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Wednesday, October 10, 2007
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
No, America's never been a multicultural society
by Michael Medved
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After 177 years of national existence, after building a vast (and brutal) African empire, after serving as a bloody battlefield in two world wars and after achieving a phenomenally privileged postwar standard of living, the nation of Belgium currently hovers on the verge of collapse and dissolution.

The painful inability to form a new government through much of 2007 highlights the desire of many – if not most-- Belgians to divide the country between its hostile Flemish and Walloon components. The French-speaking Walloons identify most viscerally with France, the Flemings prefer to cast their lot with the Netherlands, and neither side affirms the bland, synthetic Belgian identity. Many experts and leaders predict the ultimate break-up of the nation, perhaps in the style of 1993’s famous “Velvet Divorce” that saw the former nation of Czechoslovakia divided into the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Like most other experiments in multi-culturalism (does anyone remember the unspeakably bloody breakup of Yugoslavia?) the Belgian experience of different and disconnected nationalities trying to share the same nation showed the folly and vacuity of the currently trendy mantra alleging that diversity is a blessing and a boon.

Despite this dismal and consistent record, the fervent fans of multi-culturalism insist on an odd extreme of American exceptionalism: characterizing the United States as the one nation in history that’s strengthened, rather than threatened, by simultaneously sustaining distinct, disconnected cultural identities within its borders. According to the politically correct orthodoxy, we’ve always been a diverse collection of numerous nationalities with no single, unifying American culture. This notion implicitly rejects our national motto: “E pluribus unum” --- “out of many, one” – suggesting that the famous melting-pot never functioned as advertised. In place of the old idea of immigrants from everywhere blending their disparate backgrounds into something new, united and definably American, we now trumpet the ideal of distinct races and nationalities that flourish in their separate glory. The multi-culturalists love to talk about the Untied States as a gorgeous, colorful, multi-faceted mosaic, comprised of thousands of different but still distinctive tiles, or a complex tapestry with diverse scenes and styles in which no particular threads manage to predominate.

This description arises from irresponsible lies about the origins and history of the nation—distortions that require clarity and correction.

1. AT THE TIME OF THE NATION’S FOUNDING IT WAS UNABASHEDLY UNI-CULTURAL.

In their fine book about the Constitutional Convention, “Decision in Philadelphia,” Christopher and James Lincoln Collier provide a vivid portrait of the new nation at the time. “The United States in 1787 was by no means as diverse as the bewildering ethnic crazy quilt it is today. Over 75 percent of the white population was of British and Irish stock. Among the whites, 85 percent spoke English as a first language, and although there were some Catholics and a handful of Jews, the country was overwhelmingly Protestant.” The only significant white ethnic group beyond the British and the Protestant Irish and Scots-Irish was the Germans – representing up to 30% of the population in Pennsylvania, but eagerly and quickly assimilating into the new American identity. The Jewish population at the time of the Revolution amounted to a paltry 3,000 – or one-tenth of one percent of the overall population – though a disproportionate number of those sons of Israel fought in Washington’s army (including my wife’s ancestors—she is a Daughter of the American Revolution). Distinctive ethnic pockets persisted in remote villages and frontier settlements; future President Martin Van Buren grew up in the village of Kinderhook, New York, speaking the Dutch language of his ancestors (who had come to the New World 150 years before). This ethnic identity mattered little, however, either to Van Buren’s supporters or his critics; by the time of his major campaigns in the 1830’s and 40’s, the nation had universally embraced the idea that an identity as an American, this “new man” on the world stage, easily trumped any distinctive ancestry.

As Michel Guillaume Jean de Crevecoeur (whose ancestry obviously wasn’t British) asked and answered in his bestselling 1782 pamphlet “Letters from An American Farmer”: “What, then, is the American, this new man? He is neither an European nor the descendant of an European…He is an American, who, leaving behind him all his ancient prejudices and manners, receives new ones from the new mode of life he has embraced, the new government he obeys and the new rank he holds. He becomes an American by being received in the broad lap of our great Alma Mater. Here individuals of all nations are melted into a new race of men, whose labors and posterity will one day cause great changes in the world.”

The notion of the United States blending old identities into something new played a role in two of the most significant military defeats in our early history. The Continental Army’s ill-fated expedition to conquer Quebec in 1775-76 expected to draw strong support from French Canadians, who’ve always felt tension and resentment toward their English neighbors. To the surprise of the American generals, however, the French rallied strongly to defend their homes against the American invasion precisely because of their expectation that the Yankees would prove far less tolerant of their different language and Catholic religion than were the relatively easy-going Brits. The same calculation played a significant role in the failed efforts to seize Canada for the USA in the War of 1812. In other words, far from representing a new paragon of diversity and multiculturalism, the new United States looked markedly less multi-cultural than the British Empire – especially in view of the “United Kingdom’s” official recognition of separate Scottish, Welsh and Irish nationalities. .

The only significant group in early America that remained excluded from the prevailing Anglo-Protestant culture was the black population – nearly 20% of the total, and most of them slaves. Under the cruel terms of slavery these African-Americans found themselves reduced to the status of property rather than neighbors or citizens, and forcibly excluded from the general community. Despite their substantial presence (particularly in the Southern States) they hardly contributed to a multi-cultural community because their heritage, traditions and languages received no recognition whatever—and, in fact, faced ruthless extirpation. Free blacks, however, also represented a significant segment of early America – amounting to more than 50,000 citizens at the time of the Revolution, including the famous Crispus Attucks, the first casualty of 1770’s Boston Massacre. The so-called “Free Negroes” actually demonstrated the singular, dominant role of the prevailing American culture since they aggressively embraced the identity, values, traditions, faiths, language, and politics of their white Anglo contemporaries, with no attempt whatever to honor a distinctive African or ex-slave identity.

These free black citizens comprised as much as 10% of the Continental Army, and foreign officers with thick accents also gave that fighting force a deceptively cosmopolitan atmosphere. Such Revolutionary heroes as the Frenchman Lafayette, or the German Von Steuben, or the Poles Pulaski and Kosciuszko, were adventurers from abroad drawn to the struggle through idealistic commitment, not the American products of separate ethnic communities.

2. THE POWERFUL ANTI-IMMIGRATION MOVEMENT OF THE 1840’S AND ‘50’S UNEQUIVOCALLY DEMONSTRATED THE NATION’S REJECTION OF MULTICULTURALISM. Far from welcoming the first major wave of dramatically distinctive immigrants and embracing the joys of diversity, the distinctly uni-cultural American people reacted with suspicion and, often, murderous hostility. In the 1840’s, millions of Irish and Germans arrived in the United States with a crucial difference from prior Irish and German citizens: these newcomers were overwhelmingly Catholic (the Germans mostly from Bavaria) and so exacerbated the suspicions of a populace deeply distrustful of anything touching the Vatican. In July, 1844, a series of brutal, fiery anti-Catholic riots destroyed whole neighborhoods in Philadelphia, with churches, schools and firehouses burned to the ground and the mobilization of 5000 heavily armed militia required to restore order. The riots began because local Bishop Francis Kenrick had requested permission for Catholic students in the public schools to use the Catholic version of Scriptures for their required daily Bible readings. The Nativist Movement represented by the rioters soon swept the country, under the auspices of “The Order of the Star Spangled Banner” (a nineteenth century equivalent of today’s “Minute Men”) and the “American” or “Know Nothing” Party. Between 1854 and 1858, the rabidly anti-immigrant Know Nothings elected Mayors in Philadelphia, Chicago, Washington, D.C., and San Francisco, and elected governors in California and Massachusetts—also seizing majorities in the Massachusetts legislature.

In 1856, former President Millard Fillmore ran for the White House as the Know Nothing candidate. His platform included severe restrictions on future immigration, a ban on all foreign-born citizens in public office of any kind, increasing the waiting period for naturalized citizenship from five to twenty-one years, a requirement that public schools could hire only Protestant teachers, and a national mandate for daily Bible readings in all schools that could only utilize the Protestant Bible. Fillmore drew an impressive 23% of the popular vote, and claimed the 8 electoral votes of Maryland, finishing third behind the victorious Democrat (James Buchanan) and the first Presidential candidate of the new Republican Party.

After the War Between the States the American/Know Nothing Party completely disappeared and the nativist movement in general became an insignificant factor in American life for the next fifty years. In part, the reduction in anti-Catholic and anti-foreigner sentiment stemmed from the heroic participation by immigrants in the War for the Union. Germans in particular played a stunningly disproportionate role, with their strong opposition to slavery and their impassioned support for the federal cause: 516,000 German-born soldiers participated in the war, comprising an astonishing 23.4% of all Union troops. In short, the nativists didn’t give up their insistent opposition to a multi-cultural, diverse America, but they did come to recognize that even Catholic immigrants represented no long-term threat to the old ideas of the prevailing Anglo-Protestant culture. Germans and Irish and other newcomers proved themselves good neighbors who enthusiastically embraced American identity, with no effort to impose their foreign ways or alien traditions on others. Know Nothing fears about an organized conspiracy by the Pope to impose his rule on the United States (the subject of innumerable tracts and speeches and editorials for more than twenty years) proved just as groundless as the current paranoia about a secret plan for “North American Union” or “Reconquista” of the American Southwest.

3. THE NATION’S MOST PROMINENT LEADERS ALWAYS REJECTED THE NOTION OF SEPARATE ETHNIC IDENTITIES OR CULTURES, AND THE DESIGNATION OF “HYPHENATED AMERICANS.” In a famous 1915 address to an Irish Catholic Audience, former President Theodore Roosevelt made an unforgettable and passionate plea for the ideal of one nation, indivisible:

“There is no room in this country hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans. Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all…. The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.”

President Woodrow Wilson, TR’s much resented old rival, emphatically agreed with Roosevelt on this essential point. “Any man who carries a hyphen about with him carries a dagger that he is ready to plunge into the vitals of this Republic whenever he gets ready.”

These sentiments hardly represented a new idea; throughout the period of the nation’s heaviest immigration (as a percentage of the overall population) the public and our leaders affirmed near-unanimous agreement on the importance of affirming American, rather than ethnic or ancestral, identification. In December, 1888, Henry Cabot Lodge (later Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee), gave a Forefathers’ Day address in Boston, declaring: “Let every man honor and love the land of his birth and the race from which he springs and keep their memory green. It is a pious and honorable duty. But let us have done with British-Americans and Irish-Americans and German-Americans and so on, and all be Americans… If a man is going to be an American at all let him be so without any qualifying adjectives; and if he is going to be something else, let him drop the word American from his personal description.”

The largest of all immigrant groups quickly embraced the assimilation and unqualified Americanism that Lodge demanded, aided by the anti-German sentiments that swept the country during World War I (when we renamed “sauerkraut” as “liberty cabbage”) and World War II. Demographers identify those of German ancestry as the largest single component of the current United States population, representing 50,764,352 individuals, or 17.1% of the total – a higher percentage than blacks, Latinos, Irish, or any other group. Yet few Americans of German descent affirm their ethnic identity or insist that they represent a separate, distinct culture within the Republic.

4. DESPITE THE ETHNIC PRIDE MOVEMENTS OF THE ‘60’S, THE “MELTING POT” HAS ALWAYS WORKED. In 1908, a melodramatic and updated version of the Romeo and Juliet story became a major stage hit and introduced a new term into the national vocabulary. The play “The Melting Pot” by immigrant poet and Zionist activist Israel Zangwill told the story of two lovers of bitterly divergent backgrounds who manage to make a new life together in New York City. The romantic hero, a composer named David who is at work on “An American Symphony,” tells his lover: “Understand that America is God’s Crucible, the great Melting Pot where all the races of Europe are melting and reforming! A fig for your feuds and vendettas! Germans and Frenchmen, Irishmen and Englishmen, Jews and Russians – into the Crucible with you all! God is making the American!” Later, after the star-crossed romantics separate but re-unite, they stand before the setting sun and look out at the Statue of Liberty. David waxes poetic about the red-and-orange sunset: “It’s the Fires of God round His Crucible!” he exclaims. “There she lies, the great Melting Pot – Listen! Can’t you hear the roaring and the bubbling? There gapes her mouth, the harbor where a thousand mammoth feeders come from the ends of the world to pour in their human freight. Here shall they all unite to build the Republic of Man and the Kingdom of God!.”

This exuberant vision touched a deep chord in the nation in 1908 and still has the power to inspire a hundred years later. The ideal of the melting pot doesn’t make immigrant heritage irrelevant or extinct; it incorporates those traditions into the ever-emerging identity of “the American, this new man.” When asked to bring to mind favorite, classic American foods, many citizens would cite selections such as hotdogs (from frankfurters, a German import) or pizza (an obvious Italian import), if not tacos or chop suey. St. Patrick’s Day now counts as an American as much as an Irish, celebration and millions of people with no drop of Hibernian blood love to participate in the yearly revelry.

In academic circles, the “mixing bowl” or “cultural mosaic” theory challenged the melting pot ideal in the 1950’s and ‘60’s, championing the argument that ethnic identity never really melted away but rather combined with other elements like the flavorful ingredients of a salad. In 1972, Michael Novak’s influential book “Rise of the Unmeltable Ethnics” looked at blue-collar Americans who, contrary to many expectations, stubbornly retained their Polish or Italian or Greek identities.

But in the 35 years since the ethnics looked so unmelatable, Novak himself would concede that their distinctive connections with old country norms and traditions has substantially dissolved. Intermarriage remains the most powerful engine of this process and, as in Zangwill’s play, continues its inexorable “roaring and bubbling.” Among all American ethnicities (with the singular exception of African-Americans) out-marriage has become a norm, not an exception – even within the Asian community (comprised significantly of recent immigrants), women marry white males nearly 50% of the time.

After two or at most three generations of life in the United States, all immigrant groups (very much including Mexican-Americans) largely assimilate – learning English, participating in communal life, and clearly identifying more with their American fellow citizens rather than the people of the old country.

5. EVEN THOUGH ALL IMMIGRANT GROUPS CONTRIBUTE TO AMERICAN IDENTITY, THEY HAVEN’T DONE SO IN LINE WITH THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION. As previously noted, more Americans today boast German heritage than British heritage, and yet no one could argue that the culture of the United States contains more Teutonic than English elements.

Despite the inane insistence of multi-culturalists that no one nationality deserves primacy in terms of contemporary American identity, it’s obvious that the earliest settlers from the British Isles played a wildly disproportionate role in shaping the nation. We speak English, embrace British traditions of jurisprudence and politics, even model our great universities on the medieval buildings at Oxford and Cambridge. America’s British heritage isn’t merely “first among equals,” but the obvious standard to which all newcomers have managed to adjust. A simple thought experiment can prove the point: recall (or imagine) traveling to one of the English-heritage nations (Canada, Australia or the UK) and the level of comfort and familiarity you’ll feel during your visit (even if you do have to learn to drive on the wrong side of the road). Then imagine a similar trip to Germany or China or Mexico or any nation of Africa, and you can count a vastly less comfortable culture that would require a far more complicated adjustment for any American, of any ethnicity. U.S. culture owes an incomparable debt to British culture—as David Hackett Fischer makes clear in his altogether invaluable book “Albion’s Seed,” even our sometimes mystifying and profound regional differences mirror the regional differences in England that distinguished and divided the early settlers. Scholars have even traced baseball, perhaps the most sacred of all American cultural icons, to English roots – or to the “city game,” played in London streets even before the first settlement at Jamestown.

Yes, various ethnicities eventually melt down in the “crucible” of America, but the resulting molten metal has been poured into forms and molds shaped long ago in England, Scotland and Wales.

6. THE CURRENT “DIVERSITY” OF AMERICAN LIFE IS REGULARLY DISTORTED AND OVERSTATED. For years, we’ve been subjected to outrageously misleading stories about “minorities” now constituting an American “majority” and about the implacable decline of the nation’s traditional white, Protestant identity. Obviously, those who pontificate in this tone only rarely check the census data. The most recent figures on U.S. racial percentages (from Census Bureau’s 2005 American Community Survey) suggest that 74.7% of us (215.3 million people) identify as “white alone,” 12.1% (34.9 million) say we are “black American,” 4.3% are Asian American, and 7.9% say “some other race” or “two or more races.”

Since Hispanics are (rightly) not identified as a “race,” (after all, movie star Cameron Diaz and baseball star David Ortiz hardly look like they share a racial identity) the 14.5% (41.9 million) who register as Hispanic can count themselves as any race; as it happens, 48% of them say they are “white.”

In other words, the notion that the United States has lost its traditional “white” majority is arrant nonsense: at the time of the Constitution, the population was 80% white, and it’s self-identified as 75% white today.

By the same token, the nation remains overwhelmingly Christian and Protestant, despite the claims of a “post Christian America: 79.8% of census respondents in 2001 identified themselves with one or another Christian denomination. Only 5.2% claimed membership in a non-Christian faith, with Jews (1.4%) the leaders in that group. Only 0.6% of Americans are Muslim, 0.5% Buddhist, and 0.4% Hindu.

The most rapidly growing segment in the survey involves those who say they have “no religion” or else identify as “atheist” or “agnostic” – a group that now represents 15% of the total. Though these irreligious Americans certainly constitute a force worth respecting (after all, consider all the recent bestsellers they’ve produced) they hardly amount to a separate, distinct culture: all the prominent atheist leaders and spokesmen say that non-believers remain largely indistinguishable from the faithful Christians next door, and they honor the same behavioral and communal norms (other than church attendance and Bible study, obviously) as their devout neighbors.

7. THE AFRICAN AMERICAN EXCEPTION. The black community remains the only important sub-group with a long-standing and current claim to a meaningfully separate cultural identity. The circumstances of African-Americans have been irreducibly different from the very beginning – as the only segment of the population that didn’t choose to come here, bore stigmatization as property and sub-human, and survived centuries of mistreatment through vile and violent bigotry. As previously noted, blacks developed a distinctive and separate culture because of their enforced separation for hundreds of years. Nevertheless, African Americans managed to make prodigious contributions to the “Melting Pot” process: what we consider distinctively “American” music evolved largely out of ragtime, blues and jazz which in turn derived from ancient African traditions. In other words, for all their separate and segregated status over the years, blacks have played a huge if often unacknowledged role in the development of the dominant culture.

Moreover, for all the differences between the “European-American” and “African-American” experience, the members of both huge groups remain vastly closer to one another than to compatriots in former homelands across vast Oceans. In his moving book “Out of America,” Washington Post reporter Keith Richburg writes about his experience for several on assignment in Africa, and the inescapable recognition that despite his black heritage he remains far more American than African. In part, the lack of serious African connection may reflect the cruel efforts to erase the cultural legacy of the Motherland by slave holders and other oppressors, but after 400 years on this continent no one could seriously question the American identity of our 35 million citizens of African ancestry. In fact, the spectacular economic and educational progress of so many African-Americans over the last fifty years involves precisely those individuals who’ve made the most enthusiastic embrace of that U.S. identity (in the tradition of the unabashedly and distinctively American Dr. King) rather than affirming separatist notions of Afro-Centrism.

In any event, even among African-Americans—our most distinctive and serious and enduring subculture – there’s never been mass support for the idea of carving out an ethnic homeland (the exclusive province of lunatics like Farrakhan) or repatriation to Mother Africa (only handfuls followed Marcus Garvey’s “Back to Africa” craze or supported white efforts to carve a haven for ex-slaves in Liberia).

This means that despite the disinformation of political correctness, and the regular exaggeration of US diversity, our nation stands little chance of experiencing calls for dismemberment in the tradition of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Canada/Quebec, or even England/Scotland. When America went through a wrenching, supremely bloody struggle to preserve the union, that battle arose out of regional and political rather than ethnic differences (Irish and Jewish Americans, for instance, fought prominently on both sides of the War Between the States).

With relief and confidence, we can follow current events and the various separatist movements in Europe, where true multiculturalism continues to bear its invariably bitter fruit, as we watch the unfolding sorry fate of quarreling Flemings and Walloons in ill-arranged little Belgium, where the beer is stronger than any unifying nationalism and the chocolate’s sweeter than the future.

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Even if American has never been
multicultural, it is now.

As usual the conservatives will be the last to grasp this simple fact.

Multicultural Society
My entire life I've been told my first ancestors arrived here as slaves (POW's). I wondered how could that be, I'm white and was feed the "only the poor black people were slaves" so long that's what we all believe to be true. I've done extensive research on this subject and find that 9 out of 10 slaves brought to America were white. In fact most were not paid for on the other end and were kidnapped. They were not treated as well as the black slaves that other black slave traders sold out of Africa because the whites didn't cost so much. It is horrifying to read the stories about the European street children that were kidnapped, put on ships in the hold with the animals where roughly 50% or more died on the trip and were tossed overboard. Of course history is always being re-written, this is too big of a fact to push it under the rug.

MultiCultural necessity like Swiss canto

There was a wise emulation by our Founding fathers of The Swiss Canton system and the early Dutch republics. It was called the 10th Amendment. It was understood that people of various political, religious or even racial/national identities could congregate in states, or preferably counties, in which the citizens of these semi-autonomous regions could dwell with like minded people of similar culture. They could enact peculiar laws and institutions without the fear that an over-reaching federal Judiciary would try to enforce conformity to a monolithic mold. "CONGRESS ( and by extension none of the un-Constititional departments and bureaucracies) SHALL MAKE NO LAW!" The Bill of Rights, was imposed by the Anti-Federalist as a concession for adoption of the Constitution, in which they tried to insure the freedoms that the citizens if the Swiss Cantons and the Dutch Republic possessed, freedom of assembly, worship, etc. That is why we had a 10th Amendment and why we desperately need that abrogated bill reinstated.
For example, issues like abortion, gay marriages, universal health care for citizens etc would be a community decision, not binding on other localities. This also recognizes the human disposition where one man's freedom is another man's tyranny. The liberals in Berkeley would be free to inhabit their socialist utopia, while the more conservative localities would not be in fear of Ruth Bader Ginsberg or some Federal bureaucracy imposing their dictates. Likewise, those with conservative values and virtues would not impose their tenets on the more sybaritic or socialist societies dwelling in their chosen localities. This would be true freedom and tolerance and would eliminate the persistent liberal-conservative feuds and fears. Mike Guy


update - mostly right
Update:

Pats 48
Cowboys 27

The 'boys played better than I expected and the Pats are downright
scary considering they aren't playing with arguably the best defensive
lineman in the game, Richard Seymour. Wow!

Census Data/Medveg's column on Multicult
Do not accept census data as correct. In the 1870's anyone with one drop of Indian blood had to be counted as Indian. Today the Census Bureau counts anyone living within a reservation boundary as Indian, even though most reservations have more white than Indian. The Census Bureau says they do this for reasons of Indians receiving grants. The higher the population, the more money. Go figure.

America is and always has been
Multicultural.
For the majority of it's history different cultures (too many to mention) have been a part of the North American landscape.
The introduction of European settlers are just another footnote in the evolution of this continent. As their dominance continues to wane the cries of their heritage lost grow louder.
The article can be summed up quite succinctly with a question or two. " What about white males? Is their a place for them and their heritage in the future evolution of our multicultural and diverse society?" The answer is Yes.
(After they are sued for reparations for all the treasure that they stole, they and their children will be sold into slavery to rich foreign merchants.
If their owners immigrate to America, there is a place for them.)

f-man
read the link.

The author mistakes white for American (not the
same thing)
Never was, isn't now, never will be.

My favorite is this, in light of the knowledge that
there is just one race, the human race:

"Human races are biological subspecies, and Prof. Hall writes specifically that this law applies to humans just as it does to other mammals: "To imagine one subspecies of man living together on equal terms for long with another subspecies is but wishful thinking and leads only to disaster and oblivion for one or the other."

Then I google the book and here is the 4 star
review on Amazon:
"Unfortunately, it is dated and lacks the current genetic taxonomy practices. Many of the subspecies in this volume have probably been removed, synonymized, or hybridized by now."

gestell and f-man
cultural purity and language purity - like the
Frenchmen (or is it freedom men - you know if French
fries are freedom fries wouldn't it follow?) and
their French, rather Freedom, Academy.

reply to FairnessMan
WEll put. I'm glad to see an authentic conservative posting his views on multiculturalism. The genuine conservative knows that ethnic and cultural uniformity are crucial to a sound America, and that government has a responsibility to maintain the traditional American culture. When the next Republican gets into the White House, I suggest that you and others who feel the way you do ask him to create an office for cultural purity.

Talent Scout
Hey, it’s great to see that inconvenient things like facts and logic are devoid from your sociologic beliefs and not just your religious beliefs; or is it that to think that the constant, intimate daily contact with millions of people from a different culture could have an effect on the predominate society I “would have to know every detail of every person on the earth in every single minute of their days and nights.”



FairnessMan
Wow! Once again, airtight! I use common words that include no exasperation, foul expressions or hateful remarks and through them you see straight to my heart. Why it’s like having dinner with Svengali. Come on and tell us the truth. You’re really a liberal comedy writer who’s trying portray all the negative conservative stereotypes aren’t you. By the way, what type of Halloween costumes were they? Classic like ghosts, skeletons, monsters or witches; or was it that lame contemporary stuff like characters from the latest kids’ movie?

G-Twin, f-man, TS, AT
Georgetwin,
Again, see my posts - especially at the other
article. If my facts or assertions are in
question question them. I show as well as tell.
I'll check the other articles and this one later.
Good luck disproving!

F-man,
I'm glad you are enjoying your victimhood.
Make the most of it!

TS,
Right Africans and African culture were
non-existent in 1776. How stupid of me.
Add Gary Nash's _Red, White, and Black_ to
Albion's Seed for reading on immigration.
Anyways, you probably know that no African state
has been extant since 1776. And African nations
are all coming out of colonialism. Is that a
useful comparison to the USA or Americans?

AT,
Point taken.

Reply to Everyone's Facts
I thought that I was being quite clear, but it was way past my normal bedtime when I made that post. The likely reason that you understood what I was "trying: to say is that there was really no other way to say it.

I didn't say that there were the names of people from all over the Earth on our war memorials. I said that the names (themselves) hail from every nearly every corner of the planet.

Reply to Lilly
Lilly writes:
To alopi
Aw, come on, try real hard. I bet you can figure it out. Here's a hint: think of a boatload of immigrants wearing babushkas and beards and tearful smiles as they sail past the Statue of Liberty ca 1907.

Madam. Are you proposing a sequel to "Fiddler on the Roof" or trying to make a point?

Unrelated
everyonesfacts writes: 2:05 PM


Well, American culture as it is lived and since
1776 has surely had influence and elements of influence by black African culture.
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Stupid comparison in fact.
Try this, compare an African Nation since 1776 to America.
That is if you are so dumb to bring race into 1776.

Your screen name is disgusting too.

Reply to Gestell
Sometimes a joke is just a joke.

I don't dislike academics. If one's profession or life experience is germane to the discussion, I have no problem with stating those details.

Freedom of Speech
Fairness Man, welcome to MY COUNTRY. Now read the Bill of Rights, do you see that part about freedom of speech? Does it say what language must be spoken by private individuals or private businesses? My great grandparents spoke another language. Their children learned English but still spoke the old language to each other. My parent’s generation and my generation speak English but know some of the old language.

Home Depot is a private business. They can put signs up in ten languages if they want. In Philadelphia's China Town the restaurants have more Chinese signs then English but the food is great so I don't care, it is STILL America. In my old neighborhood a wave a Russian immigrants moved in. Many signs in stores were in Russian, again it was not a problem because they have the RIGHT to do so. And every member of the US military fights to give them that right. The FOUNDERS of this great American nation ENSURED them that right.

I know you claim to be a conservative but you are not really. You don’t support the constitutional right to freedom of speech. Strict adherence to the constitution, not rewriting it from judges is a conservative hallmark. And you want MORE government regulation to limit people’s speech and government to interfere with people’s rights to operate a business.

Illegal immigration is just that, ILLEGAL. That is different and should be stopped. LEGAL immigration makes this country better.

g-d: 5:14PM post. SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE

ignorant, foul, vile, libidiot!

But, of course, we've all learned to except as much from the likes of them...


Restatement
MikeR & everyonesfacts:

everyonesfacts

Yes, I like rock and roll, Motown and just love kick a$$ blues-best music on the face of the Earth but that's a different subject.

MikeR: Your words are are a window to your heart and they indicate an elevated blood pressure when you read my words of truth and wisdom.

To continue:

Let me again state my objections to diversity, multiculturalism, tolerance and all the other B.S.P.C. code words used by suicidal liberals to identify the war to destroy what was once MY country. I don’t want to hear other languages spoken. I don’t want to press one for English. I don’t want to deal with people that I can’t understand on the telephone or in a store. I don’t want to see store signs in English and Spanish in Home Depot, Lowes, etc. I don’t want to see the silly Halloween-like costumes they wear in public 365 days per year that passes for "clothing" in their "culture." I don’t want to see them dragging around 3, 4, 5 or 6 kids that that are blabbering in some foreign language, kids I am probably supporting and who will grow up to pollute MY country even more. I don’t want to pay for their food stamps, free health care, subsidized housing, instate tuition, etc., etc., etc., all goodies that I can’t get for myself and my family. Bring the troops home from Iraq (another subject) and put them on the border with orders to shoot anything that sets foot on U.S. soil.

Long live Michael Savage and his cry for "Borders, Language, culture."

If anyone wants to read the truth about diversity, past the following into your browser:
http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/jt_diver.html


Medved is wrong
There is a major undercount of English ancestry in the U.S. Census. Mormons are very educated in genealogy and their statistics say that 81 percent of Americans can trace at least one line to English ancestors. It is still the most prevalent line. Germans the largest group? That's stupid. The flaw in the U.S. Census is because it relies on self-reported nonsense and not factual records. Almost nobody includes their early English ancestry when self-reporting. Medved should be smart enough to not take government research at face value. Like a lot of what the government is in charge of, the U.S. Census gathering isn't accurate.

everyonesfacts
Because YOU SAY Medved is wrong, it is so?! Liberals constantly say these columns are wrong, but offer nothing to back it up. NO SALE!

everyonesfacts
Because YOU SAY Medved is wrong, it is so?! Liberals constantly say these columns are wrong, but offer nothing to back it up. NO SALE!

FairnessMan
Ooo, you got me! Here I thought I was sitting alone in my lab and all the while you were beside me taking my blood pressure and measuring my brain. Well, let me see if my weenie brain can follow you logic.

You had it bad so it’s ok for you to make it bad.
You were oppressed and no one defended you so it’s right for you to oppress and wrong for me to defend.
Two wrongs make a right.
When you invaded the country it was good. When others do the same, it’s bad.
It is somehow unfair if you hear another language.

Well, I’ve got to hand it to you. You’ve built an airtight case. After all, it is your country.

Good luck on rewriting the definition of fair.

Multiculti smorgasbord
Lilly, you made a good point about all the different foods (and you made me hungry as I read it!), and I can't remember who replied to you by saying that these foods could be enjoyed by all Americans, but that poster made a good point as well.

The cool thing about America is that we all have access to other cultures, foods, traditions, and beliefs, but just because we go out for sushi, or tapas, or fajitas, and enjoy those things, it doesn't change our basic nature to experience them. We've come a long way from victory cabbage and German not being taught in schools anymore.

My ethnic background is a mix of Irish, Scots, and Russian Jew. My adopted family is German and Native American. My husband is from Dutch stock. I love Japanese movies, Indian food, and Russian literature.

I am American, first and foremost.

Well said, Caroline Miranda
re: your 10-11-07, 2:22pm post.

This Arizonan agrees with you.

As for the NAU and SPP. If this is just a bunch of poppycock, why did Duncan Hunter make an issue of it in the House of Representatives?

And what about Robert Pastor's book, TOWARD A NORTH AMERICAN COMMUNITY: LESSONS FROM THE OLD WORLD FOR THE NEW? Even now, Pastor is active in Washington advancing his, and others', agenda.

And Mr. Medved, do you not remember the inception of the EU, growing out of an economic agreement on European coal production that was established after WWII? Then the Maastricht Treaty, and on and on until today the nations of Europe have given over their sovereignty to an unaccountable lot of bureaucrats -- "progressive intellectuals who regard national loyalty as a crime against enlightenment" -- in Brussels?

"'Those who have voiced opposition to the unaccountable bureaucracies and tinpot tribunals of the European Union have been dismissed as chauvinists [and] reactionaries . . . while the process of union itself has been decked out in the same trappings of 'historical inevitability' with which Communism was imposed on the Russians and National Socialism on the people of Germany.'" p252, ENGLAND AN ELEGY, by Roger Scruton.

If you can't see that NAFTA, CAFTA, and Mexican trucks on our highways, and the powerful open-borders, globalization, and chamber of commerce lobbies, all point to our future loss of sovereignty, then quite simply, you have your head in the sand or you are one of them.

public schools or pop culture
"i believe the number one way americans become assimilated and develope cultural norms is the public schools."

That and pop culture.
Pop culture is more dominant at assimilating,
especially kids and as historical quizzes have
shown, including Jay Leno's Jaywalking what sticks.

It is my firm belief that regular folks, not
political junkies, who grew up in the 1970s would
be have a much better grasp on topics covered in
vh1's "We Love the 70's" than the questions asked
to college seniors on civics. And those college
seniors would have done better on topics related
to "We Love the 90's" . . .

Commentaries on the historical/civics quizzes
can be found here, so can the quizzes:
http://www.ednews.org/community/showthread.php?t=79


A Parable

A Rightwing Conservative, a Fake Multiculturalist made up by the Rightwing Conservative, and a Multicularist were walking down three separate roads, and they each came upon $70 lying in the middle of the road, in the form of a twenty and a fifty.

The Rightwing Conservative looked at the twenty and said "This inferior piece of currency is trying to assimilate it's way into my pure Christian wallet and pollute it and me with inferior values and cultures!" He stomped the twenty into shreds and picked up the fifty.

The Fake Multiculturalist made up by the Rightwing Conservative looked at the twenty and said "This poor piece of currency has been oppressed and made to feel inferior for all it's life. I'll validate it's sense of it's own self worth!" He picked up the twenty and left the fifty lying in the road.

The Multiculturalist pocketed $70.

fairness man
I assume your country is your house.

"pollute my white, European, Christian culture."

Well, American culture as it is lived and since
1776 has surely had influence and elements of influence by black African culture.
You like rock and roll?
Even if you don't, do many Americans?
Is it part of American culture?

There is an increasing Hispanic cultural impact
on popular culture. Does this need to be proved?

Whether anything outside of things that come
from whites, Europeans, or Christians pollutes
culture is open to debate, but of course racist
on its surface as a general statement.

And take it from someone who came from a town
full of Americans with descendants from Italy
and/or Sicily, many/most of them were darker than
many/most Hispanic immigrants. Then again,
Medved already wrote this.

Lastly, I know you weren't talking to me when you
said weenie-brained p.c. so if I were MikeR I'd
be a little bit upset - of course, have to judge
the source.

black sub-culture traces to England too
Thomas Sowell's "Black Rednecks & White Liberals" (if I recall the title) traces current black subculture to English roots, too.

That's in line with MM's theme about British heritage, except that Sowell says that the particular English sub-culture that helped father current American black sub-culture has died out most other places and has not contributed much to mainstream American culture.
But my point is that it is an English root, not African or German or Chinese. And more compatible with the rest of our English heritage than with anything else.

black sub-culture traces to England too
Thomas Sowell's "Black Rednecks & White Liberals" (if I recall the title) traces current black subculture to English roots, too.

That's in line with MM's theme about British heritage, except that Sowell says that the particular English sub-culture that helped father current American black sub-culture has died out most other places and has not contributed much to mainstream American culture.
But my point is that it is an English root, not African or German or Chinese. And more compatible with the rest of our English heritage than with anything else.

black sub-culture traces to England too
Thomas Sowell's "Black Rednecks & White Liberals" (if I recall the title) traces current black subculture to English roots, too.

That's in line with MM's theme about British heritage, except that Sowell says that the particular English sub-culture that helped father current American black sub-culture has died out most other places and has not contributed much to mainstream American culture.
But my point is that it is an English root, not African or German or Chinese. And more compatible with the rest of our English heritage than with anything else.

Medved Lives in Fantasy World
Once again Medved prefers his sheltered, safe enclave of the Pacific Northwest and remains completely ignorant of the vast cultural upheaval in the rest of the country, particulary the Southwest, where public children cannot get school instruction in English, hospital emergency rooms are shutting down one after the other because of government mandates to treat the 12-20 million illegal alien residnts for free, entire cosmopolitan downtowns exist where you cannot find anyone on the street who speaks English, and driving resembles maneuvering through a Third World country, because of the vast number of illegal aliens driving cars who don't speak English and of course have no license. If Medved thinks the millions and millions of illegal aliens who defy our laws and claim entitlements to his property and money are assimilating, he obviously has not spent anytime in major U.S. cities beyond a TV appearance or a book signing. He resembles the liberals who have all the solutions to violent crime but have never stepped foot in a crime-ridden neighborhood. It is a shame when writers spend their time writing but never observing.

Trust Our American Culture!
liberius:
"My concerns have everything to do with protecting our culture, our values, our heritage, our nation."

Trust Our American Culture to pick out the good, and reject the Bad. Anime from Japan has taken the country by storm because it's some good, refreshing new art. OTOH footbinding didn't catch on so much, did it?


Toqueville as true today as when written
If you doubt whether a consistent, singular, American culture & identity exists, read Alexis de Toqueville's "Democracy in America". Your jaw will drop when you realize that what he said nearly 200 years ago rings true today. He nailed us. Even after waves of immigration, he nailed us.

Toqueville as true today as when written
If you doubt whether a consistent, singular, American culture & identity exists, read Alexis de Toqueville's "Democracy in America". Your jaw will drop when you realize that what he said nearly 200 years ago rings true today. He nailed us. Even after waves of immigration, he nailed us.

Toqueville as true today as when written
If you doubt whether a consistent, singular, American culture & identity exists, read Alexis de Toqueville's "Democracy in America". Your jaw will drop when you realize that what he said nearly 200 years ago rings true today. He nailed us. Even after waves of immigration, he nailed us.

Medved Libels Multiculturalism II
As a Multiculturalist, I also am comfortable with another fact, one that terrifies and infuriates the Xenophobes who've made Multiculturalism into their latest boogeyman: That into which we are melting, which is our AMERICAN CULTURE, changes with the ingredients that we put in! America and our American Culture has always been a moving target. EVERY new wave of immigrants that is assimilated into it, changes it!

Lilly, above, made that point so strongly when she listed all the different ethnic foods that have become part of the American diet (10/11 12:40 am) that of course the very next poster had to tell her that she was being shallow. It's too bad that it's our brains, and not our stomachs, that determine how tolerant and accepting we are of our fellow Americans.

Medved and people like him decry and misrepresent Multiculturalism, painting it as being in opposition to their exalted "Melting Pot", but what they really want to do is throw everybody that they don't like out of the Pot and then weld the lid on top!


Medved Libels Multiculturalism

And most other Rightwing pundits do likewise. What is Multiculturalism?

Wikipedia says:

"Multiculturalism is an ideology advocating that society should consist of, or at least allow and include, distinct cultural and religious groups, with equitable status."

Hmmm, fairly Neutral. The Ayn Rand Institute says:

"In brief, multiculturalism is the view that all cultures, from that of a spirits-worshiping tribe to that of an advanced industrial civilization, are equal in value."

Ayn doesn't like multiculturalism, it seems.
Medved says:

"This notion (Multiculturalism) implicitly rejects our national motto: “E pluribus unum” --- “out of many, one” – suggesting that the famous melting-pot never functioned as advertised. "

It seems like you decide how much you want to hate Multiculturalism, and then you choose your definition of the term accordingly. I call myself a Multiculturalist (since way before Medved wrote this article) and I'm here to say that of course Multiculturalism DOES NOT reject the idea of the melting pot!

All that Multiculturalism does is recognize that, at any instant in time, the metaphorical 'Pot' is not filled with uniformly identical "Assimilated Americans". That's ridiculous! As a Multiculturalist I recognize that the 'melting' process proceeds at it's own, natural pace, and since immigants began coming here that pace has often spanned generations, and that's PERFECTLY OK!


liberius and gmacarol
gmacarol

curriculum is chosen by the school board not by teachers.

your son may be gifted and although most school districts have programs some do not for gifted students.

does your school district have IB or AP classes?
these classes give them credit for college.

as far as leaving the public schools in droves, the facts don't bear that out.

of all college students 84% come from public schools and that number actually increased by 1% last year.


parents have much more power over thier schools than they realize. the school board is elected and are local members of the community, if there is a problem go to the school board meetings and complain. you will get action because those people want to keep their elected positions.

the problem wiht vouchers is that we as citizens will be funding islamic madrasses who teach hatred of america, satanic schools, which will teach hatred of Christianity and others all paid for on our dime.

i am not for that at all.
do you want all muslims to send their children to madrasses? that is what will happen

Pampered ones
Sorry to all about the double post but then again everything I say bears repeating.

gmacarol:

Hey what do you want for near, at and over $100K per year - you expect them to teach your kids? As long as they teach them P.C. nonsense, diversity, diversity, diversity and tolerance for "alternate" lifestyles, "alternate" people and other such garbage. You must realize teachers (and cops) are Gods. They deserve to be over-pampered, overpaid, over-perked, over-pensioned and under-worked, all on your tax dollar!

Down with government schools
You are missing the boat entirely. You are extremely naive if you think you are getting the same educational experience as your kids if your kids are going to a school that is 60% Hispanic. I'm an expert on Hispanic issues as my wife is a native of Mexico and my 2 sons are half-Hispanic. After having negative experiences with the Hispanic dominated public schools in our area of northern Virginia we actually had to move because one of my son's couldn't stand it anymore.

The culture is so different it is virtually impossible to have the same experiences. We are 50 years overdue for a full-fledged voucher program.

Reply
MikeR and everyonesfacts

God I love it when I get the blood pressure of little weenie brained P.C. people to go up.
Funny thing happened to me on the way to 2007 - I am a pure blooded Italian too! My grandparents came over on the boat. I had 11 blood relative aunts and uncles and my two parents. All spoke English flawlessly. My farther was one of the most well spoken people I have ever heard. I experienced discrimination in the Wasp/Jewish town I grew up in when I was in grade school. I didn’t have anyone feeling sorry for me and going after those bad racist people with stupid laws and political correctness. Tough $hit on me and same to the people pollution (I think it’s clever) that invade MY country and pollute my white, European, Christian culture. Fairnessman - I think it is only FAIR that I do not have to hear language pollution and feel like a foreigner in MY country. I stand by every word of my posts.

education
Perhaps your public schools are effective in teaching your children, but ours is deplorable. I put one child in a private school and his education wasfar superior to the public one. he finished in one year what the ppublic school could not do in two. Now he is back in the public school until he can attend colege at 16 (we have a "running start" program). The very best of students are leaving our public school in droves to attend college early in order to get a better education. The curriculum is atrocious in our public school and the educators that pick it are arrogant and lacking in any common sense. The state scores are at the bottom of the barrel and they still force the currculum on the kids. Our teachers union is an absolute monster of power and control and serves no one but themselves.
You may think your children are doing well in college after public school but the courses offered at the colleges have been so dumbed down that many are at the level of high school when I attended. The facts are, our public schools ARE failing our children in comparison to the rest of the educated world that counts. Our kids will be working for others who have been better educated overseas.

Reply
MikeR and everyonesfacts

God I love it when I get the blood pressure of little weenie brained P.C. people to go up.
Funny thing happened to me on the way to 2007 - I am a pure blooded Italian too! My grandparents came over on the boat. I had 11 blood relative aunts and uncles and my two parents. All spoke English flawlessly. My farther was one of the most well spoken people I have ever heard. I experienced discrimination in the Wasp/Jewish town I grew up in when I was in grade school. I didn’t have anyone feeling sorry for me and going after those bad racist people with stupid laws and political correctness. Tough $hit on me and same to the people pollution (I think it’s clever) that invade MY country and pollute my white, European, Christian culture. Fairnessman - I think it is only FAIR that I do not have to hear language pollution and feel like a foreigner in MY country. I stand by every word of my posts.

you are right gestell
my son is much more advanced when it comes to computers, research and math.

he is taking physics and calculus this semester and i took only one and struggled mightily.

the other advantage these kids have is the IB and AP classes which give them college credit and prepare them for the workload of college.


liberius
i having trouble with links as well, none of mine work although i see others (mainly conservative) which do.

i am trying to figure out if it is a free speech issue or a computer glitch.

Gestell
It's too hard to have a substantive debate this way. You took some shots at me a week ago or so and I was never able to catch up to you to defend myself. You say on your blog you want to debate but you make it too difficult to do so. Furthermore, Townhall censors too much. When I previously put forward a compelling argument complete with supportive links to credible sources, TH ended up erasing everything I wrote and blocked my access completely for a while. The forbidden topics are really the most interesting.

reply to religiouslib
I agree wholeheartedly! My two daughters are in college now, and attended our public regional school system. Their experiences in public school weren't all that different from mine more than 30 years ago. They had music and drama and art (none of which conservatives want to support in public schools). They studied pretty much the same things I did--except they developed a much greater skill at doing independent research, formulating and solving problems, and, of course, they learned to use computers and the Internet as useful tools. I didn't have much familiarity with the research process until I attended college; my kids both had to do such projects in high school. They developed a capacity to learn, which is really important today.

I suspect most TH readers wouldn't agree that my kids have been well-educated because, well, they did learn about human sexuality, and, yes, they went to a school with a code of conduct that called for tolerance of different viewpoints and lifestyles. So I guess they weren't really all that well-educated. They didn't learn to revile gays or blacks or Muslims, or any of the other people good Americans are supposed to dislike.

My kids were well-served by one of those "government schools" conservatives despise. While I don't expect to see it happen in my lifetime, I know that I am already watching, with the growth of homeschooling and charter schools, the beginning of the end of public education in this country. I think that
is a very bad thing for out country, but, hey, I'm a liberal, so what do I know?

reply to liberius
I won't debate privately. The issues on which you and I are likely to disagree are things most TH readers think are important. We can debate via posts, and in connection with columns, or readers' comments.

now let me heat things up
i believe the number one way americans become assimilated and develope cultural norms is the public schools.

my son is a senior in high school in an urban area of southern california. his high school is about 60% hispanic and 30% white.

i have been amazed at how much of his educational and cultural experience has been the same as mine that i got 30 years ago in an idealic mid-western community.

he had read the same books, studied the same history and struggled with the same math.
he has been a varsity basketball player, a membe of the homecoming court, been involved in two religious groups that meet on campus and goes to football games on friday nights.

now i could be more specific but with all the talk of what makes an american culture, the shared experience of high school is something that a majority of americans can relate to on a very personal level.

learning how to dance so as not to be embarrased at you first school dance.
learning a foreign language that none of us remember.
going for fast food after a football or basketball game.
school assemblies, some good, some rowdy , some boring.

again what is the most shared common cutural experience of all americans?

the public school experience.

generally agree
although growing up in chicago 40 years ago you could hear all kinds of languages just traveling through the city.
there were italian neighborhoods where italian was the main language, greek, polish, german and even celtic.

my grandparents were more comfortable in german although went to the latin mass.

just like hispanics by the 2nd or third generation the native tongue of immigrants becomes secondary to english even if it is still spoken at home.

MikeR
I'm for real and I represent the silent majority of informed, concerned Americans. My concerns have nothing to do with the color brown. My concerns have everything to do with protecting our culture, our values, our heritage, our nation.

Of course man cannot drive God down. But man can turn away from God and suffer the consequences. As de Tocheville said, America is great because it is godly. To a greater degree we are rejecting God (as Medved conceded) and this will make us more divided and less godly people.

Of course segregation is more complicated that just distinct differences but I don't have the space or the time to right a book. I dinged Medved on one of his points.

Liberius
I was going to write some caustic humor, but I can’t bring myself to do it. I’m having a hard time believing you are real. Do you really fear the browning of America? Do you really believe that any force of man could drive down God? Do you really think segregation was based simply on distinct differences? What was you old TH name?

Gestell!!!
There you are. I've been looking to debate you. Did you not see my posts on your blog? I can be emailed directly at liberation_central@hotmail.com.

reply to alopekos teumesios
Thanks for the compliment. As I read the posts on this column, I think that a lot of the readers share Medved's blurring of the difference between a society composed of people from a lot of different cultural backgrounds--which can be called "multiculturalism"--and the "political" multiculturalism that, I think, can be needlessly divisive and disruptive.

I think it's a laugh riot when present-day Americans of Italian or Irish or Polish ancestry (just to give examples) go off on more recent immigrants.

Many leftists favor "political" multiculturalism because they see it as a way for groups to protect themselves and to negotiate more effectively with government. The further left you go, the closer you get to pure "identity politics"--the position that the most important thing about a person is his/her racial/ethnic identity, and that this should be the basis on which a person thinks and acts in politics, and the basis on which a group makes claims on the rest of society. Unfortunately, these leftists share this sentiment with the far right.

As for calling myself an academic, which you seem to dislike, I'll ask you: do you object when some of the people who post on TH identify themselves as presnt or past members of the US military? Or is it just that you don't like academics?

Medved pulls the ole "bait and switch"
I loved much of what Medved said. "Multiculturalism" is surely not what it's cracked up to be. But Medved concedes that truth only to try to gain credibility in an effort to convince us in the end that we need not be concerned about the direction America is headed. Wrong. We should be afraid, very afraid.

It’s not paranoia, there is definitely a movement for Reconquista. Mexico lost Texas in the 1830s because it had a very liberal immigration policy. They wanted Americans to come work the land, grow the economy, and generate tax revenue. They allowed Americans to come as long as they took an oath of allegiance to Mexico. But of course the language was different, the religion was different, the culture was different and the American immigrants to Texas did what the law of nature compeled them to do. They ultimately rejected Mexico, rebelled, broke away, and associated with America. A similar thing is now happening in reverse except it will not result in a traditional military conflict but it will feed into the larger culture war against traditional America. Politically and culturally, the real America will lose the southwest.

Blacks are not distinct because they were segregated, they were segregated because they were so distinct to begin with and they are using their hyphen "dagger" to an increased degree. Anglo-protestants (like me) are indeed losing ground. We are reproducing less while Hispanics are crossing the border in droves and reproducing at high rates at our expense. Christianity is being continually mocked, defamed, and diminished by the leftist secular Jews who dominate the media and who are prominent in our courts and academic institutions. These things do not bode well for the future of America that was made strong primarily by the vales of Anglo-Christians.

G-Twin, slavery posts
Georgetwin writes: "everyonesfacts, BULLONEY! He points out some facts about the slave trade. He does not condone it and he mentions that we ENDED it. Also, we fought a Civil War to do so! Why don’t Liberals mention that it was African Muslims who sold their POW’s into slavery? Or that Muslims STILL practice Slavery? No Sale, just more Spin & Slime Liberal Nonsense!"

Although I disagree with your belief that
Medved was posting facts (2 out of 6 would be
great in baseball) on slavery and mentioned at
least one of your points in my post at the other
Medved article here:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MichaelMedved/2007/09/26 /six_inconvenient_truths_about_the_us_and_slavery

I will not be posting on slavery here anymore,
but am glad to continue the debate on the
appropriate article.

Support English as official language
Support Congressman Peter King's bill in the House for making English the national official language for conducting business.

The Senate has passed such a bill, but the House has not.

Support your state initiatives for English as an official state language of business.

Protest to businesses (BOA, for one) that conduct business in foreign languages and cater to people who do not speak Eng. For one, they are prob. not citizens and just enforce "amnesty" for illegals.

All citizens have supposedly passed English-language tests.

I agree and disagree
alopekos teumesios writes:
There is only one test
"It really doesn't matter what is one's skin color, primary language, religion, country of origin, etc. There is only one test for an American. Do you view the ideas stated in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution with contempt or with affection? If it's the former, then you're an outsider, even if you were born here. If it's the latter, then you're an American in spirit, even if you are still waiting in a queue to come here."

I'm glad I agree with you.
See my post: Wednesday, October, 10, 2007 3:10 PM

"There are names on our war memorials hailing from almost every place on Earth."

On this point I disagree with you with, although
I understand what you are trying to say.
Though there have been, no doubt, foreign
nationals that have died in many U.S. wars,
almost all of our war dead hail from one place -
the U.S.! I think this was Medved's main point.

phileo
Again, read my posts there - I will respond to
them there.

On ad-hominems:
For Medved's article I offer proof to why I think
he is an apologist for slavery - see my posts.

Tweaky on the other hand calls me stupid for facts
I got wrong and doesn't give a single example.

So, all I was looking for is explaining why I am
so stupid.

Revision:
Pats 41
Cowboys 10

everyonesfacts, no ad for hominy here
everyonesfacts wrote: "...the worst that Medved is is an apologist for slavery..."

Talk about ad hominem! If that's what you got out of the previous column in this series, you need to re-read, re-think and revise all your comments - including your ramblings on multiculturalism.

While you're re-thinking and revising; wanna change your prediction on the Pat's vs. the Cowboys? I didn't think so...

People pollution and other garbage
What a disgusting term.
Fairness (sic) Man, you would have been right at
home with the unAmerican acting Know-Nothings.

Anyways, 90% of customers are speaking a foreign
language - Wow! talk about hearing what you don't
want to hear. This is what people from the old
country call Bulls...

"It is so irritating that I often feel like just screaming for them to get the hell out of MY country!"

Maybe their country too. You'll notice my
definition of American does not have language in
it. While, I guess yours would. Again who is
in and who is left out is the big question.


"I wonder where do all the English speaking citizens shop? Maybe they shop in these stores also but they have become such a minority that they are almost invisible?"

Those 90% must be spending enough $ to keep these
retail stores in business. There are other ways
of shopping than actually going to the store.

"Want to have some fun? The next time you are in one of these stores and stumble upon two people speaking English, quietly walk up to them and whisper, "You know, you’re not allowed to speak English in this store." You would be amazed at the reaction."

This is another difference b/w you and me.
I wouldn't be upset by people communicating w/
each other, but some a-- making a stupid joke
would. Again, another reason to shop at home.

"As I always say (using two P.C. words in the best possible way), "I have no tolerance for diversity."

In other words, you have no tolerance for other
people - outside your brothers, sisters, parents
at the most. Accepting anyone else would be
tolerating diversity. Or are there only certain
people you don't tolerate?

Lilly
Babushkas AND beards? Were these our first drag queens?

FairnessMan
Oh how you bring back sweet memories of childhood. Yes, the things I experienced and the stories I was told. See, we were “people pollution” back then. If course, now being Italian is cool. Some folks actually did tell us to get the hell out of their country but most just told us to stay the hell where we belonged in our neighborhood. We always complied because we were intimidated by the many types of reprisals available for anyone who got uppity. Ah, the good old days. I don’t miss them, but I imagine they would appeal to you.

I like the name but I can’t imagine why you picked it.

lilly
Your blather does not relate to the article at all. Go to your room.

Every single war has been caused by diversity. Yes, every single one.

Stan & Tweaky & GeorgeTwin
Stan,
so we agree on ethnic group.
For racial group I put human.
Anyways, your post on American culture did not
define it unless you are using my vague definition.

Tweaky,
Other than an ad hominem attack, any substance to
what I got wrong?

Georgetwin,
See my posts on the slavery article.
He was wrong partially or substantially on 4 of 6 assertions. Not great.

Food
Lily you either need to cook for me or let me take you out for southern food. lol But I think the point is all those immigrants and food are enjoyed by ALL Americans. Sushi and Bagels are both common food everywhere because we have an AMERICAN culture. While we all might have our favorite traditions we enjoy the uniquely AMERICAN mixing of those traditions. Mixing the cultures to form one unique American culture is the norm for America. This is not true in the rest of the world. Regional disputes, cultural disputes, and ethnic disputes exist in the USA but are not nearly as marked as they are in other countries. Examine the Turkish immigrant’s role in modern Germany or the Muslim population in France to see non-blending of cultures. Look at the fractionalizations of Africa tribes, Balkan states, beak up of USSR, etc and the point of the article is these people can’t live together and blend together in their own countries but we welcome them here and they can turn into Americans, with American values acceptance of others, culture and love of country. Some of our most ardent patriots are recent immigrants who know how bad it is elsewhere.

When a soldier is hurt in Iraq No one cares about race or hyphen we just ALL react to an AMERICAN.

Have you experienced this?
I don’t know about every place in this once great country but here in The People’s Republic of New Jersey multiculturalism, or as I say "people pollution" is totally out of control. It is impossible to go into any store from Wal Mart to the most expensive stores of any kind and not hear 90% of the customers speaking a language other than English. It is so irritating that I often feel like just screaming for them to get the hell out of MY country! I wonder where do all the English speaking citizens shop? Maybe they shop in these stores also but they have become such a minority that they are almost invisible? Want to have some fun? The next time you are in one of these stores and stumble upon two people speaking English, quietly walk up to them and whisper, "You know, you’re not allowed to speak English in this store." You would be amazed at the reaction.

As I always say (using two P.C. words in the best possible way), "I have no tolerance for diversity."

To alopi
Aw, come on, try real hard. I bet you can figure it out. Here's a hint: think of a boatload of immigrants wearing babushkas and beards and tearful smiles as they sail past the Statue of Liberty ca 1907.

Well Done, Gestell
Normally, I see your nickname and I expect to think what a pompous acc (think Cyrillic to get past the TH censors) you are and how you often argue with a broad, leftist generalizations. I was pleasantly surprised by your insightful posting. Well said, sir. I wish that Lilly would show such maturity. Of course, you did have to throw in that little thing about being an academic, you pompous acc (think Cyrillic again). (LOL - just kidding)

Reply to Lilly
While my nickname gives a nod to the Greeks for their pivotal role in building the foundation of Western civilization, alas their blood does not run in my veins. I do so like their cuisine.

You neglected to add the staples of my sainted Irish ancestors, a six pack and a potato. LOL.

BTW, other than flaunting your knowledge of world cuisine, your point is what?

To alopekos teumesios
Sorry, I forgot you: tiropita, moussaka, pastitsio, avgolemono soup, Kalamata olives, galaktoboureko, spankorizo, and saganaki.


Reply to Lilly
If your American identity amounts only to what you put in your mouth, I pity your shallow feelings of citizenship after all these years that you allege to have lived.

Menu
Here's what's for dinner in the United States of America: pierogies, sauerkraut, chorizo, lasagna, blintzes, bratwurst, kugel, black beans and rice, won ton soup, chili con carne, beer, kolachkys, sukiyaki, lutefisk, schaumtorte, yams, minestrone, challah, frankfurters, blitzkuchen, caponata, Belgian waffles, hummos and pita, tres leches cake, boeuf Bourguignonne, Hassenpfeffer, blancmange, egg foo yong, polenta, pizza, okra, yogurt, colcannon, shish kebab, lebkuchen, dulce de leche, couscous, Pfeffernusse, gumbo, matzos, sushi, frijoles, coleslaw, lekvar, mortadella, panhaus, crepes Suzette, enchiladas, fortune cookies, spaghetti, and gefiltefish.

This of course is because we have never been a multicultural society.

everyonesfacts I was going to agree, but
Your prediction about football:

NE Pat's 34
Dallas 17

seems pretty accurate - which pains me as a Cowboys fan (I'm about as pessimistic as a BoSox fan).

BUT I read your other "facts" and you are SO FAR OUT in left field, I'm starting to get optimistic about the Cowboys' chances based SOLELY on your prediction.

Thanks!! Your stupidity gives me hope!

There is only one test
It really doesn't matter what is one's skin color, primary language, religion, country of origin, etc. There is only one test for an American. Do you view the ideas stated in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution with contempt or with affection? If it's the former, then you're an outsider, even if you were born here. If it's the latter, then you're an American in spirit, even if you are still waiting in a queue to come here.

My wife is a naturalized citizen who lived under Communism in the USSR for over twenty years. While she is sometimes nostalgic for her old home, I would match her love for American values (as enshrined in our founding documents) with any of the left-wing statists that visit this site.

There are names on our war memorials hailing from almost every place on Earth.

multi-culturalism/democracy don't mix
Imagine the Framers of the Constitution attempting to unite the people of MA (where there was a church tax) and Virginia (where there was fiscal separation of church and state). Imagine attempting to convince the Quakers that they should be ruled under the same Federal law as the Calvinists. For all of the glorification of the past, colonial America was a hotbed of multi-culturalism. This is why the the Federal Constitution had such strict non-interventionist rules - this was the only way to get the original American Nations of VA, MA, NH...to cooperate.

Instead of simply whining about multi-culturalism we should simply remember the path that was layed out for us by the Founding Fathers - A path which leads us to prosperity despite the fact that in a free country multi-culturalism tends to be rampant. If we would stop forcing the progressive/integrationist path of the last 150 years, people would be free to segregate themselves into the local, functional, culturally homogeneous democracies our federal republic was designed to oblige. As long as as we continue to centralize political power in Washington, to force integration, we will be plagued by discontent as multi-cultural forces continue to grab for the mantel of power.

Vote Ron Paul to turn back the clock to a time when pedophiles were shot, family values ruled, and the Federal Courts and Federal Politicians were impotent to cram multi-culturalism down our throats.

Stan: Good for you!
That was excellent and you are right. The way other employees stood up and said they were "American" shows what it is to be an American. We can be from the North, South, East, West and Midwest, but "Americans" do share some core things and your anecdote shows that.

Which reminds me of something I saw on Oprah a few years ago (don't bash me for watching Oprah, though!) - I believe the topic was race and a black man stood up and said that when an application asks for his "race" he always puts "human". You and he are "heroes" in my eyes for recognizing how stupid it is to try and "balkanize" everybody. Yes, you can have your culture in America, but that doesn't mean you can't be an "American".

Americans are Americans if they identify with this country and it's core beliefs of liberty and equality under the law, to essentially "live and let live". Of course, there are some that want to get more into your personal life than others (and they are both Blue and Red, by the way). But basically, a true American, IMHO, believes the above, regardless where they or their family originally came from.

Here's an example, even though the gentleman is not American - in Iraq a man was operating a "Blockbuster" type store. Al-Quaeda in Iraq people drove up in fancy Mercedes-Benz cars and told him he was not allowed to sell DVDs because nothing like that existed in the time of Mohammed. The guy (I love this!) told them that cars also did not exist in the time of Mohammed and that they should get in their cars and drive way and come back on camels and then they would talk!

That is a true American, even if he isn't a naturalized citizen . . . yet! I would make him one if I could!

Everyone in America

Is not living behind "gated walls" as Medved is.

http://www.firesociety.com/article/13096/Victims-Of-Illegal s-Forum-Guidelines/


1. "Victims Of Illegals" Forum Guidelines
2. Research on scope of illegal alien crime problem.
3. Go Directly To The Forum.

The under-told story of America's illegal immigration crisis is that hundreds of thousands of American citizens have become victims and even lost their lives at the hands of illegal aliens. While every death in the Iraq War is charted, our government does not even bother to track information on the victims of illegal aliens. What we do know is this: in any given year, a minimum estimate of 230,000 illegal aliens are incarcerated in our prisons and 27% of their crimes are property or violent crimes. More info below.

FireSociety has initiatied a forum that we hope will become the basis for a clearinghouse of information on this under-told story.

Love your post Stan
The last people on earth who need any outside instructions from anyone as to accepting all races and cultures is Americans.
We lead the world, thanks to the Founders who found the right formula.
Rights come from God
All men are created equal

Way up and above skin color and national cultures

100% American!
Along the same line, a number of years ago I had started work at a new company, and in the human resources form I listed my racial/ethnic group as American.

A few days later a person from HR came by and said I couldn't put down American. The black guy working next to me said "Change mine! I'm an American!" Then the Swede across the aisle said "I'm an American too! Change mine!" The HR rep retreated....

An hour later I was on my way out to lunch, and half the company, with ancestors from every part of the world, was congregated in the hall outside the HR department, all demanding that their classification be changed to American.

In the real America that’s the way most everyone feels. We may all be proud of our different backgrounds, but we are all Americans first.

Since then I've changed jobs several times and I've always listed my racial/ethnic group as American.

Long piece to get this across
Medved writes:
blah blah blah ....."proved just as groundless as the current paranoia about a secret plan for “North American Union” or”“Reconquista” of the American Southwest."
-------------

Bet money Medved does not live in the Southwest.
Yet if just one of those ever said something he could call anti-semetic he would be down on them for being Conquistadories.
Sorry excuse to take another one of your cheap shots Medved.
Hoping you soon get a first hand experience with one of the drunken illegal gang members.

(well not really, just get it through your thick head they are all criminals by ignoring immigration law)

As many people and where they came from is how many different views exist for their own America.

Everyone has their own ideas on their own lives and experience, and Medved holds no voice for anyone but his own.
My America is not his or anyones but my own, and all we share is values and ideas, if that.

The Ideas, Laws, Religion of the Founders and the Original States is what gave us America.
Not a single person or ethnicity, even if the Founders were mostly British or Irish.

Their ideas went way above such earthy thoughts.







100% American!
My daughter came home from school this afternoon wanting to know what kind of a hyphenated-Americans we are. I told her that I am an American. After she reads this article I will tell her about our history.

everyonesfacts:
Its been the dominant culture of the United States for a few hundred years. Spend some time in the US and I'm sure you can figure it out.

everyonesfacts
BULLONEY! He points out some facts about the slave trade. He does not condone it and he mentions that we ENDED it. Also, we fought a Civil War to do so! Why don’t Liberals mention that it was African Muslims who sold their POW’s into slavery? O that Muslims STILL practice Slavery? No Sale, just more Spin & Slime Liberal Nonsense!

Stan
Define what the "shared American culture" is.

Thanks. I'll check back later.

Multicultis not all wrong.
So, I rather agree with the multiculturalists
he complains about:

"According to the politically correct orthodoxy, we’ve always been a diverse collection of numerous nationalities with no single, unifying American culture."

I see this as true, of course the one unifying
culture was how life was lived by Americans.

"In place of the old idea of immigrants from everywhere blending their disparate backgrounds into something new, united and definably American,"

I say this happened and is what I describe as
American culture - these new and old ways of
living. Not just the new, but old and new.

"we now trumpet the ideal of distinct races and nationalities that flourish in their separate glory. The multi-culturalists love to talk about the Untied States as a gorgeous, colorful, multi-faceted mosaic, comprised of thousands of different but still distinctive tiles, or a complex tapestry with diverse scenes and styles"

This happens too, whether we should "trumpet" it
is a fair question. But that it happens is
conceded.

"in which no particular threads manage to predominate."

On this I disagree with the multiculturalists
because there is a distinctive way Americans live
their lives but it is varied - not one thing -
but different than any other county's culture.

I would like to see Medved's attempt to define
what is and is not American culture and what is
and is not an American. I'll check back later.

Diversity
The multi-culturalists claim "diversity made us great". Diversity never made any country great.

A shared American culture and a shared American dream is and has always been our strength and geatness.

TBird
I think you mistake a similar or same viewpoint
for similar or same culture.

And I take Medved's point that Americans make up
one culture with thousands of subcultures.
In this case all Americans are multicultural
since inside them is contained many cultures -
Irish, Protestant, deadhead, Star Trek watcher,
etc. BUT his point that I agree with is that the
uniculture of America is being American.

Now defining that is what is hard.

But I will try

An American - I would like to say a belief in
the rule of law, and inalienable rights, identification as an American, and American citizenship or desire to have it would be what
makes an American an American.

American culture doesn't really exist as a
thing that can be defined imho it is
just the way life is lived by Americans (see above). Now, Medved seems to think there is an
American culture but never defines it. The easy
way out. SEE NEXT POST


what some leftists like
Some leftists prefer Canada's approach to multicultualism, and would like the US to imitate it. I'll just sketch out some basics of it. Canadians call their indigenous people "First Nations," indicating that these folks were here before the whites came, and were organized societies. As much as is practical, the Canadian government tries to let the First Naations do as much self-governing as they can. There are lots of negotiations between First Nations leaders and the government on a host of big and small issues.

Then there's Nunavut, carved out of the Northwest Territories and created in 1999. This is the semi-autonomous entity for the Inuit (what we call "Eskimos"). They have their own government structure--a unicameral assembly (with no political parties) that reaches decisions by consensus.

Finally, Quebec. Last year the Canadian House of Commons characterized Quebec as a"nation" within Canada. Quebec has powers other provinces lack, including the power to establish its own foreign trade policies, and, of course, the power to require the French language for most public purposes, including for most businesses. To enforce the language policy, they have the language police.

What's supposed to be desirable about all this diversity is that people who have a strong ethnic identity get to express it in a political form. Equivalents in the US might be legal recognition of Hispanic dominance in the American southwest, or the creation of organized self-governing black enclaves in American cities.

I'm not a big fan of these policies, but I wanted to share with you something that gets some leftists really excited.

limited history
Actually while most of the country has a legal system based on the British, Lousiana does not. Theirs is based on the French. Admittedly this is largely a who cares kind of fact, but in a system like ours having different systems is not a really big deal.

Obviously it would be silly to categorize Utah in terms of its protestant roots, since it has none. And our cultural differences were great enough by the mid 1800's to prompt an actual civil war rather than the threatened dissolution of Belgium.

It is an interesting question whether the average American would feel more at home in foreign countries today than our WASPish ancestors would feel in America with its diverse cultural influences. My guess is that he would

Well,
Medved has gone from telling us how slavery wasn’t that bad, to how we are supposed to be a Christian nation, to now dismissing multiculturalism. His journey through history has been filled with odd interpretations more than any particular inaccuracies. In this case it comes down how we define multiculturalism. Loosely defined as some polyglot hegemony of coexisting peoples, then we are not and have never been a multicultural society. But, more correctly defined as of, relating to, reflecting, or adapted to diverse cultures, then we have always been and continue to be multicultural. From the beginning of or nation, we were diverse. It was a narrow diversion, but it was there. Different peoples coalesced to form what we call Americans. As time passed, the diversity grew. Each new group changed America and what it is to be an American and were changed from what they were in turn. In some ways, that is the essence of a melting pot yet distinctions remain. My favorite is in cuisine. I grew up in a cloistered neighborhood where Italian culture was dominant. Over the years, I’ve become Americanized and so has the neighborhood, ye t the food in some of the restaurants is as authentic as if time stopped. I think the same can be said about many of us. We change over time but inside, a kernel of who we were remains intact.

Georgetwin
No, the worst that Medved is is an apologist for
slavery. See my comments on his previous article.

Also, this is the 4th historical article he has
written and the only one that comes close to being
accurate. But see my points above which are mere
quibbles compared to the gross inaccuracies he made
about Indians, slavery, and our founding. Again see
my posts for each - the devil was in the large
details he got wrong. My criticism of this article
is small.


Gestell
I stand corrected. However, before midnight AT THE VERY LEAST, Medved will be excoriated by THE SHRILL LEFT as a RACIST!

Medved and Cowboys/Pats
First of all,

The Colts will assimilate you all.

On to multiculturalism -- what's the one American culture like? There is a dizzying variety of cultures within the "dominant" American culture. A long-haul trucker from Topeka and a lesbian art theory teacher in NYC might both be part of the same "white" culture, but their lives/viewpoints are nothing alike. Plus, culture changes over time. We used to be ashamed of personal debt, for example, but now we generally don't mind it. Ditto divorce, by and large.

Medved isn't saying we aren't multicultural, he's proving we are with his own stats. What he really doesn't like is that not everybody is "on board" with his political and social priorities.

Really, Medved and his supporters just don't want people to pressure them for change, and they want to think they're the best that ever happened on earth. Basically, "Act white like me and everything works fine." Anybody who smiles really big, and says "I Love America!" will probably get along fine with them. No matter what accent they have. So it's not racism. But anyone who shouts about fixing a problem, or wants to talk in another language, will be "too multicultural" for them.

For a test case of uniculturalism, look at the current White House. Look how that worked for Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld in Iraq. Homogenize the perspective and there's nobody to catch big mistakes. Is that really what you want?

You see what you want to see . . .
Anthony Thomas, you saw what you wanted to see in that piece. The fact is that Medved's article acknowledges America's dark side (anti-immigration based on bigotry, and slavery) and does not make any statement "wishing" it were still that way. What he's saying is that we were never multi-cultural in the "Balkan" sense (separate cultures living together), but rather multi-cultural in the sense that other cultures came in, probably kept some of their traditions, but those traditions "melted" into American culture (he gave examples, remember? Hot Dogs, pizza, St. Patrick's Day, etc.) and became "Americanized". His article did not intimate, nor did it directly state, pride for an ALL WHITE culture. He just stated facts - America is mostly white, then black, and then sprinkles of everything else. It's just a census fact, not a political statement. And, in fact, he acknowledged the great contributions that Americans of African descent have made to American culture (as well as those of other cultures).

Gestell, it's nice to see a liberal who also doesn't like that idea of "multi-culturalism". I like to be proven wrong every once in a while. :)

Phileo
I predict you'll be less proud to be from TX next
week, but still proud to be American, my prediction:
True Americans (i.e. Patriots) 34
Cowboys (black hats, look grey on tv) 17



reply to Georgetwin
Silly right-winger! I'm a liberal and an academic, and I loved this column. My only complaint is that Medved blurred together two somewhat different things. 1. There's no doubt about the claim that the US has never been "multicultural." And yet, as he acknowledges, people from various cultures have contributed to the US and continued to be atttached to their original cultures. 2. What Medved is really against is not the idea that the US contains people from all sorts of cultural background--what he's really opposing is the political doctrine of multiculturalism, embraced by many--certainly not all--on the left.

I don't think Medved wants to make a Chinatown look like Scarsdale, or keep the Irish from having a St. Patrick's Day parade. Instead, he's against the leftist multicultural idea that there should be political recognition given to each ethnic/racial/linguistic group, that people should be organized officially on the basis of these characteristics. That's the left multiculturalism that I oppose as well.

Unfortunately, the word "multiculturalism" blurs over this difference, which means that Medved's criticism was unfocused.

Medved
Tells it like it is. The Column contains nothing but the TRUTH! LIBERALS WILL HATE IT!

PROUD to be an American!!
Ain't proud to be white; ain't proud to be black - I didn't have any choice in those matters. I'm only SLIGHTLY proud to be from Texas - we'll see how the Cowboys do NEXT week :)...

I AM proud to be an American! And I'm grateful to God for a country in which I know that I am equal in the eyes of the law with Medved, Anthony Thomas and any one else who is privileged to call themselves a U.S. citizen.

Anthony
So are you saying
"America never was America to me":

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Hughes-America-Again1938.ht m

Again as Langston Hughes explains who is and who
isn't an American is the question. So what's the
answer?

identifying yourself and minorities
Though I define my race as human and my ethnicity
as being American, others who say identify
themselves with a hyphen need not be less
American than Medved or I.

Thus, people who identify themselves as
African-American and are fighting in Iraq are
not less American than me. I would say we are
equally American. And celebrating your heritage
doesn't make you less American either. So you
drink green beer on St. Patty's Day and can dance
a jig - you can still be ALL 100% American


I think we need to say how the assimilating (to
absorb into the culture or mores of a population
or group) correlates to who is or can be an
American.

Obviously, there can be no minorities if all are
Americans.

We'll try harder Medved.
This article is pretty accurate. What Medveds intentions are is another story. I mean you can just ask any non-European American citizen and we can tell you first hand that America's never embraced multiculturalism, especially any culture that wasn't considered white. There has always been a volatile attitude by our so called "founders" towards the cultural others. I kind of appreciate Medved for coming out and telling the truth: That our country was built on intolerance of other cultures, religions, and beliefs; And that our countries founding is rooted in downright bigotry. This is a basic fact.

However my guess is that Medved is celebrating this sort of behavior, instead of condemning it. I guess according to Medved , the United States should go back to those times of extreme bigotry, and hatred towards blacks, the Spanish, Asians or any of the other cultural others, that way, we may truly be the great White country we were truly intended to be. That would be great wouldn't it? I mean, I know us cultural others are contaminating the white Anglo Saxon race and all. I mean darn it! I wish there was a way that us cultural others could be all Christian, clean, and white like the great founders of this nation. Then and only then would the United States be a true paradise on earth! We'll try harder for you Medved, I promise. LMAO, hahah. What a joke this guys is.

Arguing against multiculturalism II
Then Medved has this classic that people were
against multiculturalism by fighting against
(wait, wait, don't tell me). . . Americans

Huh?

Quote:
THE POWERFUL ANTI-IMMIGRATION MOVEMENT OF THE 1840’S AND ‘50’S UNEQUIVOCALLY DEMONSTRATED THE NATION’S REJECTION OF MULTICULTURALISM.

Americans (part of a distinct culture) fighting
against Americans doesn't prove the nation's
(by nation I assume he is talking about a nation
of people, certainly not the government)
rejection of multiculturalism, but the desire of
some Americans not to consider other Americans
Americans.

That's it. Now, Medved is doing what I predicted
others would do is actually say there are
several cultures when there was one American
culture. The Nativists believed that America
was becoming multicultural when it wasn't - these
new immigrants were Americans.

That said
The question is not background but if there is
one American culture.

And what is it.

This human American thinks there is.
(BTW race = human, ethnicity = American)

But I also believe that people who agree with me
will bring up all sorts of things that disprove
they believe in one American culture and that
proves they believe they believe in
multiculturalism even seeing themselves as a
part of a separate group.

So Crevocuer's question is still the question we
should have before us. What is an American and
who isn't?

Arguing against multiculturalism
by saying it existed is not the strongest argument.

Saying everybody is one thing and then writing:
“The United States in 1787 was by no means as diverse as the bewildering ethnic crazy quilt it is today. Over 75 percent of the white population was of British and Irish stock. Among the whites, 85 percent spoke English as a first language, and although there were some Catholics and a handful of Jews, the country was overwhelmingly Protestant.” The only significant white ethnic group beyond the British and the Protestant Irish and Scots-Irish was the Germans – representing up to 30% of the population in Pennsylvania, but eagerly and quickly assimilating into the new American identity. The Jewish population at the time of the Revolution amounted to a paltry 3,000 – or one-tenth of one percent of the overall population – though a disproportionate number of those sons of Israel fought in Washington’s army (including my wife’s ancestors—she is a Daughter of the American Revolution). Distinctive ethnic pockets persisted in remote villages and frontier settlements; future President Martin Van Buren grew up in the village of Kinderhook, New York, speaking the Dutch language of his ancestors (who had come to the New World 150 years before). This ethnic identity mattered little, however, either to Van Buren’s supporters or his critics; by the time of his major campaigns in the 1830’s and 40’s, the nation had universally embraced the idea that an identity as an American, this “new man” on the world stage, easily trumped any distinctive ancestry."

Disproves the point he is trying to make.

Medved on "multicultural" America
I agree wholeheartedly with the thoughts expressed in Michael Medved's extremely well written article, "No, America's never been a multicultural society." In particular, I am equally optimistic that the large Hispanic immigrant community will assimilate--and contribute richness to American society--in the same way that other ethnic groups have in the past. But there are those who do not share that optimism regarding the immigrant Muslim community. Mr. Medved does not address that point. It would have been interesting to hear him do so.
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