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Wednesday, January 07, 2009
Janice Shaw Crouse :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Popularity of Teen Pregnancy
by Janice Shaw Crouse
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When the data showed a decline in teen pregnancies, teen abortions, and teen sexual activity, the mainstream media barely noticed. Almost nobody heralded that landmark accomplishment which coincided with more widespread abstinence programs in schools and community programs. However, now that the National Center for Health Statistics of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has reported a slight increase in teen births, it is making headlines.

Let’s get one thing straight at the outset: the increase in teen births was primarily in the 18- to 19- year-old group — in other words, primarily college students who have entered an alcohol-and-hook-up saturated environment where only the strong can stand up against the peer pressure, rampant promiscuity, co-ed dorms, and anything-goes culture. It brings me no satisfaction to make that point; these 18- to 19-year-old young women are still teens, and their well-being is just as threatened by pregnancy and STDs from promiscuous, too-early sexual activity as it is with the younger teens. Nonetheless, the images most formed in people’s minds when they think of teen pregnancy are of 14- to 16-year-old high school girls.

Is the rising popularity of teen pregnancy any wonder? The media is trumpeting the notion that out-of-wedlock births are all the rage these days. The stories and images targeted to impressionable teens that are being broadcast through various mass media are shaped in ways that glorify the idea and simplify the issues surrounding the pregnancy of a young teenaged girl.

A new family-time show on ABC promises to depict “a new kind of family.” The soap opera-type show called “The Secret Life of the American Teenager” averages an astounding 3.5 million viewers. The program features a 15-year-old high school student who discovers that she is pregnant. Supposedly, the drama gives the audience an opportunity to glimpse the trauma as a young, middle-class girl deals with her surprise pregnancy. A California media professor praised the show for breaking stereotypes and claimed, “It can happen to anyone.” Oh? Not exactly. Only a girl who has engaged in sex can get pregnant.

A major goal, said one critic, is to show that pregnancy does not just happen to the “slutty girls,” though it is hard to say in today’s world of rampant casual sex what is considered “slutty.” Media programmers cited Bristol Palin and Jamie Lynn Spears as examples of the range of socio-economic backgrounds of teenaged girls who become pregnant.

The ABC show actual traffics in its own set of stereotypes. The fairy tale pregnancy is depicted through predictably rose-colored glasses by glossing over the realities of teen pregnancy. And the glamour treatment of teen pregnancy in the media fails to address the complexity of handling the details of school, pregnancy, finances, and paperwork. If you believe the media depiction, pregnancy consists of cute little outfits, adolescent figures still intact with nothing more than an adorable “baby bump,” all the details fall into place magically, and the result is a blissful little mother whose lifestyle isn’t marred by 3 a.m. feedings or colic. No, all her friends look on her experience with envy and wide-eyed awe at her sudden emergence into adulthood; the teen continues on with her life the same in all respects, except for the added joy in the end of a beautiful, gurgling baby that she adores and everyone else admires.

The reality is that unmarried teen pregnancy is a sad event. Sarah Palin poignantly wrote of her daughter’s situation: Pregnancy makes a teen grow up too fast; the road ahead for a pregnant teen is a very difficult and hard path. Parents today face enough obstacles in trying to teach their kids about consequences without television presenting a mythical, sugar-coated treatment of a serious subject like teenage sex. One could be excused for thinking that the media is pruriently pushing teen sex; after all, we rarely see positive treatments of families, of people who have deep faith that affects their behavior, or of adults who live out the traditional Judeo-Christian values.

We need to face some negative facts: One widely publicized study reported that girls, on average, lose their virginity at age 15, and over half of them use no contraception. They left the impression that “everyone is doing it, so all teens should join right in.” Another study reported that virginity pledges don’t work. That study actually compared religious teenagers who took the pledge with religious teens who didn’t, rather than comparing religious teens who took the pledge with non-religious teens who didn’t — quite a distortion! So the media went crazy over a finding based on an erroneous comparison.

Little attention has been paid to an analysis of the study by Dr. Bernadine Healy, health editor of U.S. News and World Report, who was formerly head of the National Institutes of Health and the American Red Cross. Dr. Healy accurately pointed out that it was the religious commitment of a teen, rather than the abstinence pledge alone, that made the difference in teen sexual behavior.

One can only wonder why so many adults seem determined to undermine abstinence efforts and are unwilling to help our teenagers find a path toward a healthy and promising future. You have to wonder why a respected, peer-reviewed journal chose to published an article based on such an obviously flawed methodology.

But there are also some positive facts that the media has no interest in publicizing: Highly religious teens engage in sex at an older age than their peers; in fact, they generally wait until after the teen years to begin sexual activity — studies indicate that religious teens begin sex at 21 years of age and non-religious ones at 17. A girl with a positive relationship with her father is less likely to engage in teen sex. In other words, family structure, family interaction, and a family’s faith have dramatic influence on a teen’s behavior.

Why do we not have popular programs geared toward impressionable teens that portray authentic religious faith and strong families in a positive light?

How sad that American pop culture — television, movies, and the Internet — actively undermine those influences that would encourage teens to greater well-being. How sad that in the media innocence is scorned and our teens are engulfed in a polluted culture that encourages them to question traditional values, kick aside Judeo-Christian beliefs, and lose their virginity as soon as possible.

Little wonder the streams of American life are turning bitter, when the wells from which they originate are poisoned.

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Wonder
I sometimes wonder if Hollywood isn't trying to encourage more teens to have sex so they can find a few to sleep with. I'm waiting for the TV show that has a forty-ish man hitting on a 15 year old girl as a comedy. And of course she and her parents enjoy it.

There are few girls who engage in early sex UNLESS THERE IS NOTHING AGAINST IT AT HOME. Most of the girls I see here in Texas who have children at a young age, married or not, are encouraged to do so by their parents. One boy of 20 told me that his parents were trying to get him to get at least one girl friend pregnant so they could have more grandkids. His two sisters had five kids between them (they were younger than him) and neither had married. His parents thought it was great to have the grandkids around. One grandmother encouraged her daughter to get pregnant twice before she was eighteen (while refusing to let the girl marry the boy) and then tried to sue for custody when the girl and boy got married and wanted the kids. Her argument was that she couldn't have kids any more and her daughter could. Therefore the judge should let her keep the two kids since she wanted babies around.

I doubt if it is much different in other parts of the country. If the press wants to make up some statistics to show anything, let them check that.

Here's a possible reason:
The people in charge of the universities and the media now are the same ones who ran the counterculture in the 60's. This is their lifestyle that they're trying to push onto newer generations. Either they still believe in tearing down traditional culture, or they are trying to justify their own behavior and therefore legitimize it, knowing full well it's destructive and not caring a whit about it. It's evil and destructive either way.

Only a newer generation with a resurgence of morality and traditional mores can rescue the nation from this, but the current people in charge are doing their level best to prevent it. Onward, rebels!

Why do they print this woman?
This is an example of why I don't like most of Crouse's articles:

"Why do we not have popular programs geared toward impressionable teens that portray authentic religious faith and strong families in a positive light?"

Because a PROGRAM that PORTRAYS the faith of OTHER PEOPLE is useless in this situation. It is actually LIVING their personal religious CONVICTIONS that helps the religious teenagers. You can't artificially manufacture market that kind of thing for mass consumption. To even suggest it is to completely misunderstand the depth and breadth of the problem.

NOW Is Partly At Fault
The National Organisations of Women has encouraged teen pregnacys by promoting the VICTIM culture for women instead of presenting SUCESSFUL and SELF-SEFICIANT women as role models.

It's the same with all Liberals: without perpetual victims, their cause ends. If the "libbers" of the sixties and seventies publicly announced that women have achieved everything they had demanded, NOW would no longer get funding or members; their leaders would have to close up shop and get REAL jobs.

Poor teens
I feel sorry for any teen who is trying to remain chaste today...their's is an uphill battle whether they are religious or not. There is absolutely no support for chastity in our society and little in our churches. Worst of all, the adults in their lives are not good role models either. How many teens have parents who are still married to each other and who waited until they got married to have sex themselves?

Promiscuity in the "Summer of Love"
Growing up in the late '60's was a "blast" for me. I "did" it with numerous teen girls who had been brainwashed by all the hoopla, "make love, not war" BS. We all grew up, and since we were from a relatively small town, we all married local girls we had grown up with. I attended the 10 year reunion. I can't tell you how strange it was to be introduced to some of the the husbands of many of these girls, that were so "loose" in High school. I felt very uncomfortable talking to these women and their husbands...carnal knowledge of someone elses wife... I have brought up this discomfort with some of my friends today and they just say that it's no big deal anymore. ..sort of like "urinating"...no intimacy anymore....kind of sad.

Teen Pregnancy
There is no shame in teen pregnancy or unwed pregnancy of any age. It has come to be the 'style'. We are not better for it.

Every child needs two parents. Sometimes that is not possible through no fault of their own,but when possible,a mom and dad are preferable.

The genie is out of the bottle and nothing short of a change of heart and mind will stop the damage done to children and society. Illegitimacy is robbing children,taxpayers and pride in doing the right thing.


And no one
ever talks about the future marriage prospects of these girls. Or what it is like for their illegitimate child if mom ever does marry. And can anyone imagine how much fun it would be to be raised by a single teenage mother til you are like 10 or 12 then she does manage to snare a husband and has cute little babies with him -- leaves you odd man out in many ways.

Lulu
Between Two Worlds: The Inner Lives of Divorce by Marquardt addresses what it is like to be a child going back and forth between Mom and Dad (if you're lucky) while your half siblings stay in a stable home. You're right. It sucks.

It covers divorce in general, but it would apply to children of never married parents.

OOps!
Should have read ...Inner Lives of Children of Divorce...

Teen beauty
A woman is at her most attractive in her teen years so she attracts a mate who looks at her when she is 60 and sees the 16 yr old beauty in her.

How sad
How sad, that people like Janice Shaw Crouse are angry, bitter women; unhappy in writing and in example.

Conservatives have the answer as to why they get ignored staring right at them in the mirror. They are seen by people as unhappy, miserable and repressed.

Why would a teenager want to be like Janice Shaw Crouse? Ann Coulter? or pick your favorite conservative female icon?





Teen sex and pregnancy
helps break up families and throws young women, particularly, on the "largesse" of the state, a liberal desire and promotion.

wow
I have not seen the shows that Crouse is talking about, and certainly if they are glorifying teen pregnancy they deserve criticism.

But she does not help her credibility by pushing nonsense around it. The declines in teen pregnancy, teen aboprtion, and teen sexuality were highest before the increase in abstinence only education. They slowed as abortion only education became more popular. This is not surprising since every serious study has shown that abstinence only education doesn't work.

The other bit is stunning from someone who purports to be an expert. If one is going to test whether abstinence pledges work, then of course one needs to survey teens who are similar other than the pledge. Could Crouse really be ignornant of that? That would be truly stunning.

Of course that does not show that religious beliefs do not have an effect on sexual behaviors. That was not what was studied in the survey. One hopes that Crouse is misunderstanding the point made by Healy because it is even harder to imagine that Healy is making this kind of grade school error.

That is truly an embarassing error for Crouse to make.

Healy
Healy's article is here http://www.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2008/12/30/7-fa ctors-that-foster-teen-virginity-pledge-or-no-pledge.html. As expected it does not criticize the study, just the reporting on the study. Healy makes clear that the study shows what it says it does. And nobody has actually maintained that it doesn't.

As Ellen Goodman noted recently, supporters of abstinence only education have pointed to the fact that people who take those classes are more likely to take abstinence only pledges as significant. This study shows that that it is not.

Parents teaching children the values needed to put off sex is a positive thing that works. This should not be confused with reason to believe that abstinence only education works.

Sex = $
I’m not talking prostitution.

It’s expensive to raise children up.

That’s why the people that pay taxes can only have the children they can pay for.

This explains the lower birth rates of the tax payers.

Welfare should be moved up to 25 years of age, married to the father, and five year max on welfare to encourage women to wait until their ready to pay for their own kids.

I'm Reading Some Distortions Here...
I've heard about that show (which is actually on ABC FAMILY, a.k.a. the Family Channel that was created by, da-da-da-dum... Pat Robertson.) I heard this show was created by the same person who created one of the most treacly, saccharine family programs of all time, "7th Heaven". I've actually heard of praise being given to this show by the American Family Association. Yes, honest-to-goodness praise from the same group that got "Mighty Mouse" cancelled in the late '80s because they said he sniffed a flower too long, thereby implying "cocaine addiction."

Are you telling me that a show that, if I'm right, sounds almost as saccharine and treacly as "7th Heaven" is corrupting our culture? Yikes, and I thought Zed was dead when Bruce Willis Yipee-Kay-Yayed him with that samurai sword. (Oh, FYI, the actor who played Zed in "Pulp Fiction" is a personal friend of a friend of mine.)


-"Silly Rabbit. Kicks are for ribs!"
- by Homer Simpson

Lon should learn to read
Lon, you are the one who is distorting...go back and read the article. Your comments are embarrassingly off-base and your facts erroneous. Sorry guy, you were a bit too eager to attack and did not get your facts straight first.


This is not suprising

This is not suprising. Much of what Liberals believe has been told to them by others. Usually Liberal teachers, Liberal media, or Liberal entertainment.

Liberals are not deep thinkers. They don't think for themselves but have been trained to only regurgitate or parrot what others have told them to say.

Contrast that to the conservative thought process. Conservative thought process requires verification. It requires critical thinking skills. Its based on real world experience. It requires some knowledge, understanding and experimentation with human motivations.
All of the above is not part of the Liberal thought process.


Hopefully it is the realization
that an unborn child is just that, a child. Maybe we are finally seeing these young women coming to an understanding that an innocent baby should not pay with their life for the mistakes of it's mother. I'd rather see a rise in teen pregnancies that end in a live birth, than a rise in abortions. For a young voice on the issue:
http://www.gingiedmonds.com

#17...ABC is owned by DISNEY!
...not Pat Robertson. Not that it makes it any better that a 'family' name such as Disney can be linked to some 'unfamily' stuff.

School Influence
I received this in an email from a friend it was written by a 15 year old high school

student (I don't know the authors name)

With the state of schools today it's what's needed:

NEW School prayer :


Now I sit me down in school

Where praying is against the rule

For this great nation under God

Finds mention of Him very odd.

If Scripture now the class recites,

It violates the Bill of Rights.

And anytime my head I bow

Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,

That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.

The law is specific, the law is precise.

Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall

Might offend someone with no faith at all.

In silence alone we must meditate,

God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,

And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks..

They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.

To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,

And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.

It's 'inappropriate' to teach right from wrong,

We're taught that such 'judgments' do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,

Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.

But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,

No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,

When chaos reigns the school's a mess.

So, Lord, this silent plea I make:

Should I be shot; My soul please take!

Amen

I received this in a email from a 15 year old High School Student I didn't write it but Please share it with all because it shows the real state of schools and why kids are like they are.

fan
If I made all of these errors it should not be difficult for you to point one of them out and explain why it is an error. I suspect that would be what you would do if you actually had justification for what you said.

Are you contending that scientific studies should actually compare non similar groups in making their tests? Are you under the misimpression that the fall in teen pregnancy actually occurred primarily in the Bush years rather than the Clinton years?

To Rowly
you state: "There is no shame in teen pregnancy or unwed pregnancy of any age. It has come to be the 'style'. We are not better for it."

Careful Rowly. In a culture where one can easily get rid of the cause of that 'shame', we would do best to promote a culture of life, however conceived.

You then state: " Illegitimacy is robbing children,taxpayers and pride in doing the right thing."

And just what is the "right thing" once conception has taken place? Shaming the child like she needs to pay penitence? Are we back to putting a scarlet letter on her chest?

The biggest lie used for the legitimacy of abortion is being supported by those who are against it...."having a baby out of wedlock will ruin your life". Change it? Yes. Ruin it, not if you have the love and support of family AND community. Shame doesn't fit into the equation.

Teenagers will have sex. They have been having sex without the benefit of marriage, for eons, even those who grew up in religious homes. Seeing, and labeling this as "shameful" is not the answer.

Babies Are Easy
I remember it being very easy for Murphy Brown to take care of her baby. Heck, it seemed like it was barely around after she told off Dan Quayle.

Teen pregnancies are good for media hungry for a larger, less discerning audience and the advertisers who want more customers and the Leftists who want to grow the size of government.

Europe
I read somewhere that in Europe, birth rates are declining except in Muslim immigrant populations.

Should not teenage pregnancy be encouraged in Europe, to ensure that Christians outbreed the jihadists?

Stacey,

you line about teenage sex being the norm for eons needs further explanation since the incidence of teenage pregnancy increased dramatically starting in the 1960s.

Teenage pregnancy was not happening prior to the 1960s in the same numbers as it has been happening since.

News today:
CDC study finds Mississippi and Texas as the leading states for teenage pregnancies, neither of which is exactly a liberal bastion. New England states maintain their ranking as the states with the lowest teenage pregnancies, none of which is a conservative bastion. 'Kind of obliterates the arguments of the posters here who characterize US teenage pregnancies as a liberal-led problem. What happened to that conservative "verification" Co. Billy? 'Probably just like the conservative "thought process" that puts conservatives on the opposite side of the National Academy of Sciences (and every other science organization) on global warming. 'Not too many conservative PhDs in our universities. 'Amazing how you can get a PhD without the conservative "critical thinking skills".

Edna - I'm a Sunday school-teaching Christian who has never had the practice of my religion ingringed on by the government my entire life. Just express the true message of Christ and you'll be embraced by the public.

Stacey,
it would be more accurate to say: "There have always been *some* teens who have sex." When I was a teenager, in the late 60s and early 70s, a girl still got a bad reputation if she slept around and illegitimate babies were put up for adoption. The difference is now there is no incentive to remain chaste, from schools, the media, even many parents. Don't underestimate the power of societal taboos.

Do you really believe we shouldn't have shame when we sin?

Cam
I was going to state the exact same facts as contained in the CDC report but you beat me to it. these states that are bastions of conservative restraints also have the highest divorce rates.

As for Edna Eagle, she is not a bad person but a couple fo forks short - she home schools and doesn't let her kids read anything that was published after 1960.

I'm not sure what world she thinks her kids are going to have to be prepared for, unless she plans never to release them at all.

Show is just more of the same
I've watched that new television program, "The Secret Life of the American Teenager," with my 19-year-old when she was home from college.

The show breaks NO stereotypes at all.

The 15-year-old star and soon-to-be mom is shown going to school looking fashionably adorable albeit for her tiny "baby bump."

The show's "Christian" cheerleader is currently being led astray by the show's "bad boy" (and soon-to-be father of the aforementioned baby.)

The school's "Lolita" is the brightest girl in her class, but devoid of parental guidance. Isn't it amazing how she can maintain those straight A's despite having various young men spending night after night at her place!

I'm sure the star will give birth with nary a drop of perspiration on her perfectly-coifed brow.

The idea that this is some king of ground-breaking new show is a joke!

Single motherhood at any age is difficult. Single motherhood while yet a teenager is a harsh slap of reality.


\andrea
I also grew up in a time when sex was prohibited, with vast social consequences for those who disobeyed.

But those societal taboos were not the answer; I knew a couple of suicide cases where unwed girls found themselves pregnant and too shamed to reveal it; many shotgun and unhappy marriages that girls entered because they had transgressed the prosscription, and some cases of rape where the girls were blamed for any kind of premarital sex at all.

These "taboos", as you call them, did indeed have alot of power, not so much for boys and men, as sex seemed to be their God-given right, but for girls. One of my friends ws gang raped and beaten up by football team lettermen from a nearby school and she was criticized for wearing bermuda shorts, which the police said "made her provocative".

Those social mandates for virginity were not a good thing, calls for responsible sex are alot more humane.

Andrea also said
"Do you really believe we shouldn't have shame when we sin?"


I think people would have happier, more fulfilling sex lives if they didn't grow up being told that sex was a "sin".

social stigma failure
It is risky business manipulating social taboos. It's not easily controlled or changed and the law of unintended consequences are often brutal.

In South Korea (where we adopted our youngest child who is now 3) there are SERIOUS social stigmas about illegitimacy and abortion is illegal.

Unwed mothers have little prospects of employment, education, and marriage. Most are ostracized from their families. Their illegitimate children also suffer terrible social stigmas. Just a generation ago an illegitimate child could not even enroll in school unless adopted.

It is estimated over 350,000 illegal abortions happen annually. Many OBs could not stay in business without the illegal abortion industry. Only about 2,500 children are placed for international adoption and only about 400 are domestically adopted.

Adoptees in Korea are usually never told they are adopted to avoid the social consequences. Their parents often move to a new area once the child is placed and never tell anyone the child is adopted.

If you are about to suggest all those aborted babies be adopted internationally, it won't happen. There is a quota system in Korea. The government there does not want to be the #1 "exporter" of children. They only send 2,500 per year. There are parents and children who wait if they are #2,501 or higher. We waited an additional 3 months. Some adoptive parents have had to wait more than 6. Russia, China, Vietnam, and Guatemala have shut down or seriously slowed their adoption systems. That means it is possible the quota number will drop.

Besides, few Americans are willing to go through the scrutiny and expense required to adopt internationally.

There are no simple solutions to complex problems.

Judeo-Christian values
Gee, I guess the Palin family's faith and values didn't keep Bristol from having sex and getting pregnant.

To Andrea
you state: "it would be more accurate to say: "There have always been *some* teens who have sex."

Yes. However, many teens were having sex outside of marriage way before 1960.

According to the National Center on Health Statistics, the rate of teen childbearing was at an all time high in 1957 (96 births per 1000) and hit an all time low in 2000 (40 births per 1000). It is just that in 1957 (and before), when a teen got pregnant, they usually got married before the birth. Not so today.

As for sin and shame: Unfortunately, the depraved nature of man usually means shame is used my the self righteous to point fingers. Sin is not about actions, but about what is in the heart. If we are to label 'shame' to a given situation, my vote would be towards the married women who is secretly lusting after her really hot neighbor even if she never does anything about it as compared to a teenage girl "falling in love" and having sex without being married. But, that is just me and why I leave it up to God to know what is in someone else's heart.

Wow
I graduated High school in 2004. I had a friend my class who got pregnant with a crack addict at the age of 16. But she took to her mistake and raised the baby by herself.

My sister got pregnant at age 20 and is now raising her baby and plans on getting married with the guy she got pregnant from. She says her baby is amazing and the best thing that has happened to her. Even though a lot of us in my family were surprised this happened to her, she took the initiative and responsibilities of being a parent. My sister was also adopted and not aborted. Thank god.

Unfortunately I see this all the time. I was lucky to be raised by abstinent parents till marriage, married for 31 years now and still in love. My grandparents practiced the same thing and have been married for 64 years. I am engaged for the first and hopefully last time to a woman of similar views.

I just hope teen pregnancies continue to decline. With the economy as it is, a kid in the mix makes things very difficult.

By the way...


As it turns out, 9 of the 10 states with the highest teen pregnancy rates voted for Bush in 2004.
Conversely, 9 of the 10 states with the lowest rates of teen births voted Democratic in 2004; North Dakota was the only red state to crack the top 10.


http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/09/12/USTPstats.pdf

Rum Dog et al
Sex in and of itself is NOT something to be ashamed of. We are of course sexual creatures. The point is, however, that sex, like fire, is a useful servant, but a terrifying master. The trick lies in knowing when its use is appropriate and when it is not-and it isn't difficult. I rather doubt there is any 'good' reason for teenagers to be sexually active, but then again I'm a mean mom who wants (and is teaching) her daughter to get her educational and occupational feet under her before she even thinks of getting involved with a young man.

Responsible sex is about more than preventing pregnancy. Young girls who are active early on are active for all the wrong reasons. The boys know that if they use love, they'll get sex-and the girls still equate sex with love. You can't fool Mother Nature, still less seriously believe that the permissive sexual atmosphere that surrounds us all (and is constantly telling us how more is better, especially absent a formal commitment) is best for all when females still can't figure out why he doesn't call after he said he would, once she gave in to him? Gee. Suicide over pregnancy? Puleeze. The problems were there long before she spread her legs.

I'll agree that finger pointing and blame are not too helpful-once pregnant there's no going back and frankly no use doing anything but moving forward. That said, consequences can be a useful instructor in what NOT to do and why. It's only the fool who refuses to learn.

Cam:
The reason that Texas has high teen birth rates is primarily due to the illegal aliens here. They have a culture of having children when very young (some are as young as 12). Despite a law forbidding young girls from marrying, these girls can and do get married that young but generally wait until sixteen when it is legal with parental consent. That doesn't stop them from having babies in the mean time and most of their parents want them to - so they can have grandkids to spoil. I've heard that up to 90% of the births are to illegal girls.

Stacey @ 1:32pm
Funny thing about statistics…they can be made to say anything depending on how they are interpreted. The higher pregnancy rate among teens in 1957 that you quoted includes teens getting married right out of high school, whether they were pregnant first or not. The statistic that is more relevant: in 1960, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for teens was 15%; in 1995 it was 75%. See:

http://marriage.rutgers.edu/Publications/pubteenp.htm

Coley, RL, Chase-Lansdale, PL. Adolescent pregnancy and parenthood: recent evidence and future directions. American Psychologist, 1998, 153.

And the out of wedlock teen birth rate continues to rise. In 2006 the number of teen births was 441,832; 372,826 of those were to unmarried teens. If my calculator is working, that’s 84%! See:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_07.pdf

Of course, I forget, marriage is passé. No reason to be alarmed at the huge increase in out-of-wedlock births among women of all age groups.

As to your example, of course, lust in the heart is just as much a sin as fornication. What does that prove about the role of shame? Shame, or guilt if you like, is necessary to cause us to seek repentance. Without repentance, we remain in our sin and can't experience forgiveness. God gave us consciences for a reason; searing them causes us to blithely choose wrong instead of right. Notice I used first person pronouns in both of my posts; I’m including myself.

Rum dog
Sex between a woman and man who are currently married to each other is not a sin. Any other variation is.

Correction
That would be *illicit* lust, or adultery in the heart.

One thing for sure.

Pregnancy is 100% preventable.

Col. Bily
And abstinence works every time it's tried. :)

Andrea
you stated: "Funny thing about statistics…they can be made to say anything"

You are absolutely right. However, even though common sense says teen pregnancy rates have increased, the statistics you use can not tell us how much they have increased. You would have to know how many teenagers in the 1960's were pregnant BEFORE getting married. While I am not denying the number of unmarried teens has risen, you have to factor in the rise in the number of unmarried, pregnant teens that do not get married (where in 1960 they did get married before giving birth so were not in the numbers). In other words, how much of the rise is due only to those teens in this generation choosing not to get married?

you then stated: "Of course, I forget, marriage is passé. No reason to be alarmed at the huge increase in out-of-wedlock births among women of all age groups."
What was your point in this obviously sarcastic remark?

To Andrea
you stated: "As to your example, of course, lust in the heart is just as much a sin as fornication. What does that prove about the role of shame?"

Just what I said in my previous post:
"Unfortunately, the depraved nature of man usually means shame is used by the self righteous to point fingers"

It is easy to point their fingers at the outward sin of others.

cam
great post

same for me, this whole "Christians are being discriminated against" is contradicted in my life every day.

i am open and honest and talk about my faith all the time and never get negative feedback with the exception of here at townhall who claim you can't be a Christian and be liberal.

i even had a poster tell me the other day that you can't be a conservative if you are not a Christian.

yikes


Stacey
I think we are not understanding each other and I apologize for any miscommunication on my part.

The point I'm trying to make is that in 1960 and earlier, women got married younger, many right out of high school at 17 or 18. Not all of them were shotgun weddings; it was just more common in those times to get married younger. In a way, you are comparing apples and oranges because the times were different. My own mother was married in 1945 at 18 y.o. age and had my sister in 1946 at 19 y.o. age. That birth is still technically counted as a teen birth because the *totals* are reported by age regardless of marital status. So, when you quote a teen birth rate/1000 in 1960 that is higher than in 1995, it is misleading to imply that teen birth rates in 1960 were worse than in 1995. Those statistics need to be qualified and interpreted properly. An 18 year old who is married when she has her baby is better off emotionally and financially than one who is unmarried with no committment or support from the father.

And, yes, I was being sarcastic about marriage being passe. When our society celebrates unwed motherhood (e.g., movie stars, sports figures, etc), it is clear that marriage has become optional. Do you deny that children are better off with a stable (i.e., married and committed), two parent home?

To Andrea
you state: "the point I'm trying to make is that in 1960 and earlier, women got married younger, many right out of high school at 17 or 18. Not all of them were shotgun weddings"

The birthrate of 15-17yr olds was higher in 1960 than 1996 (according to CDC). Yes, you are right, some of those women probably were married. However, even in 1960, it was not that common for 16 and 17 year olds to marry unless they were pregnant.

you also state: Do you deny that children are better off with a stable (i.e., married and committed), two parent home?

I do not agree with that as a blanket statement. In a perfect world, yes. But we do not live in a perfect world. You would have to first define "better off". For instance, I and my sister were raised by a single mother. We came from a very loving home, taught wonderful values, became pretty wonderful parents ourselves (both of us married over 25 years, have 9 great children between us, etc). My friend (from 10yrs old to adult) was raised by two parents. They seemed like nice people. They are still married. I don't know exactly why, but my friend has led a really disfunctional life (married 3 times, affairs, not a very happy person, etc). So, at least in this case, who was "better off"?
My point is, there are messed up people who came from a two parent family and even some people who had a wonderful childhood with just one parent. And adding 'shame' to a young girl who is pregnant and not married does nothing to promote a healthy environment for anyone.

Reality is boring.
Why would I want to watch a tv show about people who aren't very attractive, who get up and go to work every day, come home and cook dinner, are asleep by 10 PM, and go to church on sundays?

My life is boring, why would I want to watch boring tv? The entire point of entertainment is to have a little vicarious excitement. Thrills that are safe because they arn't really happening. Stories that are interesting and compelling but that I wouldn't want to live through. This is what FICTION is for.

Underground Guide to Teenage Sexuality

These issues continue to impact US society due to politics trumping science, and our culture of selling sex, but avoiding talking about sex.

I used a great resouce to overcome some of my own inhibitions about talking and educating my own kids about sex called, The Underground Guide to Teenage Sexuality. I think it's available in Spanish also. But my teens and I now have a very open relationship to talk about these issues, and I sleep much better at night.
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