Tuesday, January 08, 2008
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Paul Fans Prep Ground for Conspiracy Theories
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Posted by:
Mary Katharine Ham at
11:55 AM
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This is the text of a radio ad I've heard in New Hampshire about four times:
New Hampshire has the best primary system in the United States. About 40 percent of the polling places hand-count the ballots in public.But about 60 percent of the polling places process the ballots on an optical scanner Diebold computer.
The problem with the computer counted cities is the ballots are almost always hidden from the people on Election Day.
We are urging the cities using computers to also count the ballots in public at closing time, just like the rest of New Hampshire is doing.That way, if it's a close election, no one will have any doubts about the results.
For example, if Ron Paul wins in the hand-counted cities, would it make sense if he lost big in the computer-counted cities?
See our Watch the Vote half-page ad Sunday in the Manchester Union Leader. Please become a correspondent and help us report the results live on the Internet on primary night. Go to Liberty Broadcast Network.org. I like the "example." Very coy about their allegiances, huh?
Every demographic has its various issues with how elections are run, but New Hampshire is a small state with a pretty good reputation for doing things the right way. Why undermine people's confidence in the election while purporting to help instill confidence. I admire the Paul supporters' enthusiasm, and they make a great sign-waving team, but whenever two or three of them shall come together in his name, there will be unnecessary conspiracy theories.
Update: TNR finds Paul's dirty laundry, in his newsletters of years past. And, by dirty, I mean "racist." Uh-oh.
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Paul will become a footnote in history after the GOP primary. Whatever you think of the man, he does not stand a chance at winning. Anyone who thinks he will pull out some last minute upset is just fooling themselves. |
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Ron Paul is a strict constitutionist. The neocons can't attack him on this so they attack him on foreign policy. His foreign policy isn't divorced from the Constitution. He gets his foreign policy from the Constitution!!! Conservative, like liberals, must think that the government and the people are the same thing. How else can you explain their contention that Ron Paul "blames the US" when he blames government policies.
As far as Hannity goes. Look how he reacts to a few overzealous Ron Paul supporters toting snowballs. He doesn't have the courage to talk to them and runs away. How would Sean react to terrorists coming here? By the way, Sean and the rest of his neocon brothers on the radio never volunteered for the wars they support. |
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"Everybody look what's going down"
"the Paul’s skeletons are partially out of the closet. His newsletters are now infamous. His close connections to the Mises Institute are now public knowledge. For the most part the Mises Institute connections to racists and anti-Semites is still not known, or at least not publicized. Some have noticed and commented on Rockwell’s ties to neo-Confederate (and heavily racialist) groups. But the mentions have been few and far between. At some point some journalist will stumble across that vipers nest and the truth will come out."
"He’s refused to name the author. In addition he claims he can’t remember who it is. So why did he allow this to happen. He says it happened during a transition. Apparently it last several years which is hardly a transition. So why didn’t he stop this when he noticed it. He claims he didn’t notice it because he didn’t read his own newsletter. And apparently no one on his staff, his including his campaign manager, ever saw fit to tell Mr. Paul that bigotry was being promoted from his own office. No subscriber mentioned it to him either. All his closest friends and allies who worked for him apparently conspired to keep him in the dark from what was going on right under his own nose.
That is hardly believable. To make it worse Paul’s office has stated that he will not investigate the matter. He won’t see who was on his staff at the time the newsletter was written. He won’t ask his editor, Lew Rockwell, who wrote this articles. (It should be noted that as editor Rockwell would have toeither approve the articles or write them himself.)"
http://rightwatch.tblog.com/
the mayfly minds, the lightweights, those with hidden agenda's will of course buzz on...
For the rest of us, me included.... this debate, this foment of the unreasoned is finished. |
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"And get back to work, you slacker."
Real evolution is less an rEVOLution (as the aging hipsters cry but it's got LOVE spelled backwards man) and more an adaptation of things that work. Unlike the clear lightweight in this debate or foment, I've no need to lie, have not done so and use the example that events have and can change my political outlook.
Long have I been disenchanted with our two party system, being the man in the middle served by neither as I'm screamed at by the fringe of both.
My explorations into Libertarianism brings me to Mr. Paul his conspiracy theories and a disconcertingly anti-semitic message that I find increasingly mirrored in the liberals of our day. For me, the man in the middle, Jews are my canary in this coal mine of humanity.
Seeing the ineptness of Congress, the UN, any government, any banking system and working in the world of global finance has allowed me to see that global conspiracies of the scope Mr. Paul insists on are beyond the capibilities of mankind... instead I'll apply Occam's Razor to such as Paul and find there is nothing left.
Mr. Paul excites little, attracts the mayfly mind that will buzz for the season and die to the way side... his cult is damning however, killing off Libertarianism and applying the foundation in which the worst of the racist and anti-seismic groups can play Charles Manson with society.
For Mr. Paul the issue is the company he keeps...
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"Mutterings about the past mistakes of the New Republic or the ideological agenda of author James Kirchick are beside the point. Maybe Bob Woodward didn’t like Quakers; the corruption he uncovered in the Nixon administration was still a fact, and that’s all that mattered. Ron Paul’s most visible defenders have denounced Kirchick as a “pimply-faced youth”—so much for their previous enthusiasm about all the young people sleeping on floors for the Paul campaign—and a neoconservative. But they have not denied the facts he reported. Those words appeared in newsletters under his name. And, notably, they have not dared to defend or even quote the actual words that Kirchick reported. Even those who vociferously defend Ron Paul and viciously denounce Kirchick, perhaps even those who wrote the words originally, are apparently unwilling to quote and defend the actual words that appeared over Ron Paul’s signature.
Those words are not libertarian words. Maybe they reflect “paleoconservative” ideas, though they’re not the language of Burke or even Kirk. But libertarianism is a philosophy of individualism, tolerance, and liberty. As Ayn Rand wrote, “Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism.” Making sweeping, bigoted claims about all blacks, all homosexuals, or any other group is indeed a crudely primitive collectivism."
"But we knew the company Ron Paul had been keeping, and we feared that they would have tied him to some reprehensible ideas far from the principles we hold..."
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/01/11/ron-pauls-ugly-ne wsletters/
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"Ron Paul is a physician, not a lawyer, you ignorant wanker."
Sorry mate, no need to go all to cork and get your bag twisted in your knickers. Just having a spot of fun with Ronny Paul, not looking to talk rot. Chin up I'm sure the chap will give you the rodgering you so need.
Cheers
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"BTW, he is a congressman, not a senator. He has the highest rating on economic liberty. As to foreign policy, if you spend a few hours at ronpaullibrary.com and read his press releases and statements on the wars...you might observe he was ON TARGET, not off base..."
You assume after hearing the good ole boy speak everyone gets goose bumps... (or is it steps?) and joins the cult.
One minute in I knew all I needed to about the man. I will admit the company he keeps, the racists the ronbots and incompetent newsletter machine only enforces the initial impressions.
"Balls to the Wall....Tunnel Visionary.....Twist and Shout"....I mean...you think you are winning such great victories for justice and the republican party? Gotta laugh at that one."
Ronbots think everything is a fight as often as they claim hollow victories. Ron is not even worth discussion really, but good foment can get some to think, as it goes over the heads of those that are so wrapped in their dogma they can ignore the world around them...
To you that makes me the heretic, to me you're the apocalyptic fool complete with warnings of woe and doom. No battles needed for we'll always be in different worlds. |
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"You claim his thirty years of incompetence and poor judgment is a straw man, it worries you. "
No, I claim comparing him to " any liar, crook, child molester or drug dealer" is a straw man....nice obfuscation, though.
Jeez, look at your statements....you are one worthless piece of work.
"Balls to the Wall....Tunnel Visionary.....Twist and Shout"....I mean...you think you are winning such great victories for justice and the republican party? Gotta laugh at that one.
The best you have done is torched the whole thing down...but that is the politics of personal destruction is all about. You are a cynical old fart.
"For one thing Paul has a tendency to NOT VOTE on certain key issues that would in fact define the man. To be frank, he is way off base on the anti-terrorism measures and for all I know sells his vote, he is not my senator."
BTW, he is a congressman, not a senator. He has the highest rating on economic liberty. As to foreign policy, if you spend a few hours at ronpaullibrary.com and read his press releases and statements on the wars...you might observe he was ON TARGET, not off base...
Where is binLaden? You want to talk about being off base....the man Bush said would pay, and then later admits he has little concern over? I thought Bush was going to bring justice to the area of terrorism? Yeah, the republicans have really shown the world how threatening they are.....at how many billion? |
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"Still haven't answered me....what in his voting record indicates the man isn't who he is."
For one thing Paul has a tendency to NOT VOTE on certain key issues that would in fact define the man. To be frank, he is way off base on the anti-terrorism measures and for all I know sells his vote, he is not my senator.
Then again the position he is seeking and the views he is pushing are IMO dangerous given one so prone to unawareness and lapse of judgments that span decades... add to that the man most likely has no issue with lying to the public and that is way I not only say pass, but retire the guy. |
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"That is a straw man. Paul has a 30 year voting record, and public statements that represent what the man is.....a strict constitutionalist.
If what Ron Paul says is true that whatever statements made that are racists were not done by him but were connected to him, it smacks of incompetence and poor judgment....this is worrisome ...which I tend to believe. If he is lying, which at this point, I don't believe so (I generally don't believe most people are liars...I even hold Bush to have not have lied and used poor judgment to go to war in Iraq)"
You claim his thirty years of incompetence and poor judgment is a straw man, it worries you. A straw man doen't have such a life span. This is a real issue with Mr. Paul even if just at this level.
However, I see no credibility in the man, he can claim whatever he wishes, only the foolish would rush to accept it.
It's the next morning dude, wake up
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Still haven't answered me....what in his voting record indicates the man isn't who he is.
Ron Paul has explicitly denied racism......his voting record matches his public statements.
You have to wonder how many photos he had taken that day at the Value voters conference.....and out of politeness, not refusing any.
Having a photo op with a racists shows poor judgment, ...but you wonder how much Paul knew at the time of the shot, and how much consideration he takes in the politicization of this.
I am hoping the man comes out and clarifies his connection with this, but he has already published explicit denials as well as denied racism on Glen Beck.
The guy is not a slick used car salesman like Romney....he is who he is. |
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"WTF are you saying, you are NOT comfortable that Ron Paul accepted money for decades from the newsletters that carried what he NOW claims are not his view, but his voting record excuses it?
So, we could elect any liar, crook, child molester or drug dealer to Congress and if they vote they way you wish, you're cool?"
That is a straw man. Paul has a 30 year voting record, and public statements that represent what the man is.....a strict constitutionalist.
If what Ron Paul says is true that whatever statements made that are racists were not done by him but were connected to him, it smacks of incompetence and poor judgment....this is worrisome ...which I tend to believe. If he is lying, which at this point, I don't believe so (I generally don't believe most people are liars...I even hold Bush to have not have lied and used poor judgment to go to war in Iraq) |
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"I don't even know, or care to know what StrormFront is. So I can't agree or disagree with what I know nothing about."
"Stormfront identifies itself as a "racialist discussion board for pro-White activists and anyone else interested in White survival".[12] Stormfront hosts an online copy of Adolf Hitler's book Mein Kampf which is preceded by a description of Hitler as someone who "refused to surrender".
Don Black and other members of Stormfront often discuss the possibility of a future race war"
http://www.thatpoliticalblog.com/serendipity/archives/1913- Ron-Pauls-Photo-Op-with-Stormfront-neo-nazi-group.html
Ron Paul excepts the man's money, poses with him and signs autographs for him. Just another clueless day in the life I guess... |
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"Try to answer just this one. Are you comfortable that Ron Paul accepted money for decades from the newsletters that carried what he NOW claims are not his view?"
No. What in his decade voting record gives you the indication Ron Paul is not who he is?"
WTF are you saying, you are NOT comfortable that Ron Paul accepted money for decades from the newsletters that carried what he NOW claims are not his view, but his voting record excuses it?
So, we could elect any liar, crook, child molester or drug dealer to Congress and if they vote they way you wish, you're cool?
Personally that in a nutshell is the trouble I have with libertarianism and yes nut cases like Ron.
Besides even the smallest of government takes more awareness and supervision than a 5 page newsletter. The man is clueless to what's he's done the past 30 years and that my friend screams to me as a very very bad mark against someone being a good president.
I DO think the man is racist as I find it very hard to buy the fact anyone could so clueless as to not know what side their bread was buttered on FOR 30 FREAKIN years.
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"Are you comfortable with StormFront, agree with them?"
I don't even know, or care to know what StrormFront is. So I can't agree or disagree with what I know nothing about.
re you comfortable that Ron Paul accepted money for decades from the newsletters that carried what he NOW claims are not his view?"
For the second time, no.
What in his voting record indicates he is not who he is? |
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In their opportunism they have chosen as their enemy a man who was, in fact, the greatest friend of the Founders' Constitution —
Did Lincoln deny habeau corpus and deport on US congressman or did he not? Yes or no.
You Lincoln apologists are just that. Useless. |
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"What is it I like about Ron Paul?"
That is not the question, nor are we looking for more talking points... do you have integrity? Are you comfortable with StormFront, agree with them?
Answer this, please...
Are you comfortable that Ron Paul accepted money for decades from the newsletters that carried what he NOW claims are not his view?" |
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"Try to answer just this one. Are you comfortable that Ron Paul accepted money for decades from the newsletters that carried what he NOW claims are not his view?"
No. What in his decade voting record gives you the indication Ron Paul is not who he is?
Romney is mormon...ain't all that comfortable his ideology of flip flopping isn't based somewhat on the sinking sand of mormonism....Mormons parsing deification and other theological constructs. It may not be important to you...but for someone like me.... the theology that molds you is what produces the fruit.
Guliani and his wives....ain't all that comfortable with his history there.....just loves gun control, too.
CFR connections to candidates.....not too comfortable there.
McCain....the list is legendary with him...he is almost as bad has Hillary...McCain Feingold, amnesty, gain-of-14, etc.
Fred Thompson is the only other candidate I would support but I doubt he has any greater chance than Paul....but again, Fred is apart of the CFR.
I am not a conspiracist....but just how is it we end up with CFR Team A candidate vs CFR Team B candidate? Both sides always are members of the CFR.
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"To get an idea of how truly awful this book is, consider that its author sneers at what he calls some "pledge of allegiance to the central government." (He means, of course, the pledge of allegiance to the flag and "to the republic for which it stands.") This offhand remark epitomizes Thomas DiLorenzo's feckless treatment of his subject, Abraham Lincoln and his place in the American political tradition."
Everything heresyarch say about Lincoln comes one Freakin book... clearly biased and clearly rejected by many... he is posting talking points and nothing more.
"For all its crudity, DiLorenzo's attack on Lincoln is at one with powerful and far more sophisticated influences on contemporary conservatism. Libertarians and traditionalists have desperately sought a weapon to fight the political and cultural outrages around us. In their opportunism they have chosen as their enemy a man who was, in fact, the greatest friend of the Founders' Constitution — which after all left future generations with slavery to confront. Some libertarians would not see a paradox in a liberty to own slaves and thus to enslave oneself: This is precisely DiLorenzo's position stripped of all its pretensions. Others on the right, such as Russell Kirk, Robert Bork, and Robert Kraynak, have criticized the Declaration for being French, nihilistic, or irreligious. But in two magnificent works, Crisis of the House Divided and A New Birth of Freedom, Harry V. Jaffa captured Lincoln's teaching about our founding principles. Jaffa demonstrated how tradition, majoritarianism, revelation, and latter-day states'-rights arguments cannot provide for liberty, human excellence, and republican limited government as well as the natural-rights teaching of the Declaration as sublimely articulated by Abraham Lincoln."
http://www.claremont.org/publications/pubid.226/pub_detail. asp
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I can appreciate the need for a strong US national defense. I can't appreciate the need for nation building, or meddling in other affairs....the worse comes of it.
What is it I like about Ron Paul?
He shares many of the same goals I would like to see.....the reduction of federal government and a reduction in entanglements in our foreign policy. Open trade and communication to all, few entanglements as possible. A foreign policy based on the economics of liberty. He is pro-life, supports home-schooling, is pro-family. He wants us not dependent on foreign oil, but wants to do our own drilling and refining on our shores, as well as have the market solution (not bogus wasteful ethanol like solutions).
He is critical of the federal government bureaucracy for what it is, ineffective and wasteful.
Now these at one time were conservative republican ideals....but not so much. The Republican party has been hijacked by warmongers who go to war based on false intelligence, and gets us further entangled with a people we should have nothing to do with. |
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of course not one answer to what I offer. Only sarcasm.
If you want my judgement on this new source of information with regards to Paul....I will admit, it smacks of very poor judgement. The fact that some of this stuff is as recent as the mid-1990s doesn't look good.
With that said, it still changes my opinion of Lincoln zip zilch, nada.
I hold our federal government's wars, and foreign policy motivations with high suspicion. I don't subscribe to conspiracies...in fact I debunk them...you can read my blog posts near the end for proof of that.
But it is my suspicion of government do-gooders (Wilson is a prime example) who create horrific unintended consequences through foreign policy entanglements...thinking the US is so "great".
The fact that we install a shall of Iran, who is deposed, and we get someone worse,who we may have to depose...and we aid Saddam to fight Iran, who we have to depose....and we aid OBL to fight the ruskies and now we have to fight OBL, and here we are in the middle of ME politics trying to insert pro-western "democracies", at the cost of millions of dollars (not to mention the dependency they will have on us, and us on them)....but you should, keep voting the status quo, and worry much about Ron Paul, because he is the real threat, you know. |
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"Rather than answer every insult you make I will question you."
Odd, they were only gentle questions not insults. Not able to answer them you unload a truck of rusty and moldy anti-war propaganda.
Try to answer just this one. Are you comfortable that Ron Paul accepted money for decades from the newsletters that carried what he NOW claims are not his view? |
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"For those who defend Lincoln and attack Ron Paul, some Lincoln quotes to consider"
(AP) Jan 11 2008 - Inside sources have announced Presidential Candidate Ronald Whiteman Paul ESQ, will hold a press conference concerning the newsletters published in his name.
"In looking into the true authorship of these newsletters, we have come across the likelihood that none other than ex President Lincoln was the source" stated Paul aide Norris Blackstowardtherearofthebus. Many Paul supporters have speculated that the January surprise long rumored on message boards and Chuckie Cheese napkins will be announced as well.
Marty Whataboutthejews, a very enthusiastic supporter in line for his quarterly colostomy appointment was heard to speculate, "What till those Chickenhearted NeoCons find out Ron was the REAL writer of the Emancipation Proclamation. Paul's going to bring back the Confederacy, the Gold Standard and the Slave Trade, awesome"
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"To ignore the role slavery played in the conflict is unconscionable IMO."
Hardly do I whitewash the role slavery played. Tariffs and taxes played a larger role as far as the south was concerned. The fact that Lincoln was a liar, a racist, and a despot who forever initiated big government is also the truth. My worst president award goes to Wilson, first, but Lincoln Second. FDR and Johnson gets 3rd and 4th places.
"...to evangelize such a views as you also Whitewash Ron Paul over a VALID connection to his name and the most horrid of racist behavior comes as well, Klanish."
I have read/seen a lot of Ron Paul, and I have never seen any indication that he is a racist. He even denies that this is the case.
"Are you comfortable with a man that sees a world wide monetary conspiracy yet is blind to the political ideology of Islam?"
Rather than answer every insult you make I will question you. Do you know anything about Prof. Murray Rothbard's description as to why Depressions occur? If you do, that is your answer to your monetary conspiracy. BTW, you can read two recent books by non-Paulites....the Dollar Crisis, and "Crashproof", to see that this is not just Ron Paul's beliefs. My next question has to do with Islam....how would you feel if at the height of the cold war, the Warship Lenin was parked in a Manhattain Island harbor. You might sympathize the point of view of muslims who view us as the infidel on their land. Ron Paul BTW, voted for invasion to Afghanistan, supported letters of marquis and reprisal (against a nationless enemy), hardly turning a blind eye.
What we found is that the US, spending trillions in Iraq, still hasn't captured Bin Laden (doesn't seem interested in it either), has expanded troubles in both Pakistan and Iran, can't maintain the US dollar's value, causes a housing bubble, and blames it on bankers, yet our borders are as porous as ever. |
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Can a girl be a pansy? I'll add it to my list. |
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lexonex are you freakin lost or just a spammer?
Finding one of flipper's boards is easy, just look for the biggest blowhole... |
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For those who defend Lincoln and attack Ron Paul, some Lincoln quotes to consider:
"The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these new territories. We want them for the homes of free WHITE people".
"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the whites and black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgement, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect eqaulity; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the raceto which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary."
"...never been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people"
"Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this...We cannot, then, make them equals"
And what did Lincoln want to do with free slaves:
"Send them to Liberia, to their own native land".
"I cannot make it better known thatn it already is, that I strongly favor colonization."....
Eliminating every Black person from US soil, would be a "glorious consummation"
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"Have I insulted you? Why are you so damn insulting to me? What have I done to you?"
Me personally no, but clearly you wish to Whitewash the Civil War. To ignore the role slavery played in the conflict is unconscionable IMO.
Frankly, to evangelize such a views as you also Whitewash Ron Paul over a VALID connection to his name and the most horrid of racist behavior comes as well, Klanish.
Are you comfortable being in the same house as Stormfront?
Are you comfortable that Ron Paul excepted monies for the newsletters "he didn't" write?
Are you comfortable with the fact his story on these newsletters have not been consistent?
Are you comfortable that some call any diligence into a man that raises MANY questions are considered "smears"?
Are you comfortable with a man that sees a world wide monetary conspiracy yet is blind to the political ideology of Islam? |
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Domino’s Pizza founder and Catholic philanthropist Tom Monaghan has endorsed Republican Mitt Romney for president.
In a release from the Romney campaign, Monaghan praised Romney as a proven leader in business, the Olympics and politics. Monaghan in 1998 sold his majority interest in Domino’s Pizza to Bain Capital, a Boston investment fund that Romney founded.
“As someone who values the importance of faith in one’s life, I recognize in Mitt his deep religious convictions which will serve him well in facing the critical moral issues facing our society,” the release quotes Monaghan. “I believe he will stand firm on the pro-life issues and for the traditional family values that our country was founded on and which are so critical to the nation.”
Romney’s Mormon faith was an issue leading up to the Iowa caucus, and he delivered a speech in early December addressing concerns by some religious conservatives about his faith.
Monaghan, who once owned the Detroit Tigers, left Domino’s to create the Ave Maria Institute, which later became Ave Maria College, a Catholic liberal arts institution. The college became Ave Maria University in Florida, where he is chancellor.
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"For protecting our Anglo Club from those down-at-the-heel Paulites, many of whom work with their hands for a living."
Hacking polls, spamming boards and claiming to be Republicans as you and you leader try to re-write history, mistake windmills for Jewish Cabals and stick your heads in the sand as a big world overwhelms such small minds is hardly going to chaff your palms.
Worry about your equilibrium however as the spinning ronbot machine has a very noticeably wobble.
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Have I insulted you? Why are you so damn insulting to me? What have I done to you? |
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"DiLorenzo is a libertarian, or classical liberal, the same as RP"
Gee like shaking a snow globe it is easy to get the ronbot flakes in motion...
Forgot TNR.... now even Reason sees behind the white pillow case mask of Grandpa KKKook...
Gone is the serious "candidate" (chuckle) all that remains are the cultists.
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Thomas DiLorenzo a neo-confederate, and RP speaking in neo-confederate code...talk about tin-foil hats of the left at TNR.
DiLorenzo is a libertarian, or classical liberal, the same as RP. What these guys want to do is to weaken the state...to return to strict consitutional form of government....Madisonism, Jeffersonianism....consent of the governed.
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"Is Barrackary McRomniani still available?"
In Barrachary McRomniani we trust. |
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For protecting our Anglo Club from those down-at-the-heel Paulites, many of whom work with their hands for a living. You heard me, folks. We like our blood blue, not our collars.
Has anyone followed the links to the Tucker interview with the New Republic underling? Ms. Ham alludes to conspiracy theorists as populating the Paul ranks, yet toward the end of the video the author of the hit piece refers to "Neo-Confederate code words" flowing from RP's mouth, that, though seemingly benign to the uninitiated, in fact convey layer upon layer of meaning to those "in the know." With the winking and the nodding and the shifty, shifty eyes . . .
Just sit back, boys and girls and allow the Federal Reserve to continue creating the illusion of prosperity (while laying the foundation for bondage) so that the Dogs and Ponies--er, Republicans and Democrats--can fund the next crisis, so that they can offer the next New Compassionate Society Solution, which invariably results in the transfer of wealth, liberty and initiative from citizen to State. It's imperitive that we live in stupefying fear of, and allow wartime federal powers to prevail against, Terror, whatever that means and however long it lasts.
The CFR has churned out a fine selection of non-Ron Paul globalists. Shame we can only choose one. Is Barrackary McRomniani still available? |
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"Myths about the state? Seems you've been mentally masturbating to a bunch of Ron Paul newsletters kept under your bed. " - mbellar
Insults only deter me from ever voting republican again....I'll just drop out...because I despise the leftists even more...is that your goal?
I am prepared to vote the anti-hillary and anti-obama solution....but comments like yours just makes me that much more alienated from the war mongering, intelligence insulting (no real arguments to back up anything, just insult) representatives of the republicans.
If you thought that the average Ron Paul supporter was a tin foil hat kook, I give you mbellar of the republicans....just look at his quote above.
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on the issue of states rights:
11/13/1860 Brooklyn Daily Eagle
"Any violation of the constitution by the general government, deliberately persisted in would relieve the state or states injured by such violation from all legal and moral obligations to remain in the union or yield obedience to the federal government...let them (the southern states) go."
1/11/1861 Kenosha Democrat
"Secession is the very germ of liberty...the right of secession inheres to the people of every sovereign state"
2/5/1861 NY Tribune
"Lincoln's latest speech contained "the arguements of the tyrant force, compulsion, and power. Nine out of ten people of the North are opposed to forcing South Carolina to remain in the Union. The great principle embodied by Jefferson in the Declaration is...that governments derive their just power from the consent of the governed". Therefore, if the southern states want to secede, "they have a clear right to do so."
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Denial of freedom of the press:
"You will take possession by military force, of the printing establishments of the NY World and Journal of Commerce...and prohibit any further publication thereof...you are therefore commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison ...the editors, proprietors, and publishers of the aforesid newspapers" Order from Abe Lincoln to General John Dix May 18, 1864.
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is....I want NO part.
"The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these new territories. We want them for the homes of free WHITE people". -Abe Lincon Oct 16, 1854.
"Lincoln was not an abolitionist."
-David Donald in Lincoln Reconsidered.
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could slave the Union without freeing any slave I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the union"
-Abe Lincoln, 1862
"My politics are short and sweet....I am in favor of a national bank...in favor ot the internal improvements system, and a high protective tariff" Abe Lincon 1832....strong central statist.
As to states rights, Lincoln lied when he said:
"Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This IS a most valuable and most sacred right...a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world.....Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit." Abe Lincoln 1848.
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"This, from a man who admittedly did not vote Republican until about 2004.
He wants US out if HIS party.
What a crackpot."
Ron Paul is not decent, he has been caught lying, caught saying the US should be disbanded and identifies with a Catholic extremist who sought to terrorize a nation to serve his pope.
Mr Paul's Crockpot is stewing full of half baked ideas and clear falsehoods... yet even should he stand and commit murder in view of a national audience, the ronbots will sway, swarm and chant about their misunderstood hoary old man.
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"The secession was attempted in reaction to pressure from the abolitionists. Slavery was the defining issue of the Confederacy."
"No it was not. It was high tariffs generated by..."
A cult ran by a man that can't even remember what he has written and what he has not, is not going to have historians in their midst, just propagandists and angst grunting simians... gorillas in the mist.
Revealed this week is the true cult standing and misdirection of those that stand with pride among the secessionists and stormfront troopers... already distorying that which we hold dear.
There is no gold standard for their words much like that of Ron's, where at times we mistook a glimmer was but granite denials or pyrite mentality...
Guy Fawkes, Stormfront, decades of hateful newsletter money... now words of advice from David Duke...
Get these areswhips out of our GOP... The party of Lincoln needs no lesson on its history
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"The secession was attempted in reaction to pressure from the abolitionists. Slavery was the defining issue of the Confederacy."
No it was not. It was high tariffs generated by
" We must never cease to revere Lincoln for not subjecting America to such dishonor."
LOL. yeah, revere a guy who invaded the south without the approval of congress, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, imprisoned 13000 Northern descenters, even deported one US congressman based on their disagreements with his policies, and you think ol' dishonest Abe was honorable?
"Also please remember that secession is not a check against the Federal government. It is an attempt to consolidate ALL power to the states. The states need to be subject to checks and balances as well."
Read the 10th amendment, carefully.
"You are undoubtedly very young. I'm guessing 18 or so."
Again, you are off by MORE than a factor of 2 and no, that does not mean I am less than 9.....the other way,....pal.....Married, homeschool my kids, masters degree in engineering, practicing engineer, my wife is an at home mom. Pretty traditional. Too bad you have to stereotype any Ron Paul supporter as one who truly loves liberty, and sees the power of the central government as beginning of Hayek's road to serfdom.
You are so wrong on so many counts.....but that is typical of a statist, neocon. |
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I think we've all been waiting for that Fred to come back.
I was just so thrilled to see him on fire and hack Huckabee off at the knees. Huck is a nice person, but he's not deserving of the hype.
It's not over yet, but I'm rooting for Fred and I hope he keeps up his momentum and that attitude! |
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"How did you like Thompson last night?
That was the absolute best."
He was on last night, the Fred that smacked down Mikey Moore several months back... |
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How did you like Thompson last night?
That was the absolute best. |
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Support for Ron is dropping faster than my VG stock... even Reason now sees the truth.
http://reason.com/blog/show/124339.html
The hardcore cultists, the racists, the secessionists and those escaped goat-donkey hybrids are all that is left for Ron...wait the hybrids have been seen in the Obama camp. |
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"Of course, these spineless cowards never tell who they support."
Given I've stated that I support Ruby and Thomson you are liar, shameless and have a stinky brownish residue about your head...
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"Shells: I guess we now know that you have no knowledge of firearms. If you did, you would know what "commander lightweight" refers to.
Typical of your kind.
nmellar:
I see you are wasting more of your employers time and money by surfing the net instead of working."
Seems the bib wearing guy with a Neapolitan complex lacks both the mind and soul of either a Republican, Libertarian or even gad... a Democrat.
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Ron Paul is the only person on the planet who could get me to vote Democrat in 2008. 'nuff said. |
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You Pauliacs started breaking that commandment the moment Paul began running.
Live by your own mantras for once. Morons, spineless cowards, eh...that doesn't sound like you're obeying your own righteousness now, do you?
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"clowns to my left
Shells: I guess we now know that you have no knowledge of firearms. If you did, you would know what "commander lightweight" refers to.
Typical of your kind. "
My kind? And what kind would that be, Light-Whine? A moron? A clown? An Idiot? What do you Ron Paul supporters call people this time? Have you read the Paul Pamphlets that tell you what to think and say yet?
So what kind am I? Usually I'm coined the token Jew, or the Zionist by your cult. Being called a moron or an idiot from a grown man who sees the horizon on defeat creeping towards his toes is awfully refreshing to me.
The only kind I am is one who feels the smug satisfaction to see your idol waffle and stumble in the schoolyard of the big boys.
Time to open up those checkbooks and send Paul more money!! Time to rally more groups!! I'm sure you'll tell all of us how Paul is still in this race and can win!!
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So, 'twas a very interesting debate last night, I must say. Wouldn't you?
I will have to be the first to admit that the FOX questioners were indeed hostile towards your candidate.
Ever wonder why? I have my own thoughts.
Not because they are in fear of your libertarian candidate, or because they want to promote someone else and are afraid that Paul would over shadow who they are deciding to back.
My thought is, it's because of fans like you who have harrassed every outlet via the internet, email, and even people in public areas. Give your overzealousness a round of applause because you really did it, guys. Good job.
If it weren't for your fringe lunatics like the raving outspoken anti-semites, the truthers, the supremicists, perhaps Ron Paul would've been treated with respect during the debates. No republican candidate would need to distance themselves from him, hoping other independents would not associate RP's supporters as the mirrored backdrop of what all conservatives are like.
So, again, thank yourselves for RP being slapped around like a red-headed step child. You deserve the credit.
Seems Fred Thompson finally became his old sparky self again and wowed everyone. Might be too late for him, but I still enjoyed seeing him prevail as we knew he could while your candidate once again failed.
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"You have 10 minutes and clock starts...."
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"The funniest part is that the people spreading this smear don't even believe it's true. But their reasoning is that "Ron Paul must be taken down."
How is this a smear? Please suppply an intelligent response in 20 words or less.
Mind you I can see the words RON PAUL on these newsletters and he has accepted money from those that subscribe to them.
You have 10 minutes and clock starts....
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The funniest part is that the people spreading this smear don't even believe it's true. But their reasoning is that "Ron Paul must be taken down."
Doesn't that sound familiar? It's usually the OTHER party talking like that.
What's really the most telling is someone that will call someone else a racist when they clearly know it isn't true. Kind of makes you worry that they take racism so lightly.
Actually, I will be happy if this hits the mainstream media and Ron Paul gets asked about it. Because when he gets to the general election, this would be the only thing the liberals would have. Let's get it over with now. |
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Inspired by Bryan at HotAir
doesn’t know -
doesn’t know who wrote his newsletter
can’t find -
can’t find out who wrote it
never read-
he never even read it for all those years
The REason EVOLved species don't vote Paul |
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"However, this is suspicious."
Did I say Black Helicopters? Given this was a ronbot make that White Helicopters .... my bad. |
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"Your attempt at an analogy is pretty pathetic. As for Mr. Black, he also supported George W. Bush. I guess that makes Bush a racist-by-association, too, huh? I don't think you really want to hold your favorite candidate to that same standard, do you?
As for the writer of this little TNR hit piece? It was Jamie Kirchick, winner of the 2006 National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association's Excellence in Student Journalism award. Forgive me if I take what he says with a grain of salt."
I've yet to see a photo of Bush in either a white sheet or having a photo-op with StormFront members... seeing either would of course affect my opinion of Mr. Bush.
Pathetic analogies is a hobby of mine, one I've picked up from years of posting with the various idiots that received those AOL CDs and came trampling the tranquility of the internet.
I take everything from any source with a gain of salt and have learned that, yes Virgina, even Lesbian and Gay Journalists can at times report the facts.
You however, seem to think branding the messenger is more important than the responding to or heeding the message, how very Tom Cruise of you.
In fact other pathetic analogy comes to me, one in which ronbots are to the thinking republican as Tom Cruise is to the Oprah viewer... no... no
Make that, ronbots are to the thinking republican as Tom Cruise is to the thinking republican viewing the Oprah clip.
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"When the Nazi's moved to Argentina they could call themselves South Americans but anyone with a brain would still see Nazis."
Your attempt at an analogy is pretty pathetic. As for Mr. Black, he also supported George W. Bush. I guess that makes Bush a racist-by-association, too, huh? I don't think you really want to hold your favorite candidate to that same standard, do you?
As for the writer of this little TNR hit piece? It was Jamie Kirchick, winner of the 2006 National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association's Excellence in Student Journalism award. Forgive me if I take what he says with a grain of salt.
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I reviewed the results of votes by hand-count versus machine count. The results don't lie- the counties which were hand-counted had Paul ahead of Guiliani. The machine count counties had it the other way around. There could be alternate explanations. However, this is suspicious.
The only reason Paul is so maligned is that he wants to fight against our worst instincts of xenophobia and bigotry- of viewing the whole Muslim population as an "enemy" of the West. When you start listening to some of these talking heads on the far-Right, about reuniting the Caliphate, etc. you can see just how brainwashed he have become courtesy of the neocons. The GOP has historically gotten us OUT of wars, not initiated them. But I don't fault people for falling for neocon brainwashing- after all, it conned some of the most senior people in our administration. |
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(sorry was on the phone and very sloppy, ignore the first)
"When a Townhall regular attacks a Republican candidate by invoking the familiar racism charge (how many times have we conservatives been accused of THAT one, most recently in the illegal immigration battle) AND links to supposed dirt dug up by a liberal magazine, you begin"
When the Nazi's moved to Argentina they could call themselves South Americans but anyone with a brain would still see Nazis.
While racism is indeed a familiar charge, few have it tossed at them while posing with StormFront, accepting money from Mr. Black and having a thirty year old history of racist newsletters with their name on the cover.
Spin this how you wish but at the least the man is an idiot that can't even control a five sheet newletter (which he clearly accepted monies from) or he's a lying twisted evil retard (my pick by the way).
I do think the GOP needs to address Mr. Paul and show we have standards after all.
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"When a Townhall regular attacks a Republican candidate by invoking the familiar racism charge (how many times have we conservatives been accused of THAT one, most recently in the illegal immigration battle) AND links to supposed dirt dug up by a liberal magazine, you begin"
When the Nazi's moved to Argentia they could call them self South Americans but anyone with a brain would still see Nazi's.
While racism is indeed a familiar charge, few that have it tossed at them while posing with StormFrount, accepting money from Mr. Black and having a thirty year old history of racist newsletters with their name on the cover.
Spin this how you wish but at the least the man is an idea that can't even control a five sheet newletter (which he clearly accepted monies from) or he's a lying twisted evil retard (my pick by the way).
I do think the GOP needs to address Mr. Paul and show we have standards after all. |
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"Most are actually Democrats hoping to spur a Quixotic third party campaign that will divert just enough votes from the Republican candidate to hand Hillary an easy win"
I agree with this acessmentment given their tendency to lie, spin and insult.
Then again they could have been started by the lovechild of James Carville and Paul Begala. Only pure evil could have bought those two together. |
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When a Townhall regular attacks a Republican candidate by invoking the familiar racism charge (how many times have we conservatives been accused of THAT one, most recently in the illegal immigration battle) AND links to supposed dirt dug up by a liberal magazine, you begin to wonder if you're actually at a conservative website.
As for the cut and paste job from Liberty Broadcast Network, what does this have to do with the Paul campaign? Anyone in his right mind would have to be concerned about the fallibility of the voting process when there is no paper trail. Computers may be impartial but they don't program themselves. |
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"But you should stay in complete ignorance on this and keep support'n the myths that prop up the state."
Myths about the state? Seems you've been mentally masturbating to a bunch of Ron Paul newsletters kept under your bed. Stop that, your leader has declared those to be ignored as they cause hairy thoughts...
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The secession was attempted in reaction to pressure from the abolitionists. Slavery was the defining issue of the Confederacy.
If Lincoln and others had used taxpayer dollars to buy the freedom of the slaves, then they would have been paying ransom to morally unscrupulous slave holders. We must never cease to revere Lincoln for not subjecting America to such dishonor.
The primary purpose of Government is to protect its citizens. Once the Union finally acknowledged the Blacks as people, it sought to protect their American rights. The Civil War removed the greatest contradiction to our Nation's noble creed.
Also please remember that secession is not a check against the Federal government. It is an attempt to consolidate ALL power to the states. The states need to be subject to checks and balances as well.
You are undoubtedly very young. I'm guessing 18 or so. Therefore it's entirely forgivable for you to fall back on the recycled bromides of the Paul campaign. "Imperialism", "propaganda", "ignorance", I too used such terms ten years ago. Sooner or later they lose their significance. For seventy-something Ron Paul to employ them is laughable.
Realize that Ron Paul is not a real candidate he is merely being propped up as a spoiler for the Republican party. His young supporters, such as yourself, seldom have much money to contribute, his support has never reached double digits nationally, yet he still raises more money than John McCain. Examine this phenomenon with a healthy dose of skepticism. You are very much being mislead and used. |
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A man who lives up to his name, I see.
Frankly, I personally don't care what you may make of me. After all these months I've been called a moron, an idiot, a liberal, a hater of the constitution, a Zionist, by the Ronnie and the Paulette club. Why? Because I didn't happen to drink from the Fountains of Ron. I dared to question him, just like I would question any candidate.
You all will google and paste your tripe, shoving Paul Propaganda down anyone's throat who disagrees with you.
Next you all always ask for facts, which many including myself have supplied countless times. Then what happens when the facts hit you? You rationalize and make excuses for it, as if you happen to personally speak for the lunatic.
Do you see you all act like a swarm of bees? Do you all realize you all mince the same words, the same redudancies regarding your icon? It's as if you all are brainwashed, and I'm not kidding here.
Sure, pepper me with "Show me proof! You Have no argument! You hate the constitution! Only Ron Paul can save this country! God Bless Ron Paul!!"
Dude.....The guy is the golem of the republican party. He isn't even a republican if you read Stossel's last interview of him. He will not win.
Give it up.
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"Ron Paul and his supporters believe that the states have the right to enslave blacks. That is why he decries the Civil War."
I haven't read what Ron Paul has written about this, but most who lament the civil war due so because it started us down the road to imperial centralized government with the denial of the last check and balance on the federal government: states rights to secede. The Civil War had almost nothing to do with slavery...emancipation was going on all throughout western societies without war. Lincoln could've spared hundreds of thousands of American lives, and bought the slave owners out if it was about emancipated slaves.
We all pay for (un)civil war, and those who love liberty and despise large centralized government that is there to "help us" regret the Civil War the most. I suspect Ron Paul is one of those.
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"Do you PDS sufferers ever tell the truth?"
Just because one loves to laugh at the cartoonish has yet to be classified as any kind of syndrome. In fact its considered healthy to mental wellbeing.
On the other hand cartoonish cult like goose-stepping over clear factual evidence (blind obedience or 1984 syndrome as it is called) is classified as a sub-set of Tourette’s syndrome, which explains the foul mouth displayed by many ronbots. |
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"You have pretty low standards if you think that mental midget has "talent, witt, and bravado"."
I admit being praised for pulling the wings off of flies is nothing to brag about... but to see a ronbot lambasting another over low standards frankly has made my day...
BTW, cant wait to see Grandpa Twilight on the tube tonight... with all eyes watching (including Stormfrount's) I expect another classic u-tube worthy meltdown.
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Scarcely a single Bona Fide Ron Paul supporter exists. Most are actually Democrats hoping to spur a Quixotic third party campaign that will divert just enough votes from the Republican candidate to hand Hillary an easy win. How exactly does someone with 4% support nationally acquire more campaign funding than John McCain?
Check out some of the posts on John Stossel's last column. Paul supporters focus solely on issues like wanting to legalize all drugs and refer to American prisons as "gulags". Many don't believe that the right to keep and bear arms has any relevance to the states. These are not merely conservatives with an isolationist streak, they are unmistakeably left-wing in their convictions. |
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Ron Paul and his supporters believe that the states have the right to enslave blacks. That is why he decries the Civil War.
Keep that in mind. |
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I'm late coming to this post party, but I wanted to knight you as the official Ron Paulbot Slayer of 2008.
Never have I seen someone with so much talent, witt and bravado that can thwart and humiliate the ravenous cult single handedly of He Who Shall Not Be Named.
Good job, bud, keep it up! I'm loving it!
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People often try to compare the man with Reagan, but the truth is, Reagan would not be considered a conservative if he had to follow the Paulist world view. Nobody would with the possible exception of Washington. "Conservatives" as the Paulists define the term have never really existed in the executive branch. |
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Wow are my eyes being opened.
For many years I've been a Republican, voted Republican and visited Republican sites. Town Hall has been a site I would visit to read what I "thought" was truthful commentary. I find that not to be the case.
This year, because of my fiscal conservative nature and none of the Republicans are covering it, I'm supporting Ron Paul. Lo and behold this site is making reference to that lame racist argument. How many times must RP explain?
So what I find is that the sites I once thought true to my heart, were nothing more than outlets with an agenda. Writers that know that even if there is no truth, just mentioning something gives the breath of life to something. Why else would an honest writer even mention this an article of half truths and no truths. "Update: TNR finds Paul's dirty laundry, in his newsletters of years past. And, by dirty, I mean "racist." Uh-oh."
As I leave my Matrix like state of mind, I will be leaving behind old friends, old haunting grounds, old ways. My Republican party has been hijacked by a few very rich people that want things to stay the same (can I say Limbaugh). These are the 6% of the people that make 33% of the income, people that make money off of high credit rates, people that make money off the new laws like Home Security, people that make money off the failed policy of the "War on Drugs."
To be realistic, RP probably isn't going to win this race but he has started a small but growing revolution. And it is what scares the status quo people. |
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"There is REALLY a "secret plan" lol / strategy and media blitz rollout in addition to the 8 states mentioned on the website - This stategic overall plan will (sorry guys), with their best efforts, remain hidden - for obvious reasons (see Art of War) - I will do my darndest to figure it out...." (found on the loonytunes board)
Paul and Politics....
Seems more like a badly played game of WoW. The real question is when will a ronbot crack and how many will they take with them?
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"We were having an intelligent conversation?
Hmm.. I failed to notice."
No surprise there Lobby...
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"Since you don't have the mental accuity to carry on an intelligent conversation, this argument is done, I win."
We were having an intelligent conversation?
Hmm.. I failed to notice.
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The answer to your question is simple.
It has become a religion to the most rabid paulbots. Just as a fun anthropology experiment, try reading the gushing "Paul is the Savior" post but replace Ron Paul with the name Reverend Moon.
More fun than Mad Libs!
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Having read many of your posts, I think I understand the point you are trying to make:
It is essentially, "Vote for Paul or America is doomed!"
Is that about right? I have news for you: if we are that close to the edge, one guy is not going to save the country from collapse. Really, this kind of hystrionics is always amusing. But you are not the first person who has thought your guy was the only chance the country had for survival. And you are certainly not the first Paul supporter to tell the rest of us what morons we are if we do not vote for your man. Many of us have legitimate reasons for not supporting him. I dont know why you take it personally when we dont get on board. |
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"Actually, you need someone else to write your posts for you."
Ouch Piri, unlike you ronbots we humans have feeling.
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"I really need an editor." - mbella
Actually, you need someone else to write your posts for you. |
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"Don't waste your time with this try-hard, bot-calling, flip-flopping, independent-cut-&-paste thinking Finance/IT expert. His views are so independent he changes them as he types."
Yeah I'm bad, don't waste name with me or the fact Mr. Paul is not only a kook but a kkkkook.
As for consistency, I've yet to find such a thing the ronbotic logic matrix. |
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"Unlike Mr. Paul I will lie regarding my past views... People after all do change, do grow... liars don't." - mbella
You need more than an editor. |
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Don't waste your time with this try-hard, bot-calling, flip-flopping, independent-cut-&-paste thinking Finance/IT expert. His views are so independent he changes them as he types.
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Correction: (I really need an editor)
"Unlike Mr. Paul I will lie regarding my past views... People after all do change, do grow... liars don't."
Unlike Mr. Paul I will not lie regarding my past views... People after all do change, do grow... liars don't. |
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"Mbellar is aflicted with the newly discovered Paul Derangement Syndrome (PDS)."
Paul is not even on my gaydar screen (tip of the hat to Lobby).
However I am afflicted and suffer from DCLRTS (deranged cow-like ronbot tipping syndrome). I try to resist but when I come across a herd such as this, I let the evil out...
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"You say you are 52, and voted Democrat until about 2004.
That makes you a...what?"
An independent thinker with conservative leanings, fined tuned over the years due to past mistakes in judgment.
Unlike Mr. Paul I will lie regarding my past views... People after all do change, do grow... liars don't.
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Boston Now reports that votes for RP in Sutton, NH, were not counted. The issue only came to light when voters went to the voting map on the Politico website after casting their votes in RP's favour. According to the 'final' results, however, RP didn't get any votes.
Apparently, Jennifer Call, the head clerk admits RP received 31 votes. But when the final amount was transferred to a summary sheet and sent out to the media, the total was listed as zero. Ms Call says it was 'human error'. Some commentators say the fiasco throws the entire primary into doubt and could lead to a re-count.
Politico has now UPDATED the 'final' results.
Conspiracy theories indeed! A recount is justified. |
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"does your employer know how much you goof off at work?"
Yes... and dang if he doesn't know what a racist dingbat Mr. Paul is as well.
Knowledge is power you know..... oh wait my bad, you clearly don't. |
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matter what you idiotic Ron Paul detractors say. Y'all just keep away forging those chains and remember to help one another to shackle yourselves.
No matter who wins, you dumba$$es lose.
You are beyond hope and really are the new subjects of Oceania. Enjoy your slavery, fools. |
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"Do you need a spade? I have yet to see evidence you understand finance, commerce, economics, monetary policy, fiscal policy, history and computer programming".
No? But I reject both the blathering of Mr.Paul and yourself that should count for something.
Look ronbot, here is deal... I'm not one that wrote 30 years of racist diatribes, this is Paul's trial...
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"Jackpine wrote: "BUT I was turned off by the rabid actions of the Paul supporters such as spamming online polls to grossly skew the results."
Now that sounds like a conspiracy theory."
What is it with a ronbot and a fact? They seem to have evolved to work best with GIGO than with valid, uncorrupted data streams.
The are blind machines beeping without rime or reason, spewing retarded and non relevant data as old One-Eye Paul checks for Jews or Blacks in his kingdom... |
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"Jackoff
If you would actually bother to READ my posts, I laid out quite clearly that I was interested in Paul's ideas at one time."
Clearly, Lobby loves the homoerotic, I've yet to see him post without his warm fuzzy blanket of the phallic and his thumb sucking logic... NTTIAWWT, ok except the creeping us out part.
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"YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. GO CRY TO YOUR MOMMY.
YOU WANT INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION? DON'T START OUT BY INSULTING YOUR OPPONENT. OTHERWISE YOU WILL GET INSULTED RIGHT BACK. WAAH!"
geeh, the sound of melting celluloid... guess annie was poorly drawn. |
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"You have admitted that you have been a democrat most of your life.
Please tell us what makes you a Conservative and/or a Republican.
What are your views on:
abortion
gun control
healthcare finiancing.
Ah yes the reading challenged one. You are making this claim not I. However, as stated I'm an independent thinker with conservative leanings, never said I was a party man.
abortion - This is the woman's right to choose, she bears whatever moral judgments come with it. I'll save my own soul, you worry about yours. Abortion is a failure however, and should never be easy.
gun control - Hate guns but understand a person's right to them. My daughter (25) and granddaughter (10) carry mace and tasers and know how to use them bro...
healthcare - it's a personal responsibility, if you prefer to buy a big screen over insurance don't cry to me when your tooth hurts sell the dang thing and go see the dentist.
financing - it's a personal responsibility, want to live in in a big house by the beach when you get old... stop running up your credit cards and save your money fool...
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"If you would actually bother to READ my posts, I laid out quite clearly that I was interested in Paul's ideas at one time. He said a lot of things I agreed with. "
This is a standard Huckabot tactic - they were even stupid enough to discuss doing it on their forums. It hasn't been working, it isn't working, and it isn't going to work. The crap that falls out of your mouth all around this statement betrays you having EVER supported Ron Paul. Nobody believes you. Do you understand that? Nobody believes you. You're not even good at it. You are a fool. You embrass yourself, but have no self-respect to simply stop.
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"I never claimed to know your political affiliation, but since Dr. Paul has run repeatedly as the Libertarian candidate"
Run *repeatedly* as a libertarian candidate? Really? The ONLY association Ron Paul has had with the libertarian party was ONCE as a presidential candidate. And he was smart to leave that self-defeating party behind.
Ron Paul has been a REPUBLICAN for 30+ years.
You know, you really don't seem to know very much about Ron Paul, the people you are attacking, and probably not much about your own candidate. Yet, you don't NEED to know very much to talk with the depth you have shown here. The liberals have proven you don't need to be smart to smear and attack.
It's also interesting that Guiliani, Romney, AND McCain have called themselves libertarians at various points all throughout this election cycle so far. Maybe you have a problem with that?
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mbella wrote: "I work in finance dearie, save your breath for the next truther meeting... or other such fairytales in which you can pretend to know what is going on."
But sometime later mbella writes: "Given the fact I work in IT, I always ask for and receive a paper ballot. That was in New York."
I wrote: "Which is it - finance or IT? Stop spinning nonsense. I doubt whether you have enough superficial knowledge to bluff your way through either fields, judging by what you've already written. Your posts lack substance and your constant attempts at wit are rather desperate, distracting and embarrassing."
mbella's response?: "Love the cult of ron, whirling dervishes all. I do IT and Finance, happen to be male and am considered quite witty."
Do you need a spade? I have yet to see evidence you understand finance, commerce, economics, monetary policy, fiscal policy, history and computer programming.
However, I am impressed with your try-hard attempts at wit, constant parroting of propoganda and cutting-and-pasting abilities. It appears you are more 'bot-like' than those you accuse. |
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"Do you stop to wonder why the dems have had TWICE the turnout in Iowa and NH?"
And you think you're helping by calling other republicans names and slamming us over the head repeatedly with "Ron Paul is the savior"???
I never claimed to know your political affiliation, but since Dr. Paul has run repeatedly as the Libertarian candidate, one would assume with just a minimum of logic that you tend toward libertarian principles.
As I stated earlier, I considered myself aLibertarian with republican tendencies. Since I have decided to Not back Dr. Paul, suddenly I'm a "Neocon", called vile names, and told that I'm missing parts of my anatomy. Yet you're trying to take the "High road"?
If you would actually bother to READ my posts, I laid out quite clearly that I was interested in Paul's ideas at one time. He said a lot of things I agreed with.
BUT I was turned off by the rabid actions of the Paul supporters such as spamming online polls to grossly skew the results. I could deal with a few idiots, but the nonstop "neocon" bashing by paul supporters like annie mation, KnightOf_ba-waa, Robert, and assorted other nutballs, turned me off completely. How can you expect anyone to take your cause seriously when you resort to the same sleazy underhanded tricks as the dedicated "Hate america" crowd on the left?
If you lay down with dogs, you get fleas.
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When deciding to support Ron Paul's extremely conservative message that I would be subjected to these extremely vile attacks from my own party. Sure, I was your friend a year ago when helping to keep and gain republican seats in my state.
But now, suddenly, I am a racist, a moonbat, a libertarian, a liberal, a nutcase, a fruitcake, an anti-semite, and a conspiracy theorist.
Wow... with friends like you....
Do you stop to wonder why the dems have had TWICE the turnout in Iowa and NH?
I expect this kind of crap from the dems, but I surely didn't expect it from MY party, especially against one of their own candidates.
If you morons aren't agents of the DailyKos brigade, you sure do keep strange bedfellows with your alliances and sudden credibility to their smears.
Ladies and gentlemen you are watching the GOP self-destruct right before your very eyes. |
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"I used to consider myself a libertarian, but you idiots have made me renounce my affiliation with that party. Again, thank you."
real mature... real mature...
So I am a libertarian? Gosh, you know so much about me, how about my name and phone number? Huh?
This "libertarian" voted for BUSH, twice.
It is idiots like YOU that are making US renounce the Republican party.
Did you hear me say Ron Paul's standing in the polls had anything to do with other than his campaign?
We are "hurting" him? What planet do you live on, freak? Though he is in single digits, he is on an upward trend, while all the other candidates are flopping all over the place. I don't know if he can advance fast enough or not, but honestly it is beside the point. No republican is going to win this election, and it will be the fault of people like YOU.
If I subscribed to conspiracy theories I would say you are your ilk are liberal agents TRYING to destroy the GOP. Well... WTH, what other explanation even makes sense? |
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"It's interesting that nobody here has seen either you OR mbellar around townhall until this article today.
You look like fools and the only people you are convincing are those that WANT to believe this crap."
You obviously haven't looked very hard, I've been posting here for at least 6 months, and even have a blog. (notice the line under my nick?)
Keep pointing fingers at me, but remember for every finger you point at Me, there are 3 more pointing back at you.
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If you have such a huge coalition going, why is it Dr Paul polls in single digits everywhere?
The media isn't changing the election results in Iowa, Wyoming, and New Hampshire. Why is it Paul is still in single digits. I thought you all said "The american people will speak and elect Ron Paul" Your huge collective yell turned out to be a whisper. (or whimper)
I remember another Hand grenade in a bad haircut with a squeaky voice a few years ago. He was going to change america, he was the new "Savior".
He failed too.
You just don't get it, Paul knows he can't possibly win, he ran to get the libertarian views out to the republican masses. He could have had a voice in the process, but you paulbots with your rabid screaming at every opportunity ruined his chances.
As soon as some idiot paulbot started spamming online polls a year ago, you ruined Paul's chance at being taken seriously.
Perot was the "Cable Candidate that failed", Paul will go down in history as the "Internet candidate that failed" and no amount of name calling and "Neocon" spewing will change that.
Paul is a Fringe candidate with zero chance and it's all the fault of his supporters. So to all you paulbots. Thank you for taking your candidate out of the running. You did it, not us Evil Neocons.
by the way, I am not now, have never been, and will never be a "Neocon". (whatever you twist that made up word to mean)
I used to consider myself a libertarian, but you idiots have made me renounce my affiliation with that party. Again, thank you.
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You forgot to add investment people, business owners, doctors, lawyers, pastors, moms & dads, college kids, black people, asian people, muslims, jewish people, cops, firefighters, electricians, factory workers, union members...
Hmm... I can only get 1000 words in a comment.
In other words, Americans, both the good and the bad. Just like ANY other candidate. Ron Paul's grassroots movement are bringing people together that would have never otherwise sat at the same table. Ideologies are being changed. Minds are being opened.
"If you want the man to have his chance, try shutting up for 5 minutes!"
Right, so you can just keep smearing him and go uncontested...
You don't want to hear from us, don't write about him. You don't want to read our comments, don't click on a Ron Paul thread. Admit it you came here ONLY to read the supporters' comments and attack them. Nobody held a gun to your head. So why'd you click on the article and then on the comments, James-OTHER-nickname?
It's interesting that nobody here has seen either you OR mbellar around townhall until this article today.
You look like fools and the only people you are convincing are those that WANT to believe this crap. |
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It's amusing that a 1993 newsletter which is issued in Ron Paul's name quickly becomes characterized by Paul's rabid supporters as a newsletter which was written '30 years ago' which Paul "didn't have much to do with."
The reason the kooky Paulbots don't think the newsletter is a big deal, is because they don't think that racist, anti-Semitic remarks are a big deal !(...thus, is it really any surprise they don't believe the Holocaust took place ?!)
And they don't think that slurring people for being 'gay' is a big deal, either.
If they were talking about a Townhall left-wing commenter named Soothsayer, that would be one thing.
But look at the way they attack people who merely talk about the newsletter; Sir Aslan slurs the editor of The New Republic for being 'gay,' and Ryan and Citizen's Lobby each slur commenter MBellar with junior high school gym class inferences that he must be gay, simply because he read a piece which appeared in The New Republic. |
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Ryan scribbles: "Don't worry, you'll get not only your war and a fiat money, but a tax hike to boot."
OK, I'll play along, say we elect paul (God forbid) and he does as he claims and pulls all of our troops home from all over the globe.
What happens next????
This is what happens.
Noth Korea, after 50 years of being held at bay, takes their million man army and marches on Seoul. Millions of Korens die in a new war on the korean peninsula.
Our troops leave Iraq, days later Iran marches in and war once again erupts between those 2 countries, the rest of the middle east becomes embroiled in a regional war that not only kills millions, but cuts off the world's oil supply.
Our troops leave afghanistan, and once again the afghan people are thrust under Taliban/Al-Quaeda rule. More beheadings int he soccer stadium, women are once again killed for the crime of trying to get an education.
Meanwhile our economy comes to screeching halt with no energy to run it.
Dr. Paul loves to use the term "Blowback", Well his actions would cause Blowback of H-bomb proportions.
Now you can all plug into the great "Ron Paul Mind Meld" and tell me how wrong I am.
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Citizens Lobby is correct. I mean look at all the times that Jeff Gannon has spent at night at the Bush White House. No need to be defensive, it a new and gay GOP and you and Kevin fit in nicely. A big tent in more ways than one.
It's going to be tragic and funny at the same time come after the November election when the Evil party beats hell out of the Stupid party not only over the excutive branch, but picks up more senate and house seats and you fools are whining about "what went wrong!"
I'll answer that ahead of time. You people are stupid and ignorant and that makes you good fodder for neocons.
Just remember, Bellar.
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"Boy, you seem awefully defensive about it. Are you ashamed of being gay? What does Eric think about that, James?"
Trust me dude since I'm not Mr. Paul I've no reason to lie, you're tapping in the wrong stall.
Do you have ANYTHING intellectually to state or is cruising all you do?
If not, you're easy to ignore...
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Boy, you seem awefully defensive about it. Are you ashamed of being gay? What does Eric think about that, James?
You aren't ashamed to admit are you, James? I think some of your buddies might take issue with that. You are supposed to "loud and proud." |
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"I think that Bellar is Kevin McCulloch's secret gay lover."
Thinking is best left to those properly equipped. Heck you can't even figure out this is not the TownHall Gay Chatroom.
Excuse me while I check into my stalker defenses... |
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I think that Bellar is Kevin McCulloch's secret gay lover.
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"getting the impression that mbellar is actually James Kurchink, the gay libertarian, trying to get another mile out of his story?"
This is the third time a ronbot has called me gay. Either they have the political sophistication of a 10 year old or are suffering from the Ted Hubbard tight leather undies syndrome...
Personally I'm a don't ask kinda of guy, so Lob, go tap your foot in some other stall. |
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getting the impression that mbellar is actually James Kurchink, the gay libertarian, trying to get another mile out of his story?
James, are you a "top" or a "bottom" with Eric Dondero? |
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"The only thing you have written is a collection of talking points you memorized from the radio. Turn the radio and the tv off and try to read something instead of having your opinions and thoughts made for you by some idiot on the radio or tv. The Internet has other uses than listening to Sean and watching porn. You can (maybe not you) learn something of use.
Don't worry, you'll get not only your war and a fiat money, but a tax hike to boot."
Dude, Christmas was last month. I have no need of talking points because unlike the ronbot or their strawmen I have a mind, complete with operating instructions.
Besides, my job was to keep the ronbots swarmed here and buzzing while Hillary goons hacked into Diebold and stole the election... please I've no time to wait for the short bus posters to keep up. |
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"We truly live in interesting times and the ronbots are way out of step... regardless of how they swarm long into the night."
Very Good!
Written like a true junior neocon talk radio listener. I bet you are a Medhead. You will live in interesting times and if you are one of the young tub thumping, flag waving "patriots" who "support the troops" as long as you don't have to be one of them, it is my sincere hope that you get conscripted to fight in Iran.
"Love the cult of ron, whirling dervishes all. I do IT and Finance, happen to be male and am considered quite witty."
I'm sure the enemy would flee in terror after being confronted by you filled with Limbaughian courage and your wit. A man of your abilities should be made an 11B upon induction. (that's an infantryman)
The only thing you have written is a collection of talking points you memorized from the radio. Turn the radio and the tv off and try to read something instead of having your opinions and thoughts made for you by some idiot on the radio or tv. The Internet has other uses than listening to Sean and watching porn. You can (maybe not you) learn something of use.
Don't worry, you'll get not only your war and a fiat money, but a tax hike to boot. |
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"The bottom line with these people is that they would vote for a pig as long as the pig has an "R" after his name. They are party first people."
Yet you could stand in small room full of racist diatribes labeled Ron Paul as he and Mr. Black hold hands while planning to split up the US and rebuild a Southern Empire and scream...
"That's my man y'all, I'm gonna vote for him" |
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"but was it a conspiracy when Kerry WON, and bush asked for a recount???"
Kerry won? I feel like Diogenes as I walk among the ronbots... a very defeated Diogenes.
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"I have voted Republican since 1976 and today I do not recognize this party anymore. The last time I saw this much defaming of an honorable man was directed against Pat Buchanan."
ROTFLMFAO |
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"Let us throw the neocons into the tiger pits of all the zoos, tear them to pieces...OR send their family to Mideast to difuse road side bombs."
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"And what is the ONE, SINGLE common thing between all of the places that the Muslims have attacked? What is the ONE SINGULAR connection between all the places you listed? Is it freedom and prosperity?
The ONE THING is intervention in their country's politics. They also killed a ton of Russians and the British in the 30's. Why'd they do that? Because Britian was free and prosperous?"
In the past month three Americans on American soil have been killed by Islamic fathers for not adhering to the will of the moon god...
The Pope speaks about Islamic deeds hundred of years before and a Nun is murdered.
A film maker makes a movies about the women of Islam in his country and is murdered in his country for it.
A series of cartoons causes riots and violence, the French suburbs burn because Islamic hoodlum run into a police car.
A teacher with a room full of students named Mohammad names a teddybear the same and is jailed as crowds gather demanded her head.
The cult of ron says, stay indoors and iqnore the sounds outside, you'll be safe.... yet fatwas and appeasement brings us closer to dimmihood each day. Until one day you go to work and yet another jet slams into the building.
ONE SINGULAR connection seems to be a cultish need to ignore any facts, be it a threat, the racists beside Ron, his own hateful words spanning 30 years and his wish to dissolve our union like that of the USSR.
We truly live in interesting times and the ronbots are way out of step... regardless of how they swarm long into the night.
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"Which is it - finance or IT? Stop spinning nonsense. I doubt whether you have enough superficial knowledge to bluff your way through either fields, judging by what you've already written. Your posts lack substance and your constant attempts at wit are rather desperate, distracting and embarrassing."
Love the cult of ron, whirling dervishes all. I do IT and Finance, happen to be male and am considered quite witty.
Now about Ron and his racism... no? Oh yes TNR is tainted due to past mistakes. They must be held responsible for what was published under their name. Indeed this is so, but then so should Ron.
No one dug up dirt for this "also ran" Libertarian Nader... he is not a serious threat. But diligence reveals his past, as his canidancy reveals his deception.
In the end it's the cult of ron that will be remembered, not the man... in all their nasty programmed glory.
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but was it a conspiracy when Kerry WON, and bush asked for a recount??? This is a load. I cannot wait until the ignorant Neo-Con's RUIN our country and their lives are turned into hell as well. You cannont make a country of obedient working slaves with the NAU, please know this, you will end up getting delinquents. Ron Paul, and Kucinich, are the only people using their BRAINS out there, the rest of these people are here for other reasons. Do you think Obama's relation to Dick Cheney was REALLY unknown. NeoCons are posing as liberals/conservatives to keep you all in this, and you are too ignorant to react. I do not believe they care about us at all. Paul and Kucinich Remember where they came from. How can you not care that the CONSTITUTION no longer stands as authority, but merely whatever bush decides to write???
Huckabee...is being praised by Christians, but do they not realize what a mockery the phone call to god was? Do they not realize he is USING Christianity to secure a seat? I cannot stand your blatant ignorance, and i suppose when you, and all of your loved ones, are tied in this trap, you will still be too stupid to see it. I support Ron Paul because he is HONEST, though his campaign is skewed by idiots. In regards to 9/11, Do you really not think having our troops in other countries was not upsetting people??? Gee, now IMAGINE if ARABS had POSTS HERE. |
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"MKH didn't put so much credibility in The New Republic in the past..."
Of course not. This is no different than the neocon moron Sean Hannity citing the "Daily Kos" as a source for this.
The bottom line with these people is that they would vote for a pig as long as the pig has an "R" after his name. They are party first people.
The neoconized GOP is worse than useless. |
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I'm not going to waste anytime arguing with you, for you are beyond hope. Just keep listening to the radio and Fox and do as they say. Never attempt to establish the truth. Ham is recycling an old lie and people like you either fall for it or knowingly propagate it.
You love war and fiat currency? I'm going to give it to you this November. I'm going to help those dreaded "liberals and democrats" that junior neocons like you always whine about. I'm going to vote for the pig they nominate despite having no use for them. People like you are even worse. You'll get everything you deserve.
I have voted Republican since 1976 and today I do not recognize this party anymore. The last time I saw this much defaming of an honorable man was directed against Pat Buchanan. The GOP been co-opted thanks to idiots like you. You'll get your war with one caveat. You will have to pay for it instead of borrowing money from the PRC.
Remember Crecy and the story of what happen to those Genovese cross bowman. That is what people like you are going to get for stabbing the rest of us in the back. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are something you use as toliet paper regardless of the lip service you pay to it. You won't get the Republifascism you crave, but Demoboshevism.
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for advancing these smears?
Read all the comments here. While they are willing to admit that the evidence is shaky at best, coming from a completely unbiased source, distorted, and probably outright lies, they think it is is important to keep spreading them because "Ron Paul is dangerous with his foreign policy."
So, rather that actually have to debate anyone or convince anyone why his foreign policy is dangerous, they will resort to lying and cheating to stop Ron Paul.
Seriously, read the comments above. This is EXACTLY what they are telling you.
The end justify the means. Stop Ron Paul at all costs. If they have to lie to do it, so be it.
Nevermind that around the same time this "newsletter" (yes, it was ONE issue) came out, the GOP FINANCED a democrat to run against Ron Paul because he wasn't going along to get along.
But, you know, it doesn't matter. If the smear will either be effective or not. No matter how hard you try, you cannot disprove an accusation like this no matter what you say. Some will believe it, some will not. Which is EXACTLY why they use it.
Do, note that this is coming from the liberal camp, of course. Republicans should be careful agreeing and giving them credibility. Trust me, your candidate is next, and it will be pretty difficult to call them liars when you agreed with them so emphatically now. |
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