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Thursday, September 18, 2008
Ken Blackwell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Stop Rewarding Bad Behavior!
by Ken Blackwell
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The Dow dropped 504 points as major American corporations nosedived, some of which are being saved with your tax money. It is way past the time to give corporate executives additional incentives to avoid asking for a congressional bailout. Instead they must run their companies responsibly.

It started when Bear Stearns was bailed out by federal authorities a few weeks ago. What is unprecedented about this is the Federal Reserve, which formerly operated as a lender of last resort to banks, for the first time channeled cash to a financial investment firm, radically expanding its sphere of regulation.

In the wake of this, market-watchers speculated which firm would be bailed out next. On Monday the feds let Lehman Brothers, one of the nation’soldest investment houses, collapse. Another giant, Merrill Lynch, was acquired by Bank of America as Merrill’s value plummeted.

Then AIG, with initial assets of one trillion dollars, lost 60% of its value. Fearing the global financial tidal wave AIG’s failure would cause, the feds stepped in. The international insurance giant wasspared Lehman’s fate.

These private-sector failings happened atthe same time of the collapse of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Those two institutions have no one to blame but themselves. Mortgage lenders were issuing mortgages to people with no income and noassets. That is simply insane. Who gives a loan to someone who cannot cover it and has no income with which to make payments? Someone who thinks that Congress will bail them out with your money if things gobad, that is who.

Some on the left criticize this as thefailure of the free market. They will demand increased government control of the economy, but they are wrong. Markets have both potential and risk. Business leaders get paid to exercise their judgment of the markets in order to maximize a company’s profits. Boards of directorsexercise their judgment to elect corporate officers who will best achieve this goal.

But that is not what is happening in somecorporations. A corporation should not pay one dollar more than necessary to keep corporate officers from quitting. Instead some are paying one dollar less than the amount that would send shareholders into an all-out revolt. Such corporations are operating to enrich their top employees at the expense of shareholders. That is backward - corporations exist to enrich shareholders.

This week's financial meltdown offers examples of this. The top officer at Lehman Brothers was Dick Fuld. His personal compensation over the past severalyears was nearly half a billion dollars before taxes. He was raking in these astounding paychecks while the company entrusted to him was atserious risk because of reckless investment decisions.

Perhaps someone could do such an amazing job that they are worth such pay, but the fact that his company is now bankrupt creates doubt that hiscompensation was merited by his performance.

With freedom comes responsibility. Those who would have self-government must, by definition, govern themselves. Self-government only works when peopleact responsibly and fulfill their obligations. When people abuse these freedoms to enrich themselves at the expense of others, then the public will demand the government to step in. That is how government grows,and how freedom is diminished.

The prospect of government intervention should be terrifying to corporate leaders. For too longmany of them viewed it as a safety net.

First, as many have suggested, if the feds become involved the corporate executives responsible for the failed company should only receive a governmentsalary. But more is needed.

So if federal regulators becomeinvolved, all supplemental, deferred, and other non-salary compensation should be immediately canceled. Beyond that, federal regulators should also have the option of terminating officers, forcing the corporateboard to find new leadership.

After all, if someone is running a company so poorly that it goes under, why should one get paid enormous sums for one's incompetence? If a company goes under, those responsible should not be rewarded. And after the recent federal bailouts, some corporate officers are likely considering seeking thesame bailout.

As my grandmother was fond of saying, if you reward bad behavior all you are going to get is more bad behavior.

Reckless and irresponsible individuals like those at the companies mentioned above give decent corporate managers a bad name. When financialmeltdowns occur, the public’s outrage drives government to take over part of the private sector. When the government does so, it replacesirresponsible executives with unaccountable bureaucrats.

That takes us out of the frying pan and into the fire. To prevent that outcome, corporate officers must be made accountable.

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Mr. Blackwell, a contributing editor at Townhall.com, is a senior fellow at the Family Research Council and American Civil Rights Union.
 
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"We, the People..."
Until "we"- who are, unfortunately, woefully ignorant of both politics and economics - can bestir ourselves to understand and vote for ethical behavior in both political and business ventures, corporate managements and politicians will cheerfully abuse us. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

"A democracy cannot survive as a permanent form of government. It can last
only until its citizens discover that they can vote themselves largesse from
the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority (who vote) will vote
for the candidates promising the greatest benefits from the public purse,
with the result that a democracy will always collapse from loose fiscal
policies, always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest democratic nations has been 200
years. Each has been through the following sequence: From bondage to
spiritual faith, from faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from
liberty to abundance, from abundance to complacency, from complacency to
selfishness, from selfishness to apathy, from apathy to dependency, and from
dependency back again into bondage." -- Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1747-1813), Scottish jurist and historian. Professor of Universal History at Edinburgh University in the late 18th Century. From the 1801 Collection of his lectures.

Eileen
I no longer have confidence in the Republicans in Congress to do the right thing, either. They had control for a number of years recently and spent money like...well, I would say like drunken sailors except that the sailors spend their own money. A Republican Congress also backed George W. in passing some very liberal legislation.

Don't forget how the American people had to whip Republicans as well as Democrats into line last summer over the McCain-Kennedy illegal alien amnesty attempt.

A pox on both their houses.


United Socialist States of America
How quaint that some actually believe that those assuming great risks should assume the losses also. That's what the American taxpayer is for - at least in our country's new socialized, nationalized form.


What this actually proves
The recent "Financial meltdown" proves two things. First, The market works. When companies make bad decisions, they go out of business. Second, the government DOESN'T work. By propping up failed companies, no matter the reason, they set us all up for more of this in the future. I guess I can forget about ever retiring, because I can't help but know that without the help of the government taking all my money, I'll never afford it now.

I never recommend websites
However, this one is worth it.

http://www.voteyesforlife.com

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HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!
If their companies fail under their watch, no bonuses and incentives apply! They need to go down with the ship!

What is wrong with the President holding people in his administration accountable? Years ago leaders had much more of a commitment to their positions. If something went wrong during their watch, they resigned! Now they don't, and we don't even get an inkling that the President will hold them accountable by firing them!

We need to go back to values and morals. Greed is not good! Greed is bad! Responsibility is good...more of these corporate and government leaders need to step up to the plate and take responsiblity for their poor leadership...resign like a man or be fired! That is what they do to workers on down the line in their companies..."what is good for the goose is good for the gander"...and it should be the same for them and even more so!

I believe that President Elect McCain and Vice President Elect Palin will bring the honor, integrity and commitment to making Washington work again! They will bring about the reforms and changes America needs and wants!

But America, like in corporations, it is time to fire the people responsible for stalemating our legislation. Let's start with the Speaker of the failed Democratic House - Marie Antoinette Pelosi and her democratic cronies! If you live in their districts, you have the power of your one vote to get rid of them! They are responsible for the partisan stalemates that are taking place today!

Let's clean house on all members up for re-election this year. If you feel your representative is not representing you and your views, cast them out with your vote!

We can change America...but a Republican President needs a Republican lead Congress in order to put in place the changes we need.

It is up to each of us...I'm going to do my part and I, hope, you will also!

MaryJo #47: Here is the link to

"oncealwaysmarine's" blog.

He has a wealth of information that he's researched and put on his blog....

http://oncealwaysamarine.blogtownhall.com/

The other blog that is EXCELLENT is Retired Geek's blog...


Stop Rewarding bad behavior!
Vote Obama

No More!!!!!
No more giving money to failed companies!!! If Bush and Company push through a bailout I will never vote for a Republican again as long as I live. I don't care if the Librocrats are running Satan for office! I guess the only Liberty left in this country is from accountability for one's own actions.

In shock
My Goodness a sensible not bigoted argument, on this website.
I would never have imagined it. Did you come to the wrong place.

Regulation doesnt mean bureaucracy or unaccountable bureaucrats.

For example we have laws to keep civil peace and they are followed but we don't make the police accountable for a murder do we?

Bipartisan problem
I agree that it is a bipartisan problem caused by both parties. It is going to need a bipartisan solution. However....that's NOT going to happen in an election year. So We The People are going to be the losers.

Also, wait and see if this happens. The banks that own all those vacant properties are going to have to doze most of them. Think about it, nobody can afford to buy them and the banks can't afford to keep them up. Plus the oversupply is ruining property values. Doze 'um!!!

Obama Luvs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac $$
Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008


PACs total from top three individuals:

Dodd, Christopher J S CT D $165,400
Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349
Kerry, John S MA D $111,000


Last Place:
McCain, John S AZ R $21,550

Virginia Lady Character Crisis
"from predatory lenders to predatory borrowers"
How true.

Ken Blackwell is right.
We should not reward the constructors of this debacle with continued personal prosperity.


I want a complete criminal ...
Investigation of this whole debacle. Those who have committed crimes need to go to jail.
Democrat...Republican...Independent...whatever. I want names and heads! :)

HOW TO GET RID OF PELOSI

.....45CALIBER ...

.....Tie a set of antlers on her head and give her a 30 second head start in the woods ...then turn Sarah loose with a Winchester bolt action rifle .....COLOSSUS

Anne I'm conservative
and I didn't know that.
People need to know.

The libs probably don't know.....
In 2003 the Bush administration recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crises 10 yrs. before.

NOTE: Clinton didn't do it... Pres. Bush tried!

And guess who stood in the way???

1. National Assoc. of Home Builders

2. Congressional Democrats (who did not want more regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.)

UNDER THE RADAR
The most feared words EVER:
I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Now we see what has happened when the Guvmint says let the moochers get their houses without having a credit rating or even having to make payments in many instances.
Meanwhile, the suckers who bust their humps to meet the mortgage get nailed yet again.
But the Guvmint pulled a gotcha a long time ago with their beloved OSHA.
HOW?
Have you noticed that there are no more "snoops" (safety engineers) from the insurance companies coming around to see if your factory or other outfit is operating safely?
NOPE. The insurance companies figured that the business community would be happier to have REDUCED PREMIUM by getting rid of those high-priced safety engineers and letting OSHA do all the inspecting AFTER SOME AWFUL ACCIDENT HAPPENS.
Or maybe after some disgruntled employee complains.
The problem is that business couldn't care less about a $10,000.00 or $50,000.00 fine from OSHA for some infraction or death of an employee whereas in the past they were scared WITLESS about losing their insurance!
Have you noticed those Tower Cranes toppling recently and how local town/city inspectors said they looked and/or there was some scandal about the "inspections?"
Those insurance engineers used to climb up those towers, inspect those cranes and - if they didn't follow every line in a manufacturer's checklist - would toddle back to the office to have a chat with the Underwriter about pulling the insurance coverage.
It used to work that way.
NOT ANY MORE.
Just like the present $$$$$$$$ crisis. The Government stuck its nose into an area where it EFED UP ROYALLY once more.
And just wait until Obama becomes POTUS if you think it's bad now!

Finally, someone states the obvious
I hope John McCain gives you a position of responsibility in his administration.

Stonned

It's ludicrous and counter-productive to try to blame this on Democrats to the exclusion of Republicans. As I said, you are part of the PROBLEM here, not part of the solution. The facts are so obvious, i.e. that a mix of greedy executives, faulty buusiness models, political corruption, regulatory incompetence, and political boondoggles caused this that it takes a true moron to miss the picture

For example, you want to blame it all on Democrats. But here is a list of Bush administration "accomplishments" in 2003, as listed by the whitehouse.

President Bush signed the $200 million-per-year American Dream Downpayment Act which will help approximately 40,000 families each year with their downpayment and closing costs.

The Administration proposed the Zero-Downpayment Initiative to allow the Federal Housing Administration to insure mortgages for first-time homebuyers without a downpayment. Projections indicate this could generate over 150,000 new homeowners in the first year alone.

President Bush proposed a new Single Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit to increase the supply of affordable homes.

The President has proposed to more than double funding for the Self-Help Homeownership Opportunity Program (SHOP), where government and non-profit organizations work closely together to increase homeownership opportunities.

The President proposed $2.7 billion in USDA home loan guarantees to support rural homeownership and $1.1 billion in direct loans for low-income borrowers unable to secure a mortgage through a conventional lender. These loans are expected to provide 42,800 homeownership opportunities to rural families across America.







Heads Should Roll
But don't count on it if Obama wins the election. Him and his friends are to involved.

http://blog.topicaltopics.net/2008/09/obama-and-freddie-and -fannie-and-crooks/

Go easy, folks
I was writing software for a major mortgage company and know what hoops they had to jump through.

The initial problem started with a POLITICAL decision based on equal outcome (sound familiar?), not equal access. The default rates for whites and blacks was the same, although the approval rate was different. That means that the loan officers (who did NOT know the race of the potential borrower - that datum wasn't sent to them) who assessed risk were making fair decisions based on nothing more than the ability to repay the loan. All changed for the worse when the equal-outcome push superceded good sense.

Now mortgage companies were encouraged (forced, when the governmanet makes a "suggestion") to make riskier loans. The greedy lenders did not bother require income-asset-liability verification (a huge percentage lied on their applications), and the default rate rose, creating the worthless paper. Of course, the Congressmen were happy to get their fat contributions, and looked the other way when the problem first surfaced. The stupid "regulators" did nothing. They should all be fired and jailed, and the Congressmen impeached and jailed. Only idiots would try to place this on a political party or a few executives. Place the blame on socialist policies in both parties, and an over-reaching by extra-Constitutional agencies that should be disbanded immediately.

No bail-outs is what I'd like, but what do we do now with the foreclosed facing eviction? The defaulted properties?

Oh, yeah - can we please now start teaching real economics in our schools and not "make anything but gold and silver a tender in the payment of debts"?

Jack, read Baseballdoc's 10:58am post
If the prevailing political doctrine of one party (DEMS) has been co-opted to promote socialism, this must be identified, revealed, offered up for the uneducated masses to vote on. It would be convenient to blame the Dem's actions on Bush hatred, and the possibility that their actions to paint Bush as evil, went too far (they opened Pandora's box and can't figure out how to close it) Harry Reid doesn't know what to do about Wall Street. He said so. And yet his party's push for every poor person to have the "American Dream" is why we are here today. And the players in this drama all have a D behind their political ideology (Gorelick, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, B H Obama, Joe Biden, etc) You have to know where the bad cancer cells are before you can remove them, and have a chance at recovery. If a Repub pops up, out they go. We are still waiting for the cash in the freezer man from Louisiana to be punished, aren't we? What is up with that, mr. Democrat?

Assessing the fault
I would suggest that everyone spend a little time and view this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

Franklin Raines is still on of Obama's top economic advisors.

I agree wholeheartedly with the columnist. Why are these corporate officers being paid these excessive amounts. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were quasi-governmental corporations ........... who had ties too close to the United States Congress.

Going Once...
As I said, those of you who are trying desperately to find a way to blame one side or the other for this debacle are the PROBLEM, not the solution.

Democrats and Republicans alike contributed to this fiasco. Anyboy who thinks other wise is a blind, partisan idiot.

They eliminated the Uptick Rule
in July, which was put in place after the Great Depression to keep short sellers from driving companies into the ground too quickly to take measures to save themselves. We just saw the effect of that.

A lack of transparency in some companies kept some investors in the dark and prevented others from coming to their aid. These are serious issues that can't be sloughed off as "more regulations mean less success." Some laws are good laws.

There is also a difference between a bailout and a collateralized loan, which AIG just received, and if those short sellers hadn't taken control of that stock, AIG wouldn't have needed one. Just saying... otherwise, I totally agree, irresponsibility shouldn't be rewarded on Wall Street or anyplace else. Thanks for pounding that drum.

Ludwig von Mises Institute Article
I would be interested to know anyone's thoughts on an article published by the Mises Institute:

http://mises.org/story/3111




Congressionally created
If you were a member of congress and against allowing companies to create these rediculous loans you were a racist. Congress decided EVERYONE should have the opportunity at the "American Dream" and allowed Freddie Mac and Fannnie Mae to run amuck. Just as congress has done through out the last century they made the law and closed their eyes while collecting the lobby money.

Another example of how congress manages to destroy the opportunities they say they would like to create, many families were encouraged to break up because of the supposed aid for children and other federal grants.

STOP HELPING congress.

What if
The government nationalizes much of the financial sector, sells all the assets it is acquiring at "market" prices and retires the public debt and solves the social security insolvency issue?

Just dreaming.

The Railroads started it ...
About thirty years ago the rail lines got into terrible shape. The government gave them $3 billion because "we need to keep the rail lines running." Then it was the Savings and Loan. (I will admit that it wasn't all the S&L fault. The government set up a program that encouraged them to make bad loans.) Then it was something else. Now they use the tax money to bail out their friends while letting their political opponents go under.

And every industry has its hand out, each giving a worse story than the previous one.

Want to get rid of Pelosi?
The best way would be to vote her out of office. But that is unlikely since her district is hand-picked by the Democrats out of San Fransico.

The second best way, which IS possible, is to vote in a Republican Congress. Then there would be a new Speaker of the House and Pelosi would be shoved aside - which she deserves.


This article is right...
...and we need to let those in power know, that WE know. Write to your "representatives" in the House and Senate. Let them know WE are aware of the way Congress has taken money from Freddie and Fannie for years, and looked the other way as they made bad loans. It's all well and good to respond to an opinion piece...but let YOUR opinion be known to the people we put in charge! Let them know WE THE PEOPLE have had enough of bailing out corporations. I say ENOUGH! Let a few of them fail...maybe then they'll learn fiscal responsibility.

ARE WE THERE YET?
WHAT DO DEMOCRATS WANT?


.....They want SOCIALISM ...and what better way to
accomplish that ...than by sabotaging FREE ENTERPRISE
& CAPITALISM ...

.....If the DEMOCRATS can convince enough voters that
free markets do not work ...by voting against all
development of Fossil Fuels and Nuclear Power ...so
that the economy is on the verge of collapse ...then
they can "SAVE THE DAY" with SOCIALIST" programs ...

.....POLONIUS: "Though this be maddness, yet there is
method in't" ...

.....Several decades ago F. A. Hayek wrote a book titled, "The Road to Serfdom" ...it was a blueprint for how a government based on Capitalism could evolve into a Socialist State through a centralized planned economy ...I fear, with the nationalization of Freddy, Fanny and AIG, that we are approaching the end of that road ...

.....A few years back a friend complained that he did not understand Liberals ...I responded that they were easy to understand if you knew what their ultimate goals were i.e....Marxism, the destruction of Capitalism to be replaced with Socialism ...the game plan was to drive big businesses to the verge of bankruptcy and then step in with government bailouts and takeovers ...are we there yet? .....COLOSSUS

SPECIAL PROSECUTOR?

.....JERSEYVET ...

.....Great post but the chances of a Special Prosecutor with Pelosi and Reid in charge is nil ...

.....I hope McCain is able to get the facts out to the public before the MSM can blame Bush and the Republicans for this mess .....COLOSSUS

insanity
Who gives a loan to someone who cannot cover it and has no income with which to make payments?

Someone who then turns around and sells the mortgage to someone else who combines it with sound mortgages and sells them as bonds to a third someone. When number three finds out that the bonds he bought from some respected firm may be worthless, he sells them off for anything he cam get, even if it's a pittance.

When it was the Housing Market..........
And Jobs, Congress sat on its hands and did nothing.
When it was off shore oil to ease the crunch on the average family it was nothing.
Now to say their supporters and bank accounts, they throw the money at the issue by the truck load.
This is DNC politics, a set of rules for the elitest wealthy rich off the sweat of others, and one for us. I am really tired of it and them. I find them offensive and rude.
It is time to revolt, more than ever in this election and the one to follow. It is time to take it all back and rid America of its worse Party ever. The DNC

I cannot agree to disagree…
The problem has more than one cause alone. The biggest problem is “GREED” and that tops the list next comes “EGOS” or “CLASS” call this what you will and I will call it big money. The fact is simply this and that is no one wants Gov. to stick their nose into business so Lobby groups such as AIG invest billions of dollars in order to have “CONGRESS” look the other way. This money also buys “Congress” to keep their mouth shut when they know the economy is in fact, in trouble.

Each and every time such as the Saving and Loan problem, Enron, and now Mac and May not to mention AIG the American Middle Class “has” got to pay to bail them out. Now the Airline’s and the Automakers have their hand out looking for a bail out. Why? The Congress and the President say so; that’s right the same people that have been paid off to make sure big money keeps it and has no worries what so ever, say so.

It takes a lot of brass to blame the consumer for inflation and overpricing when it is business that sets the price and believes thay can charge whatever they want and no repercussions will come from it just like the never ending story.

As you see now someone lied straight up and one more time the middle class or the sheep have got to bail out bad business to the tune of some 825 billion dollars or more to date!

Wait!

The liberal would say “HOW DARE YOU USE MY MONEY FOR ….” Do you here it now? Taking our money to bail them out is ok! Just ask them…

First Blush
The first reaction to John McCain calling for a 9/11 type commission, in response to the banking crisis was, what a typically politician type response. Then when it was revealed the connection between politicians and Freddie and Fannie May it has become clear that we MUST HAVE a commission.

Freddie and Fannie were allowed to create terrible, irresponsible loans and what were we to expect of the rest of the mortgage industry? They were going to wait for Freddie and Fannie to rake in big profits without them?

Our government failed us. This must be investigated. But are we to believe Nancy Pelosi or Harry Ried will be willing to investigate Obama, Dodd, Hillary, or any of the republicans on the banking commissions and their connection with the corruption?


Let's Hammer the Real Villains
Agree, Mr. Blackwell. Corporate Boards of Directors should be held accountable, but, more important, conservatives should be calling for a Special Prosecutor to look into Fannie Mae and Freddie Max. These two quasi-governmental institutions served as a slush fund for Congress. Not only did they contribute large funds, mostly to Democrats, but they also served as sinecures for former Democrat government employees who quickly became millionaires by holding down staff positions at these two bloated monstrosities.

The underlying problems
The melt down is the result of a confluence of different factors. Corporate pay structure is some of them. Over confidence in laissez-faire policies another. Government inaction/failure of oversight is another.

But the underlying problem is exhibited right here. The TH reaction...find a way to blame the Democrats. I am sure someone somewhere else is trying to find a way to blame the Republicans. As a result, the "solutions" will be based on the blame game.

And nothing will change.

Morality
There has been a concerted effort, since the 60's, to eliminate any objective standard of right or wrong from society. We are now reaping the "benefits" of this.
Sarbanes -Oxley was supposed to "fix" this type of behavior. But, much like campaign finance reform, the unscrupulous have found ways around it. It has always been this way- all kinds of malfeasance can go on under a polished corporate veneer. What prevented this kind of problem was the morality of the individuals involved. Sure, wrongdoing happened, but it was the exception, not the rule.
We went from objective standards of right and wrong to a "no controlling legal authority" mentality. How sad.

Re: Oh Boy???
Look, when you people in charge of overseeing these corperations and they don't blow whisles it is because their buddies in Congress will get the mud in the face problem. Dodd and Obama were the biggest of all the Congressional boys that got kickbacks from these corps. Come on, the regulation starts with congress, especially the Dems!!!

Responsibility
I agree that those in charge should be held accountable and their perks and pay cut when company performance goes in the tank, and it should be retroactive back to when performance started downward.
Some blame should go toward the government as far as bad mortgages are concerned.
The necessity of a downpayment and verifiable income was the standard until the Economic Revitalization Act mandated social engineering and forced lenders into verifiably stupid lending practices in order to avoid the possibility of Congressional assistance with their lending practices.
When Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac needed to change their ways in the last few years, Congress, Barnie Franks in particular, prevented any changes from occurring.
It's too bad that we can't go back and retrieve the bonuses that were passed out to people like Jamie Gorelic who was never a financial expert until she joined Fannie Mae as a VP.
Lastly, this may or may not make you feel better, but there are hundreds of mortgage companies and loan companies who have gone out of business in the last year or two. It's just the big ones that make the headlines and distort our views of how the world is operating.

Bad home loans
are not much different than student loans.

How many people do you know who have defaulted on their student loans?

I use to work in the apartment industry. We conducted credit checks on prospective tenants. I was told that if someone had bad student loans, those black marks on their credit histories could be ignored. The prevailing philosophy was “Everyone has bad student loans.”

It was believed that so many people had defaulted on student loans it wasn’t even considered aberrant behavior anymore.

So much for responsibility.

This entire thing started because
the dems like barney frank de-regulated the banks so the "poor" could buy homes..nice thought, but most of the poor are that way because they make bad choices and are irresponsible.
That's why credit histories are important and having to have a stake in the home with a down-payment was important and most important was having a freakin JOB making enough to pay for it with no more than 28% being allocated for the mortgage and taxes.
All that went away and people were given 200K loans on a 30K income which didn't even have to be verified....insane!

If the banks weren't held to a standard, they jumped in and people got rich originating loans, selling them and everyone got big commisions knowing full well the taxpayers would get stuck.

Irresponsibility all around and we damnwell need to stop it. McCain tried 3 years ago..the dems and the "poor" own obama, your call.

Who indeed?
"Who gives a loan to someone who cannot cover it and has no income with which to make payments?"

CEO's who want to artifically pump up their company's sales and profits, that's who.

These corporate execs give loans to thousands of people and it looks like their business is going gang-busters. Of course, by the time it becomes obvious that those loans will not be repaid, the CEO's and other execs have already made their billions and moved on, or jumped ship as the case may be.

Rights and responsibilities:
The problem goes beyond exec's to each individual who screams about THEIR RIGHTS but refuse to accept ANY responsibility.The truth is with EVERY RIGHT comes RESPONSIBILITY.

Inmates run the Prisons.
The deregulation of banking is tantamount to allowing the inmates to run the prisons. John McCain is directly complicit in the terrorist attacks on Wall Street this week. ...............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/09/18/wall-street-terrorize s-america/

Business ethics is an oxymoron but
makes political ethics look like gospel. Hud didn't require any more than a TIN (taxpayer id number) to make a loan. Hello illegals! NIJA loans, 125% LTV for no doc refi? Just charge 5 points and the gov is happy cause poor people got a piece of the American Dream. And where was our demicratic controlled congress over the last 2 years? Doing everything in their power to make Bush look bad ( even ruin the economy) Any one seen Chuckie Shumer since the IndyBank days? Thanks Chuckie! ANY OF you nitwits that vote for these crooks (look for the D after their name) should be ashamed!

It's a bailout, it's disgusting...
Government bailouts of poorly run companies, STINK. Also, there is something fundamentally wrong when the executives of these losers are able to walk away with millions of dollars.

For those of us in our sixties, there is no tomorrow. It will be years before the market recovers. The American auto companies are next in the government bailout line.

Business ethics is an oxymoron.

Bad behaviour
You can parse this how you wish, however, I believe that Fannie and Freddie were the catalyst of the economic meltdown which followed. These mortgage lenders were issuing mortgages to people with no income and no assets. That is simply insane. Who gives a loan to someone who cannot cover it and has no income with which to make payments? Furthermore no one was held responsible then or now. I want blood in the water, now! I want Barney Frank's (democrat oversight for Freddie and Fanny) head on a platter. After Freddie and Fannie it was all down hill from there. Its not over yet. Government should have let all of them collapse. It would be bloo*y painful but we would have gotten real market reform which was long overdue. Then we'd see those responsible get theirs.

In unhinged capitalism
the profits are privatized and losses socialized.

On the other hand: let's imagine Feds allow AIG to bankrupt... what would the consequences be? Or do you even care? Are you all so well off that all major banks or insurance companies collapsing would have no effect on you? Do you all work for federal government?

This crisis is direct result of the politics of greed GOP has encouraged. Celebrate the results of unhinged capitalism. This is what you have wanted (no restrictions, no oversight, only raw markets) , now embrace it.





About the AIG Loan - Bailout? Not!
Are you all aware that you now own AIG? The deal was that the government got 79.9% of AIG, a company that had $3T in assets. Quite a deal, Trump says, and he ought to know! The government left AIG 20.1% on which to make profits so they can repay the $85B within 2 years, along with nearly $10B/year in interest.

Do you also know that AIG was not too big to bail out? It was too intertwined with 130 countries and numerous banks, etc. and would have brought down many more entities.

Do you know that if AIG had been allowed to go bankrupt that the states would have had to pay on all AIG policies? Do you know that the maximum cash payout would have been $100,000 and the maximum policy payout would have been $300,000?

Do any of you have retirement accounts with AIG?

Do you know what would have happened to those retirement plans that had money invested in AIG?

Were any of you one of the 116,000 people who work for AIG?

Were any of you shareholders in AIG?

The government effectively used AIG as an example of how they would liquidate companies who couldn't take care of business themselves.

Bailout? Not!

Restructure - No More Fed
Ken is right - poor management is partly responsible and accountability is needed desperately.

However, the Fed has altogether too much power for a private entity, which it is. Our economy needs to be restructured without them. Greenspan almost singlehandedly brought on these massive problems we are surviving today.

It is apparent the US is ready for a change. More and more people in authority are speaking out against the Fed and its operations.

But, never fear. The US is resilient, as is the American spirit. While we wait to vet defined alternatives, we will manage just fine.

Living Beyond Their Means!
It's started in the housing industry and shows no sign of slowing down any time soon, I hate to say it but there'll be more government bailouts, then again we could unload some of these insolvent companies on the Chinese they seem to be in a buying mood as of late with all that Sovereign Wealth Fund money burning a hole in their trade deficit pockets, so our kids might have to absorb some lead paint into their blood streams, big deal, that's what ritalin is for.
Anyway a substantial number of us live beyond our means and then cry wolf when they need a bailout knowing full well said wolf is a predator.

Part IV
Another major problem is that many CEOs have, as a result of indoctrination in Ivy League business schools, bought into the bogus notion of corporate social responsibility. When the gov't declared that banks must provide more loans to those with poor credit (subprime), the CSR types jumped into action like lemmings.

Part III
If we had just allowed AIG to suffer whatever fate the free markets had in store for it, insurance customers and investors would be much, much more careful about whom they do business with in the future. Maybe shareholders and boards would finally get the message that extravagant golden parachutes and other safety nets for CEOs are just plain stupid. They need to hold CEOs more accountable for their actions, which, coupled with removing once and for all the assumed federal safety net for the very largest of companies, is the only way to get CEOs to exercise better judgment.

Part II
Too many people have jumped on the bandwagon claiming that AIG was just too big to allow to fail. It would have caused another Great Depression. First, that's overly hysterical. Many commercial and individual policyholders have small stakes in AIG. None of them would suffer catastrophic failure if AIG went out of business tomorrow. But the Chicken Littles insist that business as we know it would grind to a halt. They're so over the top that they shouldn't deserve rebuttal, but almost everyone sounds like that today.

Yes!
It's refreshing to read a Republican who still trusts free markets in the long run, even if there is occasional pain in the short run. It's called the business cycle. Gov't can only make it worse. In the last few decades, that has usually manifested itself as the federal gov't minimizing and delaying the effects of a contraction or shake-out, while simultaneously providing even greater incentives (a federal safety net for failed companies) for taking excessive risks. Of course, that means the market corrections the gov't has delayed (until the next election) will now be more severe than they had to be without misguided gov't manipulation.

Virginia Lady
A MOST astute observation!

Ignorance
When are We The People going to wake up to what is being done to this country by the Greedy, Lying , Cheating Lawyers , CEO's , and Politician's. They have ruined this country with payoffs, earmarks and the not runing this Country by the Laws of the Land.The bickering between the parties is senseless. The Congress has failed this Country with there failures to do what is Right for We The People. .The Illegals are breaking our system and nothing is being done. The Democratic party has done nothing for the last 2 years and look what has happened to this country. They control the monies People not the President. Wake Up America and lets make total changes in Washington or there will be no America for your childrens future.

Not a financial crisis
As I said to dh this week as the financial news got worse and worse, "We don't have a financial crisis in this country. We have a character crisis."

From predatory lenders to predatory borrowers, far too many people have been living like irresponsible adolescents. Unfortunately, the are taking the few remaining adults down with them.

I fear for my country.
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