Thursday, December 04, 2008
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John Fund Predicts ...
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Posted by:
Matt Lewis at
8:58 AM
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Yesterday I attended an event featuring The Wall Street Journal's John Fund, who gave a fascinating talk about his book "Stealing Elections".
Fund is always an entertaining and insightful speaker, and on this occasion, he made two predictions which caught my attention:
1. Fund predicted that the first bill Obama signs as president will be to mandate national "same day" voter registration. His reasoning is that the first bill that Bill Clinton signed was "motor voter." Obviously, this bill would go a long way toward making sure future elections can be stolen by groups like ACORN, etc.
2. Fund predicted that even if Norm Coleman is certified the winner of the MN senate race over Al Franken, Harry Reid will refuse to seat him.
As Fund explained, this is not unprecedented; In 1984, the House of Representatives refused to seat Indiana Republican Rick McIntyre who narrowly defeated his Democratic opponent Frank McCloskey by 34 votes -- even though the Republican was certified by the Indiana Secretary of State. McCloskey ended up winning the seat in 1986.
Under the Constitution, the senate gets to decide who the winner was.
In short, Harry Reid and the Democrats who control the senate could decide that MN should have counted the rejected absentee ballots which would have elected Franken if counted.
According to Article I, Sec. 5 the senate can choose whom to swear-in -- regardless of who the SoS certifies as the winner:
"Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members" It will be interesting to see if either of these events occur, but either way, it is wise to anticipate the possibility that history might repeat itself...
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You make excellent points. But, I would almost like to see Reid try this, just because I would LOVE to see him go down in flames in 2010 over it. I live in Nevada and will be working very hard in 2010 to make sure he does not get re-elected. |
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If you had, you would know that ACORN is not stealing elections. They register voters, and some of their paid representatives made up names. As the cliché goes (and it is true), they may have registered Mickey Mouse, but Mickey Mouse did not show up to vote!
The real election stealing was done by Diebold and others in Florida, Ohio, and many other states. If you want to see the overwhelming evidence of this, go to http://www.freepress.org and read any of the articles by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman. The evidence is more than strong enough to hold up in court, and people have gone to jail in Ohio. However, the corporate (that is, mainstream) media has kept it quiet and (most of) our elected representatives do not have the spine to bring it up.
By the way Vanagon, Hussein was president of Iraq, not the U.S. Chuck, who is this perjury-plagued president bo that you speak of? It seems that you left off his name, and what does "bo" mean? And when did we ever have a non-U.S. citizen elected president? |
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if a sob like reid can seat whoever he wants why have election in the first place,and the liberal dems talk about republicans being crooked,bull---- |
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My2cebtsoplus doesn't want somebody dumb as a box of rocks running America,but I guess he is satisfied with have a new president who has friends that would not allow a person to be able to get security clearence.President Elect gets a pass on that because he won the election.
DocInsight about past elections is excellent,you never hear the msm talking about how JFK won the election over Nixon.He is their first sacred cow,all the mistakes of his admistration are never talked about.Than again the Dems think they can do anything because what ever it takes to win is okey,that is just on their side.
Before 2010 every state should have voter photo ID,and after this election they should also be required to answer a few questions to make sure they know who and what they are voting for.This last lection was won by the msm and voter stupidity,
ACORN should not receive another dollar from the government,Republican congresmen stand up and don't let ACORN the left leaning group have another fed dollar. We also really need to get organized in every state for 2010 and 2012.Republicans need to bring to light all the coruptness that is in Congress,the republicans get rid of their own,but Dems think they can do anything and stay in office.
The voters spoke in La,and also Alaska,corrupt Rep and Dem should be removed from office.I also think in this time of our economy meltdown,congress should be required to give back their salaries,especially when they are not working in their offices,and are out campaiging. Out Governor in Kansas was missing a lot in this campaign cycle,she was out waving the flag for the President Elect,she is now going to stay at home because now there is work to be done. Her glass celing was shattered because she actually didn't get a plum appoitment from President Elect,so now she is going to work for the citizens who elected her and pay her salary.How convenient. |
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The princess.
Sorry Nacola, I think that both Joey and Palin did more damage to the GOP than anything this election. I don't know about you, but I don't want someone dumb as a box of rocks running my country. AND at a lower level, unless that plumber is licensed, I don't want him near any pipe in my home. I guess I just have higher standards than others.
But, I don't want this election stolen by the DNC. When you win, you win. When you lose, you lose. Franken lost. |
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Harry Reid is a scum bag. |
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Reid, Pelosi and the Democrat left will push for the Senate to confirm Stuart Smalley (aka Franken) if Coleman wins by less than a couple hundred votes even though Saxby Chambliss messed up their 60 seat majority. Because they will want to get EVERY seat that they can and rub the Repubs. noses in it.
They know that with an eager, simpering, drooling, sycophantic, lapdog media they will have an already apathetic populous electorate that simply won't care. This is EXACTLY why we have the poor public schools that we do.
Yes, Reid and the Dem Senate will be perfectly within their rights to do this. And can if they want. And if the Repubs. did the same thing in the future, they still wouldn't have the stones to point out the hypocrisy.
But if it happens, we need to putting together the get out the vote strategy NOW! And not waste time crying about the way things turned out (like the Dems did up until this last year over the 2000 election. Seven years of crying and whining, sheeeesh).
We all know that when Conservatives run on Conservative values and platforms and show that they mean it in their actions, the way they govern and campaign, they win almost every time. And the Repubs. have completely blown that over the last 5 years thinking that they need to be more liberal (moderate? - Riiiiiight). No matter what the MSM want to say, this is mainly a Center/Right country and the Libs can't compete on the issues because of that. There is a large segment of the "Center" that live their lives farther to the right than they vote. And the conservatives need to give them the reasons they need to vote more to the right (proof are the Reagan/Blue Dog Democrats). The Libs know this and it is why they work so hard to divide the constituency.
TIME TO GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!! AND START IT NOW!!!!!!!!
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'keep your powder dry, boys'....that old saying war'nt said for nuthin' you know |
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It is time that the GOP gets tough. |
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I hope he over-reaches and creates a backlash. But then again, with a complicit media, the backlash may only happen on townhall and on talk radio where it will be relegated by the voting populace to the fringes.
You'd think that with a resume as thin as Barack's, and with the unseemly company he's kept in the past, that character and experience would matter enough to keep this least qualified and most socialist of candidates out of the White House. But as we've seen, the media made enough of an impact to swing the voters toward Obama (along with the gazillion he spent, and the hypnotic susceptibility of an unthinking zombie like majority who believe slogans like "yes we can" equal experience).
The same can happen here. The apologists will cover for Reid's over-reaching. All of a sudden the media bobbleheads will become overnight constitutional experts, justifying the act as legal. They will go above and beyond to portray the legitimate winner, Coleman, as a spoiler or a ranting sore loser. It's not enough for them that they retain a close-to-super majority in the Senate--the left has a scorched earth policy. Not only do they find it imperative to seat Frankenstein, they need to destroy Coleman too.
Remember Joe the Plumber and Palin--anyone that stands in the way of The Messiah is an infidel, a blasphemer that must be burned at the stake of public opinion. |
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Reid already has his super-majority when you count the RINO's left in senate. His refusal will make great attack ad material for 2010. |
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See how much people enjoyed life under Philip II in Spain (perhaps you've heard of his inquisition?), Richelieu, or James? Please don't allow the failings of fallible humans to sour you on rights that are a gift from God. |
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IS A LIE. How can anyone trust a form of government that kills its own in the most massive genocide in history and call itself "just?" I have had it with our government and democracy. I now declare myself a full-fledged MONARCHIST! As long as the monarch is Catholic and God-fearing. This senate run-off election engineering and Obamanation is all the prof you need to know that democracy is lie, it's only reason being to ameliorate the public by making us think we control the country. The citizens don't control jack spit. The USA needs to wake and declare Christ as its King and bring abortion and sodomite and lesbian unions and "marriage" to an end. |
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should be willing to accept someone who failed paying his taxes, who wrote "porn-o-rama", & racy jokes, for Playboy.
Rep.William J.Jefferson, Democrat Louisiana, despite federal bribery charges retained his seat! Handily beat his rival. When prosecutors announced the indictment last year, they said Mr. Jefferson basically faced a maximum sentence of 235 years in prison if convicted.
Then, we have our beloved Charley Rangel of New York forgetting to pay taxes! On his numerous residences.
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If in fact Norm Coleman wins in spite of Franken's shenanigans and his victory is overturned by the corrupt Reid Senate, it is time for a little oversight of Congress. That would be "we the people."
It is about time that we stop letting this psuedo mafia circus we call our government continue to overturn the will of the people.
Even though prop 8 passed in California, special interest types are trying to declare it null and void. We are not an "oligarchy" yet, but if we don't start riding herd on our elected officials, we will be soon. |
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Why am I not reading about Obama's citizenship problem on TH? The GOP is intimidated, that's why.
Richard Nixon thought he was doing the country a favor by not challenging JFK's fraudulent victory in 1960. In truth, he did us a disservice because the Dems learned that fraud pays and can be commited with impunity. They been defrauding us ever since: Loretta Sanchez, Christine Gregoire, Parris Glendenning, Claire McCaskill... the list goes on and on.
GOP = a bunch of sissies. |
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You nailed it: we are tired of cowards and the Stupid Party is the weaker of the species.
Hey MaryStella - great point: a scumbag like Franken is not worth it. Unfortunately, as we've seen before the Dems can and will do whatever they want. |
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Prince Reid after all is a politician, and will realize heavy the stench will leave behind.
Franken is not worth it. |
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I agree with the fact and the point of law ML cited. I comprehend that ML is not the bearer of sour grapes. It was the amount of vitriol in the comments to ML's article that I found so sour they compelled me to respond. And yes, I admit it, I doubted any of those same folks were equally outraged with the outcome of the 2000 Presidential race. But the judgment made was legal, if not personally satisfying. The Minn. election may come down to the Senate calling the winner as sanctioned by law and cited by Matt Lewis. Some of the posters will have to get over it and move on just as many of us were told to do so after the 2000 election results.
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Article I Section 5: Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members...
In 1975 The Senate intervened because there were glaring irregularities in the re-counts.
In 1984 The House intervened because there were glaring irregularities in the re-counts.
Neither case had the chamber pick the winner. They were merely judging the elections and the returns.
But, pay no attention to what follows Article I Section 5.
Article I Section 6: No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time...
That means you Sen. Clinton !
Both "Parties" pick and choose which Article and Section to follow; and which to ignore. |
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Are you saying that it will be ok when a Republican majority congress refuses to seat a Democrat?
I would be then you would caterwaul! You are being very short-sighted. I suspect you believe there will be Democrat majorities as far as the eye can see. You can dream, but reality tends to bite.
I say if Coleman is found to be the winner, Reid will seat him. He already knows that Dems hold on power is fragile at best. ANY over-reaching is going to result is a backlash that he would rather not be charged with. |
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John,
You apparently have a pulse on the criminal voting irregularities. We are imploring you to stand up and organize a VOTERS RIGHTS effort, that will apply universally (across state to state) to all American Citizen voters, allowing ONLY American Citizens to vote ONCE and ONLY ONCE for an CERTIFIED CANDIDATE !!
We need to identify an impartial (non-partisan) and ACCOUNTABLE agent of the United States Government to irrefutably determine that all candidates appearing on any ballots, be CERTIFIED as American Citizens, and that the PRESIDTIAL CANDIDATES BE IDENTIFIED AS NATURALLY BORN AMERICAN CITIZENS !!! ... and not be a diluted, watered-down foreign born, affirmative-action, criminally fraudulent, perjury-plagued president like bo !!
I will assist, but do not have the platform you do, so we are looking to YOU in this most crucial endeavor !!
HELP US, JOHN !!
Chuck
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Your reading comprehension skills seem to be a little off. Matt is giving us facts - the senate decides who the winner is - even though it may not support the Republican who I am assuming, though he does not state it, that he supports. Sour grapes would be the liberal response to Election 2000 when bush lost the popular vote but won the electoral college and all the gerrymandering they libs tried to stop / proceed with recounts that would only help themsleves. |
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It seems to me that the only times election results are overturned are when Dems are defeated, at least in high profile elections. Examples: Dino Rossi in WA; the attempt to steal FL in 2000 (even after numerous re-counts confirmed Bush's victory); even JFK in 1960 Chicago. It is the Dems who use dead, transient, stoned and otherwise ignorant voters to turn elections in their favor.
As Hugh Hewitt wrote: If it's not close, they can't cheat! |
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I'm not kidding and yes, I do want to go down that road. If you don't like Article 1. Sec 5 then use appropriate measures to change it. Until then quit whining. |
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are you kidding?
The people vote and Coleman wins, yet Reid seats someone else. You dont see the hyporcrisy in that? You dont see how ignoring the vote results contradicts all the democrat crying when Gore lost to Bush and Kerry lost to Bush?
Once again, the left is doing exactly what they accuse the republicans of - If Reid seats the loser then all the talk about every vote must count and respect the voters will be thrown out because the democrat agenda is to gain 60 seats by any means necessary |
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I REALLY do not think you want to go down that road. There will probably be a Republican majority in the Senate after the 2012 election. How about the Republican leadership decides not to seat Kennedy or Kerry?
Don't you think the voters of Minnesota have a rigth to elect their senators rather than Reid? |
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Matt Lewis writes "Under the Constitution, the senate gets to decide who the winner was." So why the sour grapes?
Sounds like (yet, again) Republicans have a problem with Constitutional compliance when it doesn't help their agenda. How fair and balanced of you.
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I don't see him not seating Coleman. As a previous poster stated, the Internet will heat up the battle and the Reptile might even face a recall if he tries this shoddy trick! |
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Liberals usually fall asleep after a few bong hits, couple 40s and playing Xbox in their parent’s basement until the wee hours of the night! |
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I suspect Reid's time is up in 2010? Who's running against him? He needs to go. Classless individual. |
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actually letting real voters count, yet scream bloody murder when your scum candidate loses that it must be because the election was stolen. I would ask how you sleep at night, but I know that as a leftist, you have no concience to be bothered with. |
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...for the Senate either. In 1975, they refused to seat Louis Wyman, a New Hampshire Republican who ultimately won his seat by 2 votes after a second recount reversed the first, which reversed the election-day results. Ultimately, they had a 'Rat-suggested do-over after 6 failed attempts to seat the Democrat challenger, John Durkin (which failed because of the filibuster, despite the fact the Democrats already had 60 seats plus an independent in their caucus). Durkin won the do-over.
They do say bad things come in threes. |
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Dems will be over the top this cycle, they actually believe they have the "people" on their side to do every crazy idea they have, so they will try to put that IDIOT in and I still wonder what the people of minnasota hate the rest of us so much for because to even come close to electing that fool for congress shows a total contempt for the entire country and is an insult to us all.Reid as well, the Dems are so well represented between polosi reid frank dodd and now maybe franken, my god how do dems sleep at night or are they truely on a mission to destroy this country and take over the ruins . |
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I doubt Reid will refuse to seat Coleman. Yes the Democrats tried and succeeded in this gutter tactic in 1984 in a Congressional race, however the Senate race involving a moderately well known actor is way to high profile. Back in 1984 there was no Internet and people got their news from CBS, NBS and ABC. There would be OUTRAGE if Minnesota declares Coleman the winner and Reid and the Democrats refuse to seat him. Reid could kiss his reelection chances good bye if he tries that stunt. As is, Reid is in for a tough fight in 2010. |
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