it more difficult to portray a fetus as just a bit of tissue to be flushed away. And the realization that partial birth abortion and allowing babies who survive abortion to die is infanticide. Right now I know of two young women doing everything they can to give birth to babies that may not be "perfect."
Regardless of the economy or world affairs, we must do all we can to promote a culture of life. If we do not, we will become little more than a speck of dust in the ash heap of history. God Help Us!
Support Sarah and get as many of your friends and relatives to support her also. Let's put the liberal anti life agenda of liberals to rest once and for all.
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Considering Obama's stance on abortion and infanticide--how long before he decides that the elderly, the infirm, and the special needs people are expendible, too? |
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Jacqueline I agree with you and it is those policies that Americans must be concerned about. Thank you for your comments. I too have taken time to reseach and develop my choice for this election based on policy issue and general direction I feel the candidates will take us. I feel that those who do not focus on policy but rather on personal attacks really cheat themselves. Unfortunately they may cheat the rest of us as well. |
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Their are a whole lot more of us than the MSM realizes. I have a friend who is going to vote for a Republican for president for the first time in her life, as is her sister. They are 56 and 65 years old. Sarah is the reason. I know of many, many women and men voting for McCain because Palin is on the ticket.
The left fears Palin because she has it all and didn't have to abort her babies to have it all. She even, ( GASP ), knowingly gave birth to a down Syndrome child. How dare she! And she has, at the age of 44, accomplished great things.
The days of NOW and Gloria Steinam are long gone.......and good riddance. The young women of today, like my daughter who is 30, are more pro life than the over 50 crowd. Why? Technology. Sonograms and other imaging techniques are making it more difficult to portray a fetus as just a bit of tissue to be flushed away. And the realization that partial birth abortion and allowing babies who survive abortion to die is infanticide. Right now I know of two young women doing everything they can to give birth to babies that may not be "perfect."
Regardless of the economy or world affairs, we must do all we can to promote a culture of life. If we do not, we will become little more than a speck of dust in the ash heap of history. God Help Us!
Support Sarah and get as many of your friends and relatives to support her also. Let's put the anti life agenda of liberals to rest once and for all.
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Think about it, Obama has millions and millions of dollars to pour into his campaign, he draws thousands and thousands of people to his rallys, he has the support from well known politicians, Hollywood, and the news media who use Jr. High tactics to spread vivious rumors to discredit the McCain/Palin ticket all the while covering up Obama's shady past.... what's wrong with this picture?
Depends on what side you support since most polls show just a couple of points that seperate them...
Don't forget about the conservatives who by nature are not very vocal and I much doubt that these polls include them and there are millions out there ready to vote!!!
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(Got carried away with my dislike for McGOO.)
Right NOW, what have I DONE?
1) Help those REGISTER at VA Centers.
2) Help transport people to LOUIS STOKES, WADE PARK, VA Hospital.
3) Help vets with annual means test completion for eligibility levels.
That has been the last COUPLE MONTHS.
But,
I have worked for the cause, as I said, for 30 years, locally and federally.
That which I am the most proud, I've been to DC many times for veteran issues including those of the DAV, POW, and MIA.
I do wish your husband the BEST. |
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Producing more energy here in America is very important to me and our friends. We NEVER want to be held hostage by Mid-Eastern OPEC. We need our own energy produced by Americans. Palin and McCain are the only ones with a credible plan for Energy Independence |
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Is anyone thinking that Sen. Obama is going to acquire all the knowledge about our nuclear codes, first strike plans, covert operations, (present, future and past), names of operatives and names of cooperating foreign officials?
Sen. Obama is going to learn what Israel has in the way of 'on the ground assets' in Syria, Lebanon, Saudia, Iran! He's going to learn what friendly governments we spy on and how we do it.
Sen. Obama is going to learn everything about our satellite defenses and reconnaissance abilities.
Sen Obama is going to know where and how our nuclear submarine fleet is positioned and travels at any time!
He's going to learn about how much fossil fuel we can develop. How much uranium we have. Every natural asset and exploitable commodity is going to be available to him in binders and briefings.
He's going to learn about every R&D at National Laboratories, prospective and planned.
Is anyone thinking that with this information he can wreck havoc upon a Nation that he has decried in his own words and books?
If he so chooses, he can serve a term, pass information to rogues during or after the term and never be tagged for it.
Would you put Rev. Wright in charge of the above?
How can anyone justify giving trust to one such as Barack Obama in the areas of National Security?
Like the cult of seppuku, we might as well just go out, write haiku and slit our stomachs now.
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What are Republicans doing to counteract ACORN?
How can we know voting is fair in America?
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GOOGLING means NOTHING -- there are sites everywhere with BOGUS/FRAUD information.
My husband & I have our own personal reason why we did NOT vote McCain in the primaries. He supported JOHN FRAUD KERRY when those, including my husband that witnessed JFraud at the Wall in DC during his 1st visit in 1993 taking credit and praise for the MEDAL OF HONOR after the 3 Veterans talking to him had confused him with the REAL KERREY (Bob Kerrey is the REAL MOH hero... NOT JOHN FRAUD KERRY). The Vets even asked why he didn't wear his ribbon and his answer was disgustingly, "I left it on my dresser at home."
continued, Lone, on my blog. You got me fired up. lolol
http://www.teamsarah.org/profiles/blog/show?id=2330231%3ABl ogPost%3A114250 |
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but i work with 16 women at my job for 40 hours a week. who wants to listen to 1 million of them talking at the same time? |
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I've been listening to The Million Woman Townhall since 11 am...... it is wonderfully informative and gives me some hope |
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(btw--debate is good :D lolol)
HOWEVER, we can twist/spin/take out of context ... anyone's vote, opinion, statements, life history &/or experiences and install our own views, take from sites, books, etc and come to any conclusion one seeks.
While we were part of "aintfondakerry" campaign, I was guilty of spreading a letter that "appeared" to be factual about Jane Fonda, stating she took small notes from POW's while in Vietnam and handed them to the enemy. When I handed a copy of it to Capt Bailey, he promptly informed me it was BOGUS and a HOAX which embarrased the whapoozies out of me. Since then, I've found that even Snopes and FactCheck aren't enough to lean on, as it now appears they are in the tank with Obama ... so it now takes HOURS to prove/disprove every subject I follow.
Hope you're doing the same. I'll take your input for consideration & research this weekend, but I have read all of McCains votes regarding Veterans/Military on the House/Senate.gov sites. My conclusions came from that & I'm glad he has taken a strong stand against PORK and unnecessary spending. NO WAY, though, can I vote OBAMA! He stands for whichever the politcal poll winds are blowing in order to better his political career. PERIOD - IMHO!
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In reading some of the comments the TownHall Meeting is having a tremendous impact, its pretty obvious when we are even getting bitter liberals commenting. Yeah!!! it working! |
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DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM=CULTURE OF DEATH +++++++++++ REPUBLICAN PLATFORM=CULTURE OF LIFE ++++++++++++ AMERICA DEFEND LIFE---JOHN PAUL II |
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Jerseyvet 7:54 AM
"Bob Munck sounds like a gay hairdresser."
Nope, straight computer systems architect, retired. Though given why you guys pay hairdressers...
"It's only commonsense to display your candidates in the best way possible."
It's also common sense not to go completely overboard and, if you do, not to let the public find out about it. Given the big deal the wingnuts made of Edward's $400 haircut, spending EIGHT-TWO TIMES AS MUCH for a couple of haircuts and some makeup seems to be particularly stupid. Of course, it's orders of magnitude less stupid than nominating Palin for VP. |
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to worship as the people who followed moses. When he didn't come down off the mountain soon enough they collectd all the gold amongst themselves and erected a golden calf to worship. Today's braiwashed heathens are basically doing the same thing, because they're too dumb to understand that we need to stand behind the country, NOT AN IDOL; especially one who has one agenda in mind, and that is HIS own advancement and the advancement of all those here and abroad who wish to control us like a herd of sheep. |
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even a consideration. Mc Cain was right to name Palin as hi srunning mate because she blows Obama away in every category, and I would vote for Daffy Duck before I would vot for Obama.
BUT the reason for this post is to ask one simple compound question:
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Which issues do you seriously and honestly believe Obama has a better understanding of and stance, on when compared to where Mc Cain stands on the same ones?
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I don't think I'll get any responses because I believe you Obama supporters just need an Idol to worship and are too stupid to even have a clue of what he is about, or the brain capacity to realize that what he wants to do TO you and not FOR you are two different things.
I just can't help wonder how anyone can vote for someone whom they know absolutely nothing about, except of bad assoications and agendas of which you choose to ignore. |
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Sarahs enemies owe her an apology for making her out to be an extravagant clothes horse! They didn't do their homework and as usual jumped to wrong conclusions! The Palins are quite thrifty and bargain shoppers. It has been confirmed that some of her Governors etc., wardrobe came from a consignment store! To wear classy clothes and be neat in her travels and duties befitting a VP, she was given what was necessary. After the race she plans to auction them off for charities and/or return whats left over. Pathetic, that she even has to defend against such unwarranted false assumptions, bias and nonsense! Wonder what Michelle and Hillary spend? We will never know because they will never tell! For sure, the prejudiced, unfair media will not find out! Go Lady Sarah |
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Got nothin' else, huh?
We do not care how much the RNC spent on Sarah's wardrobe, hair or makeup. Do you care how much (I've heard $500,000) it cost to cosmetically "re-vamp" the Obama campaign airplane? Nope, neither do I. Just sayin'.
You just can't stand it that conservatives, both men and women, are truly excited about the McCain/Palin ticket. |
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spent on redecorating the cockpit of Obama's stupid airplane? You know, the one he TOOK THE AMERICAN FLAG OFF OF TO PUT HIS OWN LOG ON???????
For anyone to disregard that flagrant act of wasting money to help salve Obama's ego and then diss Palin for what the RNC had to her do as far as having clothing to campaing in and which she will be donating, returning, or auctioning off later is a prime example of the ingnorant, people who reside in the world of a liberal. |
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"Location?
Where are you people meeting? Neiman's? Saks? Bergdorff?"
...and then we're going to go have lunch and a couple of beers and a few laughs (we still know how to enjoy the simpler pleasures of life including watching the antics of the Trolls from DKos, et al)) at Katie's Cafe and Joe "duct tape" Biden won't answer his cell phone to give us directions. |
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"It's also common sense not to go completely overboard and, if you do, not to let the public find out about it."
Thank you for providing the insight into how Barack Hussein Obama is running his campaign: Tell the public nothing, nothing, about yourself. Hide. Become transparent. Obfuscate. Speak in platitudes that are meaningless.
Fortunately, most of us here have known that about Barack Hussein Obama since he began his divine ascent some two years ago. We are patient and trust that you, too, will eventually see the fraud Barack Hussein Obama is perpetrating on the American public.
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PAUL HARVEY'S PRAYER FOR OUR NATION
'Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values. We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery. We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare. We have killed our unborn and called it choice. We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable. We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self esteem. We have abused power and called it politics. We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression. We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment. Search us, Oh God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Amen!' |
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I have been asking everyone, everywhere this question!!!
I can see that John McCain is going to try to blame Sarah Palin for his messy campaign going down in flames! Shame on him! I can't wait to vote for her in 2012! I just wish she had been the front runner! If he had given her more of an opportunity to just be Sarah, she would have run his campaign to victory!!!
She is the one that brought true conservative values into this election! She is the one that energized people like me to get out and volunteer! So why is John McCain blaming her for HIS failures??? |
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"We do not care how much the RNC spent on Sarah's wardrobe, hair or makeup."
Nor did we care how much Edwards spent on a haircut. But boy, you guys sure did! |
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"Nor did we care how much Edwards spent on a haircut. But boy, you guys sure did!"
Permit me to let you in on a little secret that is often wasted on the denser classes: we didn't care about Edward's haircuts either but it certainly got the democrat's shorts in a tight little maximum torqued wedgie. Tee hee. It's too bad that you had to wait this long to laugh along with us.
It is true, we don't care about anyone's wardrobe, except for the Robe which Barack Hussein Obama thinks he is wearing. Your candidate is suffering from delusions of grandeur. Come and join us and vote for McCain/Palin 2008. It will be the best thing you have ever done for yourself and the United States. |
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I also pay taxes in two countries, and it's the one that is most like Obama's vision that is taxing us the most. They also like to put the taxation screws to corporations/businesses so we get to pay for all of those taxes too, in the form of increased prices for goods/food/gas.
I have no idea what you are talking about, you are getting taxed more in Switerland that you would be here in the U.S. and you pay more to buy food/goods.
Can you explain why you want to pay those taxes here as well?
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I never gave a rat's behind what any politician pays for a haircut.
What I do care about is that people have money to spend as they see fit, whether it's haircuts, food, charitable donations...whatever they choose. Personally, I don't pay for haircuts at all--my teenage daughter has a knack for it. But I enjoy splurging on other things.
But under an Obama administration, I doubt few of us will enjoy much extra disposable income to splurge on anything, or support our favorite charities. |
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"Tee hee. It's too bad that you had to wait this long to laugh along with us."
Yeah, but that was one of several candidates in a primary half a year before the first vote, spending $400. This is your only candidate, twelve days before the general election, spending $33,000 for makeup and $150,000 for clothes. It's coming on top of a whole bunch of other stupid mistakes and excesses, at a time when people are thinking about and worrying about money.
It's just another example of McCain's incompetence, and for some number of voters will be that proverbial final straw. |
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"I doubt few of us will enjoy much extra disposable income to splurge on anything, or support our favorite charities."
Then you should be angry about the $6 trillion debt that George W. Bush has run up. In addition to whatever taxes you've paid in the last eight years, Bush has added $20,000 to the money you owe. Another $20,000 to that of your teenage daughter, and the same for every other member of your family. Somebody has to pay it: you, your daughter, your possibly yet-unrealized grandchildren, somebody.
You've been "enjoying your extra disposable income" because Bush has been charging to that big federal credit card, in YOUR name. Suppose he'd been honest with you about it, and let you pay it off as you went along, every month. Sure, you'd have had maybe $170 less each month, but you wouldn't now be looking at that huge balance due on your statement.
Which is better, paying as you go or running up the big debt? |
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I hope you can join us in celebration on November 5th when Obama is the president-elect and we send that inept moose hunter back to Alaska. Maybe next time she can run on the AIP ticket. |
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Obama revamped his airplane......
It's much worse than that.....
He removed the American flag from the tail of the aircraft so he could put his own symbol there....
"The One" is pretty full of himself.... |
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No? Try reading some Thomas Sowell sometime. I bought two of his books about 10 months ago. He is brilliant. |
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You are right that "The One" is full of himself. But I think I read somewhere that the American flag on his plane was a company emblem and had to be removed. Not sure if this is true, but either way, in my opinion, Obama should be able to decorate his plane as he pleases.
If he thinks that fancy emblems will win him the presidency, so be it. If he's right, that is a very sad thing. |
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Blacks, voting along racial lines, will give Obama 98%+ of their vote.......
Even worse.....these young, dumb whites, are voting for Obama because they are not aware this is a PRESIDENTIAL election. These "Rocket Scientists" think they are voting for the "Next American Idol".
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i give 10% of my pretax income to my church .whether i make 10$or 100,000$ it is not splurging ! libs mistake compulsion (raising taxes for the mythical common good) with compassion. |
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I agree with you completely. When I used the word "splurging", I only meant that when it comes to spending the (small) disposable portion of my income, I'd rather it went to charity than to things like haircuts or fancy clothes.
I don't make much money, but enough to provide for my kids and still have a little left over to give to the charity of my choice. People like Bob Munck would prefer that the government took that extra, and give it out willy-nilly.
But my main point is that it doesn't seem right to judge anyone on how they spend that portion of their income which is "disposable". Now, don't get me started on welfare recipients who have big screen TV's. |
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"People like Bob Munck would prefer that the government took that extra, and give it out willy-nilly."
No, I'm supporting Obama because, among other things, he's going to reduce the taxes that YOU pay. And even though he's pledged to raise MY taxes. So he's sharing some of my wealth with you. Feel free to give it to charity, with my blessings. |
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Look at Obama's voting records in the Illinois State Senate. There aren't many records in the US Senate. Care to give me some?
Bob, you're right. Obama might reduce MY taxes. Guess what--I don't need a tax break! But what he's promised to do is raise taxes on corporations. One I work for! Will I still have a job? He's also said he'll raise taxes on small businesses making $250,000 or more. That includes many employers in this great nation of ours, including some I know who feel they may need to cut payroll.
And P.S. I will continue to always give a portion of my income to charity, with or without your blessings.
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"what he's promised to do is raise taxes on corporations."
In fact, I don't believe that he has. He has proposed to close corporate tax loopholes, such as moving their profits (and jobs) overseas, special tax breaks for particular industries, and CEO pay loopholes. If your company isn't hiding its profits in the Caymans, you're probably ok. Obama is NOT proposing to change the corporate tax rate.
"He's also said he'll raise taxes on small businesses making $250,000 or more."
No he hasn't. He plans to raise taxes on business owners who take more than $250,000 in profits out of their company for their own use. If a company is making $500K in profits and the owner keeps it all, he'll pay more taxes. If he pays himself "only" $250K and invests the rest in new equipment, new employees, etc, his taxes won't change. In fact, Obama plans to give that company a tax break for creating new jobs.
"including some I know who feel they may need to cut payroll."
If they need to cut payroll, it's because they want to take MORE profit out of the company for themselves than they had before. They're blaming him for their greed.
You don't seem to know much about what Obama is actually proposing. Where are you getting all this bad information? Obama's tax plans are right there on his web site. There's a 6-page PDF document that says it all quite clearly. |
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Let me clarify. Did you, or did you not just state that Obama will raise YOUR taxes so that he can reduce mine?
Isn't that Redistribrution of wealth? Come on, Bob. That's called socialism. Maybe you need to read some of the posts at American Thinker.
I don't want a tax decrease, Bob. I want an economy that will support growth.
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the problem is that Sarah WAS Sarah. far too many of us out here in Conservative land like her, or wanted her. Thanks to McCain, her caree in the future of the Poltics other than her corner, are over. I for one, am happy for that. We don't need anyone supported by the Dobbsons, Schfly's et al, pulling the strings of this party anymore, or our candidates, as Palin was their puppet. |
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I do know about small business and their role in American Industry.
Senator Obama has no history of respect for small business.
Senator Obama has no history of respect for women.
Senator Obama has no history of respect for the unborn.
Would you like to give me a report on who it is that Senator Obama represents? Or anything he has done for this country to date?
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"Let me clarify. Did you, or did you not just state that Obama will raise YOUR taxes so that he can reduce mine?"
Yes. Not by much, mind you. I'm retired; my income is distributions from retirement accounts.
"Isn't that Redistribrution of wealth? Come on, Bob. That's called socialism."
It's called a progressive income tax.
Just about everything a government does is "redistribution of wealth." When they take your tax money and give it to someone to fix a road, they're redistributing your wealth to him. Is that socialism?
So where are you getting all your bad information? I've told you what Obama's proposals are, and you can verify that by looking them up, but I'm betting you'll ignore this and just go on spreading your ignorance. |
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"I do know about small business and their role in American Industry. Senator Obama has no history of respect for small business."
He's proposing a bunch of things that are good for small business: eliminating capital gains taxes for entrepreneurs and investors in them, cutting tax rates for companies that create jobs, healthcare tax credits, making the R&D tax credit permanent. Did you know about these things?
"Senator Obama has no history of respect for women."
Huh? Where did that come from? His grandmother, his mother, his wife have been the most important people in his life. He has a whole long list of women's issues on which he's made proposals. Does this have something to do with Hillary Clinton?
"Senator Obama has no history of respect for the unborn."
I though people had to EARN respect, were not entitled to it. (And have actually to be people, too. Not clumps of cells.)
"Would you like to give me a report on who it is that Senator Obama represents?"
He does a pretty good job of representing me and most of the people I know. And something like 52% of the population thinks so too. That's 160,000,000 people. Good enough for democracy. |
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And I'm not ignorant. Shame on you for saying so.
Contrary to what you say, we already have taxes in place to pave our roads. Most of those taxes are "usage" taxes. State mandated gas or annual registration taxes.
Sir, I would like you to quit calling me ignorant. I have no problem with my money going to fix roads, or bridges. Or sewer lines. That is not Redistribution of Wealth. It is the productive use of our tax dollars to improve our infrastructure. Period.
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"Sir, I would like you to quit calling me ignorant."
Then stop saying things that demonstrate ignorance. I corrected your misconceptions about a number of things about which you were wildly ignorant. If you're insulted by that, tough bananas.
"Contrary to what you say, we already have taxes in place to pave our roads."
I didn't say or imply that we didn't. However, it is redistribution of wealth; they're taking your money -- wealth -- and giving it to someone else -- redistributing it.
Btw, "redistribution of wealth" is not the same thing as socialism. Socialism is defined as public or collective ownership of the basic means of production, usually by the government. Requiring some people to pay a higher rate of taxes than others has nothing to do with socialism, can occur under any economic system.
The Bush government has recently acquired ownership in some of our major insurance and banking companies; THAT'S socialism. |
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I am happy you are well off financially to the point you dont care if the government confiscates more of your hard earned money. If you want to dontate more of your personal savings to the government, they will accept your check. But dont advocate the government taking more of MY money and giving it to others for no other reason than the fact they werent ambitious enough to get an education, perpare for a career and then put in the hard work to make the money themselves...what you are advocating is just plain Robin Hood economics which fails everytime it is tried.
40% of americans PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. The commom catch phrase of the libs "tax breaks for the rich" is a distortion, but a distortion the MSM and people like BOB repeat so often, people forget to reason what it really means. 40% of americans have a tax break to the point they PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. Any tax reductions HAVE to go to the wealthier americans because THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES PAYING FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. Now BHO wants to tax the 60% that pay taxes even more and send checks to the 40% that PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. BHO and BOB call that a tax break. That is not a tax break, that is a welfare check. No one in the MSM will point out the obvious Robin Hood economic plan BHO is advocating.
Certainly a computer systems architect can understand those basic premises. I hope you were better with computers than you are with economics.... |
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"But dont advocate the government taking more of MY money"
I haven't done so; I know nothing about your financial situation. I've simply supported Obama's proposal that those making more than $250K taxable income should pay more taxes on the amount above that.
"40% of americans have a tax break to the point they PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES."
This attitude is known as "lucky duckies;" Ruben Bolling often does "Tom the Dancing Bug" cartoons about it. The basic premise is that people living in abject poverty, homeless, in jail, etc. are to be envied because they don't have to pay taxes on the income they don't have. Surprisingly, many people who call themselves christians have this attitude.
"That is not a tax break, that is a welfare check."
So are tax cuts for the rich, subsidies to large corporations, tax refund incentives, etc. |
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Letting people keep more of the money they earn should be a goal of all of us slaves to the IRS...
As someone who has started two businesses and employeed dozens of people, the more money I dont have due to my earnings being confiscated by the government, the fewer people I can afford to pay their wages, their payroll taxes, their social security taxes, unemployment insurance, workers compensation insurance, or contribute to an employee's healthcare plan or 401K. In my business my margins are less than 10% of my revenues. 3% increase will be about a third of my gross margins and I will not be able to hire more folks or keep a few of the ones I have now. That is how you kill jobs and job creation. But hey, why should you care, you have finished your working career... |
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"In my business my margins are less than 10% of my revenues. 3% increase will be about a third of my gross margins"
So are you taking substantially more than $250K out of your business? Such that line 40 of your own 1040 form, taxable income after all your exemptions and deductions, is greater than $250,000? Because it's only then that you'll have to pay any more taxes than you do now.
And of course if you do hire more folks, the Obama plan will give you a significant break in your corporate taxes (which will otherwise be unchanged).
Or are you going to lie to your employees, tell them that the new higher taxes makes it impossible for you to give them a raise this year? Because you really need that $300,000 income for yourself. Don't get me wrong, you have every right to it. And we have every right to elect someone who will tax rich people like you. |
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Keep money I earned for myself??, lie to my employees??
So much for a rational debate, and here I thought you were a rational liberal.... |
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"Keep money I earned for myself??"
If you're taking $300,000 or more out of your business (assuming $50K in deductions, etc.) you're a rich person. Rich people pay a higher tax rate; that's a fundamental principle of our country. |
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"Race for the Presidency
Think about it, Obama has millions and millions of dollars to pour into his campaign, he draws thousands and thousands of people to his rallys, he has the support from well known politicians, Hollywood, and the news media who use Jr. High tactics to spread viscious rumors to discredit the McCain/Palin ticket all the while covering up Obama's shady past.... what's wrong with this picture? "
And to think that Obama's crew sends out emails for contributions for T-Shirts at $30 a pop.
I replied "You got to be kidding me. I'll make my own, thank you"
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