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Wednesday, August 23, 2006
Walter E. Williams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Will the West defend itself?
by Walter E. Williams
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Does the United States have the power to eliminate terrorists and the states that support them? In terms of capacity, as opposed to will, the answer is a clear yes.

Think about it. Currently, the U.S. has an arsenal of 18 Ohio class submarines. Just one submarine is loaded with 24 Trident nuclear missiles. Each Trident missile has eight nuclear warheads capable of being independently targeted. That means the U.S. alone has the capacity to wipe out Iran, Syria or any other state that supports terrorist groups or engages in terrorism -- without risking the life of a single soldier.

Terrorist supporters know we have this capacity, but because of worldwide public opinion, which often appears to be on their side, coupled with our weak will, we'll never use it. Today's Americans are vastly different from those of my generation who fought the life-and-death struggle of World War II. Any attempt to annihilate our Middle East enemies would create all sorts of handwringing about the innocent lives lost, so-called collateral damage.

Such an argument would have fallen on deaf ears during World War II when we firebombed cities in Germany and Japan. The loss of lives through saturation bombing far exceeded those lost through the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

After the battle of Midway, and the long string of Japanese defeats in the Pacific, including Guam, Okinawa and the Philippines, had today's Americans been around, they'd be willing to negotiate with Japan for peace, pointing to the additional loss of lives if we continued the war. More than likely they would have made the same argument in 1945, when German defeat was imminent. Of course, had there been a peace agreement with Japan and Germany, all it would have achieved would have been to give them time to recoup their losses and resume their aggression at a later time, possibly equipped with nuclear weapons.

We might also note that the occupation of Germany and Japan didn't pose the occupation problems we face in Iraq. The reason is we completely demoralized our enemies, leaving them with neither the will nor the means to resist.

Our adversaries in the Middle East have advantages that the axis powers didn't have -- the Western press and public opinion. We've seen widespread condemnation of alleged atrocities and prisoner mistreatment by the U.S., but how much media condemnation have you seen of beheadings and other gross atrocities by Islamists?

Terrorists must be pleased by statements of some members of Congress, such as those by Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., who recently said, "I don't take sides for or against Hezbollah." Hezbollah, backed by Iran, is responsible for the 1983 bombing of Beirut barracks killing 241 U.S. service members.

I'm not suggesting that we rush to use our nuclear capacity to crush states that support terrorism. I'm sure there are other less drastic military options. What I am suggesting is that I know of no instances where appeasement, such as the current Western modus operandi, has borne fruit.

What Europeans say about what should be done about terrorist states should fall on deaf ears. Their history of weakness and cowardice during the 1930s goes a long way toward accounting for the 60 million lives lost during World War II. During the mid-'30s, when Hitler started violating the arms limitations of the Versailles Treaty, France and Britain alone could have handily defeated him, but they pursued the appeasement route.

Anyone who thinks current Western appeasement efforts will get Iran to end its nuclear weapons program and end its desire to eliminate Israel is dumber than dumb. Appeasement will strengthen Iran's hand, and it looks as if the West, including the United States, is willing to be complicit in that strengthening.

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Dr. Williams serves on the faculty of George Mason University as John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics and is the author of More Liberty Means Less Government: Our Founders Knew This Well.
 
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Wobbly Walter
You went all wobbly on me, Walter. You outlined what we can do, but you suggested we don't do it. Worse, no alternative plan. (Kind of sounds like a democrat.)

To sterilize ths world of Islam would rob the rest of us of:

advances in surgery and medica...
further space explor...
a loss of symphonic mus...
excitement in lady's fash...
continuing improvement in computer technol...
more access to consumer good...
I know,,,food production would decrea...
advancement in automotive product...
astrophysics would suff...

Hell!, who needs them? Why put up with the danger and incovenience they bring to us?

One other thing, why did I buy a B2 anyway?


Pre-emption
May very well be necessary. I think it is time to dust off and update those target packages. We can't ignore the P.R. side of war, however. We know that indigineous enemies can tell the populace "We share your language, tribe and culture, and the Americans don't. You have to accept our brutality and atrocities, because we are here forever. One day, the Americans will leave." This was pointed ou in an Op Ed in the Armed Forces Journal this last week. The author went on to suggest that soldiers be especilly trained and utillized to operate comfortably in foreign environments and thereby seize the "goodwill" initive from the local baddies. He hypothosized that if chemistry was the great advance of WW I, physics in WW II and information networks that of the cold war, then massive utilization of PEOPLE and their innate social skills and intelligence would be the advance of this, the new World War on Islamofascism. The enemy uses images and P.R. as weapons, and makes the most of local alliances, debts and fear. We will be tasked with breaking and exploiting their "social weapons" through creative training, goodwill policies and applying lethal force where a judicious example needs to be made.

I think that the senior officer is somewhat over-optomistic in his assesment of how we will be able to turn around foreign opinion and cultural bias, yet I agree with many of the problems he identified, particularly that any E-4 on a street corner can do something that could change the course of a campaign, or even U.S. foreign policy as a whole. Better training and aclimation to foreign cultures and mores are badly needed. We don't need to hand Al-Jezeera any more material then necessary. As for me, I've already stated my opinion with respect to updating the targeting packages. If this goes as I suspect it might, our troops needn't bother learning Farsi. There won't be enough of Iran left to bother occupying once the Israelis finish.

Walter is correct, as always!
Mr. Williams, you are correct. Unfortunatley our country does not have the stomach for what really needs to be done. Your analysis of history is exactly right.

Oh by the way FOWG, the B-2 bomber is about POWER PROJECTION, something you libs will never understand!

Richard DeWalt,
US Navy Fighter Pilot (Retired)

Appeasement
Appeasement was tried before WW2 and it failed.

Caliph of Tehran
I guess we are stuck with our on destruction. We can't tell the bad guys from the good guys. I wonder what our great-grandchildren will say about us, "Our fore-fathers were really great people. When Islam came to destroy us, they couldn't tell the bad guys from the good guys, so they surrendered rather than risk killing any good guys. Today we live under the benevolent leadership of the Caliph of Tehran. Oh, I'm sorry, I have to run. It's a special day, my 12 year old daughter's cliterectomy is scheduled for this morning. Praise be to Allah"


FOWG
To bow to world of Islam would rob us all of:

any - advances in surgery and medica...
any - space explor...
any - symphonic mus...
any - lady's fash...
any - computer technol...
any - access to consumer good...
any - advancement in automotive product...
any - astrophysics

Dude,
I may be wrong, but I read FOWG differently. I thought all of the elipses (... for those of you in Rio Linda) meant that we really wouldn't lose any of those things. And furthermore, the deal with the B2 was that since we paid for it, we should use it... with maximum effect on the sands of Syria and Persia.

Dude
Please re-read my post. I think you missed the point.

I thought I outlined reasons for eliminating whole bunch of them. Maybe the sarcasm didn't work. If all the people who find comfort in the koran were gone the greater world world would miss nothing of value...nothing.

The B2 reference was a question aking why do we, as a nation feel impotent when we can in a moment use the Ohio class or a B2. An EMP detonated over the nuke facility would be good start. We can move up to a neutron bomb and go beyond if needed.

Whithout the islamos we could return to an open society which is out birthright.

Flatbush seems to be more successful in gettig his point accross.

If I left the impression I am in any way a liberal, I failed.

The people
The people have the will to do what it takes to win the wars we are fighting, but our 'leaders' don't. When you have a group of people that apologize for possibly offending someone, that are always backing up from things in charge of a war you are not going to win. If our leaders had any guts and were not so afraid of bad press, we could have crushed our opposition well before now.

BTW, I have a post at my blog that touches on this issue and a new post about the real war we are fighting. Feel free to check it out and tell me what you think.

FOWG
I apologize. I read your post and failed to see the sarcasm. I should read more carefully. Once again, please accept my apology.

Threats?
President Bush once said something to the effect that any nation training or aiding terrorists was also our enemy. Syria & Iran seem to fit this description. Reagan didn't quite cut off the head of the snake when he tried to take out Kadafe, but it still worked like a charm. I wonder how that idiot in Iran would react to a missile down his stovepipe.

Self defense
It is far past time to inject into the real politic of the Iran's of this world the absolute destruction they are courting. If a nuclear device is detonated in the U.S. the response will have to be to destroy those states supporting the ideology supporting that act.

We need another Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln knew how to win a war. He didn't give a rats behind what anyone said, all he knew is that he needed to win. During the Civil War, Lincoln siezed control of several newspapers, suspended hbeas corpus, issued arrest warrants for Supreme Court Justices that disagreed with him, even exiled a United States Senator.

It is WAY past high time for some of our media outlets to be shut down. We can start with the hanging of "Pinch" Sulzberger and Bill Keller for High Treason by publishing classified information on the front page of the New York Times.

As for congressmen who are rooting for the terrorists, Lincoln himself said it best: "Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs who should be arrested, exiled or hanged."

RE: SELF DEFENSE
Townhall podcast writes...It is far past time to inject into the real politic of the Iran's of this world the absolute destruction they are courting. If a nuclear device is detonated in the U.S. the response will have to be to destroy those states supporting the ideology supporting that act.

Wouldn't it make way more sense to not have to be in the position of having to respond to a nuclear attack on our homeland soil? Time and diplomacy was an option we had in the past, these options no longer exist, and regardless of what the rest of the world would think, without question, the United States has to strike first. Even the possibility of giving Iran a 30 day warning is a offer that should no longer be an option that is on the table. Visit
http://www.headsneedtoroll.org post your thoughts and opinions and help spread the support for the war against terrorism.
Heads Need To Roll

Nothing less than a nuke will awaken US
Collectively, Americans don't take seriously enough any conflict less intense than what caused us to nuke Japan. Nobody wants to experience that intensity again, so current threats are minimized while the idea that diplomacy can keep us safe provides psychological comfort. Until we are hit by something like a suitcase nuke in NYC, we will slumber along as a divided nation, unwilling or unable to elect leaders bold enough to do what it will take to defeat our enemies.

Lets get to it
The enemy is in sight. It doesn't even attempt to hide. Kill or be killed. These people wish to rule over us. Our forefathers refused to be ruled a king from a distance and fought for a republic instead. I refuse to be ruled by a Caliphate, Imam, or some other self proclaimed Islamic cleric. Get this fight started. Before you know it we'll be staring at a nuclear Iran AND North Korea. Then what? Nuclear deterrance doesn't work if the enemy knows you won't actually use the nuclear weapons. Lets create a surprise of our own. The rest of the world will whine and cry in public while they give a big sigh of relief in private.

I have been writing some "unhinged rants" of my own at my blog site.

Our current WAR
We have the tools and don't use them. Our smart weapons can, and do hit one house and leave the neighbors alone. We target the bad guys only, and then let their "press" and ours fill the headlines with our evil deeds and say nothing about theirs. Our press talks constantly about our humilitating of a prisoner who by the way was trying to kill us, but we don't retaliate by overriding al Jezera's signal with any truths about what has been happening.
I'm afraid we as a country don't have any guts any longer much less any leaders willing to do their duty so will let my children try to fight a war they are not willing to stand up to. Disgusting.
Once a Democrat, now still a Republican, but not for long.
Ed

911 DIVIDED BY 1000
The mind of the average islamist is a thousand years old. 911 was a brilliant attack and would have been a great success, a thousand years ago. 911 failed because of capitalism and freedom, which have made America strong. The islamists don't understand American strength because they don't value freedom and they don't understand capitalism (interest is illegal in Muslim countries).

Using nukes against the islamorons would be like putting a child in Rykers. Bush is right- in theory- to advocate innoculization.

Austin Dave
9/11 was worse, in American casualties, that Pearl Harbor.

Beowulfe -- good point
I've made the same point myself. Further, Democrats FDR & Truman fought WW II in the same manner. And in the irony of ironies, Lincoln & FDR are the two Presidents most worshipped by liberals. Today they wouldn't just impeach Bush for the same tactics, they'd (at least) imprison him.

Not quite accurate
NRAlifer wrote:
"FDR would have let Britain fall if Hitler had not have been stupid enough to attack FDR's buddy Stalin aka Uncle Joe."

Recall Lend/Lease? Bases for Destroyers? Even the Washington Naval Limitation Treaty negotiated in the '30s favored the UK. FDR did everything in his power to keep Britain afloat until the US formally entered the conflict. Keep in mind the isolationist Congress he had to avoid angering at the time. FDR saw in Hitler what he failed to see in Stalin and acted accordingly.

To fight a war we first have to
get rid of the seditionists, the subversives and the hate-America Americans. We have to go into war totally. War is life or death, it is to eradicate the enemy, not to make friends with him. It does not matter what the frogs think. We go to total war, level the countryside devoid of housing, shoot ununiformed 'insurgents' on the spot, destroy all cover from which they could return fire and occupy the oil fields. Hey! China! You want some oil? Here, we can turn the spigot as easy as the Iranians. And, how about fifty dollars a barrel? You think they won't approve of our 'War on Terrorism' at $50 a barrel???

The Highway of Death
Over the course of any war, the war aims change depending upon resources and WILL. The way to minimize your own casualties is to win and win as quickly as you can. The main reason we are in Iraq now is we left without toppling Iraq’s regime during Desert Storm. Even Hillary in a particular opportunistic political moment said if her husband had been President at the time, “We would have finished the job.” – LOL.

There were two main reasons for stopping the first Gulf War too soon. First, the UN mandate was only for removing the Iraqis from Kuwait, ONLY. The coalition did not have the mission to march to Baghdad to remove the regime. It should have been a war aim. (So much for John Kerry’s reliance upon the UN.)

The second reason for stopping the war too soon was the pictures of the so-called “Highway of Death” where the Iraqi looters and their Kuwaiti collaborators were caught in the open and slaughtered by air strikes. George Bush and Colin Powel were mortified and commanded the coalition to stop. From the department of wishful thinking came the idea that Saddam was so weakened that the Iraqi’s, particularly the Shiites, would rise up and topple Saddam for us. I see some of this same wishful thinking now with regard to Iran.

Regarding the lies of the doctored photos from Lebanon, I say, “In for a penny, in for a pound.” As long as the Moslems are going to lie about every action taken against them, give them enough reasons so they don’t have to lie.

We have the power, it's the backbone
We have the power to defeat any one but what good does it do if we have reached a point of being too civil. Those who attack others with an intent to kill at will because of a warp religious ideology will stop at nothing because they truly believe they're doing God's will. Being too civil is surely a good way to be conquered and controlled because in our minds we don't believe in protecting ourselves at all. If it means picking up a weapon and defending this country, then it's better to lose the country then pick up a weapon and kill someone who threatens the security of this country.

who goves a rip?
Who gives a rip if the rest of the world hates us? Europe is useless although they think they are so sophisticated...if they get nuked who do you think they will expect to save their sorry butts? Who gave Germany and France mega bucks to rebuild their countries after WWII? They are all
jealous because America works! The Muslims hate everybody who isn't Muslim and the only deterrant to stopping them is...pound them into the ground until they are all dead or lose the will to fight! It's great reading the comments of all you folks with good common sense. We must defeat the dems this fall! Who gives a rip if they hate us too.?

As For Those "Innocent Lives"...
Are they so innocent when they will not topple the leadership that is dragging them down that path, bent on world domination, to no end other than to return to the "glory days" of over a thousand years ago?

Those "innocent lives" have the opportunity to rise up and eliminate the threat of those twisted and evil "leaders". In fact, it would be to their advantage to take care of it themselves. If tit ever comes to tat, meaning if "Ahm-the-dean-a-jihad" nukes some city or fleet and we must respond in kind, WE will take care of the problem and there will be collateral damage. They stand a better chance of survival if they take care of the problem themselves.

Radical Islam is doing to these people what the Roman Church did to everyone back in the dark ages. They are being stifled. But, they are capable of setting themselves free. They toppled the Shah, didn't they? The future they wanted back then is still available to them. 'Till they take it upon themselves to secure their own future and purge the world of the scourge of these radical Islamo-fascist leaders of theirs, I'll have little sympathy for them.

They have a choice. Become tinting pigments in the glass or set themselves free.

Woody

Oops! Almost Forgot!
Excellent article, Mr. Williams! We are looking forward to listening to you on Friday! You are our(Suzann and me) favorite fill-in host on Rush's show!

Woody

Giving In
Any type of agreement or appeasement of terrorists is seen by the terrorists as a victory. If you knock them into next week they have a better understanding of that communication. We cannot embolden them by negotiating with them. If we negotiate and they get one inch they will take a mile. To negotiate is to show weakness.

Bravo!
Excellent work, Mr. Williams, especially for one who has not been my pupil for long. And what a delightful following you now have!

I liked how you skillfully backed away from the nuclear option. You must stay respectable if you are to have a lasting impact, my boy. But of course you led the lemmings right up to the point. And oh, how they lept! Straight past nation-building, onward to mass murder!

But you get them to go even beyond calls for nuclear annihilation. Why, we must also have the press shut down, and "traitors" hanged. Delicious! I can hardly stand it!

If this is any indication of what's to come, our time has been well spent. I'll be watching this space with anticipation.


Lydia & all you nuke-happy bunch
Lydia writes: Thursday, August, 24, 2006 6:45 AM
NO GROUND TROOPS
Now that Bush has whooped up a world war we will certainly have to finish it or God knows WHAT.

I think it is crazy to put ground troops into this area.
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BUSH has whooped up a world war? Really? Where were you on 9/11/01? Do you think BUSH did that? Or any of dozens of other increasingly severe attacks begun more than 30 years ago? Get a grip.

Also, you might want to check out "Just War" theory by such lights as St. Augustine. One notion is "proportionality" which is to say that the response should be proportional to the offense. On personal terms, it is not proportional to kill someone who insults you verbally. In war it is not proportional to nuke a city because some terrorists are hiding among the popluation there. ("Proportionality" does not speak to strategy and tactics; we learned in WWII to use overwhelming force and thus minimize casualties. That is to say, *once the decision to invade is made*, we learned to use 5:1 and more ratios to get the job done more quickly with fewer casualties.) Another concern is that war should be a last resort, not a first response. Thus the so-called "rush to war" that took 10 months is not in and of itself an improper thing to do. It is far better to settle an issue that to fight over it. However, there is also a time to fight. (This is a disagreement with the pacifists who believe that war is the greatest evil and never justified in any circumstance.) Just when that should be is properly a matter of debate and is a serious decision. Another concern is not to cause harm to innocents to the extent possible. This is a core value in our armed forces and has been throughout out history. Instances of violations are held in disdain and shame.

All of this is very frustrating. On the other hand, things sometimes do work out. For example, Egypt and Israel made peace (one of the few undeniable accomplishments of Jimmy Carter, one of our worst presidents ever) that has held.

"Peace through Strength" wins. But you actually have to be willing and able to use the forces at hand. Jimmy Carter should have put a flight of B52s over Tehran and said, "Let my people go."
The world has to know that we mean what we say and we will do what we say. (That is one of the virtues of GW Bush for the most part.)

On the other hand, if we can aid in the unrest already in Iran and have the people take over for themselves, that would be far better than either nukes or boots on the ground. We used to have people who did this kind of thing, but the Democrats began making war on our intelligence services at least as far back as the Church Commission. I don't know how much capabilty we have or what we are doing, and I don't need to know (NY Times, are you listening?) but I hope we are busy. We did manage to help Afganistan fight the Soviets. Of course, Bush could also make a directive lifting the ban on assination.

TR is not my favorite, but he had some experience with some of these problems. President Teddy Roosevelt had a famously tart reaction in 1904 when a bandit chieftain (Ahmed ben Mohammed el Raisuli) took an American (Ion Perdicaris) hostage in Morocco: "Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead." Perdicaris was freed.

"Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft."
-- Theodore Roosevelt


Will the West defend itself?
The writer of this article and anyone who discusses it as being anything other than what it is - sick and terrifying - is disgusting.

How has it come to be that people can propose and discuss and even support the concept of the murder of millions of people, entire countries and cultures, as if it were a casual thing, and perhaps even the right thing to do so? WTF is going on in your heads?

Have you lost all perspective and the ability to regulate yourselves between what is decent and what is hideous and immoral? Is this the place that our culture has taken us to? The culture that many of vaunt as being the great bastion of morality and decency?...

You disgust me.

Will the West defend itself?
Is Walter Williams bored? Is he stuck in a coma-like state that has him in hyperactive REM sleep, dreaming of bizarre outrageous fantasies?

Nuclear weapons and "shock and awe" are the most amoral actions the USA or any nation could contemplate.

The primary reason they are amoral for the USA to use is because NOBODY poses a threat to the USA right now. NOBODY.

Anyone who continues to believe our President when he says that al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden are serious threats to the USA needs to spend a bit of time doing some independent investigation of several things, most notably the business connections between the Bush Family's business interests (Carlyle Group; oil-related business) and the bin Laden Family, and between Halliburton/Kellogg Brown & Root and The Bin Laden Group (an engineering firm that sometimes works with andd sometimes competes with H-KB&R).

It is time to stop accepting as true everything that our President and his Administration have told us. The fact that President Bush admitted just two days ago that he LIED about Iraq and the premises upon which we invaded that country should give every American a reason to be seriously skeptical of whatever we hear from the White House.

This is a time to set aside partisan differences. If America goes toward a Third World War, the children of people of ALL political perspectives will be called upon to die in that War.

Partisan politics are a distraction.

Walter Williams is disconnected from reality.

And "nuking" some other country to "prove we are tough" is the sort of thing that we are supposed to give up at around the 2d or 3d grade level.

Doesn't anyone remember their parents telling them that the local bully is not to be respected or trusted? Why would we think it is okay to play at the role of bully as adults, or as a nation?


Please seek immediate psychological help
Congratulations, you are a TERRORIST. No, you're actually worse, you are a GENOCIDAL MANIAC. You're f***ing crazy. There are close to 90 million people living in Syria and Iran! And you want to kill them all! You're sick. You're twisted. You need serious help. You need to be locked up for your own safety and the safety of others.

And shame on any publication that would give you a forum for your sick, twisted, GENOCIDAL rants. This is EVIL. There is no other word for it. EVIL. Let me say that again: EVIL. I hope TownHall has the honor and integrity to offer its readers an apology for this vile screed.

Lydia
You certainly have me confused. In one post you sound as if you are ready to kill every Muslim on earth:

"Isn't there one thing about them that makes you angry enough to want to stop them? They have promoted these things and worse for the past 1400 years. Do you think ignoring these things will make them go away?"

In your next post you warn us not to fight.

"It will exhaust our economy and drain the life blood of our youth. The enemy WANTS this! You and Bush are helping them."

You blame Bush for causing a 1400 year old problem:

"The Muslims ARE the enemy and by not admitting this Bush has destablized the WHOLE WORLD."

The best offense is a good defense?:

"The best way to fight the attacks from these aggressors who represent NO governments is to stop all middle east immigration from Arab and Muslim peoples, stop all student visas from the middle east and Muslim lands, initiate an Israeli style profiling in our airline industry and get the FBI to infiltrate the Muslim community in America and root out the enemy."

And then the Mexicans are involved somehow:

"Mexicans will replace us loyal Americans who had to become the fodder for his insane prosecution of this war."

I would say something pithy but my head is raw from all the scratching.




You people disgust me.
You people disgust me. You're advocating killing millions of innocent people, for the actions of their dictatorial governments. Governments that they have no control over. One idiot posted here that they can overthrow their governments but refuse to do so. So they have it coming. That's the same argument Bin Laden made about why it was ok to kill American civilians. Gee never thought I'd hear "patroitic americans" make the same argument as our enemies.
We are not at war with Islam, we are at war with terrorists. Their religion has nothing to do with it. There is 1.3 billion muslims on the planet, do you think they are all terrorists? IF you do, go seek some mental help. You need it.

Re: You people disgust me
Conservative slayer:
There is 1.3 billion muslims on the planet, do you think they are all terrorists? IF you do, go seek some mental help. You need it.

No, not ALL 1.3 billion muslims are terrorists. Actually, only tiny little minority of them are terrorists.
However, 95% (maybe more) of all terrorists threatening America today ARE muslims.
And if statistics works to make profit (health insurance, for example), I think it is good enough to be deployed to save lives.
Or is it not?

Mr. Williams, how do you sleep at night?
Do those megabucks the propagandists currently pay help to keep your bed warm and your mind from thinking about the reality of what you write?

Destroy the "terrorists"? The failings of 911 were from our own government. And the failings of stopping Iran and North Korea's nuclear ambitions all happened on Bush's watch, while he was supposedly fighting terrorism. At enormous cost to us all.

Instead he's raided our treasurey, gutted our agencies, and declared war on a country based on lies. He's broken the constitution,is crippling our economy, and will go after anything and anyone that stands in his way.

You say we should go after the terrorists?
What about the ones in the White House?

WILL THE WEST DEFEND ITSELF?
Mr. Williams says: "What I am suggesting is that I know of no instances where appeasement, such as the current Western modus operandi, has borne fruit."

The Oxford English Dictionary defines appeasement as "make calm or quiet, esp. conciliate (a potential aggressor) by making concessions".

The resolution of the Cuban missile crisis, the current peaceful co-existence in Taiwan (vis a vis China), in South Korea (vis a vis North Korea); in India (vis a vis Pakistan); in Northern Ireland (vis a vis Britain) are fruits of appeasement- albeit they may be devoured if the spirit of give and take disappears.

Concessions and conciliation may ultimately be the way forward in Sri Lanka. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa was away to move forward and let bygones aby bygones in the inteersts of national unity and reconciliation and the reconstruction of society.

If one looks, one can find many examples of fruit being borne from concessions and conciliation- even though there are also many wars.

The fruit of war is sour and bitter; it brings forth tears and sorrow. The fruit of agreement, of give and take, of conciliation, of mutual tolerance and respect, is sweet and it brings joy and laughter.

It starts in our hearts.

"Before I condemn another, let me first walk a mile in his mocassins."(Native American saying).

"Lord make me an instrument of thy peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love...."(Saint Francis of Assisi.)

Make fear your friend, Mr. Williams, and you will find friends instead of enemies; brothers and sisters instead of terrorists; and by your kindness you will inspire others to do likewise.

There is none so evil as the hatred in our own hearts, for it turns everyone else into a bitter enemy.

There are mind viruses (memes) that have plagued humanity for centuries. It would seem the ones that drive us to war and hate and destruction are stronger than those that lead us to peace and love and harmony.

Aloha
Salaam
Shalom.
Michael T. Darwyne
michaeldarwyne@hotmail.com

Toss some missiles around ...
This sounds remarkably like something I posted on my (infant) blog a couple of weeks ago (I think you can get there by clicking on my name). We have the nukes but lack the will. I'm not advocating nuking civilian populations if we can avoid it. But, I do think it's time we started emphasizing to the world that we're losing patience and gaining the will to do so if we continue to be provoked.

cowards
reading some of the post fromHT,KM,Lydia and others you can see why the fascist are not afraid to make war with the US and the west. They see a bunch of cowards who's political correctness has removed their spines.
I ask this simple ?, How many troops did we have in Iraq in in the 1980's with all the terrorist atacks then? How many troops were in Iraq in 1993 when the WTC was blown up or in 96'when the US embassys in Africa were blown up? or when the USS Cole was hit? or on 9/11?? the answer is ZERO!! Since weve been in Iraq and Afghanistan there has not been one US asset hit.There has been some close ones but were stopped.
These same cowards will be the first ones to have a bullet put in their heads or their throats slit by these Muslim fascist that they are quick to defend.
Mr. Williams is right on the money again.

Really ... you cons make it too easy.


"Does the United States have the power to eliminate terrorists and the states that support them? In terms of capacity, as opposed to will, the answer is a clear yes. "

Terrorism is a TACTIC! How are we going to eliminate at a TACTIC! The war on "terror" can't be won because to do so would require all people from now until the end of time to agree not to use terrorism. Otherwise, the possibility of a terrorist attack will still exist.

Stop telling yourself we can defeat "Terrorism".


You are divorced from reality....
mustang: "Since weve been in Iraq and Afghanistan there has not been one US asset hit."

Yeah, except for the obvious exception of all those American assets currently being targeted in Iraq. Do you not consider 2,621 US soldiers assets? What about all that equipment? What about the $5 billion a month it's costing us? What about our Iraqi allies, sparce as they may be? What about our oil...er, I mean their oil that we would like to purchase from them at a very good price? What about American contractors working there? Journalists?

Oh, and then there was the May, 2003 bombing of American targets in Riyadh that killed 26 people, including 9 Americans.

The 2005 Amman bombings that targeted three American-owned hotels which killed 60 people, including 4 Americans.

And the Madrid bombing that killed 192 people. Or are you suggesting that allies are not an "asset"?

The London bombings which killed 52 people. England is our most important ally in Iraq, after all.

The synagogue bombings in Turkey. The Bali bombings. The Sharm el-Sheikh attacks in egypt killed one American, an Israeli and 11 Britons.

And let's not forget all the foiled plots (I think there was one recently concerning US flights from England or something like that,) the discovery of which had absolutely nothing to do with killing tens of thousands of people in Iraq, but rather the effective and legal use of law enforcement capabilities.

And I've just confined myself to the time we've been in Iraq!

cant read
sviad, I never said there were no attempts, Yes those troops are assets i was one. It is called a war.I would much rather kill the fascist pigs over there than over here! I know that it upsets people like you who would rather the war be here.Why I dont know unless you can use it for political gains. As far as England and Spain goes they showed weakness and AlQueada exploited it. Europe has some serious problems facing them.

terorrist
I hate using the term "terrorist" you are right it is a tactic. But because of political correctness you cant call the Islamo-fascist what they are. Or call them Moslims. This is a war between Western-Civ. And 10th century Islam. (Yes a religious war!) and you athiest are on the side of Christians and Jews if you like it or not cause you are INFEDELS!!

Alright, mustang ...
How do you see this thing ending? Is there going to be some sort of massive peace treaty that all muslims everywhere are going to agree to?

When we "win", who exactly will do the surrendering? Will a group of muslims line up and swear off what they see as their faith?

The only end-game proponents of a war on terror can promise is more war! It's like a chinese finger trap if you think we're going to kill enough Muslims to convince them we mean business ... for every one we kill, we create 10 more.

Finally, someone who strives to be Christ-like can't also tell us how we have to defeat the Muslims in battle. How would Christ treat a muslim?

And further, Mustang ...
Exactly what weakness did the United Kingdom show?

They're right there side-by-side with us in Iraq, and yet they still were attacked.


We are no safer from a terrorist attack today than we were on Sept. 10, 2001. All it takes is a handful of people with minimul training to score a "victory" for the terrorists' side.


I'm very sorry that you can't read.
Mustang, I know you didn't say that there were no attempts -- you tried to claim that our endless wars have prevented any attacks on "US assets." A claim which I then soundly thumped, pissed on and set on fire. Now, if you have no actual rebuttal, I'll be getting back to my habitual reading. Thanks.

Foreign Policy Leftist Style
in order to appease the appeaser ([anti]American left), I think the leadership in this country should consider taking on a policy of complete absolute and underailable appeasement for a minumum of five years. This would be a trial period to see how the Islamic-Facists react to such a policy, for better or worse. Of course this 5 year test period would not begin until several strategic changes were made. Notably pulling every last soldier out of Iraq, releasing all Muslim prisoners here and abroad, and stopping all aid, financial, intellectual and otherwise, to Israel. Homeland security precautions should also be ceased, suspicious behavior, terrorist or otherwise, cannot be investigated. Then we simply observe how the Islamic-Facists act during this 5 year period of appeasement. Any attack on our homeland, on any scale, cannot be met with any sort of military or economic retalation. Any attack on our assests or allies abroad cannot be recipricated, regardless of scale, including nuclear attack. After year 3, hopefully our once muslim enemies realize that the US will no longer partake in the cycle of violence, they will imitate our actions thus finally ended the cycle of violence once and for all. By year 5 terror will no longer be a threat, and peace will be upon the US and the middle east. If Islamic-facist attacks continue after the 5 year period, we shall extend the period to 10 years.

Questions for You Guys Ara Just Dumb

"Does the United States have the power to eliminate terrorists and the states that support them? In terms of capacity, as opposed to will, the answer is a clear yes. "

Terrorism is a TACTIC! How are we going to eliminate at a TACTIC! The war on "terror" can't be won because to do so would require all people from now until the end of time to agree not to use terrorism.

Stop telling yourself we can defeat "Terrorism".
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1. Can we agree that when we speak of the current "War on Terrorism" what we mean is the "War on Muslim fanatics" or the "War on Islamo-facists?" We are not talking about an abstract category (tactics). We are talking about war with a particular group of people, who are associated with a particular world religion, whose stated purpose is the destruction of Western culture (particularly as it exists in Israel and America).
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Alright, mustang ...
How do you see this thing ending? Is there going to be some sort of massive peace treaty that all muslims everywhere are going to agree to?
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2. How do you see this thing ending? I'm new to Townhall, so perhaps your solutions are well known. Can we expect the home-grown British terrorists to just close up shop and go out of business? Will the hate-filled mosques transform themselves into havens of peace and tranquility? Will 50 million jihadists lay down their bombs and go back to farming or selling tea?
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When we "win", who exactly will do the surrendering? Will a group of muslims line up and swear off what they see as their faith?

The only end-game proponents of a war on terror can promise is more war! It's like a chinese finger trap if you think we're going to kill enough Muslims to convince them we mean business ... for every one we kill, we create 10 more.
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3. Again, what is your proposed response? Are you a Mennonite? If so, you can sit quietly while the invading hordes kill your children, rape your women and burn your property. I respect that sort of faith and moral consistency.
But you should not be surprised if some of your fellow citizens stand and fight.
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We are no safer from a terrorist attack today than we were on Sept. 10, 2001. All it takes is a handful of people with minimul training to score a "victory" for the terrorists' side.
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4. See question #3 above.



Appeasement
Tom, can you name me even one person, just one, on the "[anti]American Left" who has advocated that "Homeland security precautions should also be ceased, suspicious behavior, terrorist or otherwise, cannot be investigated." Or that "Any attack on our homeland, on any scale, cannot be met with any sort of military or economic retalation." and "Any attack on our assests or allies abroad cannot be recipricated, regardless of scale, including nuclear attack."

Just one. One name. One article. Go on. Don't forget to provide a link. You can't, can you? Because your charge is just blatantly, astoundingly absurd. What planet do you live on?

On Will to Defend
I once read a comic poster that said;
"Yea though I walk through the valley of death
I will fear no evil, cause I'm the meanest son of a "B" in the valley". (author unknown). If the world thinks we are dirt and infidels, why not get mean. One thing most nations respect one way or another is power. We can be mean but also civilized. We don't have to force our values on others but we can set an example of freedom that the rest of the nations of the world would want to emulate. Our principle goal for diplomacy should be "empower the people of the world". Remember radio free europe, why not now have a Radio Free World. Drop transistor radios to the enslaved peoples of the world and then by satelite transmission provide them with the truth!

Phil, you are such a schmuck.
They will surely praise our civility and freedom as our bombs rain down upon them like hellfire. Our propoganda will be embraced as gospel, and no one shall point out our lies and brutality. Yea, though we shall kill many, our name shall always be mercy. And though we kill relentlessly, our destiny shall be peace. Thus sayeth the Lord, via Dear Leader. Amen.

Schmuck.

About Lincoln and the civil war
Before you lionize Lincoln and his actions in the Civil War take a minute to realize that all of the things that beowulfe lists are UNCONSTITUTIONAL for the president. The Constitution specifically says that only Congress can declare Martial Law (as Lincoln did, apart from congress). No where does the constitution say that the federal govt can sieze private property (newspapers and their presses) because the govt doesn't like what they print (first and fourth amendments !). It is also a violation of the fourth amendment to arrest someone for having the wrong political views.

If you are going to ignore the constitution then don't claim that you are trying to save America. You are destroying it by your own actions and putting us under a facist dictatorship as much as you the claim the 'Islamo-facists' want to. You are sounding just like the Liberals and communists that you rail against.

Stop and think about what you are promoting and what the results would be ! I am not suggesting we do nothing but what Lincoln did was illegal, immoral and un-american. Let's work within the system we have or we might as well flush the constitution down the toilet for all it will be worth.

walter e williams
first, Prof williams needs to understand the context in which Britain and France did not attack Germany when, on paper, they had the means so to do. Those countries had fought a bitter, immensely costly conflict 1914-18, and people wanted to avoid war, if possible. The USA found itself in the same position in 1939, when the european powers again went to war. It decided to stay on the sidelines until its interests were directly affected by Japan at Pearl Harbour. Cowardice?

Im British, and we are not only your cousins, but the best friends you have. However, im sorry to say im beginning to comprehend why the USA is so hated as a country worldwide. If you cannot even speak of your best friend without belittlement and/or disdain, what hope is there for you with others?

America may be the biggest military power in the world, but a few guys with knives managed to engineer 9/11. No submarines, no MIRVed warheads, just one word- hatred.

The USA is a great nation, but like all great nations before, it is doomed by its own rupugnant sense of its own superiority. We are the greatest this, we are the greatest that, etc - and so say all of you. Until the USA learns that this world is greater than any one nation, i fear for us all.

Williams is a professor and writes like he is on the street corner hustings. Is this the best you can do, Williams? Go home and think hard about what you are saying.


FOWG
You said, "I thought I outlined reasons for eliminating whole bunch of them. Maybe the sarcasm didn't work. If all the people who find comfort in the koran were gone the greater world world would miss nothing of value...nothing."

and

"Whithout the islamos we could return to an open society which is out birthright."


FOWG, do you realize this sounds a lot like you are advocating ethnic-cleansing? That's been tried before, you know. Is that what you really want or is it get those involved with attacking us?

Barnabas
I agree with what you said, Barnabas.

"We are no safer from a terrorist attack today than we were on Sept. 10, 2001."

In fact, I think we are far less safe than we were then.

Woody
You said, "Those "innocent lives" have the opportunity to rise up and eliminate the threat of those twisted and evil "leaders"

Do you think that they might feel the same way about us and what we are allowing to be done now?
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