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Sunday, March 04, 2007
Ann Coulter, Republicans and Teh Gay
Posted by: Dean Barnett at 9:13 AM

I really don’t feel like writing this essay. I was going to curl up with the Sunday Times this morning and cook myself a nice omelet. Instead, I find it sadly necessary to address the tired topic of Ann Coulter.

I’ve received your emails. I’ve read your comments. The verdict is undeniable – many people who bothered to weigh in on the subject either didn’t see anything wrong with what Ann did or didn’t like my criticism of her. To tell the truth, most often it was both. My favorite email was the following typically thoughtful missive:

Ann Coulter hit the nail on the head. John Edwards is a pussified a**hole and faggot. That's right, I wrote it and will say it in public. I don't mean it in the classic sense either. Edwards is an effeminate, back-stabbing, hide-behind-the-law, ambulance chaser who couldn't handle himself in a one-on-one fist fight. So, get your perfume out and go join him. Evidently, you aren't man enough to tell the truth either. You're just another neo-con hack who isn't worth his weight in dogs**t! Stop blogging because you're just making it worse.

Why was this one my favorite? Because it was addressed to Hugh. Heh.

THE OBJECTIONS TO MY objections fell into three main categories:

1) Ann didn’t really call Edwards a faggot.

2) What the left does is sooooo much worse. Rather than criticize Ann, Hugh and I should be saluting her for having the courage to fight back.

3) Ann can say whatever she wants. You know, freedom of speech? Besides, she’s a national treasure.

Okay, taking them in order:

I don’t think the first objection is meant as a serious one. Here’s Ann’s exact quote: “I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘faggot,’ so I — so kind of an impasse, can’t really talk about Edwards.” It’s too early and frankly I have too much writing to do today to seriously engage this objection. If you think that this is meaningfully different from just saying, “Edwards is a faggot,” then we’ll have to agree to disagree. I know, I know - it was a joke. The whole point here is that it was an astonishingly inappropriate one.

I find the second objection even further off the mark. Yes, the left engages in hysterical, overwrought, inappropriate and offensive rhetoric. No denying that. I think I can say, with all due modesty, that over the years I’ve made more of a sport of documenting these transgressions than anyone else.

The reason I document these things is because I believe they are collectively the smoking gun that shows how pathological the modern left has become. So tell me – why would I support similar behavior on the right? Yes, Bill Maher did his typically brain-dead and offensive shtick on Friday. But, you’ll note, “brain-dead” and “offensive” aren’t terms of praise. Assuming one thinks that publicly using the word “faggot” is offensive, why would one praise Ann Coulter for doing so just because she has opposite numbers on the other side of the political spectrum who are also embarrassments to their side? I must admit, the logic here is lost on me.

An additional point related to this complaint for you political pragmatists out there: One of the reasons the left lost in 2004 was because of its sweaty embrace of Michael Moore. The hysteria of the Daily Kos and the Huffington Post are ongoing liabilities for liberalism. I’m not entirely clear on why conservatives would cheer similar liabilities in their own ranks.

The final argument was the most ludicrous (although admittedly the competition was fierce). Many of my correspondents thought Ann should have been able to say whatever she wanted. To them, it was a free speech issue.

Yes, America is a free country. Obviously, Ann can do her Lenny Bruce-meets-Gordon Liddy “edgy” conservative comedy shtick if that’s what floats her boat (and sells her books). But when she goes out in public and enters a mature forum, Ann has to clean it up. On Friday, she was speaking from a stage that in all likelihood also hosted the future Republican presidential nominee. This wasn’t a college campus appearance. More dignity was required. Obviously the presidential candidates agree; they have attempted to distance themselves from Coulter, obviously failing to grasp the benefit of having such a putatively hilarious conservative firebrand on their side.

Determinedly clueless to the bitter end, Ann emailed the New York Times’ Adam Nagourney responding to the candidates’ seeking distance from her. “Did any of these guys say anything after I made the same remark about Al Gore last summer?” she asked. “Why not? What were they trying to say about Al Gore with their silence?” To provide the obvious answer of why her Gore comments went unnoticed, her Gore comments (which I don’t have any memory of) obviously came at a less prominent forum than CPAC.

ONE LAST POINT, AND THIS ONE HAS more to do with conservatives than the outspoken pundit. A lot of people wrote in saying something like, “Big deal. No one offended by the term ‘faggot’ is going to vote Republican, anyway.”

I don’t deny that there are people who don’t consider “faggot” an offensive term. Of course, there are people who don’t consider “kike” an offensive term either. In our current day, the former is a hateful slur word just as surely as the latter is. If you don’t agree with that, it’s important that you at least realize the following – the offensiveness of “faggot” is a certain truth in polite society. And impolite society. And just about everywhere in between. If this comes as news to you, you’ve got to get out more. Don’t quote me a Dire Straits song from 1985 – times have changed. It’s frankly an embarrassment that some conservatives are so eager and willing to embrace Coulter’s comment.

When Ann made her offending comment on Friday, it wasn’t greeted by boisterous laughter as many of you have suggested in your emails and comments. It was greeted by uncomfortable silence. That spoke well of the attendees. The audience at CPAC knew that Ann had transgressed.

Some conservatives, or at least some of the conservatives who have flooded my inbox, think that her transgression was perfectly acceptable. It wasn’t. The use of a hateful slur word in a public forum is beyond the pale. It saddens me that we can’t have unanimity on such a simple and basic point.

As for me, in spite of all the thoughtful emails I’ve received to the contrary, I’m sticking with my original assessment of Ann and her “joke”: Idiotic. Disgusting. Stupid. Moronic.

Compliments? Complaints? Contact me at Soxblog@aol.com

 

UPDATE: Anti-Romney conservative (poor misguided thing) Jennifer Rubin has thoughts on this matter at Politico that are well worth reading.



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2spothipshot writes: Friday, March, 09, 2007 9:06 AM
For what it's worth,
I'm not an angry "Anns-ethic Supporter", I just don't see why people want to blame her for putting a stain on the GOP.The right IS, afterall, the side that wants to starve school children and old folks to death by "cutting" (the growth of) entitlements (even though the left taxes them and goes unassailed). And now we want to destroy the entire planet with the halp of Haliburton,Exxon-Mobil etc.

Can't you see it doesn't matter? We're all nazis no matter what we do, so when Ms. Coulter gives them an "A-ha! moment" we would like to see the people - who are ostensibly on her side- stand up for her instead of running away screamming "Teacher! Teacher! She said a meany weeny word!"

My guess is, none of you dissenters has ever been involved in a schoolyard brawl let alone strapped it on and fired a weapon in anger or you wouldn't have your all too tight panties in such an uncomfortable bunch.

Grow a pair wouldja? You're embarassing me in front of my uncastrated associates.
Mark Ducharme
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 8:57 PM
An Inability to Discern

»Are you sure you aren't doing a Steve Cobert here?«

Who is THAT?

» Sometimes I think you're serious and then sometime you are just too over the top.«

I am seriously not over the top.

I notice that you say, "It 'think' you're serious," then, in the same sentence, "You 'are' just too over the top."

It's as though whether I am serious is a consideration of mind, and my being "over the top" is a matter of objective fact. Aren't both accusations subjective?

What, need a disclaimer for the former but not for the latter? Shouldn't you offer the benefit of doubt for both?

See? Your writing betrays an inablility to discern, no attention to details.
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 8:47 PM
Swampthing
"Hope springs eternal in the heart of a fool."

Are you sure you aren't doing a Steve Cobert here? Sometimes I think you're serious and then sometime you are just too over the top.

swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 8:38 PM
Anybody Twisting Your Arm?

»Swampthing: Please don't waste your time here.«

I'm not.

Now, mayabe I'm wasting YOUR time here. However, you can solve that problem by not reading my stuff. Easy.

»your nonsense«

It makes no sense to YOU cuz your politics won't let you make any sense of it. That's not my fault.

»the Democrats will be in power for a couple of decades.«

Hope springs eternal in the heart of a fool.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 8:34 PM
Just Cuz Everbybody Buys a Rambler...
...Doesn't Make It a Good Car

»You haven't sorted out anything...«

I have, but it's still a jumble in your mind cuz you refuse to receive it, and that's ok. Others do, and that is most important.

»... you just repeat the same thing over and over «

I must do that because of the thick skulls out there.

»You can't come up with anything but typical talking points...«

I refer to no talking points. Nobody tells me what to think.

Anything that opposes you, of course, to YOU, is talking points. That's YOUR only response, to accuse them of reading off a sheet.

»... even to the point where you ignore common sense.«

"Common sense"??

What YOU mean is YOUR "sense." Yes, I don't accept YOUR "sense."
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 8:08 PM
Please
"However, I know how to sort out the BS, just as I sorted out the BS about Coulter."

You haven't sorted out anything, you just repeat the same thing over and over and ignore the obvious. You can't come up with anything but typical talking points, even to the point where you ignore common sense.

"People get to have Freedom of Speech, don't they? Nor no?"

Yes and you have the freedom to think for yourself, try it some time.

One more thing for Coulter, go to the Hannity and Colmes page, watch Coulter video from last night(part 1), she states that she meant faggot to mean wuss, "the schoolyard taunt", and then proceeded to show how the wuss label could be applied to Edwards. If you want legal proof to prove the obvious there it is. There, beyond reasonable doubt even for mindless sheep.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 7:35 PM
Yup! People Get to Say What They Want!

»Don't worry they will tell you who to vote for soon enough.«

People get to have Freedom of Speech, don't they? Nor no?
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 7:33 PM
"They"? You Mean "YOU"!

»Don't worry they will tell you who to vote for soon enough«

Just as YOU'RE doing right now.

However, I know how to sort out the BS, just as I sorted out the BS about Coulter.
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 7:29 PM
Oh gawd
Don't worry they will tell you who to vote for soon enough.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 7:26 PM
In Other Words...

...as I have said plainly, whoever makes it to the general election is the Repub who will get my vote cuz, as the Democrats have shown, a Democrat would be WWWAAAYYYY worse than any imperfect Republican. Perfection cannot be the enemy of good enough, or best, of the bunch.

Republican voters, mad at incumbents last November, enabled Democrats to take Congress. Tsk, tsk. They should not let that happen next time around, not let emotion get in the way of priorities.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 7:19 PM
Nobody is Perfect

»Swampthing
Which pro amnesty, pro NAU candidate are you voting for in the primary? «

Too soon to make any final adjustments.

Out of all the candidates with every possible view, I dunno for whom I will vote.

My guess is that I will have to take a little bad with a greater good. Nobody is gonna be perfect. So, I will not let perfect be the enemy of good enough, or best, outta the bunch.
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 7:06 PM
Swampthing
Which pro amnesty, pro NAU candidate are you voting for in the primary?
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 7:04 PM
Priorities, People!

»Vote for Rudy or Romney or McCain. «

In the primary, I will vote for whom I want to be the nominee.

However, if the one for whom I voted in the primary is not the nominee of the Party, I'm voting for whoever is, for different reasons than I will have had in the primary: I want to keep the Democrat out. In the general election, I got a choice between Republican and Democrat, and I know that, if I'm drawn to anybody other than those, I enable the Democrat. So, whoever the Repub nominee is in the general, he is infinitely better than the Democrat.

Priorities change from primary election to general election.
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:49 PM
North American Union
not American Union
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:48 PM
Yeah
Vote for Rudy or Romney or McCain. You're voting for Amnesty and the American Union just so you can pick the "winner". Just so you can be "pragmatic". I see nothing pragmatic about voting for someone who advocates allowing a foreign invasion and/or eroding our sovereignty. That is not pragmatic, that is treason. Now who is the liberal among us?
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:42 PM
I Think I'll Get Over It

»I'm registering Republican to vote for Ron Paul...«

There goes another night's sleep.

Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:26 PM
After seeing the Republican Clintons...
Today's comments sealed it, I'm registering Republican to vote for Ron Paul and then you can have your deluded party back. Many of you have become Clintons.

You can defend the indefensible:

She didn't call him a faggot.
Sharply declining deficits.
Forget outsourcing, what about insourcing.
I am picking a pro amnesty candidate in the primaries because.....
Mitt didn't flip flop he had a magical conversion at the age of 50, like we all do.
Rudy will no doubt pick conservative judges...
We need to stay the course, we never stayed the course, we didn't need more troops, we needed more troops...
Wanted dead or alive...I don't think about Bin Laden much anymore.
Harriet Miers
No Child left behind, federal invasion of the school system.
The War wasn't about WMDs


Want to join a conservative party with principles and CONSISTENCY?

http://www.lp.org

swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:20 PM
Critics as Ventriloquists

»Faggot is a word she would have used in her hypothetical description of Edwards.«

Putting words in her mouth.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:18 PM
Critics Really Losing Grip on Reality

»nobody has the balls to defend it«

Go back and read my posts to find WWWAAAYYY-beyond-ample defense.

As I say, her statement needs no defense, really, since she clearly didn't call him a "faggot." That speaks for itself.

I notice that you never say that she actually said what you indicate you think she said.

You refer to what she "would have said." You use words like "appears," too.

Those kinds of cya words signal that you are unsure, and that you know that you can't claim that she actually called Edwards a "faggot." You use words that keep you from going out on that limb.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:11 PM
She Said What She Said...
...She Didn't Say What She Didn't Say

»anyone who thought that Ann was implying that she would use the word faggot to describe Edwards is using "mind tricks".«

Yes, since her words and their order do not support your claim.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:09 PM
Speculation is not Fact

»Faggot is a word she would have used in her hypothetical description of Edwards.«

Wild speculation.

We're not held liable for words we "might have used," only for words we use.

The words she used and the way she used them do not call Edwards a "faggot."
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:07 PM
Critics Apply Strict Standard...
...They Want not to Apply to Themselves

»it would most definitely appear that Ms Coulter was going to call Edwards a faggot.«

"...it would most definitely appear...," and, "was 'going' to call..."

Weasel word to make it appear that what you are thinking is fact, when it isn't, and the language of her statement proves that you are makming it up.

What appears to YOU doesn't appear to others, nor in reality, only in your head, and that is subjective.

What may, or may not, appear in the future is not set, contrary to "was going to call..." as though you "know" it's gonna happen when you don't.

Still, she didn't call him a "faggot.". She stopped short of doing so.

Critics are trying to fill in the blank with their own, foggy perceptions. They are springloaded to criticize her, and, so, when she stopped short of calling Edwards a "faggot," they had to fill in the rest so they could have a case, which they don't.

In any case, person A can't be held liable for something person B thinks -- based on all kinds of whatever is going on in person B's head --person A might say.
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:06 PM
Wet Paint
"Wrong. The sign refers to the paint which is wet."

Faggot is a word she would have used in her hypothetical description of Edwards.
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:02 PM
Re:Delusional Critics
"Mind tricks -- mass twisting and manipulating -- is what's at play in reading into Coulter's statement that she called Edwards a "faggot." If she meant to say that he is a "faggot," she would have said so. She didn't. Her language choice doesn't support the critics."

Okay, Okay, I get it. You got me. You are just doing a Stephen Colbert thing, right? I mean this paragraph was hilarious, I actually laughed out loud. Yes anyone who thought that Ann was implying that she would use the word faggot to describe Edwards is using "mind tricks". Good thing you wear a tinfoil hat to protect you from those "mind tricks".

hahahahaha
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:57 PM
swampthing
Obviously you didn't read my first post:

"Mike says Big Government Republicans aren't fighting back? You aren't fighting back Mike, why don't you just say, "look at Edwards, the Breck Girl, the guy who still has Cheney's boot print in his @ss, they guy voted most likely to be light in the loafers by his law school mates, the guy who uses more hairspray than his fat ugly wife, if there is one person in the '08 election that is a "faggot" would it not be Edwards?" That would be fighting back, backpedaling and trying to change the context of the joke after the fact does not cut it."

She had the balls to say it, nobody has the balls to defend it, you are all just backpedaling. And I haven't heard too many pundit using this argument so your "just like you" comeback, as witty and clever as it was, doesn't hold any water.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:56 PM
Delusional Critics

»When you see a park bench with a sign that says "WET PAINT" on it, do you sit on the bench? The sign doesn't explicitly say that the bench has wet paint on it, right?«

Wrong. The sign refers to the paint which is wet.

Further, YOU say, "a sign that says 'WET PAINT' on it." That signifies that the wet paint is on the bench. There is no mind trick to play to figure that out. The language, itself, is clear. No twisting, no manipulating necessary.

Mind tricks -- mass twisting and manipulating -- is what's at play in reading into Coulter's statement that she called Edwards a "faggot." If she meant to say that he is a "faggot," she would have said so. She didn't. Her language choice doesn't support the critics.

» I usually don't sit on benches that have wet paint signs but I guess I am just in my own deluded world, right?«

Your delusions are between you and your mental health professional.
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:50 PM
Trying to understand this "context"
Now I will put on my Big Government Republican cap and attempt to see it through your eyes:

Referring back to the context of the joke, the person from Grey's Anatomy didn't go to rehab for using the word faggot, he went to rehab for calling someone a faggot. Applying that to the joke, it would most definitely appear that Ms Coulter was going to call Edwards a faggot. Otherwise the joke would have made no sense.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:46 PM
To Coulter's Detractors...
...Any Defense of Her is Just Talking Points

»When I heard Ann on H&C last night, I knew what the talking points were going to be and expected them to be out in full force today.«

Like YOUR posts! We see.
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:45 PM
Swampthing
"Had she called him "faggot!" she would have said, "He is a 'faggot'!" No such language exists in her statement other than what overly critical minds dreamed up. The dreams don't match the words. This means that many who say that she called him a "faggot" are living in a world they made up rather than in reality."

When you see a park bench with a sign that says "WET PAINT" on it, do you sit on the bench? The sign doesn't explicitly say that the bench has wet paint on it, right? I usually don't sit on benches that have wet paint signs but I guess I am just in my own deluded world, right?
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:41 PM
It Doesn't Work

»I would talk about Swampthing's mom, but if you say the phrase "good for nothing wh0re" you might have to go to rehab. «

Since you didn't call her the name, I can't be offended.
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:34 PM
I would....
I would talk about Swampthing's mom, but if you say the phrase "good for nothing wh0re" you might have to go to rehab.
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:26 PM
I mean seriously
When I heard Ann on H&C last night, I knew what the talking points were going to be and expected them to be out in full force today. Can some of you even think for yourselves anymore? I mean I know what most of you are going to say because when I hear three or more Republican mouthpieces repeat the same crap, I realize that is what was handed to them to say. It is so predictable that it is rather sickening.

Baaa Baaa
Lev Strauss writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:21 PM
swampthing
Are you really having sexual relations with someone if they are the one that is performing the action? I guess it depends on your definition of is.

Ann said that she would talk about John Edwards but you have to go to rehab if you use the word faggot. That means her description of Edwards was going to use the word faggot. How f*cking stupid are you?
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:17 PM
Reality Show

»If one makes a joke about x while using offensive language about y, that's OK according to these two because x is an perfectly reasonable subject to joke about. Amazing«

That doesn't apply to Coulter's statement cuz she didn't use what YOU would call "offensive" language toward Edwards in that she didn't call him anything.

Had she called him "faggot!" she would have said, "He is a 'faggot'!" No such language exists in her statement other than what overly critical minds dreamed up. The dreams don't match the words. This means that many who say that she called him a "faggot" are living in a world they made up rather than in reality.

At a party, a man approached Ben ["The Graduate"] and gave him one word: "plastics."

I got one word for those who see Coulter calling Edwards a "faggot": rehab.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 5:08 PM
Poster GWB Vents:
»I am sick of this crap.«


So what?
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 4:51 PM
She Didn't Say...
...What You Want to Think She Said

»Ann Coulter said "It turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word 'faggot,' so I'm kind of at an impasse -- I can't really talk about Edwards."
Clear enough? Even for you? «

Yes. She didn't call him a "faggot."
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 4:48 PM
Critics of Coulter Can't Show Language

»SHE WAS CALLING EDWARDS A FAGGOT.«

Ok. If that is so, you can produce her statement and take it apart so that we can see this.

Now, no fair saying, "It seems that way," or, "I gotta feeling this is what she said," or, "This is my perception." That is all subjective. We want OBJECTIVE.

So, show us the exact language, the "He is a 'faggot'!" language cuz we can't find it.

All this criticism of Coulter, saying that she called Edwards a "faggot," is like scoffers saying that there is "separation of Church and State" and and pro-choice=pro-abortion mobsters saying there is "privacy" in the Constitution.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 4:40 PM
Lynne's Got it Right!

»Swampthing, I think that you and I are part of only a handfull of others who actually "got the joke."«

My main point, though, as you know, is that she just plain didn't call him a "faggot." All these so-called "intelligent" people need to do is look at the language of her statement and use some of the skills they were to have learned in 3rd grade English. I find that this is too much to aks, though. It taxes their giant "intellects."

»I wonder if anyone bothered to watch Coulter on H&C last night? Either they did and automatically discounted what she said, or they didn't bother.«

It doesn't matter cuz, if they took her original statement out of context and manipulated it to make it look as though she said something she didn't say...

»Just as we surmised, it had nothing to do with "that word" or even Edwards for that matter, but rather about "pc-rehab," and it just happened to be "that word" that got Isaiah Washington on Gray's Anatomy sent to "pc-rehab." UH DUH!!! (Man, did I take a blog-beating over that from solis!!!)«

That, to them, doesn't matter. They see it as an opportunity to jump on a conservative with their holier-than-thous which aren't holier than thou.

They have no substance. We have known this. THEY know this. So, they create a controversy. Dean has helped them, I'm sorry to say, and the worst thing we can do is help them give conservatives a black eye.

Now, fear of vicious responses from the Left shouldn't deter us from standing up even when others who SAY they're on our side stay seated. You and I -- and a few others -- are the kind who gather the sticks for the fire while others sit there and wait for us to do the work; but, if WE don't do it, it won't get done.

»And, I'm still waiting for Maher to get just a fraction of the up-roar Coulter got!«

Si' down. Chillax. You gotta long wait.
kswartz writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 1:07 PM
But... he "IS" a f@g...
I just don't get it, because John Edwards "IS" a faggot... it's just the Truth, like if someone were to accuse Ann of being a 'woman'
wardmd writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 9:24 AM
Ann Coulter's address...
I agree that (A) Ann Coulter has every right to say whatever the hell she wants (1st amendment, and all), and (B) I do not condone what she said (at least not in those terms).

The question I have, though, is WHO invited Ann to speak there?

Knowing she is who she is, and says what she says, who, in God's name, provided that forum to her (especially without asking her to tone it down a bit)?

THIS, for me, shows the lack of leadership in the Republian party (and demonstrates, yet again, why we threw them out last November).

It is, of course, interesting to watch the Liberals (neo-progs) getting their panties in a wad over reading between the lines, when THEY are the masters of "what the meaning of is, is".
Critical Bill writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 6:12 AM
Dr Tesla
Yep, I post here every work day. Monday to Friday. Weekends, very rarely. So you have cancer? I have a friend who had Hodgkins lymphoma. He got through it - hope you do to. Getting a second shot at life might make you a less bitter and twisted individual, something you clearly are at the moment.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 4:57 AM
Libs Like Dustups...
...Especially When They Can Help Dust It All Up

"she'll fall for the same reason George Allen lost in '06. "

Allen was running for office. Coulter isn't.

Alen called somebody nearby a name. Coulter did not.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 3:54 AM
All Subjectives, No Objectives

»Why did Coulter think calling someone a "faggot" would please the right?«

The only problem is that she didn't call anyone a "faggot."
swampthing writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 3:51 AM
Where's the Beff [Hungry Heffer menu]?

»As for your incessant insistance that Coulter didn't say what she said... what planet are you from?«

Ok. All you gotta do is provide the exact quote wherein she actually called him a "faggot."

No fair saying that it's your perception. No rationalizing. No fair saying, "It struck me this way." Nothing about "It amounts to the same thing." That's all subjective. We want the objective wording, phrasing whereby she calls him a "faggot."

You say she called him a "faggot," and we wanna see the exact words that consitute "calling" him a "faggot.'


drivebyposting writes: Tuesday, March, 06, 2007 12:15 AM
Re: Zaphod Beeblebrox
Well said.

However I must say it is impossible for me to see see the name Zaphod and not think of the Heart of Gold. Well, that and the gravity of the situation as you well illustrated reminded me of what happens without gravity when being thrown out an airlock. Mainly you end up thinking about the astronomical odds of being picked up before your die some by some random passing spaceship named the Heart of Gold.

"The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

"My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre and that I am therefore excused from saving universes."
--Life, The Universe and Everything

"Arthur: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.

Ford: Why, what did she tell you?

Arthur: I don't know, I didn't listen."
--HHGTG


"Fruit and berries on strange planets either make you live or make you die. Therefore the point at which to start toying with them is when you're going to die if you don't. That way you stay ahead. The secret to healthy hitchhiking is to eat junk food."
--Ford Prefect
Reason writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:46 PM
Swampthing:
Oh please. How many times will we see a column or post at this web site that tells us what Liberals want and think? Give me a break. Those comments are a dime a dozen here.

As for your incessant insistance that Coulter didn't say what she said... what planet are you from?

"I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘faggot,’ so I — so kind of an impasse, can’t really talk about Edwards."

This sort of cute construction is as old as commentary itself. This is the kind of thing an unclever person says when they want to say something inappropriate, that they know will get them in trouble, but they just can't help themselves. That's the "self-control" part that Coulter lacks.

I think Anne will survive, but if she doesn't, she'll fall for the same reason George Allen lost in '06. When you say something highly offensive to a particular group of people, you do so because you assume your audience is of like mind. Allen found out that 2006 Virginians did not appreciate being treated like 1956 Virginians.

Coulter's entire world revolves around words and arguments. Does anyone believe that the Edwards taunt was not planned? What was the intended consequence of this plan? Irritate the left and please the right. Why did Coulter think calling someone a "faggot" would please the right? Because she doesn't think much of those who have made her a multi-millionaire.
Zaphod B. Goode writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:06 PM
Addendum:
(Just for reference and a memory-jog, Mr. Bidinotto is the same Robert J. Bidinotto who wrote the Reader's Digest article "Getting Away With Murder" - which made Willie Horton a household name and wiped out Michael Dukakis' Presidential campaign in 1988.) - ZBG
Zaphod B. Goode writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 9:59 PM
Coulter: Symptom of GOP's Flu
Yes, I too have enjoyed Coulter's often laugh-out-loud hilarious barbs at the left, and yes, I am a (now-embarrassed) owner of one of Coulter's books. But what we are engaged in here is judgement, and her comment has to be judged in context.

In the context in which it was delivered, Coulter's juvenile, pointless "f-word" comment did nearly as much damage to the GOP's reputation in ten seconds as the entire '06-Rout, Neocon-RINO herd did in their ten years of Bacchanalian earmark-orgies, compromise on any and every issue, rolling over and exposing their bellies in meek submission to any Demo-Socialist who said "Boo!," and utter betrayal of principles at every turn.

Thanks, Ann, we really needed the stigma of "Bigoted Yahoos" resuscitated and draped over our Party on the eve of a campaign season - for what is one of the most crucial, life-or-death Presidential elections in American history.

Bravo.

Certainly, the "f-word" is on a rough par (certainly no better) with any of the rest of the gutter-sludge that passes for discourse and "entertainment" in the sewer that is contemporary American culture.

But what really infuriates me - more even than the fact that she unleashed her schoolyard epithet before a gathering that ostensibly represents the GOP, therefore *me* - is what her sinking to that level said to the watching world.

The present-day GOP "leadership" doesn't know it, but we (by which I mean bedrock "Reagan Republicans,") not only have magnificent arguments for our Party's principles, we can point to those principles' proven results: our priceless (though besieged) rights and freedom, and a future of untold prosperity and human advances. The opposition have: one hundred years, dozens upon dozens of shattered economies, and a mountain of corpses estimated at well in excess of one hundred million.

So what does the CPAC deliver to the eyes and ears of the world?

- A mindless and unquestionably bigoted ad hominem epithet any bright first-week logic student could identify blindfolded and drunk.

We are at war for the very survival of America and Western Civilization, and *THAT* is the best that she can come up with in the way of a substantive argument in its defense?!?

I hate to say it, but Robert J. Bidinotto [ http://bidinotto.journalspace.com ] is right when he says that the conservative movement, as a positive force for *ideas* in defense of Western Civilization, is dead. From its remains we of the GOP rank-and-file will have to rebuild the Party as an institution of scholarship and principled argument.

If we can't find leaders capable of constructing an argument for Western Civilization at better than Beavis & Butthead caliber, we're not just wasting our time hoping for a 2008 victory, we're all as good as dead. Recall that we're in a fight for our lives, folks, and the predators require only one thing to take us down: philosophical default.

Thanks, Ann. Beavis says you "rule."
swampthing writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 7:22 PM
Incomplete Title and Questions

Doc Tesla blesses us thusly: »Dean's blog title is "Ann Coulter, Republicans, and Teh Gay". He would no doubt try to excuse that as a typo, but if he's going to attack Coulter as stupid, he probably should know how to spell the word "the". :)«

Yeah, but then we'd have to get an explaination of "the Gay what?" "Gay" appears, there, to be an adjective with nothing to modify. It's unfinished.

However, is "the [corrected] Gay" referring to Edwards, and, if it is, is he calling Edwards "gay"? That would seem to be the indication.

Your thoughts.
Dr. Tesla writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 7:08 PM
Does Dean not know how to spell "the"?
Dean's blog title is "Ann Coulter, Republicans, and Teh Gay". He would no doubt try to excuse that as a typo, but if he's going to attack Coulter as stupid, he probably should know how to spell the word "the". :)
swampthing writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 7:03 PM
"The Amazing, Mind-Reading Lib!"
DR. Tesla: »Whateva, despite claiming to have a PHD, inferred from my screename that I was a physician, or pretending to be a physician. I ridiculed him for this, because most educated people have heard of Dr.Tesla, a brilliant electrical engineer. He tried to pretend that he really knew who Tesla was after I burned him on his ignorance, but that can't be the case if he thought I was a physician (he assumed Dr. meant Tesla had a MD, not a PHD). «

We have found, have we not, that Libs know everything we think and feel and that they can comment on it at will without our ever having to open our mouths, or tap out messages on this here computer.

Why aren't more Libs in the circus, or in carnivals, if they have this talent?
Dr. Tesla writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 6:56 PM
Here goes.....
Liberals are faggots. Liberals are faggots. Liberals are faggots. Liberals are faggots.

W'hahahaha. :)
Anon Y. Mous writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 6:56 PM
How Bad Is Bad
Dean: "But when she goes out in public and enters a mature forum, Ann has to clean it up. On Friday, she was speaking from a stage that in all likelihood also hosted the future Republican presidential nominee. This wasn’t a college campus appearance. More dignity was required."

Agreed. What I, and I suspect others object to is the idea that the use of the term 'faggot' is equivalent to a racial slur. It is offensive, but then, so is calling someone a fat slob. But you never hear of demands for someone to be shunned because they called someone fat.

Her joke may have been inappropriate for the forum, but it wasn't so far out of bounds that all decent people need to disassociate themselves from Coulter.
Dr. Tesla writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 6:52 PM
Whateva is whateva he wishes he was.....
swampthing writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 5:38 PM
Is Whatev a Doc, or the Patient?

Whatev writes: »...I'm pretty busy, what with my MD/PhD degree, seeing patients and working in the lab...«

"MD" = me doctor

"PhD" = phony doctor

If you're sooooo busy, how can you find the time to post so much here??


DR. Tesla: Whateva, despite claiming to have a PHD, inferred from my screename that I was a physician, or pretending to be a physician. I ridiculed him for this, because most educated people have heard of Dr.Tesla, a brilliant electrical engineer. He tried to pretend that he really knew who Tesla was after I burned him on his ignorance, but that can't be the case if he thought I was a physician (he assumed Dr. meant Tesla had a MD, not a PHD).
Dr. Tesla writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 6:40 PM
soothsayer writes: Monday, March, 05, 20
soothsayer writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 2:48 AM
OK Tesla I get it . . .
. . . you're a satirist - just not a very good one.



Dr. Tesla: I must be pretty good at satire, if I'm able to provoke the kind of angry response from you and other lefties. You are a puppet, and I am your puppet master. I can make you dance for me with mere words.

SInce you and your liberal buddies didn't know that Barack Obama's middle name is actually Hussein, and you thought Ann Coulter called him Hussein as an insult, it's obvious that you guys are ignorant as hell and have no crediblity in your attacks on her.





Dr. Tesla writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 6:30 PM
Critical Bill writes: Monday, March, 05,
Critical Bill writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 5:54 AM
Looks like
Dr Tesla spent his whole Sunday posting on this thread. Way to go! What a life he must lead... but it looks like it's going to be a fruitless effort. Coulter is now a paraiah not just for Democrats but the Republicans are running a mile too. Hard luck Annie - looks like you crossed the line and unless a very large slice of humble pie is consumed it's going to be tough making a comeback. Good riddance to bad rubbish...


Dr. Tesla: I hear you are on of the regulars on on this forum...that you post almost every single day. You no doubt have posted over a thousand times in here. I have Hodgkins lymphoma (that's at type of cancer, for the ignorant liberals who troll in this forum), so yes, I was on the computer all day Sunday, because the chemo makes me throw up and I have to be near a bathroom. What's your excuse for always posting in here? To score cyber political points by bashing on Ann Coulter? Nobody is ever going to know who you are...everybody knows who Coulter is, and I know you are jealous of this. I predict that you will tell me that you hope that I die from my cancer. :)
swampthing writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 5:38 PM
Is Whatev a Doc, or the Patient?

Whatev writes: »...I'm pretty busy, what with my MD/PhD degree, seeing patients and working in the lab...«

"MD" = me doctor

"PhD" = phony doctor

If you're sooooo busy, how can you find the time to post so much here??
swampthing writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 5:33 PM
Do THEY Know, Doc?

Dr. Tesla,

I'm amazed that even homsexuals think that being called a "faggot," or, "homo," is a bad thing. I thought that they thought it's a good thing. Y'think they're deliberately trying to confuse the issue, hmmmmm?

I wonder which it is.
swampthing writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 5:24 PM
WDJS?

»What did Jesus say about homosexuality? Not a word. «

Jesus, as the Word tells you, is "Emmanuel," or, "God with us." He is/was God. He was God, come to Earth as a man to show us that we can do it.

Therefore, any reference God makes to the combination of same sexes, Jesus makes, that such combo is an abomination.

Jesus refers to the joining of a man and a woman -- WHAT, not who -- because only they could divorce. Only those who can be joined can divorce. God joined only a man and a woman -- WHAT, not who.

»He just said we should love our neighbor like ourselves.«

"Love" is "unselfish concern for the Salvation of others."

You mean "love" to be an enabling factor which, of course, it is not. You mean "love" to be a restriction on people like me to declare God's Word; but God tells me to judge Righteously -- that is, to discern according to His Word, not by my own standards.

God loves us; but He will still judge us. He still loves the vast majority who disobey and reject Him; but He will still send them to Hell. It's not as though without warning.

He says that He will save only a remnant, just as, with His justice, He destroyed the whole world and saved only eight: Noah's Righteoous family.
swampthing writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 5:08 PM
Bible Condemns Homosexuality

»Bible doesn't codemn homosexuality, but that the fact that you are others seem to take particular care to push that part of the Bible«

Where, in the Bible, does God say anything other than a man as husband and a woman as wife is acceptable to Him?

Where does God say He joined other than a man to a woman?

When Jesus refers to His -- Jesus is "God with us" -- joining of a man and a woman -- WHAT, not who -- does He also refer to the joining of a man to a man, a woman to a woman? Where?

swampthing writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 5:03 PM
No Contradictions in the Bible!

»The Bible says alot of things. Some of them are frankly contradictory ...«

The only contradictions "in the Bible" are in your mind.

As John 1 says, the darkness can't comprehend the Light.
Will writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 2:48 PM
Hmmm It appears
That Greek is not spoken in the comments section.
Will writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 2:46 PM
manfred
Feel free to deceive yourself if you so wish. The Bible is not ambiguous at all about soddomy.

As for the New Testament statements, Paul in the original Greek uses the words "??se?????t??" (arsenokoites), and "µa?a???" (malakos), euphemistically speaking, in a homosexual relationship, the one giving and the one receiving sex. It is not ambiguous in the least.

Correctly speaking, Christians should not hate the sodomite, only the sodomy. They must seek to repent of their transgressions before they will be forgiven.
-Kilroy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 2:15 PM
Whatev
I don't quite follow your argument but let me say THIS about THAT. I hope to never have to wash the stain of a girly man from my lips. EVER. And I think "rehab" is a bit misleading. What violators of the PC culture are committed to isn't "rehab" but "re-education". The first is indeed therapeutic. The second intended to be punitive.
Marsh Dave writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 1:52 PM
Addressed to Hugh
That comment caused me to literally LOL as the Internet savvy folk acronym.

As for the Edwards faggot comment - I have no idea about the facts - but I have to say, that if he is not he is wasting a damn good opportunity.
JASmius writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 1:10 PM
A Different Kind of Objection
Dean, my objection to your objection to Ann Coulter's "faggot" reference to John "Opie" Edwards (if you want to call it that) doesn't really fit into any of the categories you have deliniated.

1) Obviously Coulter called Edwards a "faggot". I take her to mean that he's a sissified pretty-boy rather than an actual practicing homosexual, of which there is no evidence (And considering that these days, coming out of the closet is considered to be a noble act of courage on the level of political gold, if Edwards were gay, I don't know what he'd be waiting for). It really isn't much different than Rush Limbaugh's nickname for Edwards as "the Breck Girl." Something I can't help noticing that you have never publicly condemned. Why is that, I wonder? Wouldn't consistency demand it?

2) What the left does IS "sooooo much worse." I don't think that requires you or Hugh to "salute" Ann Coulter. What it ought to motivate you to do is to not obsess over Coulter's slur compared to the avalanche of bile that continues to issue forth from the fever swamps just because it's a novelty coming from our side of the aisle. I think that very bilious ubiquity is part of why they get cut a pass even from our side, in much the same way that we're so prone to eating our own: it's always easier to fire on a target that is far less likely to fight back (or, in Coulter's case, is all by herself).

3) The "free speech" argument is a red herring. You weren't saying Coulter didn't have the right to call Opie Edwards a "faggot"; you were holding her accountable for saying it in a very public setting. That's part of free speech, and I have no problem with that.

I just don't see any reason to say anything about Coulter's comment at all. She said it, they're her words, and she's the one that'll take the heat for them. Why not let that heat come from the other side? Why do you (or Romney, or Giuilini, or McCain) feel the compulsion to do their condemning for them? Especially when (1) they'll do it anyway, (2) yours will never be good enough for them and (3) they'll still attribute ownership of her remark to all of us anyway.

You can make the "we're better than that/we should stick to the high road" case all you want, and it won't necessarily be wrong or unjustified. And no, in her place I would not have said what Ann Coulter did. But that will win the center-right no political or PR brownie points, because the "game" we're in has no rules. That we keep expecting it to is why we're losing, and will continue to lose until we start...well, fighting back.

Pugnacity is what the grassroots want to see, Dean. If the only pugnacity our side can muster is also accompanied by a poor choice of words, so be it. Right now, it's the only game in town.
SC 937-0176 CEC writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 12:51 PM
Ann is a media tart
I have to laugh....I was kicked off Ann Coulter's chat board on her website because I called a fellow poster a "Dhimmi" when he stuck up for McDonalds right to serve beef blessed by Imams. I was banned for "name calling". "Dhimmi" was deemed "name calling". Coulter is the biggest name caller herself and this is just another incident. What high hypocrisy. There are ways to speak and get ones point across without be a viper. I guess Ann hasn’t had enough attention lately so she had say something “shocking” so she can get talked about in the media. She also sits up on Hannitys show and professes she is a "christian" and always wears a cross around her neck. She is a bad example of Christ and she is a bad example of the conservative agenda
Randy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 12:26 PM
SJR
I get your drift.Wood I be remiss in pointing out that this blogversation has gotten beyond the limits of Webster. Playing dumb(on my part), for humors' sake, is not an invitation to titillate../PC on..."those of the other persuasion"./PC off.. Sticks and cigarettes with teeth are creepy.
-Kilroy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 11:51 AM
bobj - How dare you?
You can't use the word Jesus. Especially if you are a government employee or using government property or be a member of a government subsidized organization (college/university).
Doesn't matter that it's a (weak) attempt to rile the faithful.
terri writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 11:37 AM
Ann Coulter
Wow, I think this is the first time you and I have to agree to disagree. I get her point. I thought it was obvious and right on the mark. Sorry, count me in as one of those who refused to be politcially correct. Do I use that word? No. Would I? No. But would I use it to make an important point about free speech? Maybe!!!
bobj writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 11:24 AM
To all
1) Ann didn’t really call Edwards a faggot.

"I was going to have a few comments on the other son of God Jesus Christ, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the words ‘faggot charlatan,’ so I — so kind of an impasse, can’t really talk about Jesus"

manfred writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 11:23 AM
Will
I love the Bible passages. I suppose Guliani ought to watch out for Leviticus 18:6 "None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness"

I suppose Ann Coulter is a sinner, since John Edwards is not gay:

Lev 19:16 "Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people..."

And, of course, I assume you all follow the strict rules about food found in Lev. 11:4, for example:

"Nevertheless these shall ye not eat..."

including, say, pork, bacon etc.

Lev 11:7 "and the swine, though he divide the hoof, and he be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you" 11:8 "Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."
Seafood? Be careful!

Lev 11:12: "whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the water, that shall be an abomination unto you."

I could go on. Man, the troubles one must have finding turtledoves to sacrifice when he has a running sore (Lev 15:14)!

Give me a break. Leviticus is a savage book written by savage people. You ignore 98% of what it says, and cherrypick the rules about homosexuality because you don't like homosexuals.

Your two NT passages don't really address homosexuality directly. The Romans passage says they pay a penalty -- well, they keep paying it, since earthly government (and bigots like you) make them second class citizens. The I Cor. passage actually says nothing about homosexuality at all -- it is about sex rules in general.
What did Jesus say about homosexuality? Not a word. He just said we should love our neighbor like ourselves.
-Kilroy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 11:20 AM
Phlagged?
It seems this topic is being shut down with philters on certain words and phrases.
-Kilroy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 11:14 AM
Randy
Phaggots are assembled for burning.
Fire=Bad.
Also, one can use the fire from the burning phaggots to light a phag.
Smoking=Bad.

So, yes, on several levels, smoking phags is bad.

It is not yet clear that the mere existance of phags is bad though (although it has been argued in some circles). Many trial lawyers (likely including Edwards himself) believe the revenues generated by exporting phags to Africa, Asia and Europe for consumption there is fine and well worth any health concerns one may have for those people who enjoy a phag from time to time (not to be confused with "those people" which is just a code word for "those people").

I suppose it's possible to enjoy a phag without smoking it. Occasional oral gratification comes to mind as a possible use. Still there are other oral health concerns to be considered from that as well. I don't know if it's measurably worse than just "rubbing". Both are considered bad when done in excess. I guess all things in moderation. If you wanna smoke a phag, do it. When you run out try rubbing. Just don't whine if it all comes back to bite you.


Bob Miller writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:57 AM
Enough of Ann
Is it enough to be a celebrity, or is it better to be smart and not dumb? Ann Coulter has opted for celebrity. Providing gift-wrapped ammo to the other side is dumb.

Will writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:51 AM
Bjorn
"And with a man you shall not lie with as a man lies with a woman; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Leviticus 20:13

"Because of this [idolatry], God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error." Romans 1:26-27

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Is that clear enough for you?
markdas writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:30 AM
good site
all stuf
Watch It Burn writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:30 AM
reading these comments makes me....
horrifed that some of these people think of themselves as Republican.

Randy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:27 AM
Can't get my mind around libthink
SJR
Do I need to apologize for being so dense? I understand that smoking a faggot is not right minded but the stick thing has me stumped.
prospero writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:22 AM
consensus?
Couldn't we find, at the end of the day, a reasonable consensus here: Coulter should be criticized and condemned (by anyone so inclined, of course--I would include myself there) but not excommunicated? As quite a few people have noted, what is at stake is refusing to internalize the Left's rules and methods, which involve constantly finding new ways to demonize and de-legitimate those who disagree with them so that, at last, no one will be allowed to speak but themselves, at least in the fora they control. We need to show we can reject vile statements in the strongest terms in order to encourage those making them (assuming we also value a lot of what they say) to moderate their speech and behavior in the future, not to "mark" them as irredeemably fascist, or whatever. So, those who declare that they will never share a podium (or a website?) with Coulter should accept the hopefully lonely consequences of their decision (but if they do share space with her, by all means feel free to address the question of her rhetoric--perhaps she will surprise you with an apology--or a defense of her words you hadn't considered).
-Kilroy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:09 AM
geeze Randy
The harvesting and bundling of sticks is a direct assault on the planets most defenseless living things. Trees! Besides, burning sticks contribute to one's carbon footprint. And cigarettes! No right thinking person could defend these insults. On this, there can be no debate!
Joe writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:04 AM
Liberal Fantasy
Here is Steven Weber trying to be funny about going on a date with Ann Coulter: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/my-date-with-ann_b_42525.html Weber is a hack and stole this idea from a very notorious OTT blogger fantasy about Coulter that has been floating around the web for some time. It involves frequent use of the other F-word, including in its title. Let's just say some on the left have issues with Ann.

A lot of Ann Coulter's popularity seems mostly due to how pissed off she makes the left. Well as much as I am not a Coulter fan, I have to admit that is a gift. Ann stirs even more frenzy in the left that Michael Moore does to the right. Ann embarassed the GOP more than the Dems or Edwards with her latest stunt, but it is fun to see those on the left freak out over it.
Randy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 10:02 AM
Webster just confuses the issue
Why would somebody need to go to rehab for calling someone a "bundle of sticks" or a "cigarette"?
Joe writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 9:49 AM
Strange Thread
This one of the strangest threads ever. I am frankly surprised how many folks love Ann Coulter.

I have always found her a bit grating--so I not neutral on this.
-Kilroy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 9:40 AM
I am mostly conservative
yet rarely wear a suit, opting instead for casual wear (khakis and golf shirts). Does that make me a conservative in drag? Of course, I do have some libertarian leanings but it's mostly youthful experimentation. Playing at being bi-political, I guess. I think that, once I find the right conservative candidate I'll put all that nonsense behind me (so to speak). It really results from a childhood trauma. I had this weird uncle (hippie type) who took me to a drum circle. The whole thing just left a really bad taste in my mouth. Mostly from not bathing or brushing for the week.
Will writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 9:24 AM
seriously
Gay's are not one of the legally protected "minorities." They do notdeserve tho be equated to blacks and the suffering they underwent. They are nothing but a perversion, an aberration. Their behavior should be abhorent to all Conservatives.

We should not be any more concerned with hurting their feelings than we should about hurting a pedophiles feelings. What next, do we extend protected status to members of NAMBLA? What about those who practice beastiality? Do Conservatives stand for anything resembling morality, or are we simply Libertarians in drag?

Why are we respecting or accepting the Left's definition of what is acceptable speech and what isn't. Are we now saying that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle? Are Conservative "mainstreaming" "the love which must not be named?"

You cannot be a Conservative and unprincipled at the same time, only Liberals can make such a claim.
-Kilroy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 9:03 AM
Critical questions for our times!
If you are inclined to gay bashing, and the result is that your efforts have all been fruitless, have you, in fact, been successful?

If you wish for a gay basher that his efforts are fruitless does that make you homophobic or a supporter of gay rights?

Will writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 8:48 AM
You win Dean
.
I changed my mind, you're right Ann should apologize for her comment. I think she should say something like the Democrats always say when they issue a faux apology for the egregious things they routinely say:

“I did not call John Edwards a "faggot," if I had called John Edwards a "faggot" then that would have been wrong, but since I did not call John Edwards a "faggot," I don’t feel it is encumbent on me to apologize for calling John Edwards a "faggot." What I said was that I was afraid that I would be hauled off if I used the word "faggot," so I am not going to talk about John Edwards. I did not say that John Edwards is a "faggot." I did not mean to imply that John Edwards is a "faggot. Even if I thought that John Edwards was a "faggot," I would never say "John Edwards is a "faggot," I would say that he is "gay." If anyone was offended because they thought that I called John Edwards a "faggot" then I apologize for them misunderstanding what I said.”
-Kilroy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 8:18 AM
Critucal Bill
"Fruitless effort" heh.
-Kilroy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 8:12 AM
Would Edwards like it
if we bent him over and pumped his coffers full of our white hot sticky Coulter Cash?
-Kilroy writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 8:02 AM
Ann is way off base!
She should be sent to rehab for suggesting that she would be sent to rehab for using such uhhhh errrrr ummmm.

Oh F*&% Halliburton!
Aitch748 writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 6:27 AM
Among those who insist "faggot" is OK...
Are we also pants-wetting pansies for still holding on to the notion that "n*gger" is beyond the pale? If Ann decides in another public talk to say something like "saying the word 'n*gger' in public can get you in trouble, so it's hard for me to discuss Obama," and we respond by saying that Ann just shoved her foot into that undisciplined mouth of hers again, do we thereby just prove that we're RINOs at best? I mean, if the standards on the Right are not what we thought they were, it'd be nice to get some clarification.

(Sidenote: This website wouldn't take my post until I added an asterisk to "n*gger." Well, at least Townhall.com still has limits.)
Calder73 writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 6:21 AM
left wing bloggers droppin' the F bomb
http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2007/03/if_ann_coulter_was_wrong_and_s.php

I don't defend Ann's comments. She's more than capable of defending herself. I wasn't offended (strong language doesn't give me the *vapors*), but it was the wrong forum for comments like that. What I'm tired of is the double standard imposed on Conservatives. The mayor of New Orleans wants to rebuild a city of color (exclusively for African Americans?) and crickets chirp. Bill Maher says the assasination of Vice President Cheney would mean "less people would die" (a positive outcome) and it seems few Americans care. Liberal commentators seem free to say whatever ugly, hateful things pop into their heads and there are dang few consequences if any. Heck, some are even offered jobs working for presidential campaigns. There is no acknowledgement from their side that conservatives (or Christians, or caucasians, or men, etc.) even have a right to be offended.
I'm just steamed about the injustice of a bunch of hypocrites who have no regard for courtesy or civil discourse appointing themselves as word police. And then turn around and violate their own rules when it's conveniant.
(apoligies for my spelling)
Critical Bill writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 5:54 AM
Looks like
Dr Tesla spent his whole Sunday posting on this thread. Way to go! What a life he must lead... but it looks like it's going to be a fruitless effort. Coulter is now a paraiah not just for Democrats but the Republicans are running a mile too. Hard luck Annie - looks like you crossed the line and unless a very large slice of humble pie is consumed it's going to be tough making a comeback. Good riddance to bad rubbish...
Snooper writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 4:59 AM
Hosekuervo said...
"...I've always suspected that Fear, Hatred and Bigotry were the real values of Conservatives..."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

It is the Socialist Leftinistra that have the Corner Market on that Mantra! Too funny there, slick!

Try again. Your Lameness abounds!!!! LOL!!!
Hosekuervo writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 4:45 AM
Poor Ann
The anorexia is obviously affecting her brain. But at least she has an excuse.
I LOVE the fact that conservatives are defending her comments. The attempted spin of "She didn't really call him a faggot" is absolutely priceless. Anyone with the least little bit of class or dignity would denounce her remarks. But a lot of Conservatives are so deep in their fantasy worlds that they don't believe her hatespeak hurts the movement at all.
I personally believe Ann should be named the Official Spokesperson for the Conservative Movement and that all Americans be required to listen to her. A 60+ filibuster proof Democratic Senate in 2008 would be the result.
I've always suspected that Fear, Hatred and Bigotry were the real values of Conservatives. Seeing people defending this psycho certainly confirms my suspicions.
lilly writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 4:25 AM
Coulter's Poor Judgment
When Ms Coulter went to law school, perhaps she learned that a prosecuting attorney can call the defendant a name in court knowing full well that the defense attorney will immediately object and the judge will sustain the objection and possibly warn the prosecuting attorney for saying something like "this murderer, this foul fiend...". He KNOWS that the name-calling will be disallowed but that, having been spoken, it will linger in the minds of all who heard it. So could we please not hear any nonsense about this being a case of freedom of speech? It was a case of poor judgment. There are at least ten thousand ways to call somebody a foul name, and Coulter used one of them.
soothsayer writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 2:48 AM
OK Tesla I get it . . .
. . . you're a satirist - just not a very good one.
Petrovian writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 2:07 AM
Best post of the day!!
By Dan

Dan writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 1:57 PM
Give it up!
Get a life!

This is sham outrage, and you know it.

This is as ridiculous as Hewitt demanding McCain get out there and issue some edict, some Papal Bull declaring Romney's Mormonism off limits, and out of bounds.

Ann Coulter, whether you approve of her or not, whether you like her or not, whether she makes you laugh or not, is going to be part of the political discourse in this country, by virtue of her speaking style, her humour, her frequent appearances AND her BESTSELLING books.

That's a fact.

These "Oh the humanity" interludes from tut-tutting Republicans only leads Democrats TO INCREASED displays of hysteria and only leads them to make CONTINUAL demands upon Republicans, such as it when it comes to Limbaugh, Gingrich, and more recently Allen.

Because men like you take off like affrights when the robust collision of thought and idea takes place, you're making it easier for our domestic opponents to believe that we can be pushed around.

You're HEARTENING the Democrats.

You're HEARTENING the Left.

You're allowing them to continue to DICTATE their social agenda.

You're ALLOWING them to continue DICTATING what WE are going to consider acceptable and appropriate.

The rational amongst us, the savvy, those capable of seeing that this discussion about Coulter is really about something else, are sadly STUNNED at the eagerness of Republicans to echo in THOUGHT as well as in deed the social attitudes of the Democrat.

We complain of speech codes on campus, yet we're IMPOSING speech codes at CPAC.

We complain about the various political correct platitudes circulating about the UN, the Arab League, the value of continued diplomacy with Iran, YET we impose SIMILAR political correctness at CPAC, and utter similar platitudes when denouncing a woman from our ranks.

This is surreal.

This is just like when David Horowitz tried to run ads against reparations.

This is just like when the media drove out Limbaugh, and did so by mischaracterizing what he said.

This isn't about Coulter, and it really, it never was.

And least of all, was it about the wimp from North Carolina, Edwards.

This is ALL about the GOP CONTINUING to echo the social pathologies of the left. This is all about the GOP being an echo of the left, the media, the elites.

You're trying to earn media love, earn media plaudits, You're trying to demonstrate you're a good little Conservative blogger.

You're being a good little dhimmi.

Congratulations.
manfred writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 2:06 AM
Noah Zark
There are many silly things in your post, so I will limit myself to only a few. First. The Bill Maher analogy is stupid because a) he doesn't speak at events that feature Democratic Presidential candidates and b) he doesn't call himself a Democrat or represent Democratic voters or policies.
As for the difference between Bush and gays -- gays are private citizens (except, say, a certain Senator from SC); Bush is a public figure. Even the LAWS are different regarding what one can say about a public figure. But when you make yourself a public figure, you get called names. So -- if Ann Coulter wants to call John Edwards names, I suspect he can take it. But if she wants to use an offensive slur, it is good to know who is with her and who is against her.
There are no laws against the expression of disgust about homosexuality -- and no one has implied that any legal consequences should result from Coulter's nonsense. But anyone who thinks that being gay is disgusting deserves to be ostracized socially -- it is a barbaric position and reflects a myopic worldview.
Noah Zark writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 1:52 AM
fulldroolcup
When the word "faggot" has to be written as "F**g**T, as one poster has done here, we've descended into the utter ridiculous. You would think we were talking about Yahwe.

Listen up: homosexuals should not be denied their civil rights to behave privately as they wish, but there is NO LAW against people who find their private or public behavior immoral and disgusting from expressing their feelings.
That's where the First Amendment steps in.

There is NO DIFFERENCE in using such a term than there is in calling Paris Hilton a sl*t (the actual word being forbidden by this site) or GW Bush a Nazi (a word NOT forbidden by this site!) ---the latter something libs do all the time.

Wanna tell me that Bush is fair game, but homosexuals are not? Baloney. To make that case you have to argue that homosexuals are a protected political species. Bullbleep.

Brian J: did you know that Bill Maher expressed disappointment that VP Cheney wasn't killed in the Afghanistan attacK? That OK with you? Will you, and all you lib moonbat hypocrites seeking to impale Coulter on a stake, condemn HIM too?

If not, you betray yourselves as..... lib moonbat hypocristes.

As to the clown who said that conservatives engage in Coulter's kind of name-calling all the time.... then it should be easy to point out the conservative websites that have had to remove hundreds of vicious comments, as have Moveon.org, HuffPoo and DailyKos. Please! Have at it!!
Wacky writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 12:57 AM
*sigh* It's called Courtesy.
There is one thing that no one in this blog has even considered, and I think it's rather sad after almost 200 posts...

If someone were to comment that the word "faggot" would be most appropriate applied to you, would you be Angry, and think that person out of line?

If yes, then it is wrong, even if a very witty person said it. Low brow comedians get away with that kind of shtick, not people who hold themselves out to be more than that.

If no, then please, call everyone you meet in the street a faggot. I'm sure they'll find the same acceptance and tolerance that you have.

Looked at objectively, calling anyone a faggot is offensive and wrong. Just because you support Ms Coulter does not mean that you have to support her when she's being offensive.
Dr. Tesla writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 12:45 AM
Anybody Hear HIllary.....
try to talk like a southern black woman when she went down to the black church in the south. That was hilarious, and painful, at the same time. It's always interesting to listen to white liberals like the Clintons, Gore, and Kerry when they go to black churches...their speech patterns mysteriously change...why doesn't this offend black people at all? Are they really so dense they don't get that these white liberals are play acting?
richard mcenroe writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 12:40 AM
Good News, Everybody!
Andrew Sullivan Thanks Ann Coulter!

Thank God the REAL conservative has spoken up!
Dr. Tesla writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 12:32 AM
Democrats are SHeets Byrd Apologists
I forgot to mention that Byrd said the n-word on tv 2 or 3 times a few years ago. DOes that count against Byrd since it's more recent? Or did the NAACP give Byrd a free pass on that too, b/c the NAACP cares more about socialism than fighting racism these days? I don't remember Democrats granting forgiviness to Strom Thurmond's racist past. In fact, Trent Lott was piled on for about 2 months for praising Strom Thurmond on his 100th birthday. Democrats like Kerry and others praise Sheets Byrd all the time, and no black civil rights group blinks an eye. THE MAN WAS IN THE KKK, and YOU apologize for him. That makes you a racist.
Dr. Tesla writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 12:27 AM
Double Standard
You can forgive Robert Sheets Byrd for being in the KKK, a white supremacist hate group, but you want to cruxify Ann Coulter for saying the word "faggot" one time on stage. Do you realize how stupid you come across?
soothsayer writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 12:22 AM
Dr. Tesla must be . . .
. . . a fan of the metal band Tesla, as they are equally insufferable.

As for the tired old Byrd/KKK story, a few facts are in order: Byrd was indeed a member of the Klan - in early 1940, for one year, when he was 24 years old. Ancient history. Long story short - the NAACP gave Byrd an approval rating for the 2003-2004 session of Congress. Surely you can do better than something that happened 65 years ago . . . can't you?
Dr. Tesla writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 12:11 AM
Joe Blow Dean
I think you need rehab, Joe. You don't seem capable of one coherent thought.
Dr. Tesla writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 12:09 AM
Liberal BLowhard Returns
Liberal Blowhard,

Your attempt to portray Republicans in the South as racists is pathetic. Go preach to the choir on one of the liberal blogs. I don't want to talk to a liberal race baiter. You are clueless because you don't even understand what Ann Coulter's joke was. You think it was about gays. It wasn't. You want to portray Ann as a bigot because that fits into your leftwing political agenda. I understand that. But the fact is, Democrats have a lot of racists in their closet, and if you want to play racial politics, it's not going to come out well for your party. Your liberal hero is Sheets Robert Byrd. Don't come in here lecturing me about Coulter when you Democrats worship a former KKK member.
Joe writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 11:57 PM
Who are you Dr. Tesla?
Come on--you are not a real person. Are you Walter, or Snap, or Toady? Come on, you are a sock puppet. Who are you?

Just don't call me a bundle of sticks or go to rehab or anything crazy like that.
Dale writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 11:53 PM
Liberal Blowhard you say
I may be liberal, but your post reveals you to be the blowhard. Your take-away from my post was: “Liberals have to believe anybody that doesn’t vote for them on the issues has to be a racist, sexist, homophobe.” I did not say that and I certainly don’t believe that. My actual words, my friend, were: “That is not to say that most current Southern voters are avowed racists, but one suspects that that is still a component of the South's solid support for Republicans.” I earlier described this component as large enough to impact close elections, which, as I read the election results, means I was saying the bigot vote must be 1-2%. Do you deny this? No, instead you falsely characterize my argument for the purpose of knocking down a straw man.


Yes, I know that more Republicans legislators voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than did Democrats. That was BEFORE THE PARTIES REALIGNED. (As was slavery, I believe, but you might want to double-check that since I don’t understand the “historical context.”) In 1964, the Republican party had a “liberal wing” (remember Nelson Rockefeller), and the Southern Democrats were pro-segregation. However, it was President Johnson who deserves most of the credit for the passage of the law; afterwards, Johnson famously predicted that the South would stop voting Democratic which is, of course exactly what happened. So let me get this: you really believe that the realignment of the parties was caused 100% by issues such as low taxes, strong military, the right to life, and other issues divorced from racial politics, and had nothing whatsoever to do with racial issues which were, shall be way, somewhat prominent in the South in the 60’s and 70’s. Have you drunk the Kool-Aid?

Of course, you and everyone else ignored my central point, which is that the reaction of the readers of this blog to Dean’s post proves, sadly, that a significant component of his readers are less enlightened than him, i.e., they think it is appropriate to call someone (or joke about calling someone) a faggot in polite society. So I don’t say you have to be a bigot because you disagree with me. But I do say that those who defend Coulter’s “joke” are bigots (or, perhaps clueless).
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 11:46 PM
Ann Coulter is in Rehab....
Coulter was suppose to be on Matt Drudge's radio show tonight, but Drudge says that he got word that Coulter is in rehab. She is on the road to perdition for her hate speech and transgressions against mankind. :)
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 11:27 PM
Joe the Hick
Joe writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 11:20 PM
Protein Wisdom on the Subject
http://proteinwisdom.com/index.php?/weblog/entry/22559/

Summary: Ann Coulter does not speak for me so why should I respond to her.


Dr. Tesla: Who the f--- is asking you to respond to Ann Coulter? You are voluntarily bitching about her. Get a life, man.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 11:25 PM
cmoore
I think this lady is drunk. Somebody put her to bed.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 11:22 PM
Your Dean is No Conservative
Rush and Hannity are friends. Neither one of them are friends with O'Rielly. You don't know what you are talking about. The Maccacca thing was something generated by the liberal media..it was typical race baiting used by the left against conservatives. Allen only mistake was not responding to that well enough. Comparing Ann Coulter to Michael Moore is absurd....Ann Coulter is articulate, has a law degree, and doesn't outright lie to advance her cause. Moore just edits film footage to present an image that fits his socialistic propaganda. I'm not so sure that Allen would have won even if liberals were not successful in their predictable race baiting in Virginia, that state is becoming a very liberal area.

Your Dean is a nobody. Nobody knows who that guy is. If he hadn't started this attack thread on Coulter, I would have never known who he is. Why you support a guy that supported Jim Webb and bashed on Coulter out of professional jealousy is beyond me if you are truly a conservative. It's safe to assume that neither you or your precious Dean are all that conservative.
Joe writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 11:20 PM
Protein Wisdom on the Subject
http://proteinwisdom.com/index.php?/weblog/entry/22559/

Summary: Ann Coulter does not speak for me so why should I respond to her.
cmoore writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 11:15 PM
Get a grip !
Introspective, thoughtful, self aware, appropriately self critical, these have always been among the kinds of traits I have found attractive about conservatives. I take pride in this. I have for some time now found this kind of “bomb throwing” offensive because it does not represent what I respect.

Somewhere we changed our public discourse from:
“I disagree with you”
to
“I hate you, you idiotic, fascist, baby killing, faggot, creep, I hope you die!!!”

Its not funny.

Anyone who does not find this counterproductive does not understand what’s really at stake. Our political process is under siege by this kind of speech and as long as we don’t feel compelled to raise the bar and force civil discussion were doomed. I wish all this “......Disgusting Stupid...” speech would burn itself out. We are better than this people.
Joe writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 11:11 PM
Oh Dr. Tesla
Rush is actually a serious conservative. He is self admittedly an entertainer.

Hannity is a true believer, but he is all about perjoritives. There is no love BTW between Rush and Hannity. If Bill O'Reilly is the big pugnacious populist Irishman, Hannity is his little bantam conservative brother. Ann Coulter is all about Ann, whether she is shocking the CPAC or hanging with Bill Maher. Don't you get it--Ann is the conservative version of Michael Moore.

I am surprised you are so anti Dean. All he did was point out Allen was an idiot. Allen would be Senator today if he did not step in Maccaca. Why that is Dean's fault is beyond me.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 10:56 PM
This thread
This thread
needs to be dead... Enough already...


Why? I didn't realize a thread had an expiration date or time.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 10:51 PM
Ronald Reagan
Near the end of his presidency, Reagan called Rush Limbaugh and told Rush that he was now the leader of the conservative movement. Sean Hannity's is LImbaugh's protege. Futhermore, Limbaugh's hero and mentor was William Buckley. In addition, Buckeley has appeared on Hannity's show numerous times. Your pathetic attempt to demonize Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter by pretending you loved Reagan and Buckley is a joke. Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter all have ties to Reagan. Webb was the creep, and ALlen is no idiot. Webb made sexist comments about women in the military, and he wrote pedophilic material in his books. Yet your boy Dean supported that creep over George Allen, and you are cool with that? I think you need to stop the pretense...you are no conservative. Why don't you go watch Bareback Mountain? I know you have the collector's edition. :)
Keemo writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 10:44 PM
This thread
needs to be dead... Enough already...
Joe writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 10:40 PM
Dr. Tesla
Is being a conservative rolling around in the mud with Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity? Come on Dr. Tesla, I thought you were smarter than that.

There was a time that being a conservative was about principals. Guys like William F. Buckley and Ronald Reagan were promoting.

I don't recall Dean supporting Jim Webb. What he said was George Allen was an idiot. He was. Jim Webb did not beat Allen. Allen beat Allen. Nothing Dean said (or you could have said) was going to change that.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 10:35 PM
half hour news show
the half hour news show is the funniest show on tv other than The Office. I wish that I could have seen Dean's fat face when Coulter was made acting president by Limbaugh on the show. I wish they had updated the show to have something about recent Coulter-gate. :)
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 10:32 PM
I have mentioned grey's anatomy
Barnett made no attempt to understand the joke. I have pointed out the reference to grey's anatomy several times. He's not really a conservative, so he's not interested in anything but bashing Coulter. The funny thing is he supported Jim Webb in Virginia, who writes in his books about sick sexual acts involving children, and then says these acts on children were not sexual when he is criticized.
not ashamed to be right writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 10:19 PM
Here we go again with this baloney!
Once again there are close to 200 posts and NO mention of Ann's comment DIRECTLY being related to the ABC television show, Grey's Anatomy (incident between two of the actors on the set.)
If Dean truly read ALL his emails he would have found mine which specifically TOLD him about this correlation as well as describes the "famous incident" between the show's actors.
Instead his column today STILL leaves that important information out just so that many posters can continue to "hate on Ann." I think Dean is deliberately trying to stir up trouble where none is to be found. He should be ashamed for inciting readers without giving ALL the information to allow readers to come to their own conclusion. That ticks me off (and maybe he will read my email (nicely worded) telling him so!
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:53 PM
Barnett Supported Webb?
Why is Barnett on Townhall.com? I thought this was a conservative website.

That Webb guy is a total creep. He describes a young naked boy running up to his dad, and his dad picking the boy up and putting the boy's pe-nis in his mouth. When this was exposed to the general public by George Allen, WEbb defended it , saying that this was not a sexual act. That is just creepy. It makes you wonder what Webb does with his own kids, or somebody elses kid.

Barnett is all worked up over Coulter saying "faggot", but he supports a guy like Webb that writes a lot of creepy sexual stuff in his books? Shouldn't writing about men put a boy's pen-is in his mouth be "inappropriate" if saying "faggot" in a joke at a GOP pow-wow is inappropriate?
Old Whig writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:46 PM
Missing the point, again
Again, Barnett wants Ann to apologize and stop using such offensive words, but I still don't see his apologies for using terms like idiotic and moronic to describe Ann.

The difference between using the n-word to describe blacks and using "f*gg*t to describe gays is this: blacks cannot choose to be another race. A person's choice of lifestyle is always open to criticism because it IS a choice (please don't try the gay-is-genetic on me; been there, done that).

Furthermore, I believe that God condemns making someone an "offender for a word" (Isaiah 29:20-21), for those of you who insist that Ann is unChristian.

Let's look a little closer at this one. Who was it that called the Pharisees and Sadducees "vipers," "thieves," and "Children of the Devil?" Was it not Jesus? Why? Because he was criticizing their choices, and not things they cannot change.

Additionally, the term "Mormon" was once a derogatory term used to describe members of the LDS church. Yet we see it commonly used in reference to Mitt Romney. Why doesn't he take offense to it?

I'll leave that for you to ponder...
Fever Swamp writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:42 PM
Dean Barnett is a disgrace
I really love a guy that drooled all over Jim Webb during the Virginia senate race wanting to evaluate Ann Coulter's contribution (or lackthereof) to either the republican or conservative cause.

To steal a line from Ann, Dean Barnett is nothing more than a "girly boy". Unfortunately, it looks like Hugh is wanting to join the club.

jb writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:32 PM
To keep beating a dead horse
Here I thought Hugh & Co. were big-tent Republicans. I guess the tent ain't big enough for AC. I want her on my side, inappropriate remarks and all.

The Left is always outraged - OUTRAGED - at something. Why go along with 'em? It never gets us anywhere.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:32 PM
Half Hour News Show with Coulter in 30
The Half Hour News show on Fox News at 10:00 will feature Ann Coulter as VP and LImbaugh as President. I want all the Coulter-haters, including the good Dean, to watch. She might say faggot again, so you can remain in your hysterical state for another month. :)
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:26 PM
Al Gore
How about the news that Al Gore purchases carbon offsets from his own company, but he uses this as an example of how he personally does his part to stop global warming. This was in response to the news that his electric and gas bills for his mansion were sky high. Al Gore loves to tell everybody that they need to reduce their carbon footprint, but he won't ever move into a smaller house or stop flying around in private jet planes. :)
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:20 PM
Conservatives don't hate "faggots"
The guy above is a liberal playing his stereotype of a conservative. He claims we hate the gay people. Liberals are too easy to spot.
Khan writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:17 PM
Coulter deserves support
Ann C. should be treated as a hero. She tells it like it is - all true conservatives hate faggots anyway. So we we lose the gay vote. So what? Who wants gays around anyway? The Christian conservative majority will dominate the next election, just like the last one. Allowing Ann to be ripped to shreds make us no better than the liberals and their delicate sensibilities, and babble about compassion and other woosy garbage. We shouldn't be afraid to be crusaders. Toughen up.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:15 PM
To Angel
I think Kerry is the scrawny one. You need to see an optometrist. Bush would easiy win a fight with Kerry. Kerry's 4 months in Vietnam (where he lied to get medals and get out of Vietnam early) doesn't make him a tough guy, despite his pathetic attempt to make us believe that. :)
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:12 PM
Whateva, whateva
You can stop pretending you are a conservative. Everything you say is a token liberal viewpoint. Give it up and go back to the Daily Worker website forum. A true conservative would want Cheney to run, because Cheney is a true conservative.

Cheney could spank Hillary, Obama, or Edwards. He is the man, and you fear him like no other conservative. Libby was indicted in a witchhunt, that valerie plame lady was not a covert agent and she arranged for her Democrat hack husband to go to Africa (nepotism), so no crime could be have been commmitted. You cannot out a CIA agent that does not have covert status. Her husband more or less forced the Bush adminstration to reveal her identity because he lied and said Cheney sent him to Africa. If Libby goes to jail, that is one of the biggest mistakes our justice system has ever made...almost as big as letting OJ go free despite DNA evidence.
angel66 writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:02 PM
who you calling gay?
swimmerkennedy writes:

John Edwards is a "fa*got"... Any 50-something man who walks around with a limp wrist and looks like Jack McFarland, albeit with a 1970's hairdo, is a f*g in my book

so you must despise michael medved.

you neo-con tough guys are great. your war heroes are the college cheerleader who hid out of nam with his daddy's help and a ceo businessman who spent his life avoiding harm's way while the "weak" lib joined to kill for his country and prosecuted criminals.

speaking of game shows, if the debates were actual fights , john kerry would have kicked george bush's scrawny spoiled butt.


Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 9:02 PM
Response to BD
Coulter's best selling books didn't hurt the cause. She's done more for conservativism than you ever will. You are just some nobody attacking her from behind your computer. This Coulter "scandal" hasn't prevented one person from discussing political ideas if they chose to do so. It's uptight conservatives like you that are choosing to obsess over what Coulter said, and worrying about what liberals will say. If you haven't figured that liberals are going to stereotype conservatives as bigots no matter what we say, you are a lost cause.
redeemed writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:59 PM
Dean B.
Dear Dean, you still don't get it. It is not an either/or. Not a 1,2,3. Ann will be Ann ,your opinion is yours but unnecessary to your and her readers/listeners. Are you addressing the moonbats? Tally Hoo. Our comments were mostly,she was offensive in that particular case,
yet is entitled to her message. You don't even need to comment, with omlettes et al,moonbat dung chest high,etc. We'll do it for you. Focus man ...focus! Dr T in San Diego
mbabbitt writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:58 PM
Dean, you have it right
When people on the Right can't see what's wrong with using such obviously offensive language, I say we have already lost the culture war. To meet the Left's vast tendency for verbal offensiveness with one's own verbal offensiveness just demonstrates that you agree that offensiveness is an suitable form of discourse -- not strong argument, eloquence, or even direct repudiation. You just gave that form of discourse legitimacy -- and you lost any right to complain about the Left's vulgarity. I am not talking even about strong language -- like calling the current crop Democratic Leaders liars and demagogues -- to me they fit the denotation . I am talking about pure vile profanity. And if some of your readers can't tell the difference, they are still juvenile in their emotional make-up. Say hello to the new Offense Olympics. I want no part of this.
BD writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:56 PM
I'm really surprised
Those of us who are conservatives want conservative ideas to win out. We think they have merit and deserve it.

We know the MSM does everything it can to smother conservative ideas and will never pass up a chance to call us "racist/sexist/warmongering homophobes" (neither will Howard Dean, et al., for that matter).

We believe they do this because THEY DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT - if it's a fair fight of ideas, we win, they lose.

The only virtue of a Coulter is the red meat she provides the troops. Problem is, she plays into every stereotype the left is trying to peddle.

On balance, Coulter's tactics damage the cause - every minute her antics consumes is one less minute devoted to debating ideas.
DanS writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:52 PM
"Bounds of decency"?
Jesus also told them this parable: “Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit?” Luke 6:39

Is it possible that the high number of posts to both Hugh Hewitt and Dean Barnett’s comments regarding Ann Coulter reflect an indignation toward a perceived moral arrogance by Mr. Hewitt for seeking to publicly define the “bounds of decency” on the arbitrary basis of political correctness?

In Mr. Hewitt’s 10/3/2006 interview with former Washington Post senior political writer Thomas Edsall, Mr. Edsall stated, “There's nothing wrong with a gay person in my book,” to which Mr. Hewitt responds, “I agree, completely, 100%.”

How is it that Mr. Hewitt can reject the conservative tenets of biblical revelation, Catholic natural law, as well as the Pope’s statements, and still be considered a arch-conservative in the public square?
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:48 PM
Cheney
I wish Cheney would run for president. He can pound any liberal in a debate...he destroyed the male bimbo Edwards in 04. He's got that cool confidence and he doesnt back down to the liberal attack dogs who seek to demonize him because he once worked for a successful company (oh the horror of a politician who once worked in the private sector!!!)
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:45 PM
You are the hater, not Ann
You're entire post is a hate filled rant directed at Coulter. You project your hate onto her. I see Ann laugh...i rarely see a liberal laugh. What rage and hate fills Ann Coulter? She makes a joke that you didn't like, so she's the devil now? You make accusations that would never hold up in court.
dudley writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:41 PM
We the people
Must've been a great CPAC convention, judging by this thread. Cheney a keynote speaker, Ann Coulter an obvious hit, Mitt running away with the movement vote. The founding fathers really were perspicacious, including "freedom of assembly" in the First Amendment. Think what we might have missed.
Ron writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:39 PM
The heart of AC and some conservatives
Serious and perceptive Christians don't bother parsing words, they can get a pretty decent impression of a person's heart by the person's words. Someone once mentioned that from the mouth is the overflow of the heart. I'd guess Ms Coulter is filled with rage and hate, and so are many (but not most) conservatives. They justify this by saying they hate the Left. I've met many repellant 'Christians' who justify their repellancy by saying they are against liberal Christians or religious liberalism. All part of the same hypocrisy. To Ann and all the haters: please join a 3rd party.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:31 PM
Dean and Hugh Are Radio Talk Show Hosts?
I'm a conservative radio talk show junkie, and I've never heard of these two dainty "conservatives". How many radio stations are they are on? One or two? I see why Dean was dismissing Rush as "just an entertainer". That guy's jealousy is as transparent as Hillary's lesbianism. Rush is on 800 stations and they are a couple of dull guys who can't go national with their show. I wouldn't doubt if they pretend to be conservative, knowing that conservative talk radio is far more popular than liberal talk radio.
PA-Tony writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:19 PM
Dean and Hugh-The PC Conservative Police
Ann used inadequate words to make a joke as most of the blog sites state. Calling Ann an idiot, disgusting,stupid, moronic and trying to exclude her from serious panel discussions and college debates is sickening.Who elected you two as conservative PC police? Your opinions were well taken - stupid as I think they were. However, your boy Romney did not show well at the CPAC Convention like the money they put into the straw vote. And you are pissed at Ann for stealing the headlines?? Hugh and Dean - you chose early for the 2008 presidential elections. I am starting to wonder especially you Dean coming from Boston. Ann is Ann - talk is talk.The Dems won an election by talking trash including their top politicians. Ann over the top in your opinion - why dwell on it and crucifying her is uncalled for. Linda, Dr. Testa,and Docker- go for it. I love reading your comments. Hugh and Dean- I read Townhall every night and listen to you on 990Am from Phila. Please don't lose me with this picayune PC B/S.I'm looking for a winner in 2008 - Giuliani can win the base and general election with Gilmore as a sleeper vice president. McCain/Graham out of sight/mind. Get back to blogging as you do best and cut the Ann Coulter bashing.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:12 PM
My Gameshow Idea and Welfare
My gameshow would also be beneficial to society because it would be a way for liberals to win enough money that they didn't have to depend on conservatives for free handouts. I mean, it's not like liberals are going to work or anything. That's beneath their dignity. :)
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:09 PM
Idea for a Gameshow
I have an idea for a new gameshow for TV. It would involve having a bunch of liberal contestants come on, and letting conservatives hurl verbal jabs at them. The liberal who lasts the longest without the veings popping out of his head and his face becoming red and an angry rant would win a large sum of money. This liberal winner would only have to outlast his fellow libs for a few minutes, maybe even seconds, because liberals so so extremely sensitive and easily offended. I can say something as completely harmless as "I support tax cuts", and a liberal will blow a gasket and call me a racist. :) :)
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 8:04 PM
That's offensive!
Take this "man" to the rack and have him disemboweled. How dare he say emoticons are gay. That is inappropriate in this forum, I proclaim! :) :) :) :)
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 7:59 PM
Hillary-Obama Would be Just as Dumb
Hillary is the most hated Democrat ever, and if Democrat's were smart, they would elect somebody like Evan Byah who probably could win some states in the south if thing went right. Hillary-Obama means another Republican sweep of the south. I know it pisses liberals of that the South is keeping them from winning the presidency. :)
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 7:56 PM
Ann Coulter Isn't GOP
Ann Coulter is a conservative, not a member of the Republican party. The GOP can do better than McCain and the other RINOs that they are forcing on us now. I can't believe you are a guy ("but ann's comment was tasteless"). You sound like somebody's mother. Do you have friends at all?
Joe writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 7:52 PM
Dr. Tesla
No wonder Edison was jealous of you--your insight is enormous. The Dems may be dumb, but they are not dumb enough to nominate Edwards. It will probably be Hillary-Obama.

But Ann's comment was tasteless. And the GOP can do better. Even if you dig leggy blonds.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 7:37 PM
Edwards Can't Win a State in the South
marshallguy301 writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 7:23 PM
Thanks Ann
I love Ann! She makes it easy to ridicule and condemn the GOP who invite her to their annual lynchings and she says what they all really think. She is now raising thousands of dollars for Edwards campaign. She does more damage to the GOP than we could ever do. I hope she is on tv everday. Thank you ann for the 9/11 widows story and the '06 elections...and thank you even more for the '08 elections!

PS -People should ignore Tesla. He is obviously some gay 14 yr old on his parents PC.


Dr. Tesla: I hope Edwards wins the nomination. No southern state is going to vote for a filthy rich trial lawyer who wants to raise taxes and supports abortion on demand. He is a male bimbo whose populist "two americas" political mantra is so old and worn out that it can't be effective. He thinks he is the liberal lawyer hero in a John Grisham book, but he's a lightweight. Everybody thinks he is girlie, and girliemen usually don't win the presidency. See Al Gore and John Kerry's defeat for reference. :)

PS I find it amusing when liberals call me or other conservatives "gay" as an insult, while at the same time calling us homophobes, and beating up on Coulter for saying faggot. The irony is delicious, like a good watermelon on a hot summer day. :)
d206s writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 7:36 PM
Relax Marshallguy301......
Before you start rubbing your sweaty little paws in glee, this will be all over in a few days.

America has the attention span of a 3 year old.

9/11 what ??

2008 is light years for a society obsessed with Anna Nichole something or another.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 7:29 PM
Another liberal blowhard
When the South was racist, it was Democrat. Now that the south is not full of racists, it votes Republican. The reason that the south votes Republican is because southerners value low taxes, stong military, and the right to life. TO suggest that Republicans in the south vote for Republicans because they hate black people is baseless, but typical of a good leftist to suggest. THe Democrat party excels at race baiting, that is, they accuse Republicans of being racist, so that blacks will vote for them out of fear. The Democrat party was the pro-slavery, racist party. Robert Byrd is an old (and amazingly stupid) southern Democrat, and he was in the KKK. You have no historical context to make the case that the Republican party is the racist party. More Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That's just a fact, you liberals can't spin that into something else. Another major reason that liberals can't win in the south is that they always stereotype people in the south as racist, which doesn't exactly make southerners want to vote for Democrats. Nobody likes to be falsly labelled a bigot by some pretentious liberal, and you will keep losing elections in the southern states until you get over this need to stereotype the people in the south as racists. Liberals have to believe anybody that doesnt voe for them on the issues has to be a racist, sexist, homophobe. It can't be possible, in their minds, for somebody to vote republican b/c they want tax cuts or they support nuclear power.
marshallguy301 writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 7:23 PM
Thanks Ann
I love Ann! She makes it easy to ridicule and condemn the GOP who invite her to their annual lynchings and she says what they all really think. She is now raising thousands of dollars for Edwards campaign. She does more damage to the GOP than we could ever do. I hope she is on tv everday. Thank you ann for the 9/11 widows story and the '06 elections...and thank you even more for the '08 elections!

PS -People should ignore Tesla. He is obviously some gay 14 yr old on his parents PC.
Dale writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 7:16 PM
Dirty little secrets
One of the dirty little secrets of the modern conservative movement is that some critical percentage of its support comes from bigots. That is not to say that George Bush or Mitt Romney or Dean Barnett are bigots, but it is to say that if all of the bigots failed to vote in a particular election, it could be fatal to the Republican candidates in a close election. And smart people like Karl Rove and Dick Cheney know this.

This is pretty conclusively proven by the following part of Dean's post:

"A lot of people wrote in saying something like, “Big deal. No one offended by the term ‘faggot’ is going to vote Republican, anyway.” I don’t deny that there are people who don’t consider “faggot” an offensive term."

Is anyone who reads this blog going to suggest the opposite, that people who are not bothered by a homophobic slur are actually found primarily in the Democratic party? Just curious.

Over the past decade, the likes of O'Reilly and Hannity have been perpetrating the idea that the Left is uniquely comprised of "haters." I admit I don't currently hang out with far-lefties (I once lived in Berkeley, but have now lived in Orange County for over 20 years), but it certainly is not consistent with my experience. The Republican Party came into dominance, in large part, after it adopted the Southern Strategy in the late 1960's in an effort to capture "George Wallace Democrats" who opposed the federal civil rights legislation which dismantled the segregated South. That is not to say that most current Southern voters are avowed racists, but one suspects that that is still a component of the South's solid support for Republicans.

I'm reminded of Bob Dole's acceptance speech at the 1996 Republican convention, wherein he announced that, as to any bigots in the room, "the exits are clearly marked." Later at the Democratic convention, Senator Kennedy remarked that no such admonition was necessary because bigots were “not in the room” in the first place. Ouch!

The timing of this is most inconvenient for conservative pundits who were trying to generate faux outrage at liberal blogs for comments posted by anonymous readers about Cheney's possible death. Of course, one expects any movement to have its pro-rata share of nuts and idiots among its members. The differences, of course, is that Coulter is a prominent leader and spokesman for the modern conservative movement, so there a little more accountability here.

As for the freedom of speech argument, this is so far off the mark as to be off the map. Freedom of speech is primarily about protection from restrictions on speech imposed by the government (and if Justice Thomas had his way, just by the federal government). Volunteer organizations have every right to not invite (or implicitly endorse) any speaker whose views they disagree with-- or whose views will bring discredit to the organization. Just like the L.A. Times had the right to publish, or not publish, Robert Scheer's column. You can agree or disagree with the decision, but the Times was clearly within its rights to discontinue Scheer's column. And CPAC has every right to not invite Ann Coulter next year. Of course, that might disappoint its members.
double cappuccino writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 7:14 PM
Odd, such a comment coming from . . .
. . . a drag queen.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 6:57 PM
Tesla vs. Edison
Joe writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 6:40 PM
Edison hated you too Dr. Tesla
Shocking really.


That's because Tesla was brilliant and had more foresight than Edison. Edison was jealous of Tesla just like the good Dean is jealous of Ann Coulter, which is the real basis of his attack on Ann Coulter.
Dr. Tesla writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 6:50 PM
Whateva, you are a blowhard
To say you never thought about two gay men having anal sex is a lie. You have thought about it, and apparently you are not repulsed by it. That is rather abnormal for a straight person, and I think you should take your own advice and see a shrink. YOu are running away from what is natural for straight people, a natural digust of homosexuality. From this, you will conclude that I hate gay people, because you are a simpleton. I cannot control what disgusts me anymore than a gay person can control the fact that he is gay. It's a genetic thing. I don't lie about my natural digust of gayness..that's the difference between being a conservative and a liberal...i am liberated in that I don't have to say certain things that a good little liberal like yourself must. I enjoy that freedom.

You didn't know who Tesla was. You are now trying to pretend that you did. I didn't come to know who Tesla was by watching The Prestige...I was telling you that I based my screenname is based on that character in the movie. Every engineer knows who Tesla is, but you liberals who major in sociology or lesbian studies have no clue who he was.

Why are you so offended by Ann Coulter calling another man a "faggot", even though she never did, and he's even married to a woman? I think you are offended because you are gay. Why don't you come on out of the closet...i promise not to laugh...much. :)
swimmerkennedy writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 6:47 PM
John Edwards is Jack McFarland...
John Edwards is a "fa*got"... Any 50-something man who walks around with a limp wrist and looks like Jack McFarland, albeit with a 1970's hairdo, is a f*g in my book.

What's with the controversy here?

F*ggot, girly-man, p*ssy, wimp, limp-wristed, wuss, etc. We've all used the WORDS, as do the gay mafia everyday. But now it's banned from the lexicon? Please!

That's what Coulter's point.

This controversy is nothing but the PC mafia, with lead-blocking from conservatives, run amok.
Joe writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 6:40 PM
Edison hated you too Dr. Tesla
Shocking really.
IfAFrogHadWings writes: Sunday, March, 04, 2007 6:33 PM
Re: terrye