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Monday, June 23, 2008
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
White Looters in Iowa
by Mike Adams
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During the week after Father’s Day, I received a number of interesting emails from readers asking me to write about the dearth of looting after the recent floods in Iowa. Specifically, they wanted me to write about the reason there was so much more looting in New Orleans after Katrina hit the “Chocolate City” in 2005. Of course, the problem involves so much more than race – a factor most people are thinking about, even if they won’t admit it.

That people would oversimplify many post-Katrina problems as “race problems” is unfortunate but somewhat understandable. I recall watching a Fox News reporter standing on a bridge in a flooded area of New Orleans just after Katrina. When the first black individual came wading out of the projects the reporter was simply astounded. Like me, the reporter had no idea that folks had been sitting in the projects waiting for someone to come and escort them out of harm’s way.

It was also sad to see that it was one black face after another emerging from the flooded waters. And it was sadder still that the words “we need” were the first spoken into the camera by these citizens – all utterly unprepared to provide for themselves and their families.

But of course the ugliest scenes were yet to come as looters would turn downtown New Orleans into a place more like downtown Baghdad. Some of the looters who would participate in the destruction of their own neighborhoods would later suggest that they were entitled to loot because of years and years of “oppression.”

Of course, talk of historical oppression goes a long way towards explaining why blacks would be more inclined to loot than whites. But it doesn’t go far towards explaining the fact that looters are predominantly male rather than female. At some point, variables other than race have to be written into the equation.

There is another observation that is just as obvious as the fact that black males are more likely than black females to take advantage of the opportunity to loot as a means of eradicating historical oppression. I am referring, of course, to the fact that black females are more likely than black males to take advantage of affirmative action as a means of eradicating historical oppression. In fact, overall differences between blacks and whites - in important areas including income and education – are largely due to the failures of black males relative to everyone else in society, including black females.

Sociologists have, at least to date, failed to grasp what lies behind this problem. This is largely because of their foolish contention that there are no inherent differences between men and women. They continue to believe, or pretend to believe, that gender differences are merely “socially constructed.” I believe otherwise.

A man has as an inherent component of his being a need to be useful in some form of occupation. He also needs to provide for his children if he has any. The man who is able-bodied and does not work does not need to be taught to feel worthless. He feels that way without instruction. That is why a man is less likely to be driven to unemployment by drink than to drink by unemployment. That feeling of worthlessness similarly accompanies the man who does not care for his children. And it need not be taught to him by others. He imagines what people should be saying to him long before the first aspersions are cast.

For some forty years now the government has been providing incentives for (predominantly minority) men not to work and for women not to keep them around to care for their children. This idea that they are not needed as workers or as fathers cuts against their nature as men. It is a very dangerous pair of ideas with a very dangerous pair of consequences – only one of which has been addressed in this short essay.

The violence that is committed in an act of looting is not born of some idea that a man is entitled to the things kept from him by historical oppression. The violence against another man’s place of work is born of his own sense of worthlessness for having not fulfilled his responsibilities as an able-bodied man. This non-sense about oppression is merely an afterthought – a form of rationalization in the Freudian sense. If used often enough it becomes more than an individual malady. It becomes a cultural malady as well.

But the personal violence exhibited by minority men against other minority men is not so easily explained by economic oppression. Enlightened minds can easily grasp the effect of illegitimacy - and I speak here of illegitimate fathers because there are no illegitimate children – on minorities raised in single parent homes. But I believe the separation of fathers from their children explains, not just the transmission, but the genesis of violence in minority communities.

Sociologists write volumes on the scores of black men executed annually in the criminal justice system. But they are silent regarding the thousands of minorities killed at the hands of other minorities annually. Such a thing would not be possible unless black males had come to hold other black males in such low regard. And that is something that, in turn, would not be possible unless they also held themselves in very low regard.

So I am not at all impressed that, on Father’s Day, Barack Obama chose to chastise black men for failing to take care of their children. It takes little courage to state the obvious fact that their absence will make things tougher on the current generation of children raised in single parent homes.

I would be far more impressed were there any indication that Barack Obama understood the impact the War on Poverty has had on the current generation of fathers who have been displaced by government programs. Of course, if he did understand that he might be tempted to admit that he, too, is contributing to a very complex problem. And there is every indication that, if elected president, he will continue to contribute to the problem and force the rest of us to contribute our “fair share” too.

Jeremiah Wright recently found himself embroiled in controversy for suggesting that the government invented the AIDS virus to kill black people. It would have been closer to the truth to say that was the reason they have injected the virus of government aid into minority communities.

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Ditto To Goforth (continued)
We learned and had a work ethic. Nobody has any respect or gratitude for things they do not work for. That is what happened to the south I grew up in after Federal Intervention and Welfare was introduced. It destroyed the families that it began to pander to and it destroyed the work ethic. Now, you have poor whites and blacks who are resolved to living off welfare, and they have lost their self respect, and they have no gratitude for anything, and only have a sense of entitlement, and anytime that they are held accountable for actions they make, they yell "racism". The poor whites who have gone this route and become lazy and ungrateful, do not have anybody to blame and cannot even holler "foul" when they are caught for crimes they commit. They just go to jails or whatever and take their punishment. There are no White Race Hustlers out there crying, "Your are prejudiced against these poor white folks." No, even the poor whites realize that they are responsible for their own mistakes. This is not a racist statement and this writer will not and does not waste one minute defending that charge here or anywhere else, because I, for one am not one bit concerned for political correctness and am not cowered down and afraid to say what I mean and I mean what I say. So, all you so-called Katrina Vicitims, get a life, get a job, and quit living off the government who is using my tax dollars to support you. Get out of the cities where you migrated and drove up the crime rates and got on the dole in some other community. Go back to Chocolateville, which is what your Chocolate Mayor calls it. I think he was saying that New Orleans is a black city and belongs to you. He did not mention wanting any whites there. So, fine, go home and take care of yourselves. Good Bye and Good Riddance.

M. Jerome Ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Ditto Goforth
Right On Goforth in Georgia. I do not know about you or the rest out there, but this is one American Patriot, who grew up poor and would have been considered living in poverty. Still, my folks, both of them, worked in a cotton mill in Alabama and managed to feed, house, and clothe 6 children. We had a 4 room house that was built by my dad, uncles, and family members. It was not fancy and we did not have an indoor bathroom until this writer was 11 years old, and am now 60. I experienced love, learned respect for everybody, learned to be grateful, learned to work. In a small country school I learned how to read, write, do arithmetic, responsibility, a work ethic, respect, self discipline, loyalty to my country, pride, loyalty to family and love for God. By the time I finished my first 8 years in this little country school, I was prepared with all the requisite skills to perform in other academic areas in a college prep class in High School. After high school, I attended Auburn University, where I worked 40 to 60 hours per week at minimum wage jobs and payed my way through college. Nobody gave me anything nor my family, and we did not expect it. We learned and had a work ethic. Nobody has any respect or gratitude for things they do not work for. That is what happened to the south I grew up in after Federal Intervention and Welfare was introduced. It destroyed the families that it began to pander to and it destroyed the work ethic. Now, you have poor whites and blacks who are resolved to living off welfare, and they have lost their self respect, and they have no gratitude for anything, and only have a sense of entitlement, and anytime that they are held accountable for actions they make, they yell "racism". The poor whites who have gone this route and become lazy and ungrateful, do not have anybody to blame and cannot even holler "foul" when they are caught for crimes they commit. Jerome Ennis in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

FEMA Cards
Living in Houston post Katrina, we witnessed the refugees get debit cards from FEMA. It was common knowledge the 'Katricians' took the cards and bought themselves expensive accesories, flat screen t v's - all those necessary things to overcome the disaster. We are still maintaining 30,000 residents, most of whom are on public assitance.
C. F.
Houston

The Forest for the Trees
You don't need a degree to buy a CB. Do you really doubt that there are folks that just flat out hate black people?
They exist, don't even try to deny it. They make their opinions known with assinations.
James Earle Ray, Byron De'leBeckwith, and John Wilkes Booth are not figments of anyone's imagination.
Articles like these are sometimes confused with hatred by some who have brushed with these foul white people.
Articles like these are generally not taken as they what are meant to be, a spiritual swift kick in the heiny.
This type of article is typically used to further the racial hatred by its very nature.
Racism does exist on both sides.
For example, one does not need Cable TV to see the Afrocentric hatred of whites. Sorry to spoil the hate but there were a lot of whites singing Happy Birthday to Nelson Mandela the other day.
What the Nation is about to vote for is what I'd like to call
"Unified Multiculturalism".
I really think that deep down, either you love America or Love to hate America.
If history was a movie the USA would be the most benevolent and compassionate hero to date.
To its credit it's also one heck of a villain.

Well Put
"It would have been closer to the truth to say that was the reason they have injected the virus of government aid into minority communities."

Minorities need to wake up, Welfare is never a means to a positive end! Welfare breeds lazy uninspired individuals and how many welfare folks can claim they are better off today than they were 10yrs ago.......It really is simple, take advantage of the education you are given, choose good character over bad, be willing to do a honest days job, and do not shy away from your responsibilities!

Where?
I am still waiting for Geraldo Riviera to get in front of TV cameras and start crying, sobbing, weeping, and begging the US government,i.e. taxpayers, to come in and help all these poor white folks out.
American blacks are the richest and best educated group of blacks anywhere in the world. There are more whites living in poverty in this country than blacks, more blacks are in the middle income bracket than whites, a very large percentage of blacks in this country are well heeled, are in the entertainment industry, in professional occupations, in executive positions, heads of large corporations, in government jobs and positions, have college degrees from prestigious universities, and are involved in the everyday running of this country. So what's their problem? The answer is ,themselves. Their Nagins,Marion Berrys,Al Sharptons,Jesse Jacksons,Jeffersons,Alcee Hastenings,and other criminals and incompetants. You see these black women with these huge broods of unruly kids in stores with not a black man in sight. Where is the black man? Oh, over there with the white woman. Blacks need to take responsibility for themselves and stop blaming the whites for their problems.

I was there
In the NO area after Katrina. I didn't see looting firsthand, but there were definitely plenty of people who were happy to wait around indefinitely in government-paid hotels, even though there were tons of jobs around. My company was trying very hard to find some local workers, but the vast majority either failed the drug screening or wouldn't show up on time for work.

The key element seems to be a preference for handouts over work. There are people like that of all races, including a small-town white family living next to my grandparents, but there does seem to be a disproportionate amount of that among blacks. This is a problem, except for the Democrats, because it helps them to have a permanent underclass that always votes Dem.

Why this "gimme" mentality has become chronic in some areas, such as NO, is a serious question, and some people addressing it here sound pretty racist. It seems to me that the impersonal government handouts of the war on poverty met the grievance mentality common among blacks, and the combination resulted in a mentality of "I shouldn't have to work, I should be paid because everyone owes me."

I'm not saying blacks don't have cause for their grevience, but the mentality that results is extremely damaging - especially to the people who hold it.

To Disaster Babe and Gestell
What strikes me as truly ironic is these poor oppressed souls account for 52% of murders in the U.S.between 1976 and 2005,while 13% of the population.1 out of 33 black men are incarcerated in the U.S.thats 37% of the prison population.I'm compleatly disgusted of hearing how unfortunate,oppressed,and mistreated,blacks in America are.Victims? are you kidding me?take a look at life in modern day Africa.whose the real victim? Please, get over the "poor me" I'm a mistreated "Victim" Lie.

Disaster Babe and Gestell (cont.)
Criminals who happen to be Black or some other color or ethnicity, are not being charged with their crimes due to race, color or ethnicity, but for THE CRIMES THEY COMMIT. The Blacks that many Americans are sick of, including some blacks who are not part of the "Victimization" mentality, are the one's who excuse all their irresponsible behaviors by "blaming the evil white people", and who truly do not want Equal Rights, They believe that they are Entitled To Special Rights and Privileges. Affirmative Action, Quotas, and all the rest of that garbage has done much more harm to blacks than good. It has deprived deserving and intelligent blacks from being able to truly compete on an even playing field. Too many people wound up in Universities and in Important positions of power who did not have the requisite intelligence, training, or other abilities, and qualifications, and this deprived people who did possess these qualities. Some were white, some were black. The nations, though, is the Big Loser. We have incompetent people running things that do not have a clue. Now, we have a Quota Harvard Graduate in Hussein Obama, posing as The Great Communicator. Just because he can read a teleprompter and say whatever is on the screen, and has a Harvard Law Degree, which he did not qualify to even attend the school, except for Quotas. No, we do not need a guy of Mediocre intelligence, and a brain full of Marxist Ideology becoming president. This is not the office of Birmingham, Alabama or someother mismanaged urban area such as this. This is for the Office of President. We cannot give this guy a free ride just because We want to Be Politically Correct, or Fear of being called a Racist just because we do not like him or his policies which include some More Social Welfare Spending, and other Socialist Ideas that have bankrupted us already.

To Disaster Babe and Gestell
Why is it that you liberals cannot get it. You are your own worst enemies, and when you make excuses of racism, etc. everytime something of substance comes up concerning people of color. Take the O.J. Simpson trial. The Black Race Hustlers made that a Racial Thing. O.J. was not being tried because he was Black. He was on trial for a brutal murder of two people who happened to be white. What makes some whites angry about this sort of thing, is how they had a known murderer who got by with murder, and most blacks who also knew he was a murderer, but did not care, and were celebrating that this Murderer walked. Most Americans are sick and tired of blacks and others who Play The Race Card every time that they are being held accountable for their actions. Criminals who happen to be Black or some other color or ethnicity, are not being charged with their crimes due to race, color or ethnicity, but for THE CRIMES THEY COMMIT. The Blacks that many Americans are sick of, including some blacks who are not part of the "Victimization" mentality, are the one's who excuse all their irresponsible behaviors by "blaming the evil white people", and who truly do not want Equal Rights, They believe that they are Entitled To Special Rights and Privileges. Affirmative Action, Quotas, and all the rest of that garbage has done much more harm to blacks than good. It has deprived deserving and intelligent blacks from being able to truly compete on an even playing field. Too many people wound up in Universities and in Important positions of power who did not have the requisite intelligence, training, or other abilities, and qualifications, and this deprived people who did possess these qualities. Some were white, some were black. The nations, though, is the Big Loser. We have incompetent people running things that do not have a clue.

disasterwench said:
"This thread has been a gold-mine - it will keep my "Notes from the Religious conservative rightwing (This is how they really think) full of good material for the next six months."

Wow!!! Only a few of us represent an entire group, and we've been labeled "religious", "conservative" and "rightwing" on top of it!!! You flatter me, disasterwench, but you could just have said "sober adults".

And you stereotype, something you liberal crawlers go ballistic about when a conservative makes a group observation. You need re-education on a liberal gulag for that. But I digress.

Read the essay below written in Time magazine in the fifties. Some things never change including excuses for chronic black failure and crime. It will be a surprise to someone like you, but of course, you'll learn nothing. And, by the way, pass it along to your black and otherwise liberal friends.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810262-1,0 0.html

Blacks will move into an area where other races are established and the latter will move away. It's a fact, gurlfren, and it's because of black pathologies that destroy entire communities. Reality, disasterwench, try it.

ps: Did you give yourself that handle to indicate that you're always demanding the government to give you something?

Great article
I'm looking forward to Mike's intuitions on non black males,

They may all have jobs; but they are, more often than not, likely to be portrayed by the dominant culture as; worthless, abusive, proto-rapists.

Look at American Fiction, for every Raymond there is three Peter Griffins and Homer Sympsons.

Current American society either neuters or, feminizes you.

Plenty of guys embracing this stereotype, also.

The Iowadome
Make it happen Iowa. Until then, see you at the next Superbowl........

Will and Mickey
Will- You imply there was no rioting or looting before welfare. Shall we open the history book. Perhaps Ray Nagin could play Marie Antoinette?
Mickey Mouse- I only read up to "Ever been on a farm?" in your post and responded to that alone(yes, I did a lot of farmwork).

Once again I will reiterate that white folks can be and are just as bad as any race.
The cultural attitude you describe is not confined to any one race.



AF
I hope your right about OSU not getting another title.
Like I said, I hate cleaning up the mess.
Of coarse, before Tressel even getting a win was cause for a riot.

Welfare City
For over forty years New Orleans has been the biggest welfare city,because of the liberals running their city government.These people were helpless and demanding.That's the results of welfare nets.

Dover Pro
"blacks, as a group are always found wanting."

Unlike bigoted conservative fundamentalist pious-freaks who love to quote the bible but never seem to keep the parts they don't like.

As many people who post on TH already know, I send out a daily e-mail to a host of friends and acquaintances with a selected TH post that I present as totally refective of the entire conservative, religious mind-set. I copy them because most people don't actually believe most Americans really think the way you do.

This thread has been a gold-mine - it will keep my "Notes from the Religious conservative rightwing (This is how they really think) full of good material for the next six months.


Oh, I forgot, Greyhawk
since you think my life is so unhappy maybe you can remember me tonight when you are praying to your benevolent God to destroy every person in America that has more melanin in their skin cells than you approve of.

After all, every good Christian-conservative-yahoo knows that melanin makes you irresponsible, stupid and evil.


Greyhawk
However do you manage carrying that giant brain of yours around all day without smapping your neck?

You must be the TH resident intellectual, about what I would expect.

White Riots
So what government programs caused these white riots?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots#1990s_-_2000

1993 - Stanley Cup Riot, Montreal, Québec, Canada, June 9, 1993.
1994 - Stanley Cup Riot, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, June 13, 1994.
Washington State University student riot, May 1998, (Pullman, Washington, USA)
1999 - Michigan State University student riot, April 1999, (East Lansing, Michigan, USA)
1999 - Woodstock 1999 concert rioting, July 1999, near Rome, New York
1999 - WTO Ministerial Conference of 1999, November, 1999 (Seattle, Washington, USA)
2001 - 2001 Cincinnati Riots, April 2001, (Cincinnati, Ohio, USA)
2002 - Ohio State University post University of Michigan football game riot, November 2002, (Columbus, OH, USA)
2003 - University of Minnesota campus riots after the Gophers mens hockey team won their back to back national championships
2005 - Street clashes in central Athens, [21] September 2007, (Athens, Greece),
2006 - Reclaim The Streets Riot Sep 24, Copenhagen, Denmark
2006 - 2006 Brussels riots, (Brussels, Belgium)
2006 - Copenhagen December Riot (Nørrebro, Copenhagen, Denmark)
2007 - Anti-immigrant riots, [30], (Madrid, Spain)
2008 - Fishermen riots in Brussels[14]
2006 - Download Festival Riots Donnington, UK

A REPLY TO DISASTERBABE IN WA
Hey Disasterbabe in Washington. This writer can have a little empathy for your Depression, given you come from the Suicide Capitol of America. Get out of there and go get some sunshine. It is a medical fact that Fresh Air and Sunshine and a Little Exercise will Relieve many Depression Symptoms such as Apathy, and Anger and Anxiety.

Disasterbabe. How many Body Piercings and tattoes do you have? These are signs of Self Hatred and show that You Love Pain. You Hurt Yourselves just to see if you are alive. Brain Dead is one of the side effects, as well.

So, Disaster Babe, how about not reading these thread, as obviously, you are not capable of understanding. Also, your state, Washington, has been a Socialist State for quite some time, so obviously, you have the Collective Mentality of Communism, firmly planted in your brain. Of course, it is the Public Education System that is Causing Most of the Emotional and Psychological problems in this country to begin with, and it is worse even, in Socialist States such as Washington, Oregon, Wisconsin, Massachusettes, Marlyland, and of course in Washington, D.C. and Disaster Babe, Washingon D.C. is not part of the State of Washington. Probably figured you would not realize this since you are a product of the Public Education System. So, take another XANAX, Smoke a DOOBIe, and Suffer. Know you love suffering. That is the lifestyle for many and Misery Loves Company. But, I prefer Reality, and want to keep my sense keen so that when the refugees from NO who relocated to my part of the country come around looking for something to steal, I can Act Accordingly to the threat.

Jerome Ennis, MAed and Master's Level Addictions Therapist in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

THANKS TO AF MAJOR IN OHIO FROM GREYHAWK
Hey guy. Thanks, and it does offer a little break in the commentary to lighten up. Still, you were able to make your point without much sarcasm or fanfare. You just made an Obvious Obversation about differences in Cultures. LSU at Baton Rouge VS Louisiana, NEW ORLEANS. Case made and Closed. As for Roll Tide. I do that as loyalty to my state and I also live in Tuscalosa, Alabama and my daughter is a graduate from that fine institution. My Alama Mater is Auburn University, a cross-state rival, so naturally, I am First and Foremost a WAR EAGLE Fan, but support The Tide, except when they Play Auburn. So, Go Tigers of LSU and also Go Tigers of Auburn University. Have a great day and a Happy 4th of July.

M. Jerome Ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama
jeromeennis@aol.com

Late to the party
Since no one will probably read this, I will keep it light.

JYD says, "If you want to talk about race and hooliganism, come to the Campus of Ohio State after they win another national title."

Not to worry, as long as the SEC is around, that will never happen! GO GATORS!

And a tip of the hat to Greyhawk: roll tide (lower case on purpose).

BTW no rioting or looting after Louisiana State won the championship either. Same state as NOLA, different mindset. Go figure.

Yeah right , Mickey Mouse
You think you can out work me on a farm?
Tell ya what buddyboy. It's corn detassling season(for hybrid seed corn) in Missouri Valley, Iowa right now. It's almost Blueberry season in Cherryfield, Maine(lot's of Lobsters too).
You wanna try to keep up with me in a field? You'd obviously rather build a wall and whine about black people and illegal aliens.



junkdoggie
Ya know, some people are so stupid that it would behoove them to keep their mouths shut--the bigoted ones especially.

Ever been to a Farm, Junkie? Know how much a Tractor costs? Generators? Tools? What, Iowans don't have TVs or Computers or Stereos or Furniture?

I asked you before, moron, what is there to loot in Inner Chocolate City, scratched off lottery tickets? Used food stamps? Empty Beer Cans?

You DAMN RIGHT it's about ATTITUDE, Junkie and WHERE do you think ATTITUDE comes from, genius?
Your RAISING? YOur SOCIAL MILIEU? YOur CULTURE!!!? Your ETHNIC VALUES!!!?

What you had here was a CULTLURE difference in ATTITUDE that led to two POLAR OPPOSITE responses.

If you think that had NOTHING to do with Ethnicity as the Grandparent of Culture then you go ahead and stay in denial, bigot.

the big mick



I see the resident hysteric...
...,diasterchick, laments the truth so written by sober adults, those who are also destroying her liberal fantasies. You sure do get sanctimonious, gurlfren.

The comparisons between Cedar Rapids and the chocolate city, New Orleans, demonstrate two distinct cultural and racial approaches to a natural disaster.

Blacks ignored the warnings of the impending hurricane, their beloved mayor, the same one they re-elected after the disaster, fumbled like a kid who is just reaching puberty. And then they expressed righteous indignation that no one quickly responded to the consequences of their lack of planning.

Blacks watched with hands out as outsiders filled sandbags and delivered emergency supplies, never offering to contribute. And I won't even go into the black savagery that manifested with all the looting, assaults, murder and destruction.

With the whites in Cedar Rapids: none of the above.

Circumstances reveal the individual, as the saying goes. And it reveals groups as well. In every emergency, blacks, as a group are always found wanting.

Instead of modeling successful and peaceful behaviors of other cultures, they mock them and then boast of "surviving" their own.

There's nothing racist about what I've written. These are facts, and unless blacks, as a group, become civilized and stop their chronic whining and savagery, they'll always be burying their young due to drivebys and overdoses.

Start a church, diasterchick, and "get paid". Your black bruthas and sistas will throw money at you with your profound dishonesty and willful ignorance.

Joe

The Title of the Article is about white looters.
I thought I'd remind folks that white people loot and riot too. It's usually after a major sporting event, especially in Europe. That's an even stupider reason to loot and riot.
Your points about New Orleans fall flat when based on the subject matter of this article. But since you called it a social issue I can tend to agree with that.
It could have been titled "Poor Looters in Iowa".
I still maintain that there is nothing lootable in Iowa and there is no one there that would loot it anyways and it has nothing to do with race,
Just Attitude.

Their problem is collectivism
The notion of collectivism that their ancestors brought with them from Africa never got stamped out in black families and communities in America. Any culture rooted in collectivism will fail. The collectivism of Democratic administrations, most particularly that of LBJ, just reinforced these notions in their minds. The repulsive Kwanzaa tenets are a perfect encapsulation of the implicit worldview of black communities.

Most of the denizens of these communities simply reject individualism as alien at best, evil at worst - you exist for the sake of the community; you are nothing outside of it. When individual blacks show ambition or talent, they are stigmatized and harassed by some in their communities, and the rest tolerate it as the price of maintaining community order. Since violence runs rampant in quite a number of these communities, you can imagine the incentive level for achievement that exists. The virtuous individuals succeed by getting the hell away from this environment.

about this thread
Just read through these posts, after which I gave a special prayer that I am neither a conservative nor a Christian, since I have just seen a close-up picture of what that means. Blowing my own brains out would be preferable to bing stuck with the ignorant, racist, sanctimonious, hate-ridden belief system that most people here are saddled with every day of their pathetic lives.

It is almost enough to make me believe in an existential hell, and threads like this are the voices of the condemned who are eternally imprisoned inside of their own sad brains, feasting on bile.

to the loving francis
Sorry for the late reply to your last post (June 24, 9:45 pm), but Townhall wouldn't allow my first response to you a couple days ago. Too "over the top" for this consevative website (and not a curse word in sight). All I did was go a little ghetto in my response post so you could comprehend better.

Your list of "speekers" (sic) is predominantly of the black-toxic-tribal variety, those who have made a ton out of race-pimping. You also mentioned in your list the money-preacher, that second generation Reverend Ike: Creflo Dollar. What are you smokin' gurlfren?

To answer another of your questions, a real Christian minister, Jesse Lee Peterson, was muscled by some of Jesse Jackson's slaves a couple of years ago in Chicago. Seems Jesse J. didn't like a real reverend calling him on his con(s)so he sicked some young bruthas on him. Got to keep brutha Jesse Lee in his place, doanchaknow.

Like any typical liberal, you're incapable of honesty and you've been beautifully programmed by your black overseers. Regarding your closing to your post; do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Naughty gurl!

The next time you (and Evie) want to argue that white and black behavior is the same, walk through a black ghetto at night. I kind of hope you survive.

When you're accosted, simply raise a clenched fist real high and begin to lecture your assailants on how you are all on family against the racist whites. They'll stop and listen to you, I'm sure!

Like most blacks, you're your own worst enemy.



Bob Munck
As a father of a son that lost his house due to the flood,you are full of B.S. He left his house to go to work before that day was out he was not allowed back.As I e-mailed Mike the first thief was a white woman that stole liquor.Point of fact there were no blacks helping the sand baggers although their houses were in jeapordy.

LBJ/Soros
Jimmy Carter is generally considered the worst President in US history, but the honor should go to LBJ. Among other failures, LBJ instigated the biggest Socialist experiment in American history, the War on Poverty. The War on Poverty cost $6 trillion according to George Will, and I spent two hours on the internet verifying that rough figure.

The sole practical/impractical effect of this massive expenditure was the essential destruction of Black family life in the United States. Before the War on Poverty, over 80% of Black children lived in a family with two parents. Now less than one-third of Black children live in a family with two parents, and this has resulted in massive social disruption: alienation, drugs, crime, looting, etc.

I am intrigued by the Marxist aspects of the War on Poverty. Marx advocated the elimination of bourgeoise values, including family life, and this is the result. Now we have a major push for Marxist values by Soros/Obama. Where will that take us?

I am not sure how we restore the lost lives and treasure that resulted from LBJ's experiment, but you can BYA we do not need to enshrine Soros' Marxist values in an Obama presidency.

Reply to Lolo #127
I had to laugh when I read your post about the folks in New Orleans not knowing right from wrong. Well, the right/wrong test is the oldest test for insanity in the English common law. So, are you saying that people who live in New Orleans are insane? People know right from wrong. They just choose to ignore the right and take the easiet path, e.g. stealing (looting, not foraging), killing, raping, etc.

Who's at fault?
Over the years I employed both black and white. Interesting that of those that earned the same salary, whites went to a doctor when sick, blacks went to the emergency room. Married whites lived together, black fathers lived away from the mother of their child. Several of the blacks, later were jailed for murder. None of the whites broke the law. Point: Different cultures, different life styles, different ambitions. One young black man told me once that I would not know him if I ever met him after working hours, however of many of the blacks I employed over the years several stood out as perfect citizens, fathers, and pillars of society. I guess much of the difference is in the upbringing and many felt they were intitled to free (stolen) stuff because they were taught that way when they were younger. When will the "Give Me" attitude end?

Junkyard Dog
I like your references to others that loot and glorify gangsters. The Boston Tea Party? Really? Are we going to compare what happens today to what people did almost 250 years ago? I happen to be stationed at Camp Pendleton, so I was in southern California last fall when the wild fires hit. The result was very similar to Katrina: all the people who lost their homes, all the destruction, all the newly homeless being housed in an NFL football stadium, etc. What was the main difference in SoCal? They were hanging out playing hackey sack and getting massages in California. In New Orleans they get housed in the Superdome and they rape and kill each other. In SoCal they get housed at Qualcomm Stadium, and everybody has a good time. We're not talking about what happened 200+ years ago, we are comparing two different social cultures that both exist today. And that is a sad truth.

Cars Everywhere
The first thing I noticed after Katrina was all the 100's of cars piled up everywhere. I kept asking myself WHY wouldn't people leave...that was the time to steal a car if you didn't have one. There were plenty of them.

I don't think they left because they were relying on the govt to take care of them if anything did happen...and maybe there would be a chance to latch onto a wide-screen in the chaos.

Mayor Nagin should get ALL the blame.

The Funeral of Bonnie Parker.
Since some folks think that glorifying gansters is a racial thing, I thought they'd like to know that 20,000 people showed up for Bonnie's(of Bonnie and Clyde)Funeral. What race do you think they were?
How many showed up for Al Capone? (5000+)
What color were the looters at The Boston Tea Party?
Folks that point out a connection between race and looting are not only ignorant of history, they tend to be racist.
The culture of looting/gansterism you describe is any culture that lashes out against percieved opression.
The opression that led to this modern condition was born of the deepest of cultural wounds.
There are people that are completely free to hate black people in this country. They are free to hate gays and feminists too. That is their Constitutional right.
Fortunately they are being bred out.
There are also some folks that are entirely free to hate white people in this country. They are free to hate Jews and Koreans too. This is their Constitutional right.
Hopefully they are being bred out too.
If you want to talk about race and hooliganism, come to the Campus of Ohio State after they win another national title.
It's a bunch of mostly white college kids trashing "the hood" that surrounds the main campus.
They even loot too!
It's a hoot to clean up afterwards.

A Simpler Analogy . . .
Simple truth exposes fantastical myth and imagery. Take a moment for yourselves--all of you who hold "Gevernment" and "Racism" as the culprit--to Google "Ethiopia," "Darfur," or pick any Sub-Sahara African nation and scan Google images to see the physical condition of poor people in those nations. Never mind just yet why or how they got this way; that's another discussion.

Next Google the same for "Hurricane Katrina victims" and make note of those images. The "given" is that most of either set of pictures--Katrina or Africa--contain "Black" people. The African set will more than likely reveal emaciated individuals without shoes, possibly flies around them. The Katrina set will reveal quite a few more blubber butts, individuals covered in bling (or carrying an LCD TV), the latest nail decorations on hands, and perhaps a few military people trying to help out but not shooting people indiscrimanently even though they are committing felonies.

Pictures are worth a thousand words . . . if you read between the lines and are willing to admit that poverty is a state of mind . . . except if you live in Africa or other real third world countries . . .

Give me a break....
It's very simple. No complicated analysis is necessary.

It's about work ethic, pure and simple. Lazy people who want others to take care of them versus people who deal with misfortune stoically, roll up their sleeves, and get to work restoring order from disorder.

Your Most Humble, etc.,

George Washington

wwsword foraging vs looting
I completely disagree with your assertions in Reply #133.

The idea that 'foraging' should be applied instead of looting presumes that the inhabitants had no way of knowing a disaster was coming.

Louisiana has many programs for hurricane preparedness. Every hurricane season is met with newspaper articles/media stories regarding how to be prepared.

In my house, the beginning of hurricane season was the beginning of stockpiling...some water here, batteries and flashlights there, canned goods, etc. Water does not even have to be purchased, fill the bathtub before the hurricane arrives. Diluted bleach can be used to disinfect dirty water as well.

For those who are poor, this same type of stockpiling can be done. Perhaps not all at once, but certainly throughout the year. Food banks can provide canned goods. They could use their 'Louisiana Purchase' card to obtain supplies as well. The cost of preparation is miniscule. The bottom line is that the these residents chose not to spend their money to be self-sufficient.

Again, tens of thousands of uninsured cars were left for the taxpayer to remove from the streets of New Orleans. Whom did these cars belong to? The residents had cars and there were shelters available for housing. There is no excuse for their laziness, and any sociological explantion to validate this mentality is pure negligence on the part of the observer.

Ooops, typo!
That's Jew haters, not Hew haters. Missed a key.

That's really funny, Gestell:
a Jew hating conservative. Most conservatives I know, both secular and religious, support Israel. It's the whacked out libs like Jimmuh Cahtah that are the Hew haters. It's the ignorant among us (read liberals) that don't seem to be able to tell the players without a scorecard. Or a brain, which you apparently lack as well.

reply to disasterbabe
YOu can take it to the bank that a TH column on blacks will bring conservative racists out from under their rocks and a column on the Middle East will dredge up the Jew-hating conservatives. Count on it.

disasterbabe: It's white thing...
disasterbabe
Location: WA

Reply # 67
Date: Jun 23, 2008 - 10:18 PM EST Shefali
"But so what? At some point you take responsibility for your own life. America is a land of opportunity, but you have to reach out to take advantage."

"Every time I hear or read this sentiment I know I can bet the mortgage money that the speaker/writer is white."

Everytime I hear or read a negative reaction to this sentiment I'm not surprised that the speaker/writer is a typical hyphenated-American sporting a bottomless pit of entitlement. But you're obsolutely right. RESPONSIBILITY: it's a "white thing"- you wouldn't understand.

a picture is worth 1000 words
Took about 30 seconds on Google to find this:

"Stanley Johnson, of Des Moines, Iowa, carries a pair of sandbags for his house to his truck at a sandbagging station at the Eastside Library in Des Moines, Iowa, on Wednesday, June 11, 2008."


http://www.daylife.com/photo/061gfvn1SQ4BU

If you look at the photo, you'll notice Stanley is a black man who most definitely is not sitting on his arse. Iowa = real folks. NOLA = failed welfare society.

Lionheart's numbers
But Mr. Lionheart,
12% of the population is black; 80% is white. Therefore,we should expect the number of whites living in poverty to be 8 times that of blacks, if the problem were equally distributed.

When you start out with a disadvantaged group (people emerging from slavery), and create systems that fail to encourage success-oriented behavior (first with Jim Crowe, later with Welfare programs), I guess you can't expect any other result.

Stayed and waited for help?
christianlib,
Ummmm we did leave when we knew what was coming. Did you miss that on the news or what???
We worked very hard to stop what flooding we could. We moved south and sand bagged as the flood moved south to try and save other towns. I guess you must have missed that part also.

I live in the area that was flooded
Perry
Midwestern farm areas are sparsely populated and are accustomed to cyclical flooding.

So there aren't as many people displaced in an Iowa flood, say, as a densely populated metropolitan area inundated by broken levies after a major hurricane.

Does that help clear things up for you?

It does not clear it up for me! Our 2nd largest city was COMPLETELY flooded.Ceder Rapids. Iowa City was also under water,our oldest college and our first capital. Not as you claim "sparsely populated". These are densely populated metropolitan areas inundated by broken levies. Sorry you missed that in the news Perry.

TO BERKELEY MARINE SANCTUARY IN CA
This was a Right on Piece you wrote here. The Government AID Virus has all but destroyed this country. Witness public education. Witness the destruction of once beautiful cities with hundreds of years old neighborhoods that have been reduced to rubble in a mere 20 to 40 years once ghettoization takes place. Birmingham, Alabama is a good example of this. Their are old and once proud neighborhoods of working class folks that have been turned in Blocks of Urban blight full of gangs, drug dealers, murder and mayhem on a 24-7 basis, and the once well kept homes are now either boarded up or are crack houses. Welfare and Government Aid Created this mess. I am sure you have witnessed same in California. This is a National Blight. Thanks for your insights.

M. Jerome Ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama
ROLL TIDE

wwsword
It appears that someone in Wisconsin has learned a great deal about New Orleans without actually being there, much of it incorrect. Of course, people in New Orleans have relatives further inland. Of course, there were shelters set up in parts of Texas further inland than the storm path. New Orleans, like most southern cities, is not even particularly "ghettoized." There is, rather, a historical pattern of checkerboard housing, not from any great breadth of mind, which was no more than in Indiana, the record-holder for lynchings, but rather that in the South, one member of a Black family was often employed in domestic service, and needed to live near their work. The greatest white resistance to Jim Crow type housing segregation came from the families who employed the maids and laundresses, who'd be forced to move far away, and likely have to quit their jobs. Therefore, what you see in Nashville and Austin and Atlanta, and New Orleans is a posh or formerly posh neighborhood, with a much more modest Black one nearby, quite old, with churches dating back to Reconstruction. One of the less mentioned, at least by the Great and Important, effects of the Great society, was that Urban Renewal and even school segregation broke up many of these old and established Black neighborhoods. A Marxist world view sees these as ghettos. Because my experience is more individual, I see them as neighborhoods, the kind I walked through at eleven o'clock at night, in 1970, without fear. No, I was not bar crawling. I was joining a group of friends from my university, camped out in a Black church, which we were repainting, between the Spring semester and the start of summer school.

The single greatest need ...
of any man, whether he is consciously aware of it or not, is respect. For those who call themselves Christians, it is commanded in Ephesians 5 that the wife is to give unconditional respect to her husband. In this way, she esteems him and lifts him up which enables him to fulfill his role as the servant-leader he is called to be.

When a man does not receive this innate need, well, take a look around you, do you like what this world has become? Women have an even more important role then most can possibly imagine.

NOTE: I'm sure there will be someone who reads into the above that I'm blaming women for the condition of the world. I'M NOT! My point is to help women realize how important their role is. Men still have to step up and learn to love unconditionally and sacrifice for their family. The role of each spouse is made easier when both are fulfilling their duty.

To Old Programmer in SC
Yes, there was rape and murder the night before Katrina hit in the Super Dome. Check your factis old programmer or whatever you are. And, raping and murder takes place in NO today, and in all other Metro Cities where a Welfare Mentality exists. Check the facts--Urban Gangs are headquartered for the most part in U.S. Government Housing Projects. This system of welfare creates a sense of Entitlement and a Lack of Gratitude and Respect for Self, Others and of Resources. This mentality is especially prevalent in New Orleans and elsewhere. This is not a race thing. This is a National Problem that exists due to Government Exercising Dictatorial Powers in the form of Social Engineering that has destroyed the school system, the work ethic, morality, in general. We are now a debtor nation at the tune of Ten Trillion Dollars, and these Communists such as Obama are promising more give away programs to buy votes from non workers. Get a life Old Programmer and quit defending Criminals. M. Jerome Ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Reverend Wright Misunderstood -
The Government didn't infect anyone with the AIDS virus.... what we're seeing is a virulent spike in cases of the chronic GOVERNMENT AID virus, which is far more dangerous to people whose resistance has been compromised, but well tolerated by those with stronger immune systems.

Symptoms include depression, lethargy and in some cases irrational rage. Severe chronic cases lead to wasted lives and often a premature death. In some (but not all) cases the virus is passed from parent to child. Early intervention with juveniles may increase the likelihood of a full productive life.

TO WWSWORD IN WISCONSIN
You, obviously, are one of those Obamaniacs I witnessed while in Madison, Wi. last October, 2007. They were having an Obama Ralley in Madison, the Capital City of that once-great conservative state. Of course, now that Wisconsin has become a Socialist State itself, it would figure that folks like you would defend Criminality. Foraging, my butt, these looters in New Orleans were organized thieves, who were thieves and criminals before the hurricane even hit. You apologists make this American and Veteran sick to my stomach.

In your communist city of Madison, the folks are so socialized and controlled by your government, and taxed to death, that a pack of cigarettes cost over $5.00 a pack with most of this money going to the city and state in taxes. Then, your bars will not even allow anybody who smokes to do so. You liberals deserve to be Ruled By Government, since you have no brains to think and act on your own.

A Looter and Thief is a Looter and Thief with or without a Hurricane or Family Support in The Ghetto or elsewhere. You are as bad as the race hustlers like Obama, Jackson, Farakhan, Sharpton, Rev. Wrighht amd others. You Teach Victimization Mentality that justifies Every Criminal or other Irresponsible act on the part of blacks and others that you all choose to call victims. Get over it. Get a life.

M. Jerome Ennis In Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Blogs: Take Back Our Schools and Take Back Our Communities.

For Talent Scout
"If I moved to an all black country in Africa, will I find a Paradise?
So any black folks in Africa have anything to complain about in this world?"

If you moved to Africa you would not find paradise, but Darfur and Zimbabwe. The passing of European colonial rule over the last 50 years does not appear to have made things better for the common man in Africa It has only provided opportunities to a continuing stream of dictators and tyrants. In Africa it is the absence of freedom and democracy; in New Orleans it was the combination of poor city government and a black sense of helplessness drven into the population by years of corrupt liberal rule. New Orleans still sits in partial devestation due to that same corrupt local government that will probably continue to be re-elected by a brain washed constituency.

Even the new LA Governor will find it impossible to fix the dysfunctional local NO government system.

And, for GRAYHAWK: There was no epidemic of rapes and murders at the Superdome, these were only rumors spread by the liberal MSM to sensationalize the situation and create evn more victims.

Munck ...
It is true that many of the lower socio-economic inhabitants of NO did not have transportation to escape. That makes it all the more criminal that Mayor Ray Nagin and Govenor Blanco let those many school busses sit in that parking lot and be destroyed by Katrina rather than getting drivers in them and putting them on the roads picking up those that would get on. Many would not get on even those busses as they intended to stay with their stuff in those death-trap homes.

We must not allow ourselves to be sucked into the many lies of Katrina and NO leadership. The Federal Government could not enter LA unless Governor Blanco requested. The oldest law among our many relating to the central government entering a state area of sovergnty is posse comitas. Feds must be requested. Quit blaming the Feds exclusively, it is a non-starter. The city and state leaders shared the ownership of the disaster known as Hurricane Katrina with the Feds.

There has been looting in the Midwest
Oh, and we should note for the record that there has been looting in the Midwest.

Foraging and Social Networks
Why people loot in certain situations and not in others depends on the character of social networks.

White families in the Midwest have extensive social networks on which they can rely, networks that lie outside the crisis area. They can stay with relatives who don't live in the flood plain. Their relatives will provide for the essential needs during the crisis period.

Black families in New Orleans, in contrast, are ghettozied, and what social networks they do enjoy do not often extend beyond the ghetto. This is one of the hallmarks of ghettoized existence. Without social networks beyond the flooded areas that can help them, ghettoized families depend on government assistance, especially in times of crisis. When that assistance is not forthcoming, they provide for themselves the way human beings have for most of history and prehistory: they forage.

Why men are more likely than women to forage is the result of gender relations, wherein, especially in times of crisis, rightly or wrongly, men do the dangerous things in society and women stay with and tend to the children. Men are more likely to forage far from the home for the same reason they are more like to be warriors.

The readers of this blog should know that there is no empirical support for any element of Mike's argument presented here. His is a purely ideological account organized around his conservative political agenda.

Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, etc.
Race Hustlers such as Obama, Jackson, Sharpton, Rev. Wright, etc. are Shaking Us Down Again. These folks have made a living off of Making Everything Racial. The New Orleans Katrina Fiasco is a good example. The Hurricane was seen in advance and folks given ample opportunity to leave. I could have walked far enough away to avoid drowning. Some stayed behind so they could loot since they knew their would be anarchy. Some of the thugs in New Orleans went into the Super Dome before the Hurricane hit, and murdered and raped, just because they could. If these rapists and murderers just happened to be black, so be it. They are not victims of anything, except their own Chosen Irresponsibility and Criminal Behaviors. If blacks want to claim that this is a black thing, then do not get angry when others happen to notice it, and then your Chocolate Mayor comes on TV after the fact, and says, "We are a Chocolate City." His statement pretty much said, we do not want whites. So, for my part, all of you who want to live in a corrupt fish bowl, do so, but do not expect me to have sympathy or empathy for you, and do not expect to be rebuilt with My Tax Money. You chose and choose to live in that cespool called New Orleans.

Obama and Other Race Hustlers
All you dems who are just chafing at the bits to get your favorite Socialist elected so that they can continue to take from the working class who pay taxes and give to you for sitting home collecting welfare stamps, food stamp debit cards, etc. and promising to give you free day care for two year olds, etc. and have never met a criminal or illegal that they don't call a victim, you Better Wake Up. Have you looked around your neighborhoods lately? The country is looking more and more like a Third World Country. You educated warm and fuzzy folks, who probably do work and pay taxes, you better wake up too, and start voting with your brain and not your warm and fuzzy feelings. We are 10 Trillion Dollars in Debt. Rent Comes Due Eventually! The Party is Over. Have You Seen The Gas Pumps. America Has no more free rides.

Cicero--Roman Philosopher
Cicero, a Roman Philosopher, made a statement which this writer, a master's level teacher of students with labels such as "at risk", "behavior disorders" "emotionally conflicted" and also an addictions therapist, uses all the time. "The greatest of all virtues is Gratitude, if not the Mother of All Other Virtues." That is the common thread that is missing in our society today by many, and especially for folks in places like New Orleans, which is a corrupt city, with the majority of it's citizens being on welfare and thus having a lot of time on their hands to be criminals and hustlers, generally. See, when people do not work for anything, they have no appreciation for what they have. Consequently, since they Have No Gratitude, as Cicero said, They Do Not Develop Any Other Virtues as well. Virtues such as Respect, Loyalty, Caring, Responsibility, Love, etc. Yes, the welfare state that began in earnest with Lyndon B. Johnson's so-called Great Society programs, has all but destroyed the poor of this country and made them even poorer and especially poor in the area of Respect, Responsibility, Loyalty to Community, family, and Country. See, People Do Not Respect Things They Do Not Work For. They first, thought, have No Gratitude, so naturally, Respect does not Develop. No Self Respect, No Respect for Others, No Respect For Property or Property Rights. All this comes With Social Welfare Programs. Was it a Design??? Was it intended??? Think About It. An ignorant populace who looks to government for everything are easy to manipulate and control.

francis
You are correct about the whites looting our government but your revisionist history does little to make your case.

Welfare and Blame Mentality
The war we now have is HERE AND NOW. We have a Communist Running For President. Obama. From his earliest training, he has been trained as a Communist. We have A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER FACING US. Bomb Obama's Chances of Being Elected by EXPOSING THIS MONSTER'S PAST AND PRESENT IDEOLOGY. Obama is the most Clear and Present Danger we have. Then, begin Voting Out Every Congress Person Who Supported this Communist, because Birds of A Feather, and all that. Barach's church for 20 years run by Rev. Wright was mentor. Davis, a communist, was Barach's early childhood surrogate father and mentor. Muslim and Liberation Theology (Marxist) was Obama's early Influence. His support for UN and 850 Billion in giveaways are the programs he has sponsored in the Senate. His Early Political Prowess--Community Organizer in Chicago--Translated Marxist Race Hustling. Wake Up. Use your talents and Help Expose Obama.. Black Race Hustlers who have Been Given Celebrity status by the Mainstream Media, are a big cause of Black's not taking responsibility for themselves and their families. The are Taught The Blame Mentality and everytime they fail, they have a Scapegoat, the Evil White Man and Slavery. We need to learn history. Almost every race of people have been subjected to slavery and other wrongs. You cannot continue to use this as an excuse to be Irresponsible and Corrupt. My ancestors were Native Americans and Irish. Do we have grievances in 2008??? No, we got over it. Get Over it and Take Responsibility for your lives. Quit blaming your ancestors. Your ancestors up until about 40 years ago, had morals and good work ethics. The Government Welfare Programs that Obama Promises More Of, are what has destroyed black families and white families as well as they got on the Welfare Band Wagon.

Jerome Ennis in Tuscaloosa, Alabama
jeromeenis@aol.com
Town Hall Blogs: Take Back Our Schools and Take Back Our Communities.

Gay Conservative
You have it exactly right.

I spent two weeks in New Orleans after Katrina providing relief effort. It wasn't a black or white issue as much as it was a dumb issue. NO has been corrupt so long that these people no longer know right from wrong. Also from what I have seen all people, no matter what their skin color, that have the entitlement mentality, are the worst about it. Entitlement mentality tends to be handed down generation to generation.

This is what happens when we let the government social engineer and continually mitigate consequences. We are now seeing it every single day in every way. Look at our courts for starters.

Great and Truthful Article
The war we now have is HERE AND NOW. We have a Communist Running For President, and Nobody Is Taking Off The Gloves in Challenging This Poser, Obama. From his earliest training, he has been trained as a Communist. We have A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER FACING US NOW. Bomb Obama's Chances of Being Elected by EXPOSING THIS MONSTER'S PAST AND PRESENT IDEOLOGY. Obama is the most Clear and Present Danger we have. Then, begin Voting Out Every Congress Person Who Supported this Communist, because Birds of A Feather, and all that. Barach's church for 20 years run by Rev. Wright was mentor. Davis, a communist, was Barach's early childhood surrogate father and mentor. Muslim and Liberation Theology (Marxist) was Obama's early Influence. His support for UN and 850 Billion in giveaways are the programs he has sponsored in the Senate. His Early Political Prowess--Community Organizer in Chicago--Translated Marxist Race Hustling. Wake Up. Use your talents and Help Expose Obama.. Black Race Hustlers who have Been Given Celebrity status by the Mainstream Media, are a big cause of Black's not taking responsibility for themselves and their families. The are Taught The Blame Mentality and everytime they fail, they have a Scapegoat, the Evil White Man and Slavery. We need to learn history. Almost every race of people have been subjected to slavery and other wrongs. You cannot continue to use this as an excuse to be Irresponsible and Corrupt. My ancestors were Native Americans and Irish. Do we have grievances in 2008??? No, we got over it. Get Over it and Take Responsibility for your lives.

Great article Mike!
Obama doesn't want change, like many before him he just wants power. In order for these "race baiters" to keep power they won't really propose anything that will affect change, as it will end the need for them and they can no longer make millions of dollars off their fellow brothers misery and miserable lives.

There are far too many blacks that have become middle to upper income to say that opportunity is not available to all any longer.

Obama pontificates about Iraq,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yet at the same exact time we have been fighting in Iraq and lost 4,000 soldiers (god bless their souls and families)...over 41,427 (that's FORTY-ONE THOUSAND-can't shout enough)blacks have been killed by their fellow brethren here on the soil of the US. On that he's silent, is it because he really doesn't give a crap or because he care's so deeply?????????

Reply # seven
That should be "Black Mayor of New Orleans", not "black mayor or Hew Orleans"

Before I go to bed, where I clearly need to be, the comments thread has run one hundred eighty degrees from Dr. Adams's premise, that the difference in Iowans and New Orleaneans is not their race, but that Louisiana has a welfare state, that breeds passivity. Lily and others confuse the helpfulness of Iowans with government "help" which has shown itself to be not very helpful. In my work with NOLa refugees, I found that many of them also helped their neighbors. The trouble is that, while individuals may well act according to their highest ethical principles, the welfare state has been linked pretty inextricably with the inducement of passivity, IN GROUPS, and has encouraged the growth of a large number of fatherless/ exampleless Black men. So very many of my Black coworkers are very vocal about not wanting to marry another Black man. If you believe, as I do, that skin pigment is not a determining factor in behavior, then it is reasonable, and absolutely counter to racism, to seek sociological causes, of which the welfare state is an obvious circumstance, to be examined first.

#41
I certainly hear "take responsibility for your own life" from Blacks, possibly because I know and work with more Blacks than one would commonly find in Washington state.

As for Mr. Dog of Ohio: My son and I helped move refugees from overflowing centers in Houston to the ones our community had set up in Austin. They talked a good deal about how kind we had been to them, which we found, of course, embarrassing, but they never mentioned any rednecks patrolling the corporate limits of NOLa with pickups and shotguns. One might well think that the subject would have come up, if only to show the contrast. Those of us involved in actually doing something for the people of New Orleans know who we are. Those whose identity needs require them to feel a sense of superiority to someone else, Christians, heterosexuals, people with trucks, whatever, often do outgrow these needs, over time, and given a lack of reinforcement for their counterproductive behavior and attitudes. Let us devoutly hope so for the lady in Washington and the gentleman in Ohio.

looters
Come on Mike, stop trying to be so politically correct. The facts are there are more Blacks waiting for help and looting than there are whites of either sex. In fact there are even more black females looting than white males. Liberals have engrained this mindset into Black people that they deserve and need government help. Blacks are taught to live off the system instead of supporting themselves. Blacks are systematically lazy. As far as the one's looting and shooting, this is different. The one's looting and shooting are doing so because violence is a normal part of being black. Blacks are natural born theives and crminals. It doesn't matter what they have or how rich they are they still have to break the law one way or another. Look at professional Black athletes, you never heard of professional athletes getting in trouble with the law until Blacks became dominant and they make millions more now than before. The same with Rap singers, millionaire criminals, everyone. They rape, steal, kill, drink, buy and sell dope, gamble on illegal dogs, whatever, they can do they do it. Even the wealthiest of all the politicans break laws at a much higher rate than their white counterparts. Wealth and edcuation don't matter, its how they are wired. I know I be called a racist or worse but the truth is what it is in most cases.

Rudeness at cracker barrel
If you have ever supervised people in retail, you know that they often complain about rude customers, but, in my experience, the rudeness was a poorly expressed demand that the service personel SERVE. Those of us who work in service are really put out when we are served more poorly than we serve.

The volunteers who went into NOLa in boats, and a few days later in trucks,may not have been Christians. That is a matter of the heart. What is a matter of record is that the first relief efforts were organized by churches, and that these efforts were on the ground before Nagin's whine machine even got going.

Four outta Five ain't bad
Five states were severly impacted by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Four out of the five states simply took the hits, picked themselves up by their boot straps and began rebuilding their communities and cities. So what happened to the fifth? Lack of self-reliance. This lack of self-reliance was summed up when one resident proclaimed on national television (which only appeared once) "when the gubment gonna help me?"
I feel bad for this person, I really do. Her sense of entitlement was so great that she would just as soon sit in water up to her neck and wait for the feds to provide her with dry ground, food, water and clothing instead of seeking it out for herself. This was not a person of significant age or physical disability which would prevent them from acting on their own. In contrast there was another story (which aired only once) where a man stole a bus and drove himself, his family and six other families to Texas to get the things they needed to survive. He collected gas money from from the other riders as they needed it to make the trip. Many people are going to hit only on the fact the he "stole" a school bus. I say more power to him. Drastic circumstances need drastic solutions. Another situation that I witnessed first hand in NOLA was of people taking shots at helicopters when they approached to try and rescue these people from their roof tops. A simple Thank You would suffice!! AmTrak and Greyhound bus lines offered their services to Nagin and Blanco, BOTH refused these servies to get the people out of the city. My point in all of this is that it seemed appearent to me that a lifetime of welfare entitlements wiped out a natural and inherent safeguard called self-reliance.

#67
Rape and looting are against the various conventions that form the law of war. A few American soldiers from the Iraq theater have been prosecuted, setting an example for the rest, who might have been tempted.

Time to debate how much help is helpful!
Liberals have always made laws and regulations and justified them with emotional arguements and name calling of "heartless" at those who don't follow along. Let's admit it that welfare and government help ca hurt.

"Racism" in NOLa
There were a thousand school buses left in a parking lot, that could have been used to evacuate the carless. The BLACK mayor or Hew Orleans left them there. Amtrak offered to transport as many people as their trains would hold, when they were moving those trains out of NOLa to safety. The mayor turned them down, and the trains left, empty. The good old boys from surrounding parishes, who took their small boats into NOLa to evacuate trapped citizens, were nearly all white. They were turned back, because of hysterical and false media reports of sniper fire in the city. The President of the United States tried to get Governor Blanco to Federalize the La. National Guard, before the storm, so that they and their trucks could be sent in to evacuate the pedestrians. She never called back. Congressional investigations, after the fact, uncovered e-mails among her staff, debating the President's offer, and whether it might make La's first woman governor look week, if she let the male President do the evacuation. These racism allegations are stupid, but they have taken on a life of their own, among people who need to believe them.

Iowa versus New Orleans
A knee-jerk reaction to the differences between the attitude of the American citizens of Iowa versus the American citizens in New Orleans is race.

Humans to understand complicated events and problems use abstractions.

An abstraction of the preparation, evacuation, looting and survival techniques reveal something quite different - individualism versus collectivism.

A primary element of 'individualism' is individual responsibility for self-determination, decisions, actions, deeds and accepting responsibility for everything one does or fails to do.

The collectivist believes that the group, i.e. the Government, rather than the individual, can better solve all problems faced by society.

Collectivists believe that the government can best protect citizens, make sure they don’t suffer, that they are well clothed, fed, housed, have medical care and that citizens are treated justly.

Iowa citizens are more 'individualistic' and rely for the most part on individual action and responsibility based on their background of farming and owning their land, homes and living on the fruit of their own labor.

New Orleans citizens are more 'collectivist' and rely for the most part on collective action based on their background of liberal policies and government responsibility and living either on government property and subsistence.

The root of the difference – Individuals versus Collectives.


disasterwench...
I see your "right brain" is in action (neurologist, "jumpin'" Jeremiah Wright's explanation of black "reasoning").

I cast the light on black pathologies that destroy cities, people and lives in general, and you get emotional and nasty. That's very ghetto-black of you.

At two periods in my life, I've lived in black ghettos, and I've witnessed the insanity first hand.

There are black people who honestly know and shun the black ghetto culture. They must stay quiet, however, because to say something direct about black pathologies, they would be vilified and even threatened by the black toxic-tribal overseers, and then set-upon by the latter's slaves.

In other words, honest and decent blacks are "kept in their place" by the prevailing black race pimps and their slaves in your midst.

I'd bet the farm, your gold front tooth, and half of your food stamp allotment that if a Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams ran for mayor of New Orleans, you'd be first in line to trash either of these men. They're much too literate, brilliant, and honest which goes against the black toxic tribes rules.

You're part of the problem. But you're much too dumb and dishonest to know it, homegurl. See also "right-brained".

btw: What do you do when a physician diagnoses you during a visit? Punch him (or her)?


Subject: Giles corey - This just in
You have got to be kidding me. Just another group of victims I suspect. Victims of no child left behind, I am sure. I heard the pathetic speech of the mayor. She sounded absolutely unprepared to hold her position. Wouldn't answer any questions about the specifics of the case, just begged for more money. How about if she would have stated that values had left the schoolhouse and it would be beneficial to the students to be instructed that leading selfish, nihilistic lifestyles is not a good thing. Oh I forgot, we need to nurture young lives.

Get a grip.

There must have been a pregnancy rate hundreds of times larger 20, 30, 40 years ago because there were no condoms distributed in school.

Way to use logic in your post hoc ergo proctor hoc argument.

Let's Hear it For Iowans
It sounds as if the people who asked Adams to write about "why no white looters in Iowa" and Adams himself all gladly seized an opportunity to rant against blacks ("inherent differences"). So be it: townhall has its share of racists. But let's not fail to mention, please, the extraordinary community spirit of Iowans. I have family in Iowa and every time I visit I am impressed by the responsibility Iowans clearly feel toward one another. Recently my folks' church has been actively intervening on behalf of the families of illegal immigrant workers who were grabbed (leaving children behind). And at the moment my relations in their late 80's and with complex medical problems are welcoming flood victims into their home. Their neighbors and fellow-congregants are doing the same, and meanwhile relief supplies are being collected. Iowans' motto seems to be "Look around and see if anybody needs anything". If they saw looting, not only would they not join it, they would probably organize a Looter Relief Initiative. These are just unusually good people. And, folks, not all Iowans are white.

What the?
After reading this article I still don't know why people didn't loot in Iowa since it's not about people living in the flood area of Iowa. You know, if you are going to make a case for why people don't chew bubblegum in XYZville, you don't do it by devoting the piece to why people chew bubblegum in ABCville. This is courtroom sleight of hand.

To Bubba,
Amen.

Caption to your flood picture:
"An aerial view shows the damage national highway near Balasore, about 220 km (139 miles) west from the eastern Indian city of Kolkata, in this June 22, 2008 picture."

# 115-BUSH, NEW ORLEANS AND KATRINA
I am sick of people blaming Bush for Katrina issues in Louisiana. Your statement about the culture of New Orleans is pure bullcrap. There were white and black looters. The fact is the vast majority were black. The culture of the city had not one damn thing to do with looting. New Orleans is a large town filled with hundreds of thousands of people. Someone has to work or there would be no hotels, gambling halls, saloons, homes, food stores, etc. The city is a tourist town which brings in big money and many people work hard to collect that money.

The looters were, in most cases, not those hardworking citizens but as the man points out the ones who do not work.

Nagin and Blanco sat on their asses and did nothing until it was too late. A state or a city must call on the Federal Givernment for help. They waited too late. Bush was not one iota at fault for that mess.

If the Louisiana politicians were not so crooked they would have spent the money thewy were paid at least twice since Camille, 1968, of fix the levees.

Bubba

Love it!
Can I paraphrase a quote from you to others??

"There are no illegitimate children, only illegitimate fathers."

Norm

Katrina
The culture of New Orleans is let the good times roll. It is the notion of working very little, drinking plenty, and not worry about more than two hours in the future. Those ideas have been around for many decades, even before the majority of people of NO were black.

In addition, the libs have criticized Pres. Bush for the problems of Katrina. Well, there was plenty of blame to go around, from Mayor "Useless" Nagin to the now defunct Gov. Blanco to Pres. Bush. But the two Dem politicians are libs, so they get a pass from the left wingers.

Looters in Iowa?
I call them farmers. The numerous farm subsidies they receive amounts to looting the american tax payer... And they are about to receive more welfare in the form of some massive amount of bailout money as a result of this flooding disaster. I've said it many times...The American Farmer is the biggest welfare queen in the country.

happen to be black
I think the fact that the katrina people were black is a function of societal messages. Any group of people given the same messages (often mixed and contradictory) that have been given this group would respond the same way, whatever the race. It's the same with gender politics, religious discussions, etc. Whatever group is the identified victim behaves basically the same way.

What Was The Point Of This Article?
Was it to say there was no white looting in Iowas? Or was it yet another excuse to deride, debase, and insult black Americans. Iowa is full of black people. Even the small towns in Iowa have black populations. So what is the point. Why do whites still feel free to accuse, stereotype, and pile insults upon black people in this country? Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakhan are not black America. They are three men who have chosen careers as media hounds than claim to represent black America. Black America did not chose them as it's representatives, but they have to put of with them and the white reaction to them. Whites use the trio as an excuse to continue their racist rants, while black America wishes everybody would just "shut up." Despite the often cited grim statistics, over the past forty years 57% of black Americas have pulled themselves out of centuries of government mandated poverty to join the middle class. There are now more African Americans holding college degrees, owning businesses, and are homeowners than ever before in this country's history. Affirmative Action seems to be repugnant to certain whites only when it is applied to black people. Yet the biggest benefitiary of AA has been white women; and by extention white men because they are married to, mothered by, and relatives of white women. Those same disgruntled whites seem to practice collective amnesia when it comes to this aspect of the AA issue.

Remember the Houston Dome...
...when the "refugees" from Katrina were bussed into Houston, the area around the dome saw a significant increase in crime. Just a coincidence?

Looters
NOLA had a well entrenched criminal element, like most cities in the country. When the crooks heard that a hurricane was coming, they decided to pool their forces, get together and ride uou the storm. When the storm passed, the police would be absent so they could have free rein to go shoplifting til they dropped. Seeing the pictures on TV, I can understand why people in that situation would break into a supermarket to get food or water, but it's hard to see how a wide screen TV is a substinance item.

Evie
Its hard to disagree with your contempt for those that minimize their contributions and maximize their acceptance of handouts. Perhaps the most pernicious factor of govt largesse is the fact it makes handout junkies of most of us. I was furloughed for 3 weeks, and i didn't turn down my unemployment insurance, even though i believe it is abused more often than not. I paid into the fund for 42 times 52 weeks, it can be argued i was entitled to a little of it back. But it is a matter of degree. Qualifying for a govt handout all too often becomes a lifestyle goal. This stifles potential for higher things and a better life. TINSTAAFL. Even when one does not pay directly.

Is that right Ron...
And what chromosome did the "WHITE LOOTERS" have when they stole land from the Native Americans of this fair-land?

What chromosome did the "WHITE LOOTERS" have when they raped their black woman slaves and made all those mesaginist babies?

What chromosome did the "WHITE LOOTER" rapist have when they inpregnated those "WHITE LOOTER" woman in Massachustts?

AS YOU SAY;

"Black males are no more likely to take advantage of the opportunity to loot than are [White looter males]. However, the fact that they possess a 'Y' chromosome causes their looting to be more "newsworthy." Whereas the [White looter males] in question will use legal methods (provided by elected representatives) to loot and plunder the rest of productive society."

Thank you Ron for your scientific analysis...

Stats
Approximately 37% of white America receives some form of government handout, "freebie," or about 88,000,000 on the public teat. Approximately 32% of black America receives same, or around 13,000,000 on the dole.

Corporate welfare is another story.

Regardless how you cut it - we have become a nation of generational slackards. While everyone argues about who is getting more we continue to hell in a handbasket.

well, we can't ALL be victims, can we?
I had a friend from New Orleans tell me that the real reason the folks were trapped was because Katrina came on the 28th of the month (checks come out on the 1st)

As to the looting...

"There is another observation that is just as obvious as the fact that black males are more likely than black females to take advantage of the opportunity to loot as a means of eradicating historical oppression."

Black males are no more likely to take advantage of the opportunity to loot than are black females. However, the fact that they possess a 'Y' chromosome causes their looting to be more "newsworthy." Whereas the females in question will use legal methods (provided by elected representatives) to loot and plunder the rest of productive society.

Pro from Dover
Watch a few episodes of Springer and tell me how white folk are so moral and upright.

It is you who needs a reality check if you don't see the masses of young white men drawing "disability" checks for bad backs while some woman (momma or a wife or girlfriend) supports their Budweiser and/or meth habit.

You could even look higher up the food chain to Boy Bush who spent most of his adult life in a bottle living off taxpayers and/or jobs daddy got for him. One of many idiot aging frat boys in high places who live off family connections.

If we have one more generation of idiotology from the "left" and "right" the US is finished - a has been nation.

White Looters In The White House
White looters in the Lincoln bedroom stealing the furniture.

White looters in the White House stealing the silverware.

White looters in the White House stealing presidential portraites.

White looters in the White House stealing military secretes.

White looters in the White House stealing national treasures.

White looters in the White House stealing social security.

White looters in the White House stealing elections.

The real White looters are in Washington stealing this country right from under our noses.



Lionheart Reply #62: proportion versus %
If your figures are correct, when they are taken into account with estimated 2005 population data obtained from

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html

it is not correct to compare percentages. If whites are 80.2% of the population and black/AA are 12.8%, then in absolute numbers, there should always be more whites than blacks receiving aid.

It seems to me that a better comparison is one of proportion. Comparing your numbers with the population data from the website above, 1.7% of black/AA received aid while only 0.25% white received aid. This was calculated by proportionality: # of aid recipients in race class/ total # in race class.

That means, if the data was collected correctly, a black/AA is 6.8 times more likely to receive aid than a white. I did not run any statistical analysis, but something tells me that number is significant. If someone finds an error with my math, please let me know. It has been a while since I studied Statistics.

Disasters are named babe for a reason
As a hoity toity Washingtonian one can sit and marvel at Mt. Ranier and Mt. St. Helens while speculating who is white enough in Bagdad and New Orleans at the same time.
I remember when Mt. St. Helens blew up. I had to clean my windshield that day.

Some particulars of Katrina
There is no way to live in New Orleans (NO) and not be aware that the protection of the levee system is limited to category 3 or less storms. It is routine to suffer through unnecessary evacuations each hurricane season. Travel to Baton Rouge, which is roughly 80 miles away, can take up to 24 hours. It is not surprising that the residents of NO get weary of evacuations. However, Katrina was an extraordinary situation.

Katrina became a category 5 before it hit New Orleans. At this time, no sane person should be considering to stay. Keep in mind that Nagin did call for a mandatory evacuation. What most do not know, is that he specifically stated the Superdome was a special needs facility that could only hold few residents. He told the residents not to come to the superdome. The people came. When Nagin realized he could not stop the tide, he again pleaded not to come to the Superdome, but if you had to come, bring 3 days worth of food and water with you. So what happened? Tens of thousands of people showed up where they were not supposed to be with no provisions for themselves.

As far as the cars, the last I recollect, around 30,000 flooded UNINSURED cars were left for the state to tow. Who do you think owned these uninsured cars? Also, the looting was not confined to the CBD. Homes were being invaded as well. That is why people who stayed were out patrolling their neighborhoods.

The mentality of inner city NO is one of depravity and indifference. I can not believe it is particular to race, but I do believe it is particular to the entitlement mentality.

The lesson of NO? This is the society produced when individuals rely on government instead of themselves. This is the 'change' Obama is peddling.

@Cactus Lover
"better to let natural selection work itself out in nola. If these people are too stupid to understand a catastophe is headed their way perhaps they deserved the consequences that befell them."

That's exactly what I said about all these people here in california who lined the hillside with million dollar home's now being burned out. Remember I said the same thing about those folks who braught properties up and down the mississippi river now being flooded out... those folk's shoulda got food insurance, but da-dident.

Um and what about all those folks along the Gulf coast who continually get bailed out everytime a storm hits?...No FEMA Trailers fo-dem!

Yeah I guess your right Cactus...If these people [who are more than likely WHITE] are too stupid to understand a catastophe [whether it's FIRE, FLOODS, or TORNADOS] is headed their way perhaps they [do] deserved the consequences that befell them."

disasterbabe
by your reasoning successful white people are supposed to fell guilty because they did something with their lives and don't rely of dim entitlements to survive.

If people chose to work 40 to 60 hours a week to get their job done why shouldn't they enjoy the fruits of their labor.

It is the libs who keep the poor blacks on the plantation of entitlement by making failure so easy to live with. If the dims/libs were so caring and compassionate for the underclass they would have eliminated the need for the welfare system

Thank God
Thank God that the looting has been minimal if non-existant. It's easy to throw stones and wonder why while losing sight of what's happening right now. I think the people of the mid-West are doing what most needs to be done: filling sandbags; shoveling muck & mud; and rebuilding their homes.

disasterbabe,
having lived with the threat of yearly hurricanes we learned to prepare to take care of our own needs in the event a storm hit.

All you are saying is that these parasites can't wipe their own nose without govt assistance.

At what point can society expect these deadbeats to assume the responsibility for their own lives.

We already hear they can succeed in school because of the so called white curriculum. But there seems to be lots of success learning about drugs and making out of wedlock babies.

Skin color has nothing to do with making yourself a loser in life. But blacks make up the majority of nola population and are the majority of the school board and the teachers. Exactly when are black civil servants going to emphasize doing something with your life.

all katrina proved is what happens to a segment of society that has learn to live off the public terat rather than take charge of their lives. All you are saying is that blacks have a legitimate excuse for being failures

Junkyard to Confederate Mick
"The looting was relatively minor when compared to the looting of Bagdad."

But, what you understand is that Iraqis just aren't white ENOUGH.

Giles corey - This just in
"What is the punchline to this hoax? What can 17 teenagers get after becoming pregnant besides government assistance? "

Apparently, the uptrend in school pregnancies occurred after sex education was dropped and prohylactics were removed from the bathrooms.

(We all know those things encourage promiscuous behavior, and we have to protect teen girls, right?)

Animalgirl
You remain as the ultimate hoax.

cactus lover
"Yet the bleeding heart libs will continue to make excuses why blacks continue to make poor choices concerning their lives"

And the condescending, ignorant, and sanctimonious conservatives will continue to pretend that lacking a certain amount of melanin in your skin just automatically makes you a better person.

Confederate Mick

New Orleans isn't Sadr City.
The looting was relatively minor when compared to the looting of Bagdad.
Was the looting in Bagdad because of religion or race during Operation Hurricane Whoopass?
You questions remain entirely irrelevent to race and looting.

nola blacks
only prove why the dim plantation is such a failure. When gnerations of blacks have learned that all they have to do is act the victim and society will take care of them there is no incentive to take care of yourself.

But it wasn't difficult for chocolate city nagin to relocate his family to texas but the fool let dozens of city buses sit idle only to be flooded when they could have been put to use evacuating the self imposed helpless who lack the intelligence and incentive to take care of themselves.

better to let natural selection work itself out in nola. If these people are too stupid to understand a catastophe is headed their way perhaps they deserved the consequences that befell them.

We are now approaching three years after katrina and hundreds of the entitlement crowd is still crying they can't cant's their lives back on track. But if the govt will allow them they will stay victims for the rest of their lives. As long as society provides handouts there is a percentage who will continue to take rather than take care of themselves.

Exactly what justifiable excuse does this segment of society have for not taking advantage of what society gives them at no charge. Exactly why some 40 plus years after johnson started his great society have these poor blacks not gotten the message there are things you can do to escape poverty. There is no plausible excuse why blacks continue to have such high drop out rates from school and high illiteracy rates

Yet the bleeding heart libs will continue to make excuses why blacks continue to make poor choices concerning their lives


Pro from Dover
It's amazing to me how columnists like Adams can draw people like you out of the woodwork just like cockroaches when the light goes off.

Actually, I love it that you took so much time to list all the reasons that black are inferior - it's only one more piece of evidence for the fact that the conservative movement has imploded and is shrunk to a small congress of racists, religious fanatics and people like Mick.

Shefali
"But so what? At some point you take responsibility for your own life. America is a land of opportunity, but you have to reach out to take advantage."

Every time I hear or read this sentiment I know I can bet the mortgage money that the speaker/writer is white.

gilescorey
I'm saying there never was a pact...it's urban myth in the making.

Seventeen teenagers got pregnant, what else is new?

Proud Reagan
" is the folks waiting for "someone" to come into their homes and neighborhoods, surrounded by death, filth and rising water, and give them everything. Who says slavery is dead?

Yeah!!! That's exactly what the ruling Generals of Burma/Mynamar said!!! What did those dying people want, anyway? Help??

Good for you, Proud, you are a credit to your religion!

disasterbabe
What is the punchline to this hoax? What can 17 teenagers get after becoming pregnant besides government assistance?

Mick
Are you and Adams the same person, writing from different computers?

Mr. Vince
Wow! What a profound statement. I hope you stretched before typing that one. You must have felt like paris hilton after watching wheel of fortune.

I have a new nickname for you; Captain Obvious.

Big Mick
"what do YOU have to say about the Gloucester Mass Fertility Cult?"

I don't know what Junyard has to say, but I say it is a hoax that anybody who has half a brain could see, you moron.

"We Need ..."
More revealing of big government's success in subjegating the black race is the folks waiting for "someone" to come into their homes and neighborhoods, surrounded by death, filth and rising water, and give them everything. Who says slavery is dead? The masters have merely been changed from white southerners to federal, state and local politicans of all colors.

Dump Canine
I expect that I would find you at 9/11 truther rallies and listening to Alex Jones. Stating that you are an eyewitness to events that you describe over the citizens band with all of those news teams waiting in the wings is one hell of an accusation.

Do us all a favor, go back to world net daily or stormfront or infowars or whatever dark hole you spend your days.

Junkie
Hey! Given your defense of Chocolate Cultural and Governmental Stupidity, and your bigotry toward Lilly White Pickup owners, Iowans and "poorer lazy whites", what do YOU have to say about the Gloucester Mass Fertility Cult?

Whose fault is THAT stupidity?

If it was "Gang Related activity" are you FOR it or agin it?

see my blog, click the underlined name, for the latest GLM-17 activity.

the big mick

Junkie!
Wow! If White Cracker Rednecks in Pickup Trucks with Shotguns and Confederate Flag Decals can do such an AWESOMELY EFFECTIVE job of SEALING OFF a MAJOR CITY so NO ONE Can Escape, lets send THEM to Sadar City!!!

God, what pathetic Racist excuses for the Cultural Stupidity of a Major US city.

As for your bigotry toward Iowans--what the hell was there to loot in Chocolate Town?

the big mick

What is there to loot in Iowa?
The lack of looters in the flood zone has very little to with race.
I heisted fifty two sandbags, some corn and this cow followed me home.
Arr maties, twas a fine haul of booty.
For all you experts on why folks didn't just up and get out of the way of Katrina.
#1 There were people in pickup trucks with shotguns patroling the outer city limits with a clear intent to shoot at anyone they chose that tried to leave.(If you were in CB range you could very clearly hear what they meant to do to any black folks they saw.)
Since you want to bring up this touchy subject why not bring up this fact?
The "poor lazy blacks" were surrounded by the poorer lazy whites.
That's always been a bad mix in the past.
They would have suffered heavier casualties if they tried to leave.


The welfare state has kicked the black
The welfare state has kicked the black family you know where. I was reading somewhere that in the 1940s the black illegitimacy rates were LOWER than the white one. Also, right after the Civil War, many newly freed blacks traveled hundreds of miles, often on foot, to find family members that had been sold far away. There is no reason to think that black people are any less capable of taking care of their families, obeying laws, starting businesses, etc., BUT the government welfare system and the lack of education, the encouragement of victim-hood, etc., DO make a big difference.

So does affirmative action. Affirmative action basically tells a black person he or she cannot succeed without a handicap. I have friends who are from India who are darker than most American blacks, who speak English as a second language, etc., and they somehow manage, despite discrimination and cultural barriers, to take care of their families, start businesses, send their kids to college and often med school... so do many friends that I have from the Caribbean, Africa, Vietnam, etc.

Yes, racial discrimination does exist in America. Yes, it IS harder to get ahead if you grew up in a poor neighborhood. I grew up in a working class NYC neighborhood, I know it's harder. But so what? At some point you take responsibility for your own life. America is a land of opportunity, but you have to reach out to take advantage. If you sit and wait for things to fall in your lap you will be very disappointed.

let's face it....
The difference in N.O and Iowa is as clear as black and...well, black!


Surrrrre they are, Evie.
All people are the same, as you say.

And I'm a Congolese hockey star.

But why do blacks have riots when a jury verdict on a black criminal doesn't go the way they demand?

Why do blacks have memorials with all the wreaths, singing, and candles after, finally, a black gangsta or junkie gets popped by the cops?

No other race does those idiotic things.

Why can you go into Detroit and buy an enormous home at 1950's prices? And why are even blacks now leaving that third-world dump in droves?

And why are almost half of all blacks under the custodial care of the government? Hands down, blacks have a corner on living on the dole - and they're proud of it. You call it, "gettin' ova (over)".

Why do blacks show up in churches every Sunday by the thousands and throw money at their preachers, but live in the most violent and vulgar ways in complete disregard for The Bible?

I haven't even mentioned the black cultural trait of dropping out of school, beating up teachers while they're there, commiting violent crime, having children out of wedlock, and demanding set-asides, preferences and entitlements.

Most blacks have no shame, but then again, it takes self-respect, respect for others, respect for social rules and respect for the law to have any kind of self-governing healthy shame.

You need a reality check, Evie -- big time.

Hey Munckie, Rammy etc
And what are we to label the Factual Pointing out of the Stupidity of the, presumeably lily White Community of the Gloucester 17?

Sexism?

For the latest on GLM-17 and the Gloucester Mass Fertility Cult, see my blog, click the underlined name above.

You will also find the etymology of my terminological exactitude commiequeer there.

the big mick

RAMboid back at 3:45 or so
Hey Ramboy! If pointing out the stupidity of the citizenry of "Chocolate" (THEIR term) Nahluns is de facto Racism, then what do we term the factual pointing out of POLITICAL stupidity?

As I done tole, Munckieman, Rammy, Stupid is as Stupid does, Chocolate, White Trash, Commiequeer or Hindu.

the big mick

Save the Children
Crime is a topic that Obama and the Democrats have studiously avoided. When looking at the root causes of crime:

Democrats started the 'War on Poverty' 40 years ago mandating that poor women who recieve welfare, food stamps, housing - MAY NOT HAVE A FATHER IN THE HOME.

America has already lost generations of young black people and anyone who speaks out - whites are labeled 'Racists' blacks speaking out are labeled 'Uncle Toms' and 'Aunt Jemimas' brought on by Liberals and PC talk and coercion.

Save our black youth before it is to late!

Do not let another generation of blacks be destroyed by Liberal 'Social Tinkerers' and Liberal 'Solutions'.

Obama wants to pay the college tuition of any student that will become a lawyer focusing on defending these youth instead of stopping the source of crime Liberal solutions.

Many black social workers including some who post here know where the problem lies - Liberals - and are working feverishly to save as many black children as possible from this Liberal horror.

Liberals would rather destroy thousands and thousands of children than admit the failure of their solutions for the 'Common Good'.

Save the children!

Hey Munckie Man!
Regarding being surrounded by a large lake. Is the brilliant idea of REbuilding a Hurricane Prone City IN the middle of said Large Lake, a Government Stupidity or a Chocolate Cultural one, or just your standard Commiequeer or Moronic Mythical Moderate Middle one?


Stupid is as stupid does, Munckie.

the big mick

Bob Munckieman 11:58 am
I suppose they didn't have feet either?

And what are we to make of the idle School buses?

Fact is the Chocolate Do Nothings elected by the Chocolate Citizens were too stupid to do anything useful.

All of which merely says what you had in The Big Easy was a CULTURE of Corruption, Depedency and Parasite-ism. I leave it to others to split the hair whether that is a Chocolate Thing or a Governmental one.
Personally I think the Vin diagram overlaps in Mutual Culture and Governmental Corruption there. The Nanny State needs little Chocolate Babies to empower it, the Chocolate Culture requires the Nanny State to survive. A symbiotic relationship of two parasites.

the big mick

BAMAddox
Below is some information you may want to think about. When you look at actual numbers rather than percentages regarding who actually receives welfare assistance, you will better understand how true your statement to Jim was (you said: "It is a growing problem in some white families too."). Poverty is a fact that affects nearly as many white families as it does black families.

For FY 2005/2006, a total of 1,802,567 families received Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF-income assisted benefits). 643,516 (or 35.7%) were black families. 596,649 (or 33.1%) were white families. The difference between the two is only 46, 487 (or 3%).
(source: http://www.acf.hhs.gov//programs/ofa/character/FY2000/anal ysis.htm)

Democrats are racists
Democrats have been funding and sending 'troops' to the Democrats "War on Poverty" for over 40 years now with no end in sight.

The Democrats "War on Poverty" is an abject failure and there has been hundreds of thousands of casualties.

The Democrats "War on Poverty" built 'Government Crime Centers' to concentrate those they are at war with that even the police are afraid to go into.

These Democrat 'Crime Centers' produces illegal drug distributors, killers, prostitutes, child abusers, hundreds of thousands babies killed through abortions and tens of thousands of rapes.

The Democrat funded 'War on Poverty' has succeeded in increasing poverty, crime, drug addicts, 70% illigitamcy rates and the highest prison population in the world.

Democrats have destroyed the black family that was once one of the strongest in America.

Democrats have created dependence within the black community in order to play 'political chess' and prove their 'collectivist' theories.

Democrats have little sympathy for the collateral damage they have caused to blacks.

Over 2.6 million blacks voted conservative in the last election - they are our brothers and sisters fighting to save our country.

Classing a race or a group by the actions of others is a racist of the lowest order.

Race is not the topic. Government is.
Adams is correct. People who want to brand the looting gap between New Orleans and Iowa a race issue are missing the boat. Likewise, people who want to blame looting by blacks on historical oppression are missing the boat.

Back in the 1930s, there was no rioting by blacks, no looting, and relatively little illegitimacy. The average black family was poorer than the average white family, but they were cohesive families. It wasn't until Johnson's War on Poverty that families broke up, out-of-wedlock births soared, and single women with children became the bulk of the welfare rolls.

The primary causes of crime and poverty in the black community are government intervention and the sexual revolution. These two agents blew the black family to smithereens. The historical cause of modern, black poverty has its roots in the errors of the 60s, not in the slave trade.

Adams is also correct in noting that much of the anger in the black community is actually displaced anger originating from abandonment. Look into the background of an angry, black Muslim and you'll frequently find a frightened, abandoned, fatherless black kid.

The best thing that could possibly happen to the black community is for the whole lot of them to blow off the government altogether and decide they're going to fix themselves without any help at all. Government is not the solution, it's the problem.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Click on my nickname and follow the links on my townhall blog. Thanks.)

Looters
On another note:

Enemy soldiers always loot (and rape) in wartime. That includes many White soldiers who were Heads of household regarding their wives/kids when they returned home. Many White males did their share of damage over the centuries.

Hey Wimb
What's your point????

RE: Jim
I have been guilty of labeling the black race as greedy and lazy but you are right in that many black people are honest, hard working people who care for their families. Although, because of personal experience, I agree with many of the posts about the lack of personal responsibility in the black community. It is a growing problem in some white families too. Some white kids have grown up seeing black kids getting things without having to achieve and are learning there is a free ride on the government. Another factor is often there is no punishment for crime because liberal government excuses youth and poverty as a cause. Add the growing number of illegal immigrants to this and America is heading down a dangerous path.

Lionheart and Other Global Citizens
Hey Lionheart, you sound like a real liberal guy(girl?), a true progressive.

Here's what I want you to do. I want you to immerse yourself in diversity. I want you to embrace other cultures in a real way.

Go to any city that has a Martin Luther King Blvd and walk down it at night. It's your right. You have a right to be there. So do it. These streets were named after a man of peace, a Noble Peace Prize winner.

In fact, walk down MLKB in the daytime. And when you find yourself approaching some "disenfranchised youth", engage them in a "rap and relate" dialogue and let them know you're a liberal. They'll no doubt welcome you with open arms as they would any other citizen of the world.

If you haven't got a car...
you walk, bike or hitch-hike away from where a hurricane is getting ready to hit. New Orleans is built below sea level. Once those levees broke the entire city was under sea water. Why didn't people leave earlier? Maybe they were afraid they'd be 'looted' by anybody who stayed in NOLA after they'd left. One would have to be a little bit vapid to live in a city below sea level (much less to stay there waiting on the government to come save them while a hurricane was coming) FEMA will help AFTER the hurricane. Before & during the hurricane you're on your own. FEMA doesn't fight hurricanes to rescue anybody & sane people wouldn't expect them to.

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R.A.M.
Subject: Bigots all
Nuff said

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Don't be so hard on yourself.

Racist posters ..
I'm black and not offended by 99.9% of the comments I see in this thread, although some stated the obvious slightly more coarser than others.

Laziness, ignorance, incompetency, no respect for education, criminal mentality and low to no moral values are also traits in white America. Nor are those qualities the result of poverty/wealth - I've known too many poor folk who are decent and too many wealthy who are criminal.

Such traits begin in the cradle and with parenting, or lack of, and afflicts a large segment of America - rich, poor, middle class, black, white, brown ...

The problem with the black community
...has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the Liberal/socialist policies they have been lured into and become addicted to. Blacks at the turn of the century faced much more discrimination and had far fewer opportunities than blacks today but were far more successful because the Big Brother government hadn't yet evolved to destroy them. When you give a man fish you feed his hunger but starve him of responsibility to learn to fish for himself. Of course Liberals will always just claim that they haven't yet done enough rather than admit they have failed an entire group of people.

Husker2
True,

Recovering from Ivan, Dennis, etc. a FEMA adjuster mentioned his work load covering all of FL. His quite prophetic comment was "at least it's not New Orleans. New Orleans and Miami are the worst city for disaster fraud." A few months later Katrina hit.

R.A.M.
I'll repeat to you the same comment I made to Will...please address specific posters with specific issues. Saying "these people" are probably "holier than thou Christian types" and then proceeding to debate against a point you just created is retarded and a waste of time.

Thanks, Jim
More individuals like you need to speak out.

Consequence of Divorce
An accurate snapshot of America's anti-father social policy can be found in Dr. Baskerville's "Taken into Custody".

http://www.amazon.com/Taken-into-Custody-Fatherhood-Marriag e/dp/1581825943/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214250875 &sr=8-1

America has one of the highest divorce rates in the world of about 200 countries. That the government gives a woman, who initiate divorce 3:1 over men, the kids, eighteen years of income, and most of the property, even though the man is legally innocent.

America's unilateral (one person decides), no-fault (no-reason needed) is all risk for men and all reward for women.

I have work in black communities for the last two years, and they are mostly a matriarchy.

Like Gandhi said
The posts on this thread remind me of Gandhi's saying:

"I like your Christ. But, I don't really like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ".

I'd bet that almost 100% of the bigoted and racist posters on this thread are the "holier than thou Christian" types.

I stayed at a hotel over the weekend and talked to the receptionist as I checked out. She said she used to work at Cracker Barrell and the worst time to work was Sunday after church. Friday evenings were busier. But, the people were much more rude AFTER they left church.

Blacks from New Orleans
I live in Houston, TX and met a lot of blacks who came here from New Orleans. Every one I met got out before the hurricaine hit. They were all working, going to school or actively working to get their lives back together. One lady I met who had lost her job and house put it the best, after I had asked her about getting relief money from the government. Sure, she filed a claim, and could use the money, but she wasn't about to sit and wait for the government. The black men I met had pretty much the same attitude.

I realize that there are handicapped, elderly and some others who faced very real physical issues with regard to evacuation. They are the ones who need help.

Not that it matters, but I happen to be black. I only say that to point out that it is racist to focus on a bunch of losers as though they are somehow representative of me.


Bigots all
Nuff said

Posts
These are the saddest posts I've ever read. So much hatred being put into print. I'm guessing it makes some people feel better about themselves that they must write notes putting down people they don't know. Are these negative writers the real America? Is this the thought patterns of people living in 2008? These are the saddest posts I've ever read.

Will
NOWHERE in this article did Dr. Adams mention homosexuality. If you want to know why homosexuals are so "persecuted," look in the mirror. Your incessant need to bring it up as an issue in every column is beyond tiresome. You REALLY need help, dude.

No tedmug,
you give Munck way too much credit. Fact is, he is simply one of the dumbest posters to visit here (not to exclude MercMerc, of course).

will, this will not stand

Let me clarify something, willy: There is one race of people in this country (the human race) and two classes of people; the industrious and the lazy.

You, sir and/or madam, are the racist! Look in the mirror and be ashamed - be very ashamed... oh, yeah - you have to have values and intellect to feel shame when you're caught stuck-on-stupid!

An observation
You also see entire towns of people turn out in Iowa to sand bag levees and plug leaks. In NO the entire city sat on its arse and watched, then began to complain after they trashed their own refugee centers.

And This
And Whites will continue to work harder and more jobs to pay for all the free benefits and advantages of other races flooding into this country and then bellyaching about US oppression right after they get all their citizen papers, government checks, and voting rights.

These new hyphenated American victims will become huge voting blocs that will ensure socialist victories for the rest of our lives.

Whites will bear this burden with glee. Some may shake their fists at the sky and call into radio talk shows, but in the end they will always come through for the other communities.

This is the role of slaves and I suspect whites will do the job competently like they always do.

And wait until the Supreme Court takes their guns away from them this week.

bob the munch
propagandist. apologist. Marxist. atheist. humanist.racist. egotist. narcissist. etc.etc.

AudiR10
Always good comments. My thoughts regarding Adam's attempt to highlight the gender difference was simply that most black women are incapable or unwilling to haul a big screen tv down the street on their backs. Mostly a physical capability issue then a gender one. The color of one's skin is irrelevant. It is a culture thing as Dr. Sowell so brilliantly showed in one of his books. There are industrious people and lazy people. It is not at all difficult for a person of average intelligence to notice the differences in attitudes and behaviors between those who succeed and those who are dependent. The dependent ones will always take an easy opportunity to steal.

uber
"Common Sense is so rare these days

If it is common, how can it be rare."

I read something similar about the media once. It went something like "they call it (TV) a 'medium' because it's not rare, and it's not well-done."

Common Sense
"Common Sense is so rare these days"

If it is common, how can it be rare.

Icedog
"in fact, can you name even one topic that he hasn't related to homosexuality? "

I was being facetious. If we were discussing drilling in ANWR or the existence of ice on Mars, will could work gayness into it. It's a skill; give him that much!

RealCommonSense
Common Sense is so rare these days, it should be considered a Super Power.

Thank you.
"It would have been closer to the truth to say that was the reason they have injected the virus of government aid into minority communities."

Amen.

http://kateablog.blogspot.com/

Bob Munck
You wrote: "You also failed to mention that the people trapped in New Orleans were TRAPPED; they were surrounded by a large lake with bridges that they were prohibited to use by police with guns. In Iowa, they could just walk away from the river to find dry land and help."

This is a new one for me.

I lived in New Orleans for 20 years before moving north. I have many relatives there, some with flooded houses.

Could you tell us which bridges were blocked by police with guns?

For three days, the city begged people to leave. Contrary to some of the comments above, there was plenty of mass transportation available, with pick-up points at the projects.

AZPhil
I know you can't really be too surpised by will connecting floods with homosexuality....in fact, can you name even one topic that he hasn't related to homosexuality? I can't even imagine what his daily life must be like.

will
Please address specific posters with specific issues. Saying "these people are probably Christians"....and then going on to debate against a point you just created is retarded and a waste of time.

Lest we minimize Iowa's flooding
The normal water rate at Cedar Rapids is 1500 cfps. The record WAS 48,000 cfps. At the height of the current flooding, it was over 125,000 cfps. This is NOT cyclical flooding.

Re: Katrina
Mississippi was slammed by the storm itself much much worse than Louisiana. MS took the brunt of the ferocity of Katrina. NOLA suffered because of the water surge, and subsequent levee breaches.

Compare the behavior of IA, MS and NOLA:
With more than 3 days notice, the handout-seekers in NOLA sat. The doers in NOLA boarded up and left town.

In MS, they boarded up, battened down, and left. Then they took to rebuilding.

In IA, the doers (many, many) worked together to throw down sandbags many long hours. When they failed, the people left until they could return.

Work. Common sense. What a concept.

Just to clarify....
I'm sure there were some poor blacks in New Orleans who "did not have a car" - however, I'll assert that those posters here - who are using this as a mass excuse for tens of thousands of people - have never been to the projects of NO, or any other projects for that matter. I'm from Houston (been to NO several times) and I currently live right between DC and Baltimore, so I have seen many, many poor black neighborhoods. I can assure you, although the housing is often in extremely poor condition, you will see an abundance of some of the finest late model automobiles the US, Germany, and Japan have to offer.

With some small exceptions, "They were trapped" is ridiculous.

will
"(the same mindset that will willfully make homosexuals out to be "militant", both victims and victimizers, decadent, etc)."

I really didn't think anyone could segue from natural disasters to homosexuality, but you have managed it quite nicely. Good job!

men need respect, women need love
Dr Adams is correct, my Pastor gave a sermon a few weeks ago about what men and women need emotionally.

Men need respect and responsibility, women need love and understanding. When these are missing internal troubles and destructive behavior emerge.

Its all in Ephesians 5.

New Orleans
One thing about NO, the great Mayor neglected to use the school bus fleet to relocate people.

Munck #24/25 - Overt racism has nothing to do with the article, which discusses the truth about the absolute failure of the Great Society social programs.

Poor people are STILL responsible for themselves... they have feet... too fat to walk? then you sure aren't a "poor" person since you have more than enough to eat.

The problem is RESPONSIBILITY. Stop throwing the typical leftist racism bomb, I no longer listen to that crap.

Perry
They dont have to become entrepreneurs but in America that is an option for us if we chose to go that route.

I come from a single mother home where my mother worked 3 jobs so we could pay the bills. She taught me to work hard and take school seriously.

Right out of high school I busted my butt working, proving myself and getting promoted rather fast.

I was then given the opportunity through my hard work, to go to college and became the FIRST person in my family to EVER attend then graduate from College.

My point is the opportunity is there for anybody with the will and desire no matter what their background and circumstances.

and the difference is ...
A couple of peolpe have commented that the Iowans had transportation, so they should have gotten out of the way.

And your point is?

Natural disasters are not caused by government action or inaction. I think the primary issue here is how people respond when life happens to them.

Midwesterners tend to have a 'can-do' attitude because they generally come from a lineage of people who survived floods and tornados and rebuilt time after time. It is sometimes referred to as the "Midwestern Ethic." By the way, Iowans live on flood plains because it is incredibly fertile soil and provides the corn needed for ethanol and maybe a little food.

The residents of New Orleans who live in the cereal bowl weren't making much of a contribution. Check US Dept of Labor stats if you don't believe me.

Will gov't aid flow to Iowa? Sure. The governor asked for it, rather than complain about what wasn't being done. Same thing with the recent flooding in Indiana. Same thing happened in New Orleans as well; the difference is that the government mouthpieces there were busier covering their own rears than doing anything constructive.

Perry
"Midwestern farm areas are sparcely populated and are accustomed to cyclical flooding.

So there aren't as many people displaced in an Iowa flood, say, as a densely populated metropolitan area inundated by broken levies after a major hurricane.

Does that help clear things up for you?'

Not really, no. I see you live in MO. I used to be stationed at Scott AFB across the Mighty Miss from St Louis (right after the Great Flood of 1993, in fact). If you live in MO and consider St Louis to be sparsely populated, I wonder about you.

That still leaves other questions, like Why didn't the NO mayor evacuate people promptly? Why was Biloxi hit just about as hard (though with much less publicity) yet is recovering pretty well? When FL had FOUR major hurricanes in 2004, with Bush as President and Mike Brown in charge of FEMA, recovery efforts went smoothly. A year later, with those same two men in the same respective jobs, FEMA was suddenly "incompetent". Puzzling questions indeed...

Overt racism?
I was wondering how long it would take someoneone to post about "racism" here and BOB managed to do it in the first post. Congratulations!

It is impossible for me to believe that someone stole a TV (or any other item) because of oppression in this day and time. There maybe some overwhelming reason or reasons that someone would steal from others if the opportunity arrises but I think racism is the most unlikely reason. Other reasons come to mind like dishonesty or entitlement. Yes, I said it, entitlement.

The original pretense of this article is correct. Certain segments of our socity have grown to have a sense of entitlement from our government. That entitlement is brought about by our politicians to redeem past social injustice. Perhaps an entitlement mindset ensues. If so an unfortunate result is that some recepients do not have the same survival instincts that others do and that they expect others to always bail them out.

I am not a minority so I cannot presume to know what it's like but I do know the difference between right and wrong. Since most minorities (including black males) do not steal the stereotypical big screen TV I assume that they know the difference between right and wrong as well.

Perry White
You say that Midwestern areas are accustomed to cyclical flooding. Oh, and I suppose that on the Gulf Coast, hurricanes are practically unknown? As Hard Thought noted, Mayor Nagin could have used those school buses to evacuate a lot of residents. He just left them sitting in their enclosures - and THEY wound up being lost, too. Remember the story of that young black man who, rather than wait on paralyzed local officials, commandeered an unused school bus and drove a busful of N.O. residents out of harm's way to Houston? It was an example that people who have initiative will find a way - initiative that was totally lacking among the elected representatives of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana.

Your post still doesn't answer a fundamental question: even if the displaced in Iowa were far fewer than in New Orleans, why haven't those who WERE displaced in Iowa turned to looting like the displaced in New Orleans? And also, how do you defend the looting in New Orleans of stores carrying goods that were quite useless for survival purposes at the time of the flooding, such as jewelry and electronics merchandise that require functioning electrical power in a city which had none at that moment?

Of course, you can't, because you'd have to come face-to-face with the undeniable reason in the disparity between the behaviour of the residents of Iowa vs. those of New Orleans: the culture in which they were inculturated. And who gave New Orleans the kind of culture it had by the time of Katrina? It darn sure wasn't conservative Republicans.

Perry White
Population of Cedar Rapids is 120,000. Population of Linn County Iowa is 191,000. Iowa has lots of farmland. Not too much farming in Linn County anymore though. The same census, 2000, has New Orleans at 484K, or slightly more than twice as many people as Linn County Iowa. Not quite the major urban vs rural scenario as you seem to imply.

PW
Cedar Rapids is a large metropolitan area that is densely populated. Just doesn't have the name recognition of New Orleans.

Your argument is baseless.

Subject: America's caste system
Subject: America's caste system

There are two classes of people in this country:

The industrious and the lazy.

Each of theses classes can be broken into two sub-categories:

The industrious poor and the industrious rich; the lazy poor and the lazy rich (the lazy rich are liberals). The industrious rich want to see the industrious poor become rich; the lazy rich want the lazy poor to stay poor.

The industrious poor live in Iowa; the lazy poor live in New Orleans. That pretty much sums it up.

You're spot on, Professor Adams.

am i missing something
first, bush and mccain and obama have all been to iowa and federal money is pouring in and they will need billions.

so much for the argument that federal assistance is not needed in situtations like this.

as far as people getting out of new orleans, huh, the bus drivers either left or could not get to the busses.

if you have no money and no car how exactly do you get out.

people are in shelters in iowa, they had 2 days notice, why didn't they find somewhere to go.

JCDean1978 writes...
"I still believe in Kings Dream, but it seems a more distant reality today than it was when he spoke of it. Not because of so called "White" America but because of the Black Community and the Democrats socialist death grip on them."

PW: Exactly. If those inner city poor people had simply become entrepreneurs they wouldn't have become victims of the Democrats (excuse me, forgot where I was for a moment there, I mean the Dhimocraps).

If those death-grip Marxists dims would just have gotten out of the poor people's way they'd all be rich by now.

America's caste system

There are two classes of people in this country:

The the industrious and the lazy.

Each of theses classes can be broken into two sub-categories:

The industrious poor and the industrious rich; the lazy poor and the lazy rich (the lazy rich are liberals). The industrious rich want to see the industrious poor become rich; the lazy rich want the lazy poor to stay poor.

The industrious poor live in Iowa; the lazy poor live in New Orleans. That pretty much sums it up.

You're spot on, Professor Adams.

Munck
The people trapped in New Orleans were trapped by Mayor Nagin when he wouldn't use school buses to evacuate and insisted on Greyhound coaches. Other than that major omission, you still missed out on the failure of city, county and state government that contributed to the disaster in Katrina.

Missippi is recovering nicely from the hurricane. And Iowa will from this flood.

AZPhil...
Midwestern farm areas are sparcely populated and are accustomed to cyclical flooding.

So there aren't as many people displaced in an Iowa flood, say, as a densely populated metropolitan area inundated by broken levies after a major hurricane.

Does that help clear things up for you?


Floods and Hurricane's are racist
Its obvious if one will take the time to look at what a hurricane and flood did to New Orleans and black people compared to what it did to the whites in Iowa.
Floods are racist


Everyone else got out
Bob you make some pretty large assumptions. You yourself omit the fact that those people did in fact sit on their butts instead of trying to get out before the storm hit when they were warned. They could have bussed, biked, or even walked. However, most of those people DID in fact have a car and could have easily left but chose not to do so.

That they sat on their butts and waited for help instead of doing something themselves is the real big sticking issue... never mind that they chose to live in a flood prone area.

It is not racist to point out the obvious even if it is offensive. I find it very offensive personally that they sat around waiting for others to do for them what they could do for themselves. And there we have it, one of the pillars of liberal thought that has a death grip on their followers and the black community.

The Democrats are doing more damage to Black America than Jim Crow or Slavery ever did. And again, it is their own people "selling" them into this causing the damage.

I still believe in Kings Dream, but it seems a more distant reality today than it was when he spoke of it. Not because of so called "White" America but because of the Black Community and the Democrats socialist death grip on them.