Tuesday, May 15, 2007
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Can't We All Just Get Along?
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Posted by:
Dean Barnett at
11:51 AM
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There must be something in the water in right wing Blogistan. Maybe we’ve caught a touch of that “rage virus” that the important new movie “28 Weeks Later” documents.
Yesterday, two of the right wing blogosphere’s heavyweights squared off. Glenn Reynolds started things off with a little jab over the widespread appeasement of Muslim sensibilities, commenting, “Sooner or later, you know, fundamentalist Christians are going to pick up on this lesson, engage in similar behavior, and make similar demands. Because, apparently, it works fine.”
This greatly agitated HotAir’s Bryan Preston who shot back with a nasty right cross, “I get the warning and humor of (the) line, but frankly I’m tired of it. Prof. Reynolds needs to hit the books.” Then Bryan got angry, making an extensive case for why Glenn was wrong and chiding “major bloggers” for not “getting it” in regards to what makes Islam different. For what it’s worth, I agreed with most of Bryan’s substance if not his style. For a minute there, Bryan’s anger over this little dust-up reminded me of the good old days when everyone on the right was so civilly discussing the Terri Schiavo situation and Bryan was calling Glenn “InstaPilate.”
As far as yesterday’s festivities are concerned, Glenn’s little jibe violated one of my fundamental rules of snarky writing: If you find it absolutely necessary to tweak an ethnic group, make fun of your own. With that small exception, save the ethnic cracks for your private gatherings and correspondence.
Additionally, I find the substance of Glenn’s statement to be off. Fundamentalist Islam and Fundamentalist Christianity are completely different. Every sect has its whack-jobs and weirdoes. In my tribe of the Jews, my own dear Aunt Susan proudly carries that banner. But the threat posed by Fundamentalist Islam and the antics it’s already inspired like flying 767’s into skyscrapers are unique. Casually comparing that threat to some vague and non-specific Christian bogeyman, even in jest, will offend some folks.
In spite of the foregoing, I found Bryan’s angry counter-post to be over-the-top, although still an enormous step forward from the “InstaPilate” days. One of the things I like about the right wing blogosphere, especially when compared to the left wing blogosphere, is the civility. We can disagree and remain cordial. None of us write in a style that could best be characterized as “angry.” We eschew name-calling, at least among ourselves. (Obviously we’re willing to call John Edwards names, but that’s different.) Disagreeing with Glenn was fine. Saying he needed to hit the books and that he just didn’t get it was needlessly personal.
On a related note, there’s the Red State blog’s “open declaration of war against the Republican House leadership.” The official casus belli is the appointment of Ken Calvert to the House appropriations committee. According to Erick Erickson,
“The House Republican Leadership just does not get it and they will not take us seriously until we flex our muscle against them. We must scalp one member. That member's name is Ken Calvert.”
On the merits, Erick is right. Calvert is by all appearance one of our more shady representatives, and not the kind of guy who should be getting plum committee assignments. Nevertheless, the prose is needlessly purple and hostile. I’m not going to war against other Republicans. I don’t even go to war against Democrats. Especially when there’s a real war going on, such rhetorical table pounding isn’t my cup of tea.
And then there’s this email that Erick sent out today to fellow bloggers:
A reporter called to get my response to this:
(Rep.) John Linder told the reporter less than ten people called yesterday about Calvert and that it does not matter anyway because he does not trust anything bloggers have to say.
So, now you know where you rank with John Linder.
Students of the left wing blogosphere will find this message and Erick’s entire campaign strikingly similar to a Markos Moulitsas operation. The sense of grievance and the naked lust to empower the blogopshere are things that could have easily sprung from Kos’ modem.
Which brings up a deeper question – Is there room on the right for a Kos? I don’t think so. If you look at the top tier of right wing bloggers, they’re almost unfailingly civil. One of the things that made Bryan Preston’s post yesterday so notable was that it flirted with incivility. Erick’s declaration of war goes quite a bit further. If there’s an appetite for manning the barricades on the right and attempting to make the right wing blogs the kingmakers that the left wing blogs are, I’m missing it.
Additionally, the right wing blogosphere, including both bloggers and readers, are well within the conservative mainstream. The reason Kos and company got traction in the first place is because they were way outside the Democratic mainstream. Remember, it wasn’t so long ago that Dr. Dean was the only Democratic presidential candidate who ran as an unambiguous opponent of the war in Iraq. In other words, there was room on the Democratic mainstream’s left for a movement to pop up. That movement found its expression in the left wing blogosphere. There’s not a similar dynamic available on the right. That’s why any movements of this sort will be redolent of personal pique and ambition.
And there’s one other thing, just speaking as one lonely blogger: I’m not into Action Alerts. I’m not into telling you how to protest something or telling you to call Congress. I find the very rare political conference calls that I attend to be a nuisance, even though they do provide a handy opportunity to watch “Family Feud” on the DVR while officially spending my time constructively.
I’m a writer, not an activist, and I have no interest in changing. Although, come to think of it, I wouldn’t mind 600,000 visits a day like Markos gets.
Compliments? Complaints? Contact me at Soxblog@aol.com
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When the Republican tent gets big, as it has, fist fights can become riots if we're not careful. That's when civility and benefit of the doubt is so important. In most all cases, civility is central to our religious faith too. Those admonishments didn't get there by accident.
There's one big political tug of war in this country: Left vs. Right. So, pick a side and be tolerant of those who are pulling basically in your direction, but a little off to the side. By being there, they're helping. We're worse off if they go away.
I've been guilty sometimes as well, but I intend to do better.
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is sharpening knives.
So you and your boy Romney are going to "nice" your way to the Republican nomination? I don't think so. |
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Dean, I'm not interested in being a king maker. But I'm also tired of criticizing without action, something to many bloggers on the right do -- at some point we have to stop just being pundits and start being activists.
We should be spending our time going after the left, but I maintain that we must make sure the House Leadership understands the Calvert appointment is not only bad, it should be undone.
You may be willing to be just a writer and find all of this silly and not worth your time, which is why I'm sure the House Leadership would prefer you writing to those of us calling them.
I prefer to not just call my party to account, but also work to hold it accountable. |
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Glenn is partially right as well as Bryan. Glenn is right in suggesting that Christians & company may want to enjoy some of the freedoms that Muslims are enjoying at public expense. Bryan is right to say that the motivating factor is not from fear of being blown sky high. The real motivating factor from higher education most likely stems from an actual hate (generaly speaking) of conservatives/christians. I would guess that those in the ivory towers see muslims as another persecuted minority in need of protected rights (i.e. foot basins, extra islamic teaching et al) that are to the universities, not so much a matter of religious favortism as it is a snub to judeo-christian values they so openly are against. |
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Respectfully, you're missing my point. The issue I have is one of tone. "Scalp one member"? "Flex our muscle?" "Declaring war"?
I don't think what you're doing is silly or a waste of time. Online activism is a fine thing, just not my cup of tea. |
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1) His audience is the kind of people who hate Christians and appease Muslims. He's pointing out that these are contradictory positions.
2) I think that Muslim doctrine is more susceptible to jihadism than Christian doctrine is, but if jihadism continues to be the high road to getting your way, I wouldn't be surprised if at least some Christian fringes do it. |
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"Big Tent" is nothing new for the Republican Party. The Party started out in the late 1850s as an amalgam of radical abolitionists in the northeast, major industrialists throughout the North, and the agrarians of the upper Midwest. Reagan enlarged the tent (after 40 some years bookended by the New Deal and the Great Society) when he brought in the so-called "Reagan Democrats", and at the same time also energized the Christian right in large numbers with his rhetoric (but little or no real action) in opposition to abortion.
Periodically the tent gets bigger or smaller .. and generally, when the tent gets bigger, the Party wins elections, and when the test gets smaller, it doesn't. Those who prefer to actually make at least incremental progress toward whatever their political goals are, generally try to avoid pulling out the long-knives for their fellow tent-persons. Those who are more satisfied with moral victories are quicker to sharpen those knives.
InstaPundit's Glenn Reynolds is not a "movement Republican" .. he's from the Libertarian wing of the party ... he's not particularly energized over social issues, but he's representative of a key part of the coalition. It's not surprising that from time to time he'll post something that offends the Christian right. I don't think he's particularly going all out to provoke his fellow big-tenters, these are just natural differences that arise from time to time in a coalition party of sometimes competing interests.
As for the other stuff with the Calvert situation, in the overall big picture it's silly to go after any other Republican, in the self-defeating "circular firing squad" mode of operation, when we have far more serious existential challenges to face from Dems and international Islamist terrorists, etc. etc. If any group within the Party wants to encourage a primary challenge in Calvert's district, that's fine. But as in any circular firing squad scenario, the momentary pleasure one may experience of seeing your perceived opponent go down to bloody defeat is pretty much neutralized when you find yourself face down in the dirt, bleeding, and your vision is fading away.
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Of course the President has a bully pulpit. And there you have it, why the very left hates him.
They don't want Americans to emulate his graciousness. They don't want Americans to take seriously mannerly ethical conduct--as if it matters, really.
They don't want Americans to value honor, duty, and self sacrifice.
It's not all the other stuff, well maybe some, but really it is his example of how one may, can, conduct oneself in the day-to-day living of one’s life. |
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I have gotten several surveys from the RNS or some other official party group and have fill them out expressing my views and then I have written on them that they won't be getting any of my money as long as they support people like Lincoln Chaffee, who didn't even support the President on anything that matters to me. I feel like that was a waste of the money people like me contributed to support Republicans, not RINO's. I think that is one of the main reasons why the Republicans lost in 2006. Another main reason, IMHO, is that hardly anyone liked how the war on terror was be conducted. I'm not in favor of withdrawing, but what was being done previously was obviously not getting the job done. I think that with the "surge", there is a chance that we can make some progress and I am a firm supporter of the "surge". A third reason people didn't vote for Republicans is because the Republicans in Congress didn't address the "family values issues" with any kind of enthusiasm at all, not did they take the fight to the Dumocrats when they had the chance. It was like the Republicans were afraid that they might be seen as having some principles that were worth fighting for and they didn't want to fight because someone in the MSM might be offended. |
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Dean,
I thought Erick Erickson missed your point, too.
And when he speaks of "scalping" GOP members, you can see where his scorched earth policy reared its head against Mitt Romney for his wife's $150 contribution to Planned Parenthood in 1994.
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"Every sect has its whack-jobs and weirdoes. In my tribe of the Jews, my own dear Aunt Susan proudly carries that banner."
I take it your aunt doesn't read your blog?
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You bring up an interesting point. You (like the vast majority of Republicans - apparently even in Rhode Island) had a very low opinion of Lincoln Chaffee, for obvious ideological reasons. You and others (including me) thought the RNC was wrong to support Chaffee in his primary election against his more conventional R challenger.
Yet, possibly (but I really don't know)if Republicans had backed Chaffee more strongly, he might have won his general election campaign .. and thus we'd be spared the pleasure of Crazy Harry Reid's presiding over the Senate. One race gone the other way, and it would have been Senate Majority Leader McConnell.
It's true we'd rather have a true believer representing the Party in Washington ... on the other hand, if a true believer cannot get elected in a true blue state like RI, then what's worse? A RINO in a Republican-led Senate, doing battle on a daily basis with Pulosi Galore? Or what we have now?
The answer, either way, is very difficult. Maybe if we'd had better candidates in other States, like Montana, we wouldn't have had to make such Solomonic choices in deciding whom to let into the Big Tent in RI. |
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I don't think saving Chaffee would've changed anything; if a Republican majority depended upon him, he'd jump like Jeffords.
There are times when having a majority isn't worth much, like when you have the responsibility to get things done but you lack the ability to actually do them.
Really, the only thing the Dems are getting from their Senate majority is control of the committees (which enables their "investigation" strategy). While that's more than "nothing," they're not going to be able to get much of anything controversial done in the face of united Republican opposition.
And there's the rub - how "united" will the "Republican opposition" prove to be? |
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Lost my regular readership a long time ago. In reference to Evolution vs Intelligent Design he linked to and participated in some really Kos-esque hysterical atheist crap that just turned me off. It was like the "Pleasant Smart Guy" mask came off for a minute to reveal the snarling, drooling God-hater beneath. I turned away and haven't really been back since. I'm sure I'm not alone. |
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I know this is not the point of this article. I am sorry about feeling the needs to bring this up. Bryan Preston (and a few of you) did not appreciate being told what you as Christians are all about. You know what you believe, and it is no where like radical Muslims. It so happened that many of us LDS, commonly known as Mormons, felt the same when we were told by many of you that we believe in such-such. If you do not appreciate this labeling from the left, then I too would ask you please give us the same privilage that you demand from them, to let us believe in Christ as our savior, and that we, like you, do have the one to one relationship with him. Thank you for your consideration. |
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Not the time or place for that... |
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A couple of weeks ago, I was ambushed by a fellow commenter (we're cool now) to which I politely responded with a suggestion that he read my blog before attacking me. The next comment to appear was Dean threatening to throw BOTH of us out. Good thing Dean wasn't that old testament guy King Solomon. I have a feeling the baby would have been cut in half and the women dragged out wailing to be punished for not working it out among themselves. Dean doesn't mess around. Get along or else!!! |
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Still moaning about that? Live in the now!
Or else. |
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I did not understand Instapundit to be predicting that Christians would soon be beheading folks and blowing s*** up in order to get special privleges. That's not going to happen, but why wouldn't Christians and Jews (or Mormons) go to the courts and demand the same kind of crap that the Muslims get. |
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