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It is so sad to see a Catholic that can't handle the death of his family better than to blame God for all that is wrong in his life, for his sorrow. He then strikes out against anything about God with such hateful vengeance.I can hope at the time of his death he will be smart enough to ask God to forgive him so he can join his parents in heaven. |
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Obama promises a lot of things but does exactly what he pleases..He lies and
I doubt he fooled the pope.
He feigns similarities to all peoples and flatters their egos and lies a lot for a specific purpose..
Has it dawned on anyone that he appoints a Christian scientist and visits the pope and campaigns in countries all over the word frequently to win the votes of all groups in the WORLD PRESIDENCY.. I hope everyone knows Obama will not be content to just destroy America.. His vision is much more far reaching than that.. |
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so, is divorce a privilege or a right? Who should decide whether divorce is legal--bible or civil law? Seems to me the bible people like you thump is very specific and harsh about the effects of divorce, yet 'righteous' folks like you seem to do nothing to stop divorce. Don't tell me that you are personally against it...most of the crazy people who voted for Prop 8 in CA were personally against gay marriage and voted to ban it. Where's the outrage and movement to ban divorce?
For centuries, there was polygamy. In places like Italy, where divorce was (still kinda is) not allowed, you just had a lover on the side, kind of sequential polygamy. Hypocrites like Sanford and Ensign make marriage a joke, not any kind of 'sanctified' thing.
You contend that gay sex is perverted. I suggest you watch Paris Hilton's sex tape or any porn that seems to sell best in the red states and see just how many 'straight' couples engage in exactly the same sex acts as gay people do.
At least be honest...your opposition to gay marriage is (a) only really against male marrying male because female marrying female doesn't creep you out as much, and (b) because you are afraid of your own latent homosexuality possibilities. I mean, how many middle aged men get divorced and end up in gay relationships....because they were born gay and sublimated to fit into society, just like so many Catholic priests. If you were a gay Irish American male, you couldn't say unmarried too long and not get the 'homo' rumor thing, so you found god. Then you found boys because you were repressed.
Meanwhile, seems the Pope really liked Obama, just like most everyone who meets him.
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from a realistic and practical perspective, marriage was formed to protect the temple-state from the economic burdens imposed by orphans.
in fact, however, there are very important, civilizing virtues that arise from the discipline of marriage. these virtues are good for civilization. they are good for humanity. they are certainly good for any country--including ours. virtues like fidelity. commitment. abiding love. service. decency.
human beings have always been slaves to their instincts and passions. marriage was a workaround to that enslavement. now, we can use contraception to reduce the consequences of those instincts and passions. but the virtues imparted by marriage remain. as does its benefits.
why on earth, then, would we deny these benefits to our gay countrymen? in fact, we ourselves benefit from gay marriage. everyone benefits from marriage. it is, as i said, a civilizing discipline.
we have your argument, and Ronnas or whomever, blah blah blahing about God this and degeneracy that. and we have our lying eyes, which tell us that marriage is a good thing. i am glad that the younger folks in particular are deciding to believe their lying eyes, and that old phony baloneys are receding into the ash-heap of history. |
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likes Obama just like most of the world (besides TH crazies). Now, the RC leaders in the US have hissy fits about Obama, but Benedict seems to 'get' the concept of a pragmatic, smart, charismatic, witty leader like Obama. Bet Benedict has more in common with Obama than he did with Bush. |
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I for one am not offended by the word GOD on our currency, and nt everyone (except you 'lost' atheists.) |
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Amen, Brother! And God bless you for righteously standing against those who have no respect for the initial intent of marriage between a man and a woman. And woe be unto those who believe that the disgusting, vile, vulgar, unhealthy, un-natural act of gay sex is to be accepted and condoned to the point of allowing them to marry. It goes against the very laws of nature as nothing else does. |
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Marriage is a pjrivilege which for centuries has been reserved to unit a man and woman in matrimony. People who engage in perverted sexual actrivities of people of the same sex do not qualify for marriage - it;s a parternership they have eleced to enter into for an explilcit pourpose |
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Why is it even the allegedly conservative message boards don't distinguish embryonic from adult stem cell research when reporting the church's opposition? The Catholic Church supports adult stem cell research, which is the kind that has produced ALL the wonderful medical results. It opposes only the embryo-killing stem cell research which has been shown to be non-productive and unnecessary because of better alternatives. Obama should put science first and put more money toward adult stem cell research which is not only ethically good, but would find the cures for diabetes, etc. it is already on the brink of achieving. |
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Raff
The Catholic church is nothing like the Taliban, you crazy heathen
Me- Right. I mean the Catholic church isn't misogynistic like the Taliban... oh, wait, it is.
Well, well, the Catholic Church doesn't support terrorism.... oh, wait, they supported the IRA and its terror campaign.
Hey, the Taliban doesn't have sex with little boys... I guess that's something.
Let's be blunt, all religion is evil, all religion is about trying to control people's lives, and the sooner we evolve above it, the better for everyone.
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When Popintine (Doesn't Benedict look like Palpatine/Darth Sideous from the Star Wars movies?) handed Obama another tiresome lecture about Abortion and Stem Cell Research, Obama hands him an extradition request to send Berand Law back to the US to stand trial for his role in the pedophile priest scandal. |
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Vlad/Lucky Pozzo warning
Arch says Vlad is a liar!!
Every member of this forum should always remember that when the libtard Vladimir Estrogan calls you a liar, that he himself has been nailed right here on townhall in a colossal lie by good old Arch walking in the footsteps of a veteran genius named Roy Rogers. You cannot believe anything Vlad posts |
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raffaella writes: Friday, July, 10, 2009 10:08 PM
I am an intolerant wretch!
Chalk it up to grumpiness caused by an impacted colon!
(Probably caused by all the neocon wingtips lodged up my butt!)
Arch says
Can I go up there too? |
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kayann writes: Saturday, July, 11, 2009 12:02 AM
The Catholic Church
The day that the Church deals with it's misogynistic doctrine and pedophilia is the day that the Pope has any right to sway our President in regard to stem cell research and women's right to choose.
Arch says
Kay. Do you apply the same standards to the filthy Muslims? At least they allow the unborn to live for a time before beheading or stoning them to death! |
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The day that the Church deals with it's misogynistic doctrine and pedophilia is the day that the Pope has any right to sway our President in regard to stem cell research and women's right to choose. |
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Chalk it up to grumpiness caused by an impacted colon!
(Probably caused by all the neocon wingtips lodged up my butt!) |
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Too true. Liberation theology (Marxism dressed up in Christian terms) has had a foothold in the Catholic church for many years. How else would socialism have taken root in predominantly RC South America? |
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The Catholic church is nothing like the Taliban, you crazy heathen |
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Anti-capitalists of the world, unite!
Obama will meet with anyone whom he believes can further his desire to turn America into a fully fascist state. Of course he turned to the Vatican with its history of supporting every (not overtly atheist) form of centralized planning.
Mussolini and Franco were both thoroughly supported by the Vatican, in exchange for making Catholicism the state religion.
But go ahead, talk about their differences on abortion and gay marriage, you know, the really important things.
Don't think about what they agree on, things like socialized health care, salary limits on executives, nationalized industries, you know, the unimportant stuff. |
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How very tolerant of you! |
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Using your checking account or your plastic, I believe that is US currency still. |
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Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is in the Constitution. The court may be responsible for upholding them, but they did not come from man. They came from God. That is what our forefathers.
How about we poke a little fun at your POV along with a little clarity about our beginnings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h02jtMIauIA&feature=channel_ page
Happy Friday and may God bless you all. |
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"pandering?
he's in Italy...all presidents go to the Vatican. I don't think they should, just as i don't think they should pander to the Jewish folks in Israel."
Yes, pandering. After all, he told the world we are not a Christian nation, so why *should* he visit the head of the largest Christian denomination in the world? The pope has no political power in his own right.
Israel is a secular nation, so if he were to pander to Jews there, it wouldn't be through a religious leader. Do you have some other objection to America's support of Israel? |
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abortion, gays and gender equality are individual freedom issues, not social issues. Social issues are about wealthfare of society.
There is a BIG difference between equal oppurtinity and equal results. The left always thinks the outcome needs to be equal (spread the wealth!).
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Constitution controls, not the Declaration of Independence. I don't worry about President Obama taking away my 'rights'. President Bush already did a great job doing that. Check the news today.
Our courts secure our rights, not some 'god'.
You can believe in your god because of our constitution, just as I am allowed to not believe. |
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Are you okay with your inalielable rights? Or is it also bothersome that our forefathers thought it proper that a higher power granted us life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Sadly, your president views these as 'negative' rights against what goverment can do to its people. He would rather take them away from you. That is why it was written the way it was, to gaurantee them.
God help us all (oops, that would be offensive).
May we all be saved from this debacle (oops, that would imply a higher power).
We're screwed? |
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Ayatollah Ali Khamnenie, the supreme leader of Iran Islamic Republic, who claims authority from GOD!
Strange enough the presumed Iran president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, claims there are no gays in Iran,
I personally seen them hanging off the construction cranes! |
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Ayatollah Ali Khamnenie, the supreme leader of Iran Islamic Republic, who claims authority from GOD!
Strange enough the presumed Iran president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, claims there are no gays in Iran,
I personally seen them hanging off the construction cranes! |
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anthem during the vietnam war. protest. Never started it again.
Are we annoyed by the use of the word 'god' on the money? Sure. But I hardly ever use cash. |
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for the National Anthem, what are you too tired? |
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yeah one ticks you off, the other ticks me off. |
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I don't stand for the national anthem, Do you and your husband get offened when you use money, seeing Gods name appears there? |
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between attending a commencement or other event at a US college that happens to be catholic based, and pretending that the pope is head of some foreign nation. I don't accept it. It doesn't make the Vatican invalid, it is simply my opinion. I want all religious references removed from my government's activities, whether god bless america on the money or in a speech, etc.
Just my preference. If I were truly annoyed, I would seek to amend the constitution. It isn't that big a deal. If a man who I respect like Obama still believes in religious silliness, that is his business, just as he may root for the Chicago White Sox and I root for the Dodgers. |
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I didn't hear any complaints when obama had to speak at georgetown and have the statues covered, or when he did Notre Dames Graduation, most libs loved that obama was sticking his middle finger in Catholics eye., but you have a problem with him going to see the Pope, you have a problem with him going to the Vatican. We had a problem then you have a problem now. |
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sorry, my 'social' issues are truly social--gay rights, abortion rights, gender equality. Don't know what social engineering you are talking about. |
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Private research was never prohibited from doing research on stem cells, just using govt money. If it were proving to be viable, the private sector would have all the funding it needed.
What is showing promise is adult stem cell strings, and thats where the funding is. Obama's stance on stem cell is merely more pandering? or perhaps more of that sound science and mathematical skills the Dems use with other issues? |
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offended doesn't mean I'm affected in any way. When I hear Obama say 'god bless america', I turn to my husband and we grimace a bit, sad that a man we do respect a lot is still using that nonsensical phrase. But it doesn't mean anything to us. I don't stand for the national anthem, either. Does that mean I am miserable? Hardly. Life, as my friend in Palermo emailed me, è magnifica e splendida.
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Social Stuff...
Funny you beleive that and not realize just how much Social Engineering is a part of the Dems Agenda. |
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If you are going to go through life being so easily offended, its going to make for a miserable life.
Wow, an epiphany as to why liberals are so miserable?
Andrea, Yes, the veil is respectful. So is covering your shoulders. She has more respect for the Pope than Congress I guess. |
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but not for anyone who is a social conservative. Roe, stem cell, gay marriage are important to me. Lower taxes and spending are important to me. I have to go with the social issues because I believe govt. should stay out of the social stuff, hence I vote for the Dem. |
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"...however, i put my differences aside when the election comes around."
Then why don't you vote for conservatives? |
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Do you think the Pope is concerned with articulation? Or the sanctity of Life?
No Faux Pas for MO, She kept her shoulders covered this time.
Wonder if the Pope had any comments about Nutterbutter Harry Knox?
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"but I am also offended when he says things like 'god bless america' and had prayers at his inauguration."
Well, that's simply because you're a moron. |
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he's in Italy...all presidents go to the Vatican. I don't think they should, just as i don't think they should pander to the Jewish folks in Israel. |
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but I am also offended when he says things like 'god bless america' and had prayers at his inauguration. Unlike you on the right, however, i put my differences aside when the election comes around. |
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probably a requirement for any woman to meet the pope (don't know for sure, I'm not Catholic), president's wife or not. I was just giving you a hard time, Kaboom, because you object to Obama trying to pander to American Catholics with this visit. He needs their votes for re-election, you see. So, it's really not about religion at all. |
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"why does our secular president have to meet with a religious leader?"
Hey, you elected him. Guess you have only yourself to blame.
Either that or there's something seriously wrong with your notion of secularism.
I say it's a little of both.
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the Vatican is not a legit 'country', and that visit was unacceptable. I'm sure if you research presidential visits to the vatican, I'm sure you'll see all first ladies wore veils.
At least the Pope saw that we've finally got another president who can speak more than 2 words without stumbling. |
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How did you guess that's next? See, Michelle is even practicing for the Taliban as she wore a black veil to meet the pope. Could donning a burkha be far behind? |
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have to meet with a religious leader? Is the Taliban leader next? |
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