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Wednesday, November 07, 2007
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
Responding to lies about America's "isolationist" past and "imperialist" present
by Michael Medved
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Those who claim that the United States has become a rapacious, arrogant, destructive, domineering and imperialistic power must somehow explain the continued independent existence of the nation of Canada.

Alongside our allegedly land-hungry and bellicose empire, the Maple Leaf Republic has flourished for more than two centuries --- vast, under-populated, resource rich and virtually defenseless. Unlike our Mexican neighbors to the south, the Canadians presented no substantial cultural or linguistic differences to sour the prospect of swallowing the Great White North. On three different occasions, Americans attempted or considered a push to absorb all or part of Canada: in the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, and during the complicated Venezuela Boundary Crisis with Great Britain in 1895. Nevertheless, the Yankee imperialists stopped well short of conquest and in the 21st Century era of unchallenged US hegemony, Canada has gone its own quirky way more notably than ever before, reveling in its separate destiny and distinctive institutions.

The history of U.S. respect for Canada’s continued sovereignty hardly comports with the prevailing anti-American clichés that suggest Americans long to impose on all the world the same “genocidal” approach we deployed against the Indians.

In one altogether typical fulmination, the British playwright Harold Pinter (author of joyless, often inscrutable dramas and screenplays of singular pomposity) used the occasion of his Nobel Prize for Literature to denounce the United States and all its works. In his “Pearl Harbor Day” Nobel Lecture of December 7, 2005, Pinter launched his own sneak attack on his American cousins. “The crimes of the United States,” he declared, “have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis. I put to you that the United States is without doubt the greatest show on the road. Brutal, indifferent, scornful and ruthless it may be but it is also very clever. As a salesman, it is out on its own and its most saleable commodity is self love.”

He goes on to denounce the United States for its “8,000 active and operational nuclear warheads… Who, I wonder, are they aiming at? Osama bin Laden? You? Me? Joe Dokes? China? Paris? Who knows? What we do know is that this infantile insanity – the possession and theoretical use of nuclear weapons – is at the heart of the present American political philosophy. We must remind ourselves that the United States is on a permanent military footing and shows no sign of relaxing it.”

Noam Chomsky, the only contemporary philosopher to receive ardent and explicit endorsement from both Hugo Chavez and Osama bin Laden, makes similar arguments about the monstrous and dangerous nature of the United States. In his 2006 book “Failed States” the prophet intones: “Washington’s aggressive militarism is not the only factor driving the race to ‘apocalypse soon,’ but is surely a significant one. The plans and policies fall within a much broader context, with roots going back to the Clinton years and beyond…. By now, the world’s hegemonic power accords itself the right to wage war at will, under a doctrine of ‘anticipatory self-defense’ with unstated bounds.”

In addition to outspoken America-bashers like Pinter and Chomsky, who accuse the United States of a long history of exploitative, arrogant militarism going back to the early treatment of Native Americans and the very origins of the nation, there’s another strain of anti-imperialist sentiment suggesting that our arrogant role in world affairs represents a recent and alien aberration imposed by some vile conspiracy of “globalists” or “neo-cons.” These impassioned critics of the current War on Terror (many of them clustered in and around the insurgent Presidential campaign of Congressman Ron Paul), conjure up images of a pacific, noble, non-interventionist past, when America had the good sense to avoid meddling in the business of other nations. Only recently, they argue, has the Republic involved itself in needless, dangerous and undeclared wars that sacrifice the true national interest for the sake of privileged but secretive economic elites.

Both brands of anti-Americanism misstate our history and require correction. No, the involvement in far-flung, often unpopular conflicts doesn’t represent a recent innovation but characterized every stage of our emergence as a world power. And the purpose of these numerous conflicts and interventions bore little connection to colonialism or conquest and most often displayed surprisingly and surpassingly unselfish intentions.

AMERICA’S ACTIVIST INVOLVEMENT IN WORLD AFFAIRS AND FOREIGN CONFLICTS IS NOTHING NEW.

The United States fought its first war against Islamic extremism more than 200 years ago, producing inspiring victories in exotic locales, the first line of the Marines Hymn (“….to the shores of Tripoli), our first great post-Revolutionary military hero (Stephen Decatur), and his immortal toast (“Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but right or wrong, our country!”).

The Barbary Wars also lasted four years (1801-05), with a brutal recurrence ten years after that, and helped to establish a long-standing U.S. tradition of small wars, or so-called “low intensity conflicts.” As Max Boot points out in his superb and eye-opening book “The Savage Wars of Peace,” 2002: “There is another, less celebrated tradition in U.S. military history – a tradition of fighting small wars. Between 1800 and 1934, U.S. Marines staged 180 landings abroad. The army and navy added a few small-scale engagements of their own. Some of these excursions resulted in heavy casualties; others involved almost no fighting ….Some were successful, others not. But most of these campaigns were fought by a relatively small number of professional soldiers pursuing limited objectives with limited means. These are the nonwars that Kipling called ‘the savage wars of peace.’”

Ignoring the long record of American involvement in such conflicts in every corner of the globe, those who question our current world-wide role express reverence for a simple-minded (and non existent) tradition of isolationism. They cite George Washington’s words in his celebrated Farewell Address of 1793: “The Great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign Nations, is in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible….’Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world.” Jefferson also warned against “entangling alliances,” at the same time he negotiated a vast expansion of U.S. territory with France, and pursued the daring and difficult Barbary Wars.

Even Pat Buchanan, the three time Presidential candidate most often identified as a contemporary advocate of “isolationism,” rejects the idea that the nation ever cowered behind its Atlantic and Pacific “water walls.” In his provocative and beautifully written book “A Republic, Not an Empire,” (1999), Buchanan argues: “The idea that America was ever an isolationist nation is a myth, a useful myth to be sure, but nonetheless a malevolent myth that approaches the status of a big lie…. What is derided today as isolationism was the foreign policy under which the Republic grew from thirteen states on the Atlantic into a continent-wide nation that dominated the hemisphere and whose power reached to Peking….To call the foreign policy that produced this result “isolationist” is absurd. Americans were willing to go to war with the greatest powers in Europe, but only for American interests. They had no wish to take sides in European wars in which America had no stake.”

Donald Kagan makes a similar case in “Dangerous Nation” (2006), insisting that many Americans remain misled or ill-informed about the true nature of our history: “This gap between Americans' self-perception and the perceptions of others has endured throughout the nation’s history. Americans have cherished an image of themselves as by nature inward-looking and aloof, only sporadically and spasmodically venturing forth into the world, usually in response to external attack or perceived threats. This self-image survives, despite four hundred years of steady expansion and an ever-deepening involvement in world affairs, and despite innumerable wars, interventions and prolonged occupations in foreign lands…. Even as the United States has risen to a position of global hegemony, expanding its reach and purview and involvement across the continent and then across the ocean, Americans still believe their nation’s natural tendencies are toward passivity, indifference and insularity.”

This misconception helped to produce one of the most common (and ignorant) indictments of the Iraq War, with angry critics of Bush policy emphatically insisting: “This is the first time in history we ever attacked any country that hadn’t attacked us first.” In fact, virtually all our major wars began without some clear-cut attack by the enemy on American soil: the French-and-Indian War, the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Spanish American War, World War I, Korea, Vietnam and the First Gulf War claimed a total of tens of thousands of American lives based on incidents or interests, but without any undeniable mass assault. In 230 years of history only the Civil War (where Lincoln cleverly lured Southern forces into the initial bombardment of federal property at Fort Sumter) and World War II (where Japan struck at precisely one of those outposts of empire in distant Hawaii that anti-imperialists often decry) commenced in response to enemy strikes.

While American traditions hardly fit the “isolationist” and quiescent stereotypes that many anti-interventionists revere, they also amount to a far cry from the colonialist and imperialist selfishness associated with the European powers. Even the most bloody and long-standing U.S. occupations (as in the Philippines at the turn of the twentieth century, or in Japan and Germany a half-century later) resulted in the voluntary departure of American forces. In some cases, the U.S. expansionism resulted in the incorporation of a territory as a full-recognized new state in the Union (as with Hawaii) while all observers recognize that the long twilight status for Puerto Rico will ultimately be resolved into either independence or statehood.

The nation’s lack of imperial designs revealed itself most clearly, perhaps, at the Versailles Conference following America’s triumphant (and very costly) involvement in World War I. Despite the fact that President Wilson clearly dominated the proceedings, the United States remained the only one of the victorious allied powers that sought no territorial or colonial enhancement at the proceedings.

In short, the categorization of the United States as a “dangerous nation” (in the 1817 phrase of America’s ambassador in London, John Quincy Adams) arose from ideological and cultural origins as much as the application of burgeoning power. Donald Kagan writes: “But aggressive territorial expansionism was not the only quality that made the young American republic dangerous in the eyes of others. Of equal if not sometimes greater concern was the danger posed by America’s revolutionary ideology, as well as by the way its liberal, commercial society seemed to swallow up those cultures with which it came into contact.”

This American ability to advance our interests through example and ideas deserves further exploration (next week), particularly in the context of the Cold War distortions so eagerly promulgated by today’s anti-Americans of the international left.

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Michael Medved's daily syndicated radio talk show reaches one of the largest national audiences every weekday between 3 and 6 PM, Eastern Time. Michael Medved is the author of eleven books, including the bestsellers What Really Happened to the Class of '65?, Hollywood vs. America, Right Turns and, most recently, The Ten Big Lies About America.
 
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So True...
America was never isolationist; we all know that. It's silly to claim otherwise -- who could forget the Nicaraguan conflict that Pierce was involved in? Remember the Maine? The huge push for world domination in 1898? The MEXICAN-AMERICAN WAR THAT WON US HALF THE COUNTRY? The continuing wars with the Native American nations that won us the other half? No, the United States of America has always been disrespectful of national sovereignty since its first invasion by the Europeans in the 1500's. If we hadn't stolen the land we stole and massacred the people we massacred, we wouldn't be anywhere near where we are today.

Glossed over Non-Incorporated Territory
Why did you gloss over the fact that the U.S. has held chronically indefinate "non-incorporated" territories (code-word for colonies) for over a century, while Congress has not acted to recognize the right of self-determination to the millions of United States Citizens that are not permitted to vote to elect their national government (in both the legislative and executive branches). Why is it fair or rational for the U.S. to preach democracy abroad, while it keeps colonies such as Guam, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands? Could you please explain why you DID say that Puerto Rico had a twilight status, without recognizing that Congressional action-and-inaction have amounted to conscious decisions that go against the spirit of the U.S. Constitution and the U.S. Declaration of Independence?

One blurb says it all.
Renny says "If we don't save people, no one else will".

And all this time I was thinking that the salvation of mankind was God's undertaking.

I must have missed that article in the US Constitution about "saving the world". Must be in the fine print.

Hey Renny, could you and your neocon friends do us a favor and "save the world" with your OWN blood and treasure for a change?


I guess you are afraid of this one too!
LOL

This is the clip where Dr Paul explains
I tried to post it from youtube but you guys are afraid of Youtube so I got it from another source.

http://tinyurl.com/26fdxl

Neocon Townhall.com disables Youtube
Neocon Townhall.com disables Youtube
I see how all the other links work except for youtube...Must be some glitch in the system right!!!???

El Toro Pooh Pooh!!!

What are you guys afraid of????


Answer: TRUTH :o))

Neocon Townhall.com disables Youtube
Neocon Townhall.com disables Youtube
I see how all the other links work except for youtube...Must be some glitch in the system right!!!???

El Toro Pooh Pooh!!!

What are you guys afraid of????


Answer: TRUTH :o))

Neocon Townhall.com disables Youtube
Neocon Townhall.com disables Youtube
I see how all the other links work except for youtube...Must be some glitch in the system right!!!???

El Toro Pooh Pooh!!!

What are you guys afraid of????


Answer: TRUTH :o))

It Appears T.H. has disabled Links!
Therefore it remains difficult to exercise the amount of free speech necessary to qualify my point.

Nine (9) Trillion Dollar National Debt!?
First of all, this thing about the Barbary coast pirates is actually a good example of how a Sultan in Morocco decided to pay back the white man of christianity by the revenge they would get because they...the Arabs were rounded up and kicked out of the Southern part of France and all of Spain and deported back to North Africa...i.e. the MOORS...were rounded up and deported back to north Africa and still even to this day Arabs have not forgotten that.

This most recent brand of Jihad based on Sharia law starts there where the Moors were kicked out of Europe and continues with the Arab resentment of European and American Domination of the middle east and goes on to where Dr Ron Paul explains in this link I am posting below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTUiZeUs9HU


*** Tell me this Medved....we are already 9 trillion dollars in debt and borrowing money from the Chinese!

How do you expect the United States of America to fight a war and pay for it when we are already 9 trillion dollars in debt. Let put politics aside and figure out what our bottom line is???????????? think about it!!!

To none... and others
"It is no wonder the American public is so pro-Israel."

Google 'gays killed palestine'. Google 'gays hanged Iran'. Google 'women's rights Syria'. Google 'freedom of religion Jordan'.

That will get you started.
The reason the American public is pro-Israeli is that they've clearly recognized that, as bad as are some things Israel has done, EVERY other party in the region is utterly against every principle America stands for... and FOR all the principles that we've strugged against.

So much incorrect...in so little time
Making a point, valid or not, is not helped by pretty gross historical inaccuracies. Michael needs to stick to reviewing movies and leave the historical reporting to those who actually study it.

Saying it is so, doesn't make it so. He's wrong on what attacks on the U.S. (or "Americans") caused, French and Indian War, Revolution, 1812, Mexican, Spanish-American, WWI and Korea.

An attack on America or Americans doesn't have to be a "mass assault" which Pearl Harbor and Ft. Sumpter don't fit.

You can do better than this Michael. The U.S. hasn't "always been" some Neo-con world interventionsit power. That's limited to post WWII
http://amfree.townhall.com

Lastly, More for "Israel First" Folks
The lobbyists are the first non-government civilians charged under the 1917 espionage statute with verbally receiving and transmitting national defense information.

Rosen and Weissman were indicted in 2005 on charges of conspiring to violate the Espionage Act by receiving national defense information and transmitting it to journalists and employees of the Israeli Embassy who were not entitled to receive it. The topics ranged from the activities of al-Qaeda to information about possible attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq, according to court documents.

Rosen, of Silver Spring, was AIPAC's director of foreign policy issues and was instrumental in making the committee a formidable political force. Weissman, of Bethesda, was a senior analyst. AIPAC fired them in 2005.

Among those ordered to testify are William Burns, the U.S. ambassador to Russia; Elliot Abrams, deputy national security adviser; and Kenneth Pollack, former director of Persian Gulf affairs for the National Security Council.

Staff writer Peter Baker and researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report.

So now all you evangelical "sheeples" can see for yourselves how AIPAC is NOT the US' friend!
Wake up, people!

Mary C.

Yet More for the "Israel First" Folks
"It's certainly been a long time, if ever, since a district court ordered the government to produce witnesses who currently occupy such sensitive national security positions to testify at trial in a matter of this sensitivity,'' said David Laufman, a Washington lawyer who previously handled national security cases in the U.S. attorney's office in Alexandria.

Legal experts said Ellis's ruling leaves the government with difficult choices and sets up a potential clash between the executive and judicial branches. Prosecutors might try to appeal, but it is unclear whether an appellate court would take the case, because the ruling came before the lobbyists' trial, scheduled for Jan. 14.

Prosecutors also might invoke some sort of privilege and refuse to allow the officials to testify on the grounds that it could reveal sensitive information about national security and U.S. foreign policy. That would likely lead to sanctions from the judge, which could include dismissals of the indictment.

The State Department referred questions to the Justice Department, which declined to comment. Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, said the administration is "aware of the order." He declined to comment further.

Attorneys for the two former lobbyists said they welcomed the ruling.

"For over two years, we have been explaining that our clients' conduct was lawful and completely consistent with how the U.S. government dealt with AIPAC and other foreign policy groups," the two lawyers, Abbe D. Lowell and John Nassikas, said in a joint statement. "We are gratified that the judge has agreed that the defense has the right to prove these points by calling the Secretary of State and all of these other government officials as our witnesses."




More for the "Israel First" Folks
Their testimony has been sought by attorneys for Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, former employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, who are accused of conspiring to obtain classified information and pass it to members of the media and the Israeli government.

Attorneys for Rosen and Weissman say Rice and the other officials could help clear them because they provided the former lobbyists with sensitive information similar to what they were charged for, according to Ellis's ruling and lawyers familiar with the case. Prosecutors have been trying to quash the subpoenas during secret hearings and in classified legal briefs, but Ellis wrote that the testimony could help "exculpate the defendants by negating the criminal states of mind the government must prove.''

Legal experts said it would be highly unusual for such a parade of senior officials to testify at a criminal trial. Although former president Ronald Reagan and former attorney general Edwin I. Meese III testified at a trial arising from the Iran-contra affair in the 1980s, judges usually decline to grant such subpoenas on the grounds that high-level officials are too busy or that the information can be obtained from other sources.

Cont.

An Article for the "Israel First" Folks
From Mary C. (who's not part of those folks!)

Rice, Others Told to Testify in AIPAC Case
By Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 3, 2007; Page A06

A federal judge yesterday issued a rare ruling that ordered Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and more than 10 other prominent current and former government officials to testify on behalf of two pro-Israel lobbyists accused of violating the Espionage Act at their upcoming criminal trial.

The opinion by U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III in Alexandria directed that subpoenas be issued to officials who include Rice, national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley, former high-level Department of Defense officials Paul D. Wolfowitz and Douglas J. Feith, and Richard L. Armitage, the former deputy secretary of state

Cont. (due to these TH size constraints)

Sun said

"It is in our interest and the interest of the free world to have a kernal of democracy and thereby the changes in ME-politics-as-usual that will eventually ripple from it."

I can't believe anyone still believes that. Right now your Iraqi "democracy" is a corrupt, traitorous government run by Shiites and an increasingly Sunni population (Saddam's own people) who are being paid off in your tax dollars to behave long enough for us to get out of there while claiming ourselves winners. Then we will probably see the mother of all civil wars, and conservatives will be blaming the democrats -- and believing it!!!

Akagi's Name
Akagi:

Is it a mere coincidence that the name you use on Townhall is the same as one of the Japanese Aircraft Carriers that attacked the United States at the Battle of Midway?

Zionist nonsense...
The whole, "Zionist" argument is really getting stale. This idea that Israel gets us to fight their wars for them is equally absurd.

Since its founding, Israel has taken on all challengers and thumped them soundly. During Operation Desert Storm they were chomping at the bit to attack Iraq in response the SCUD Missile strikes within Israel. Their attack fighter bombers were in the air. But we plead with them to refrain from attacking, which they did.

Those of you who think the US is nothing more than a tool that Isreal uses to dominate the middle east, will never be reached by anything I have to say.

What I have always found quite telling is that many who claim there was never a holocaust, will, when pressed, often confess that the world would be better off without Jews. In other words, "Hitler didnt kill them....but he probably should have." Jew hatred is a sickness.


Chuck
While you were in Europe you should have picked
up some newspapers too. See this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6286755.stm

Remember many Europeans love Americans but are
not big fans of America.

And it seems like you must have been asking many
posters on TH for their opinion b/c the answers
you received sound like many posts on TH.

BTW, how's Larry doing?)

Katy the Mean Old Lady

You are right, the U.S. did invade Canada.
Unfortunately, this makes Medved's piece dumber than I even thought.

Indycontandim

"Now some of your political brethren criminals are fighting in the US barrio "

Huh???

The last time I met a criminal, he was a major Republican and active member of my neighbor's church. He ultimately swindled them out of their entire retirement.

He's in prison now - they are renting out their home and managing a motel to survive. (They are in their 60s.)

Isolation
I have been in Europe and I have asked several people from other countries why the rest of the world hates America. Their response was that we hate ourselves. It is not the world who is isolating America it is your DEMOCRATS in CONGRESS. All they see and hear is our Media bashing our own country. They dont understand how a Country so great as ours has EX-PRES(DEMS) runnung around the world making Million dollar speeches on how they hate America. Ie, Carter, Clintoon and of course Al Gore. Even DINNIS the Menace Kuchinich. So dont believe everything that you read in this article. We are not hated around the World as much as we are hated by our OWN POLITICAL LEADERS.

Sophia
When are you going to post something else for I have seen this post before. I thought you LIBS where more edumacated than that.

SOPHIA
I do not understand your post.

Torture IS un-American. Some of us believe we should rise above that behavior. For my part, it's not just about damage to the victim, but also damage to the perpetrator. We are right to be questioning what we have on our hands.
That said, we do have a difficult enemy. Not like an honorable uniformed army who engages other soldiers on the battlefield, but one who's not above making the market square, the school, the hospital a battlefield. SOPHIA, if your neighborhood were 9-11ed, you might be the first one to complain about the givernment not protecting you.
I think the fact that we're working so hard to define torture is interesting, and speaks well of us. One of the worst fears of our detainees is that we will release them to some other country.



Ignorance is dangerous..
SteveL calls Canada a foreign country. Hilarious.

America would have a very tough time convincing Americans to go to war with Canada. Like as not they will all end up partying at some local club with the Canadians they are supposed to kill and snub their noses right back at the dangerous military industrial machine which America represents. The next great president of the United States will turn that dangerous virtually unstoppable snowball of military industrial momentum around. But it's unlikely to happen anytime soon because Carlsysle Group, Haliburton, Genreal Dynamics, IBM etc, not to mention organised crime interests, rule. Welcome to America, the country that created itself.

So...
If I read correctly, his points are:

1. Canada exists therefore America is not Imperialistic.
2. We've been expanding and generally shooting foreign folk for a while, so we're not isolationist.
3. Some of the survivors decided to join us instead of die, so they must have liked it.

Argument one is absurd in taking one example and spreading it as the general rule, when he immediately moves on to point 2 detailing multiple examples of imperialism.

The second part ignores that 'we' are not 'our government' and there has been a long standing mood that the world's petty conflicts are not our business and certainly not worth spending our money and son's lives on. There was a lot of opposition to entry into both WWI especially and WWII (not as much), and one of the presidents of that period, Wilson ran on a platform that he would keep the US out of the European war.

Each generation is different, but to ignore that typically Americans (far less than their government) have been very reluctant to get involved overseas is dishonest.

And it ignores the moral questions involved with imposing our will and values on others through force of arms.

All in all, not his best piece.

And...
When we LEAVE Iraq, it will be an Iraqi flag flying, not the Stars and Stripes, just as they're flying their own flags in France, Germany, Poland, and a host of other places that American soldiers have died to free.
I think the Maple Leaf is in no danger from us.
(I do wish the Mexican flag wasn't flying quite so high around here though).

This is bad history
First why is Canada the country we should gage our
country's foreign policy, especially in light of
our early history of invading it?

The results will be different depending on where
you look - if you look at Latin America the name
Yankee imperialist seems apropos.

Europe - the name liberator is apropos.

Asia more of a mixed record.

Africa almost none at all, excepting WWII.

So, Canada is a poor gage and many of the points
are inaccurate or questionable at best.

pssst: none
We're in Iraq for exactly the same reason we went after the Barbary Pirates. It IS in our interest. We're not there to free Iraqi's (although that's one of the nice outcomes, we wouldn't be there solely for that purpose).
It is in our interest and the interest of the free world to have a kernal of democracy and thereby the changes in ME-politics-as-usual that will eventually ripple from it.
It was simply the choice ground from which to engage the war we're in.

Smedley Butler said
War is a Racket:

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Medved seems to pass over the conflicts of 1800
to 1934 with a broad brush, but the most decorated
marine of the time claimed that the wars were
something different altogether, these "savage
wars of peace"

The whole book is available at the link above.

The fact is
That if liberals didn't exist people like Medved and Coulter would invent them, like they invent most of what they say.

Another case of liberal bashing for $$. It sells, folks!

I'm with Mountain Rose.
I am surprised to find out Pinter was alive in 2005, don't know about today.

A list of foreign wars
Here is 33 pages of American military interventions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military _history_events




Medved needs to go
Somebody, I think it was Matt Lewis, made the point that he doesnt read comments anymore because they have degraded to name calling.

My point is that the columnists themselves are initiating this. Medved is on a crusade to slander Ron Paul.

His article simutaneously makes the point that America isnt aggressive becuase of Canada, and that America has always been agressivly fighting wars around the world.

I guess he's trying to kill two strawmen with one stone, but it comes accross pretty contrived.

The Barbary wars were about pirates attacking our citizens on the high seas, but they are cited as the shining example of America attacking when we haven't been attacked first in order to demonstrate that America is not empire building.

Yea I know it doesn't make sense, but at least he got to call Ron Paul un-American.

Somebody mentioned William Buckley. We do need Buckley to wake up and remind people what it means to be a conservative.

Michael Medved calling me un-American. What a joke.

"Don't confuse us with facts!"
"We all know that the United States is a mean, terrible, imperialistic country - so don't confuse us with the facts!"

That's the argument of most liberal posters in a nutshell (which, to paraphrase Will Rogers, is where most liberal arguments come from).

I'm Shocked! Shocked!
Harold Pinter is still alive?

NAIVE EYES OF BABY MEDVED
And Kanada and Mehiko will be soon part of US - NAU!! - hence no fences; got that?
Read gov sites, if you still do not believe.

PRO-ISRAEL "POLLS"
It is no wonder the American public is so pro-Israel. Just look at the news media-no criticism of Israel is even tolerated. Moreover, just because someone is pro-Israel does not mean he or she is ready to go off to war at the drop of a hat. Once we see a draft, endless wars, a wrecked economy and neo-con Zionists in charge the American people will "connect the dots" and the Jews will scream "anti-semitism" and claim they were for peace all along.

To talisman
"Our arrogant leaders would much rather pick on brown people with oil sitting under their sandals from halfway around the world."

Their ideological opponents would much rather ignore the plight of foreign brown people unless shedding crocodile tears over them can be used for domestic political gain.
There's compassion for you.

Sure we did
Of course we invaded Canada -- every time we had a war with her master, England. When we stopped having wars with England, we stopped invading. Thus, our invasions can clearly be seen as supporting efforts in the wars with England, not as imperialist ventures set on annexing Canada.

Touj writes:
B. The US has never invaded Canada

Hate to break it to you, but we did.

Actually, the Irish did too. Google Sinn Fein invasion of Canada.
I love to pull that one out of the hat when my Canadian lib friends get snotty. Drives them NUTS!

Canucklehead
Thanks friend! You just saved me a lot of indignant typing.

Most of the people in the U.S. know zip all about Canada.
That is one kick-butt country you've got there!

One thing though, if the Quebec separatist every get theit way I think we could pick up Newfoundland pretty cheap.

WRH Bill
I think your exaggerations prove Medved's point. You Bush haters can't recognize any positives or accept any positives from any American or politician. Everything's bad and we're all going to hell in a handbasket and only Hi-liar-y and Green Gore can save us. Give me a break. You're keyboard might as well be Ouija for the Clinonistas you're so steeped in the pablum.

Touj.
Judging by the flight of Mexicans into this country today I suspect they would have preferred a complete takeover back in 1848. El Presidente Santa Anna, when not afforded with the thousands of regulars to threaten the thousands of front line peasants to charge got himself captured by General Sam Houston in his pajamas. You might be surprised to know those Texans fighting included Hispanics that didn't need to be threatened to fight.

Now some of your political brethren criminals are fighting in the US barrio streets and using liberal forums to preach Reconquista. I've never met an Hispanic American (that is really an American) that wants to turn our way of life into that of Mexico considering the corruption and poverty. And judging by the revolt over shamnesty we will put in a government that thinks the same way.

No choice
We have no choice but to cowtow to the purchasers of our debt. Our Pols have sold us out. No way to become isolationist now. When the dollar is equal to the peso, will we learn not to borrow money so we can give it away?

An emprie headed for collapse if we don't get over our big government ways.

Hey talisman
The Saudi's and Kuwaiti's have just as much or more oil and would have been much, much easier to take. And they're brown. What utter nonsense!

This is typical
Medved logic:

A. The US has lived alongside of Canada for 200 plus years

B. The US has never invaded Canada

C. Therefore, the US is in no way an aggressor or ever has been


By the way, I'm not sure Mexico has such a historic view of our pacifism.

Has anybody noticed
that the American body counts have stopped by the leftist MSM? Is it because they're dropping (surge success), is it politically motivated or have I just missed seeing them?

BUSH IMMIGRATION PLAN
BUSH SELL OUT!

Deceit and Betrayal: Bush's Plan to Destroy the U.S.

WATCH

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/deceit-and-betraya l-bushs-plan-to-destroy-the-us

Buckley: Bush Not A True Conservative

Do you think the GOP will get back to its conservative roots and get rid of NEOCONS?

(CBS) President Bush ran for office as a “compassionate conservative.” And he continues to nurture his conservative base — even issuing his first veto this week against embryonic stem cell research.

But lately his foreign policy has come under fire from some conservatives — including the father of modern conservatism, William F. Buckley.

Buckley finds himself parting ways with President Bush, whom he praises as a decisive leader but admonishes for having strayed from true conservative principles in his foreign policy.

In particular, Buckley views the three-and-a-half-year Iraq War as a failure.

“If you had a European prime minister who experienced what we’ve experienced it would be expected that he would retire or resign,” Buckley says.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/buckley-bush-not-a -true-conservative

Pinhead and Chompski
Are commiequeers and always have been, pure and simple. Chompit (you know what IT is, what Pinhead also has that's the size of a pin) is the buttboy for the Khmer Rouge--all you got to know.

As for talisman, he'd rather such up to Raghead Nazis who want to chop off our heads, stick our women in burkas and rape our boy children.

Can't figure how a commiequeer like talisman, or Pinhead or Chompski can be so in love with a Culture that executes yqueers and enslaves all their women. Maybe it's their desire to kill all Jews.

Shows you what they REALLY believe in, and it AIN'T Liberty!

Me, I think King was right and a threat to Liberty ANYWHERE is a threat to MY Liberty ANYWHERE. My Liberties are not safe while the Sandnazi Culture Exists.

I'm all in favor of the Death of Tyrants and Prototyrants and their useful idiots, be they Commiequeer, Mullah, Shiek, Commisar or Dumbolcrap. If you want to call that Love of Liberty and the obvious need to extend it world wide the Imperialism of Liberty so be it.

As for the Paulists--Isolationism hasn't been a viable foreign policy since Lindbergh landed in Paris. Time to grow up and ditch the flat earth policy children.

the big mick

Either/or?
Michael Medved, who I used to respect more than I do now, has a bad habit of casting issues in very binary, either-or terms. EITHER Pres. Bush is a monster of depravity, OR he must be a great leader deserving our worshipful adoration. EITHER we're all about to be dragged away to concentration camps, OR if that's not happening, everything's just fine as to civil liberties in America. EITHER religious conservatives are crazed theocrats eager to burn people at the stake, OR they must be perfectly reasonable and nobody can possibly object to anything they say or do.

Now with this column, here we go again. EITHER America is an evil imperialist nation that has never done any good in the world, OR our inteventionist foreign policy is working just fine and anyone who disagrees (like Ron Paul) must be an insane crackpot.
I think America is basically well-intentioned in dealing with the world and that we *have* done a lot of good (though usually along with promotiing our own safety and interests as well-- and that's as it should be). And it's true we have been sometimes interventionist and sometimes more "isolationist". But right now I think it's time to move back in the direction of more no-interventionism and realize we don't have the power to solve every problem in the world-- OR to pre-emptively eliminate every conceivable threat to ourselves.

Medved's hollow equivocating
Our arrogant leaders would much rather pick on brown people with oil sitting under their sandals from halfway around the world.

RockyJones writes:
try reading some history
...we tried early on to take Canada...what a stupid op ed

Robert

One: Take your own advice.

Two: What a typically stupid post by

Robert

Medved leads the charge....
Michael:

For a smart guy, you really are pretty dumb. No practical skills is my guess. Let's see - today's news:

- Dollar sinks to new historic lows
- China may shift dollars to euros
- Oil pushing $100 a barrel
- Gold pushing new highs
- US borrows another 2 to 3 billion a day from China to maintain the empire
- Stock market in near panic

Sure nice to know there is a historic precedent for us attacking and occupying Iraq. Guys like you will be waving the flag as the ship goes down. Second thought - guys like you will be the ones who sink the ship and then head off to your off-shore vacation homes to spend your blood money. You need a tour of duty far away from the comforts of home.

southernskies
southernskies wrote November, 07, 2007 10:14 AM
> The Pro-Israeli Crowd are Imperalistic


The so called "Pro-Israeli Crowd" is a vast majority of American people:
____
Gallup Polls on American Sympathy Toward Israel and the Arabs/Palestinians

Gallup Poll results of the most consistently asked question regarding American public attitudes toward the Middle East: "In the Middle East situation, are your sympathies more with Israel or with the Arab nations?"


Israel|Arabs
year - %|%

1967 38 3
1967 56 4
1969 50 5
....
2000 43 13*
2000 41 12*
2000 41 11*
2001 51 16*
2001 41 13*
2001 55 7*
2001 51 14*
2002 55 14*
2002 43 14*
2002 50 15*
2002 47 13*
2002 49 15*
2002 49 14*
2002 47 14*
2003 58 13*
2003 46 16*
2004 55 18*
2005 52 18*
_________

Middle East Sympathie. Feb. 6-9 2006. The Gallup Organization, Princeton, NJ

by Religious Preference
Israel % / Arabs %

White Protestants
63 / 14

White Catholics
64 / 13

White other religions
Israel % / Arabs %

66 / 10

White no religion
Israel % / Arabs %

45 / 19

__

by Party Affiliation
(2002-2006 Aggregate)
Israel % / Arabs %

Republicans
72 / 11

Democrats
47 / 20

Independents
49 / 16

____

by Ideology
(2002-2006 Aggregate)
Israel % / Arabs %

Conservatives
67 / 11

Liberals
43 / 25

Moderate
52 / 16
___

by Race
(2002-2006 Aggregate)
Israel % / Arabs %

Whites
58 / 14

Blacks
40 / 24
___
See also in more details:
http://conservativevalley.townhall.com/g/74197c10-bfa5-4540 -8931-e1e9c969cc7e

More tripe from Medved
While American traditions hardly fit the “isolationist” and quiescent stereotypes that many anti-interventionists revere, they also amount to a far cry from the colonialist and imperialist selfishness associated with the European powers.

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Colonialism
Not much different than neo-colonialism

neo-colonialism
The control of the economic and political systems of one state by a more powerful state, usually the control of a developing country (LEDC) by a developed one (MEDC).

The means of control are usually economic, including trade agreements, investment, and the operations of transnational corporations, who are often seen as the primary instruments of neo-colonialism. It is also argued that the imposition of Western business methods on a developing country creates a new, alien, class structure which divides societies

the worst
I try and read your articles to see your point of view and am so disgusted that I haven't been able to finish one in quite sometime. Seriously Mike, you make me ashamed that we once shared the same support for the president. Reading your articles just makes me wonder if you are on the payroll or really believe the garbage you throw out there. Please tell me that you aren't really this much of a warmongering statist.

Sweeten the pot
The US gets the western provinces of Alberta, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan as well as the Yukon and Northwest Territories.

Canada gets all of New England.


for google-ls
google-ls writes: "What benefits would the US have in absorbing Canada? Not many that I can deduce."

How about the oil fields and tar sands of the province of Alberta? There is so much petroleum there that the U.S. could become independent of Middle East oil.

In fact, after 9-11, I had posted to a couple of Internet forums that the U.S. should consider annexing Alberta. And also demand a land corridor linking Washington State with Alaska. So that our cars and trucks can drive from Washington State to Alaska without having to pass through a foreign country.

In exchange, I suggested handing Vermont over to Canada. Vermont is so left-wing that they would probably be happier as Canadians anyway.

Smedley Butler answer to Medved
Medved is right about our alleged isolationist past being largely based on mythology. But Phylo is also correct about Medved's selective use of facts. Of course we have engaged in forms of imperialism, some of them unsavory, and we have done so for a long time. I would love to see Medved grapple honestly with the following statement by retired Marine Corp Major General Smedley Butler, published in 1935:

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street."

Butler continued in this vein, mentioning about other campaigns in which he participated. It should remember that he was a highly decorated veteran who "blew the whistle" in 1933, when a group of industrialists attempted to use him as a front man in a coup against FDR. We can thank him for saving us from fascism 70 years ago. I wonder who will rise to that challenge today.

All politics cross trails at
Where the TRUTH intersects.
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Akagi writes: 4:44 PM
Wo tian
"What we doing with over 700 Military Bases all across the world in over 130 different countries anyway?
Protecting the interests of merchants, that why."


Oh no TS:

I actually agree with what you said. Of course I'd say to project power into this or that region, but it amounts to the same thing.

--------------

Our government has become the Partners of Businessmen.
Its also why we have no such thing as REAL Free Trade here in America any longer.

The Corporations have sponsored politicians to enact law to destroy free enterprise with the cost and regulations to compete.

And we all are seen as nothing more than consumers by the thoughts of corporate mentality.
Hardly the free and independent citizens this Nation is built on.

lies
there is something funny about the use of "lies" in the headline for this article. I don't know if Medved is responsible for that, probably not since editors tend to write the headlines. But conservatives are often complaining about the idea that Bush's misleading comments ammount to lies arguing that such a claim should not be tossed around lightly.

But here the word is used without anybody actually being cited who has lied. Talk about throwing the claim around lightly.

Wo tian
"What we doing with over 700 Military Bases all across the world in over 130 different countries anyway?
Protecting the interests of merchants, that why."


Oh no TS:

I actually agree with what you said. Of course I'd say to project power into this or that region, but it amounts to the same thing.


Idiot Wars
God save us from good wars! When the Iraq war went a war of vengence (which I heartily approved) to nation building, our efforts there were doomed. The US has not the stomach to fight a real war. It is certainly better though than WWI where the man who may be our worst president, sent tens of thousands of Americans to death in a war we had no business being in and served as nothing but an ego trip for Wilson.

USA
knight_of_baawa:

During the Reagan Administration, someone in the administration felt that the PRC would accept any conditions as long as the PRC could fly their flag over Taiwan. The US offered to mediate between the two--Taiwan rightfully told the US to mind it's own business.

Some South Koreans do object to the US presence as they see the US as the main obstacle to a formal peace between the two sides.

The US has pushed to reduce troop levels in the ROK and pull back far from the 38th--the fear is that such a pull back might singal to the DPRK the US is going to attack--the DPRK is paranoid and pulling back out of gun range from the north might give the north the idea the US is planning an attack by removing its troops out of harms way before the first attack is launched.

knight_of_baawa
Actually I think that christian "rights" have been trampled on but not anything new. You have to keep in mind I am a Deist who thinks religions for the most part are man made superstitions to keep the rabble in line and ignorant. But the Constitution states that CONGRESS shall make no law. I do not see this to mean state legislatures. Grant it there may be a fourteenth amendment argument here, but that aside, I think you could make a pretty good argument on the first amendment alone that individual states are allowed to establish theocracies depending on their state constitutions. Obviously I would like to be as far away as those hypothetical theocracies as possible but I think an argument could be made that they are constitutional.

Compare it to the world view
sonofsam writes: 4:01 PM
Why not ask the whole world?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6286755.stm
View of US's global role 'worse'
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After WWII.

Our problem is the voice of enemies of the US are many, and are true enemies of the Nation, both with-in and with out.
So all legitimate criticism is tossed out too.
What we doing with over 700 Military Bases all across the world in over 130 different countries anyway?
Protecting the interests of merchants, that why.
Mixed in with some honorable intentions.

A rosary of both good and evil.
Rosary used in its Victorian origins, a rose garden.

Immigration and Japan
Should the US leave Japan, from a Japanese perspective, yes. The US has never been there to protect Japan even during the Cold War but to project it's own interests into the region.

Since Okinawa bears the brunt of the US presence, Japan doesn't mind it all that much though.

And I don't complain about US immigration law, when have I? I have complained about the racist immigration polices of the past and those that seem to have a desire to return to them, but I have no problem with the current immigration system outside of the fact it (The US) seems unwilling to stop illegal immigration by cracking down on both illegal entry and the Americans that hire them.


Absolute Power
Is the name of BBC series made c. 2004 starring Stephen Fry.

To describe it as hilarious would be an understatement. Fry is the principal in a PR company that is called in by the US Embassy in the UK to improve the image of the US after a Brit politician manages to effect a boycott of US goods (starting with McDonalds.)

My favorite scene is in the Embassy. After ludicrously over-the-top security procedures, an attractive black woman greets them. Fry says "Just goes to show the danger of stereotypes. I was expecting an overweight redneck." The Ambassador then walks in, conforming of course to the stereotype. He expresses mystification that ANYONE could not like the US.

Believe me when I say he is living in a dream world.

knight_of_baawa writes:
It did make the news, lumberjack
You just were paying attention to Faux Snewz, which creatively invents the news and looks to the Onion as a source.

And why are there demonstrations in SK for US troops to leave?

When? Most of my news comes from newspapers, not TV, and I did not see it in them, or are you privy to highly classified reports received by your fillings?

Yes, there are demonstrations, but when we attempt to leave the SK government reuests us to stay

Why not ask the whole world?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6286755.stm
View of US's global role 'worse'

The view of the US's role in the world has deteriorated both internationally and domestically, a BBC poll suggests.

The World Service survey, conducted in 25 nations including the US, found that three in four respondents disapproved of how Washington had dealt with Iraq.

The majority of the 26,381 respondents also disapproved of the way five other foreign policy areas had been handled.

The poll, released ahead of President Bush's State of the Union speech, was conducted between November and January.

The number of those who said the US was a positive influence in the world fell in 18 nations polled in previous years.

In those countries, 29% of people said the US had a positive influence, down from 36% last year and 40% two years ago.

Across the 25 countries polled, 49% of respondents said the US played a mainly negative role in the world.

knight_of_baawa writes:
hagar
We haven't really left the Philippines, and the South Korean government doesn't get pissed when we try to leave, since we've never tried! What we've done is interfered in the peace process there. Did you know that North and South Korea were going to sign a peace treaty this year? The US told South Korea to kill it.

Then explain every time we try to remove the 37,000 troops we have in SK, the government there protests. BTW, why did you assertion about a peace treaty NOT make the news?

Go to Clark AFB or NRF Subic Bay, and see what you find there.

knight_of_baawa writes:
hagar
A lot of South Koreans, Japanese, Philipinos, and others have asked us to leave.

And we have left the Philippines. We have attempted to leave South Korea, and the government there gets really p!ssed when we try. it seems they think if we leave, we will leave them at the mercy of the DPRK. We have massively cut back our presence in Japan.

hagar
That’s not the point. To just point out the good is as bad as just pointing out the bad. Akagi is just giving example of imperialism. They are true, just as the fact that much of our altruism served a strategic propose as well. Yes, we had the Marshal plan; and yes, we used it to help stem the spread of communism. There is nothing wrong with that. Your earlier post makes a good point. When I say this is the greatest country, it’s not out of jingoism. It’s based on the simple fact there is no better place.

Akagi US is still in Japan
Should we leave? Before WWII many in Japan might as well have been slaves to land owners. Constitution established by McArther did that hurt Japan? Did the US continue to punish Japan? Who is Japan's largets trading partner.
What other country ever had a Marshall plan? I've been to Japan very nice country but very crowded, very expensive. Japanese still not very open to us barbarians.

Akagi writes:
A few things
The US is in other countries more so to protect it's interests and not the host country's and it is not exactly as if you were asked to come in in many cases. The US invaded the Philippines, fought a savage, nasty war against the Filipinos and even after given independence in 1946 kept bases there until finally after almost 100 years, the Filipino Senate refused to ratify the new base agreement.

And for saying the rest of the world wants to come to the US, well, the undeveloped world does for sure, but they also want to go to Canada and Australia which take more immigrants on a per capita basis than does the US.

People in Sweden aren't exactly breaking down the door to come to the US. And since most countries have more restrictive immigration laws than do the US, the only way you could base this in fact if all countries had open borders and anyone on the planet could live where they wanted to no matter their citizenship. Then you could see which country attracted the most. For all you know, everyone wants to Japan, but it's immigration policies make large scale immigration impossible at this point.

A few things in reply.

1) The U.S. has attepmted to leave many of those host countries, with the result that the host country whines and cries about the negative economic impact on the local area. he bases remain open.
2) When the U.S. closed Clark AFB and NRF Subic Bay, the Filipinos who screamed the loudest for the closure were precisely the same people who whined about the closures' effects on the economy.
3) It's a little ironic your saying other nations have more restrictive immigration laws than the U.S., but b!tch and moan about how mean conservatives are when we want the laws enforced.
4) Been to Sweden, would not go back. It's too damned expensive to live there.

A few things
The US is in other countries more so to protect it's interests and not the host country's and it is not exactly as if you were asked to come in in many cases. The US invaded the Philippines, fought a savage, nasty war against the Filipinos and even after given independence in 1946 kept bases there until finally after almost 100 years, the Filipino Senate refused to ratify the new base agreement.

And for saying the rest of the world wants to come to the US, well, the undeveloped world does for sure, but they also want to go to Canada and Australia which take more immigrants on a per capita basis than does the US.

People in Sweden aren't exactly breaking down the door to come to the US. And since most countries have more restrictive immigration laws than do the US, the only way you could base this in fact if all countries had open borders and anyone on the planet could live where they wanted to no matter their citizenship. Then you could see which country attracted the most. For all you know, everyone wants to Japan, but it's immigration policies make large scale immigration impossible at this point.


Medved begins with
"Those who claim that the United States has become a rapacious, arrogant, destructive, domineering and imperialistic power must somehow explain the continued independent existence of the nation of Canada."
----------------------

The problem is the same one throughout the history of mankind.
Evil is present in the place of Righteousness.

Any group of men can come together with the purest of intent, to pursue good, and it can become bad.

Its in the very Laws of Nature itself, the world we are born into.

Evil is present even in the place of righteousness.

The Founders recognized the battle of good verses evil, and with prayer they sought to find the words to govern a nation filled with the bias of mankind, we each have them.

They gave us a Spirit of Unity with the words they themselves had PRAYED for.
In Righteousness the Foundations of America were then Established.

Proverbs
5:14
I was almost in all evil in the midst of the congregation and assembly.

Since the Nation was established, evil has entered to break apart the Unity of Spirit the Founders gave America.

This Unity is no longer even respected or spoke of in the present day America.

The Founders did NOT Unite the States under the spirit of the LOVE OF MONEY, as the present day US Government is all about.

If there is money to be made, there is the interest of the American Government of today.

A slow rot has taken its place in our government of today, like the food left out to the elements.
Like this:
microorganisms too small to be seen without a microscope that cause food to deteriorate and develop unpleasant odors, tastes, and textures.

A slow creeping of merchants love of money has infiltrated our government to the extent the stench of the Federal Government makes for pungent odor and disgusts all the people.

Hey all you nay sayers
Ok the US is a big nasty bully! We tell the rest of the world what they should do. Na na BS. Tell me one country thats better. When we do put troop in another country we dont stay there unless asked. We've saved more peoples butts than the rest of the world combined. Why does the rest of the world want to come here? Re being the world police we are stuck with it because the rest of the world expects us to deal with it. Why is the EU so pacifistic? Because they figure let the US protect them. People if we are really r=that bad then go someplace else. Maybe Cuba I hear the weather is nice there that makes it easier for you to delude yourself.

US Empire
The US was also pretty much into Empire building under the Republicans too. The Spanish-American War, the Filipino-American War, the secession of Panama with aid of US gunboats, the Great White Fleet were all done under Republican regimes.

And on another note to None:

When you say China fell back, it was taken over in the north by northern barbarians who sacked its capital city, killing and raping as they did. The emperor himself made a captive for the rest of his life. A hundred and fifty years after the end of the Northern Song, all of China came under foreign rule. Then in 1644, again, rule by a foreign people as as the Qing dynasty collasped--China was basically carved up by foreign powers via the unequal treaties. This would continue in the Nationalist period as China was invaded by Japan. "Fell back is a little of an understatement."


Hey all you nay sayers
Ok the US is a big nasty bully! We tell the rest of the world what they should do. Na na BS. Tell me one country thats better. When we do put troop in another country we dont stay there unless asked. We've saved more peoples butts than the rest of the world combined. Why does the rest of the world want to come here? Re being the world police we are stuck with it because the rest of the world expects us to deal with it. Why is the EU so pacifistic? Because they figure let the US protect them. People if we are really r=that bad then go someplace else. Maybe Cuba I hear the weather is nice there that makes it easier for you to delude yourself.

If Medved is making excuses...
...for the way the United States is acting today, then it's just more of the same.

I understand that a lot of Americans don't have a good grasp of our history. But saying "We've always done things this way, to some degree, therefore we're right to keep doing things this way!" is not a good excuse to keep meddling in foreign affairs like we have been.

I'm not calling our country names, such as imperialistic. And I'm not a believer in being an "isolationist". I believe we should trade with other nations and talk with them, and have friendly relations with those nations that want to have friendly relations with us.

If there's an evident threat to our country or people of our nation outside our country then we should do what's necessary to protect them from evil.

But we need to stop trying to be the world's police force.

I may be wrong, but the feel I get from this article is that Medved is justifying our foreign involvement and having troops all over the world and bases in countries that are allies and don't need our protection.

Medved is slick. He's good at coming across as trying to educate people with historical fact while criticizing anyone that disagrees with him.

What a laughable "history" lesson
There you go again Mr. Medved. To think I used to take you seriously.

The American Empire has grown steadily ever since the Mexican-American War (initiated by Democrats), but really took off after the embrace of the Wilsonian doctrine (more Democrats). Today everone's acting like Democrats - Republicans included. The former leftists that hijacked the party have made a mockery of everything it once stood for.

These days we need not bother invading other countries (for the most part), so long as we can exert enough control over them through threats and bribes. It is a sad state of affairs today, and no wonder that we are so hated. We are reaping what those like Mr. Medved have sown.

In response to phileo
"If we WANTED Canada, we could have it without firing a shot." This is the excact ignorance that makes people in other countries dislike Americans. Here is a little history for you...we lit your whitehouse up like a candle on the last attempt to annex Canada, we were the first to storm Normandy and saved thousands of your soldiers, a Canadian made the longest recorded sniper shot in history, Canada has more guns per capita than any country in the world, and yes we are ranked as having the most oil reserves in the world.
I am a conservative in Canada and hate to see what the libs are doing to your country, but people like you make it hard to feel sorry for your political state.



Not Our Business to Free the World
The United States was not set up as a missionary society with a mission to free the world. The ends do not justify the means. The Spanish American War, etc. were inexcusable. We did not fight Brazil, but they freed their slaves.
Read the Constitution, it is not our job to carpet bomb cities in order to "free" people. Hitler got himself into a jam with us because he declared war after Pearl Harbor.

Isolationism
An interventionist foreign policy isolates us more than non-interventionism. Ron Paul is right-Medved is wrong.
We fought the Barbary pirates to protect our interests, not those of a foreign power. Everybody agrees that if someone invades the Potomac River there is no time to declare war.
The problem is that we have become so entangled with other countrys' interests that we have become like the late great Roman Empire.
As for a great power that has an "isolationist" past-look at China-they did ok without invading other countries, albeit the Chinese fell behind at one time

Totally agree
Yes, MikeR:

You are 100% right. Both paint history to suit their own agenda--right and left.

And the US has advanced. In February 1942, people were rounded up and thrown into prison camps based only on their national origin. In the months after 9/11 people of the Muslim faith weren't ordered into camps. While Japanese-Americans were attacked in the days and weeks after 12/7/1941 and even the Yashino Cherries given to the US as a gift by Japan in 1912 weren't safe as a number were cut down by vandals after the attacks. Few such incidents happened to Muslims after 9/11, despite what CAIR says, the few incidents were very rare--a sign of a less infantile nation.

Although there are those--some of which TH has columnists--that have no problem with what happened in 1942 and wouldn't mind--if you believe what they claim--to have people placed in camps today.

Countries advance, not all people of those countries do as well though.


Mirefox
At least you can ski on snow, although I wouldn't mind running over Draft Dodging Hippies with long boards attached to my feet and sticks sharp sticks in them at the same time ;)!

Mirefox
At least you can ski on snow, although I wouldn't mind running over Draft Dodging Hippies with long boards attached to my feet and sticks sharp sticks in them at the same time ;)!

religouslib...
What color is the sky in your world?

Chomsky destroyed Medved? Only someone completely out of touch with reality could have gotten that impression.

Nobody needs to twist Chomsky's words. His anti American rants are legendary.

Akagi
I’m saying on the balance. Primitive people do primitive things. As society matures what was once common and acceptable becomes abhorrent. What I don’t like when either side hijacks half the story and claims it as the truth. Medved has been taking the worst aspects of our past and minimizing them. Some folks focus on the bad and claim that’s the real story of America. Both are wrong.

countries not companies
countries not companies

Independent Thinker
Gives was used because of the rather overwhelming percentage. Of course we buy it, do I really need to spell that out?

What do multinational oil companies care about other imports/exports? If Canada started selling to the Chinese and raised their royalties on oil much higher what do you think our response would be? What has been our response to other companies that went down that road. That is my point.

China in Malaya
China never conquered Malaya, but Chinese did immigrate to there and dominate the economic life of the area just as they did in Indonesia and to some extent Thailand.

A better example would be the Han expansion into Xinjiang or Xizang (Tibet) or the incoporation of the northern Yue into China (and the various attempts of doing the same to the southern Yue). China outside its own immediate area wasn't very imperalistic (except during the time when it was controlled by the non-Chinese Mongols during the Yuan Dynasty). It did gain tributory states like Korea and Indochina (which were lost to the French in 1860 and Japanese in 1895).

You could also look at Han expansion from the north China plain way before Chinese unification in 221 b.c. as well.






???
Canada "gives" us their exports? Mmm, I was under the impression that we bought exports.
Oh, well, silly me.
BTW, it would make a whole lot more sense if your lame reasoning suggested that the no need for us to strong arm them was because they import the vast majority of OUR exports.

But if they keep this up...
This is the crux of the matter. It is what got Chavez a few years back and Iran in the 50s. If Canada keeps this up who knows what we will do.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/61ad741c-8584-11dc-8170-0000779fd 2ac.html?nclick_check=1

phileo
You went too far though, there is more oil in Saudi Arabia, let alone the Middle East than Canada.

That is right
Canada is the largest oil exporter, so scratch that one line in my last statement and the rest is true. Canada gives us 99% of their exports so there is no need strong arm them.

Excellent, Mr. Medved...
A wonderful analysis backed by historical facts. Unfortunately the usual libs are not going to let history or facts interfere with what they want to believe, kind of like the angry teenager who always claims his parents are wrong (that is until he finally grows up and realizes they were right). Nor will they let a little thing like the dictionary prevent them from redefining terms like ‘imperialism’ and ‘patriotism’ to suit their propaganda. I suspect we’re going to be hearing more and more about ‘American imperialism,’ since the Left loves nothing more than to promote lies about their country.

US history
MikeR:

You should be ashamed of some of your country's past just as you should be proud of some of its past as well.

Are you not ashamed of Executive Order 9066 (which some TH columnist who actually defends), slavery, Jim Crowe, genocide, as well as a host of other issues? Are you saying you are ashamed of nothing or simply saying on balance, the US has done more good than harm?


Canada
If I am not mistaken, Canada is one of the top exporters of oil to the United States. In fact, I think Canada is the #1 oil exporter to the US--more than Saudia Arabia or Mexico (#2 and #3 on the list).

Oh and it also has much better beer.

medved is losing it
either his mind or his audience

he keeps putting out these essay that are poorly documented and make obscure points that are irrational and illogical.

i heard him interview chomsky a couple months ago and chomsky absolutely destoyed him.

he kept telling chomsky what chomsky supposedly believed and chomsky would prove him wrong in every case

i have never heard medved so flustered and so uninformed.

wrong
We are a rapacious, arrogant, destructive, domineering and imperialistic power to some extent. We have been ever since we became strong enough to reach for what we want. That is the way all governments operate since the beginning of civilization. I am not ashamed of my country or its past. Therefore, accurate depictions of its history and nature do not bother me. We have done bad things and we have done good things, but all we have done mostly is to look out for our own interests. Yet throughout it all, we have tried to be as benevolent as profits would allow.

Medved has been on the greatest whitewash campaign I’ve seen in a while. All that is the result of shallow feelings and weak faith. My love for this country can take being knocked around. I can take the good with the bad and still claim honestly that this is a great and good establishment.

As for Canada, we did go for it twice and lost. After that, England became our best friend in the world so no matter what our imperialistic desires, we hold them in check because it better serves our national interest to keep our hands off of Canada.

Hey, GOOGLEEOH, check your facts...
If it were JUST about oil, there's more of it in Canada than in the Middle East.

odd
This is a curious argument since it is generally not clear what real views are being rebutted here. When we think of Imperialism it is usually a case of a nation that considers itself more advanced taking over a backward country out of some cultural right. We felt free to take over Indian lands because they were Indians. The chinese felt free to take over Malay territory because they were malay. The British in India and China same thing. Annexing Canada would hardly be an equivalent kind of undertaking.

We fought the barbary pirates because they engaged in piracy. So in that sense the war could be thought of as a precursor to Afghanistan. But it certainly bears no relation to Iraq or preemptive war, or for that matter a clash of cultures.

Through most of the column the point seems to be that the things that people point to as imperialist, like building a giant embassy in the heart of Baghdad in advance of a government that could legitimize our presence there, is similar to our behaviors in the past. But at the end, to prove we are not imperialist, Medved notes that we have tended to pull out, where we did not incorporate a holding into a state. So it turns out the people who are afraid we are becoming more imperialist are not necessarily wrong after all.

Is there a coherent argument here, beyond selectively assigning facts where they will help his argument and then ignoring them when they undercut it?

Insane Liberals...
Like all insane liberals, Pinter doesn't realize what the world would look like without the U.S. He, for one, would not be free to be insane. He'd be in a German prison, or would have been executed long ago. In addition to his prescious UK, the rest of Europe, if not the rest of the world, would be under communist dictatorships. He is also too stupid to understand that those 8,000 nukes is what keeps the world safe, including his sorry arse. Finally, he also is too insanely liberal to realize that we've only used nukes to defend ourselves once, and if we were so imperalistic, we could have dominated the world a long time ago.

The more idiots like him speak (like many others in ther entertainment world) the more facilities for the insane we should build.

Absurd
What benefits would the US have in absorbing Canada? Not many that I can deduce. What benefits can be had from an imperialist policy towards the Middle East and other areas? Much more. Coups, propping up dictators, and more coups are the actions of an imperialist nation. If Canada had the oil of Venezuala or Saudi Arabia we would have puppets installed there by now or at least attempt to. This is such a silly argument I can't believe people are taking it seriously.

American Imperialism is ruled by multinational corporations and some interest groups. Price at the pump means nothing, profits for oil companies and other industries are more important, even if they directly conflict with the consumer or the taxpayer, thus the first Gulf War, the attempted coup on Chavez, Operation Ajax, etc. Why don't you see how our politicians make their money? See what people and what issues people like James Baker and his kids advocate for. What kind of ship does Condi Rice have named after her? These are the kind of questions Medved "kindly" neglects. Take all the industries that the Leoconservatives come from and look at their stock charts. Obviously a cooincidence, they just happen to come from industries that break, build, and drill, right?

The architects are students of empires past. The Leoconservatives are students of an interpretation of the Greek Classics. I happen to agree with their interpretation, however I part at the value judgements they make. Just because it was business as usual in the past doesn't mean we should adopt those attributes.
The do possess a troublesome mix of interests and opportunists that equate to a very dishonest and utopian ideology.

Well...
The major reason was that until 1867 Canada was ruled by British Empire and it wouldn't have looked onto an invasion by the US very favorbly. Even after 1867, Canada, as it does today, remained part of the commonwealth and again wouldn't take too kindly to a US invasion.

The US was expansionist in its past--the Mexican Cession, Hawai'i, it never granted independence to either Guam or Puerto Rico which it took from Spain and only to the Philippines in 1946 (and just after taking the Philippines from Spain, fought a savage war with the Filipinos). Before the Civil War, many in the US supported annexing Cuba as well, but the issue of slavery ended that possibility.

But he is correct that the US has never been isolationist.


Phylo
"I've never seen anyone who was as good as you at selectively choosing facts to make your preposterous arguments"

I have:
1. Liberals
2. The NEA (who are liberals)
3. Michael Moore (a liberal)
4. Liberals
5. Liberals ad nauseum.
6. Communists (liberals)

southernskies
The majority of Americans couldn't find Israel on a map. The majority of Americans are ill informed, ignorant of world affairs, and as the author makes abundantly clear, extremely ignorant of history. Anyone who puts forth an argument based on "the majority of Americans" is about as informed as..."the majority of Americans".

Imperialism
One of the the problems with the word "imperialism" is that our world is now much more connected and the imperialism has become multi-faceted. The traditional meaning is more militaristic - a country would physically domineer another. Today, however, you can have military imperialism, but also cultural, linguistic, economic, etc. However, when liberals use the term against the United States, there is no doubt that they are putting a negative spin on the traditional definition in the hopes of slandering our country.

What?
We are an imperialist nation, just not in the traditional sense of the word. We are an imperialist nation in the sense that we meddle in the politics of other nations trying to get people elected who share our interests. Once this is accomplished we have, in effect, taken over the country. We've been doing this all over the world.

The problem is that other countries resent us doing all of this meddling, just as we would if our country's politics were being dictated by Russia or China.

The result is that there is now a growing hatred of the United States, which will inevitably result in "blowback".

Medved, you're a first class shiester. I've never seen anyone who was as good as you at selectively choosing facts to make your preposterous arguments. I wish you had the wisdom to realize all of the mayhem and destruction your imperialist ambitions are reaping.

Phylo out.

Georgetwin
The problem with Canada is that is has a lot of snow - and draft dodging hippies.

knight
Exactly what part of the constitution are you referring to?

The 1st Amendment and how the left has trampled all over Christian rights?

Southernskies
You lost me at "American leaders who spread hate and wars based on lies."

'd also like to point out that helping an ally is not the same as imperialism. Let's just say "hypothetically" that our allies in Europe were under attack and we came to their aid. Is that imperialistic? Further, is that "evil" or hateful?

From what I can tell, the hateful people are those that differentiate our allies based on race/ethnicity/geography and claim that since they are in a certain part of the world we should not help them.

Mirefox-Phileo-Renny
After The Gulf War and The Fall of The USSR, WHO COULD’VE STOPPED US if we wanted to take over the world? Without America as a trading partner, Canada is a larger, colder, Venezuela. Without America as a shield, Canada is DEFENSELESS! Let’s take a break and wait for The Screeches from Runt Paul’s ALCOAettes.

The Pro-Israeli Crowd are Imperalistic
One must maintain a clear distinction between the People of America vs. the Leaders-Special Interest groups of America.

The majority of the, People of America, do not want to be in the Middle East fighting wars for Israel in order to remake the Middle East in the image of the American leaders who spread hate and wars based on lies.

Many Americans do not accept the false premise that our National Security is depended on Israel's or any other foreign country's National Security.

Many Americans believe that our tax dollars should be used to build a wall on America's border, and secure our borders for National Security. Instead of our tax dollars being sent to Israel to build them a security wall for their National Security

Many Americans believe that wars should be fought to defend America,as our Founding Fathers state in the Constitution of the United States of America.

We live in a country where some of the greatest people on earth live, because there are great people all over the world, who love their country as much as we love our country.

The majority of the People of America are not arrogant or imperalistic, but sadly, too many of the rich, elite, lying leaders and their supporters are arrogant and imperalistic. And it is they who are destroying our country.

more on US's freeing people
We should not be ashamed or demoralized that Iraq is not perfect. A semi-dem. Iraq will buffer Iran's nuclear ambitions, add a ME Arab dem. to Lebanon--maybe help Israel, protect the moderate Arabs, allow business and trade to flourish again (predicted 6% ec. growth this year), and serve as an ex. to the world.

JFK said we would go anywhere and fight any foe for freedom. He must roll over in his grave when he hears liberals speak today.

We;ve freed 1.5 billion
America has freed 1.5 billion since Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation and freed
3.94 million slaves.

In emulation, Alexander II Russia then freed his serfs (2/3/-3/4 of Russia's 67 million population in 1860). For people who can’t think metaphorically, I use the 1860 census figure to give some idea of Russia’s number of serfs. The Eman. Proc. was issued in 1863 and Alex II’s move was after Lincoln’s.

In 1898, America freed all the slaves of the Spanish Emp. by winning the Spn.-Am. War. That was 10-12 million in South America alone. We took some islands (Puerto Rico) as protectorates and could've assumed most of Central and South America but didn't. Some wimpy imperialism.

We freed Europe in WW I and II. Europe's 1950 population was 738 million mid-century. I'll cut that in half and see in 1918 we freed 369 million (figure should be higher). Those two world war successes equal a billion people.

Then, after WW II, we created the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe and immediately keep the ravaged population from starving to death.

In Korea, we saved 2.36 million in the south from being conquered by a dynasty whose major ec. policy is starving the population.

And in Iraq, 150,000 US soldiers freed 24,000,000 Iraqis in a country twice the size of CA.

Our greatest failure was Indochina where liberals successful forced a withdrawal from Vietnam that led to 2.5 million sent to "re-education" camps or self-exiled to the sea in fragile boats. Another 2 million were killed by Pot Pol in Cambodia. Remember the killing fields?

If we don't save people, no one else will. And some day, we will not be either ec. or militarily powerful enough. Look at Eng. 50 years ago, the British Empire ruled the world.


Oh, the possibilities...
Canada's very existence is a testament to the fact that we are NOT an imperialist nation. If we WANTED Canada, we could have it without firing a shot. If we simply declared victory tomorrow morning and annexed the Great White North, by tomorrow evening they would give up without firing a shot. Of course they would let out a shrill girly scream of protest and Hillary would join the scream and we would immediately withdraw our declaration of victory just to stop the noise.

Excellent article, Medved. A nice reminder that we do live in the "greatest country on God's green earth".

Bravo
Well written, Mr. Medved. Unfortunately, just as our masses are sorely uninformed (or misinformed) about politics, so are they ignorant about history, including our own, and the precedents that we have set in the past for the way we handle foreign affairs.
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