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Friday, June 13, 2008
Fred Thompson :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Supreme Error
by Fred Thompson
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Upon reading the opinion in Boumediene v Bush, one must conclude that the majority knew where they wanted to go and simply had to figure out how to get there. The trip was not a pretty one. How could it be when the justices seemingly wrote a map based on ideas cherry picked from over 400 years of established law and backfilled with justifications to create a new right for alien combatants that Americans themselves do not enjoy?

They could have saved us all a lot of time if they’d told us what was clearly on their minds.

They don’t trust military tribunals to deal with those accused of being enemy combatants, even if the tribunals are following guidelines established by Congress.

That the government has probably detained some prisoners at Guantanamo for longer than they should have.

And that Guantanamo should just be closed.

Though they are willing to give it lip service, they don’t really believe we are at war … at least not a “real” war.

Therefore, they should create a new right for our nation’s enemies commiserate with the displeasure that they and the rest of the “enlightened” people have with this “war,” Guantanamo and the Bush Administration.

At least this approach would have been an honest one and based upon about as much legal justification as the approach they took.

But, instead – as Justice Scalia pointed out in his dissent – they for the first time in our nation’s history, conferred a Constitutional right of habeas corpus on alien enemies detained abroad by our military forces in the course of an ongoing war – a broader right than has been given to our own citizens. The court majority did so acknowledging that they could find no precedent to confer such a right to alien enemies not within sovereign U.S. territory

The majority had simply decided that prior courts had denied such rulings based on “practical considerations.” In other words in prior cases and prior wars it had just been too inconvenient to bestow the right of habeas corpus upon non-citizens in foreign jurisdictions. So, by focusing on what they saw as “practical” instead of those pesky court precedents based upon the issues of citizenship and foreign territory … and the Constitution … the majority reached the conclusion they wanted to, since what is practical is subjective. One can only ponder the state of our nation directed by the subjective instead of the Constitution.

As Chief Justice Roberts pointed out in his dissent, the court strikes down as inadequate the most generous set of protections ever afforded aliens detained by this country as enemy combatants.

Among the problems the majority saw was the prisoner’s limited access to classified information, even though his personal representative is allowed access to it and can summarize it for the accused. Exactly what procedures would pass muster with the majority? Well, this has to be figured out by the habeas court later – and most certainly be challenged in endless rounds of further litigation.

At this stage, no one can really tell the extent to which this decision is going to add to judicial confusion, additional administrative difficulty, time and attention of military personnel or how many more prisoners will be mistakenly released to join the at least 30 who were released from Guantanamo only to return to fight the United States.

In reading the majority opinion I am struck by the utter waste that is involved here. No, not the waste of military resources and human life, although such a result is tragically obvious. I refer to the waste of all those years these justices spent in law school studying how adherence to legal precedent is the bedrock of the rule of law, when it turns out, all they really needed was a Pew poll, a subscription to the New York Times, and the latest edition of “How to Make War for Dummies.”

It is truly stunning that this court has seen fit to arrogate unto itself a role in the most important issue facing any country, self-defense, in a case in which Congress has in fact repeatedly acted. This was not a case where Congress did not set the rules; it did. But the court still decided – in the face of overwhelming precedent to the contrary – to intervene. This decision, or course, will allow for "President Bush Is Rebuffed” headlines, the implication being that the Administration was caught red-handed violating clearly established Constitutional rights when in fact the Administration, and the Congress for that matter, followed guidelines established by the Supreme Court itself in prior cases.

People can disagree over whether Congress got it right, but at least members have to face the voters. What remedy do people have now if they don’t like the court’s decision? None. If that thought is not enough to cause concerned citizens to turn out on Election Day to elect a new president, then I don’t know what will be.

I also find it just a tad ironic that in a case involving habeas corpus, which literally means that one must produce a body (or person) before a court to explain the basis on which that person is being detained, the decision of this court may mean more fallen bodies in the defense of a Constitution some of these justices ignored.

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Opportunity Knocks
This isn't necessarily a bad development. With a little creative thinking, this stupid decision by the idiot libs on the court could work in our favor.

I posted a way to make this happen on my blog:

theuseofreason.townhall.com

Seriously, this needn't be a bad day for America.

Supreme Error
Correct, Fred. Those folks are just plain arrogant. But after all let's look on the bright side. Now the military can simply adopt the attitude that a dead combatant is better than a live prisoner with more rights in the US than a US citizen. That also represents a cost saving in housing, food, exercise equipment, noise pollution (prayer announcements 5 times a day - why does somebody have to remind them to pray??), special meals and whatever else the lawers can dream up. What is wrong with all these judges and Congress? Are they just doumb or are they really on the enemy's side? Actions speak volumes over mere words.

Gomez
Get a grip. The decision-you said-prevents Bush from invading our homes and dragging us off as suspected terrorists. Was there a lot of that going on prior to this decision?

Honestly, even if you do not consider Bush a conservative, what is this absurd fear that he desires to lock up US citizens at random? And if that is his agenda, why has he not been doing so prior to this ruling?

And for the record, your knowledge of the Constitution is seriously flawed. During previous wars we have detained enemy soldiers who were caught in civilian clothes and even dressed as American soldiers in order to infiltrate out lines. These people were tried in military tribunals. They were not given lawyers and tossed into the American Criminal Justice System. Frankly this ruling was moronic on multiple levels.

It occurs to me that you must not hold Abe Lincoln in high regard, based on his actions where the constitution was concerned. He made Bush look quite tame.

The Supreme Court's supreme blunder
I could not believe the liberal lunatics on the Supreme Court would so totally ignore the best interest of the country, in favor of their cronies in congress. This decision amounts to treason with complicity. As disgusting as it is, and as illegal as it ought to be, this so-called ruling is nothing more than politics at it's worse.Ginsberg should go back to the ACLU where she can more blatantly try to ruin the country, law and order especially.

Shame on you Fred Thompson
Shame on you Fred Thompson. I am a staunch Conservative and firm believer in the U.S. Constitution. You want all of us to believe you are right when you call two major liberals, John McCain and George Bush, Conservatives. If they are your view of Conservatives then tells me all I need to know about you.

Bravo for the five SC judges that affirmed the Constitutional rights of all U.S. Citizens. Why don't you write in your article about how this decision went much, much further than the issue about these Gitmo detainees? This decision prevents George Bush from coming into our homes and dragging us off as alleged terrorists and holding us without charges. Print the whole story Fred. Shame on you. Shame on you.

Did you ask my permission before you gave John McCain my name and address so he could send his sleazy pleas for money? No, you did not.

Baldwin 2008

BrianR's Liberal Reasoning
In reply to an earlier post of mine, I present for your perusal, BrianR:

"Further, I guess it doesn't really matter who you and TalScout side with, because you guys are on the losing side, and in the final accounting, that's really all that matters isn't it?"

No Brian. I disagreed vehemently with the Kelo decision as well. It does indeed matter, and inspires action.

Your claim to be Conservative is suspect, and I again suggest you start your own party, the Neo-Nihilists.


But consider SJDoc
that your thinking still leaves the chief executive, the president, unfettered in determining who he gets to detain, and why, and for how long. Substitute the president of Iran for the US president, and American students studying in Tehran for Bush-designated "enemy combatants" and see if you still think it's a good idea to let a the chief executive do as he pleases, hiding behind a veil of "war." If the Supreme Court made a flawed decision, Bush created a situation that required unorthodox thinking. Tell me, why house these "detainees" in Gitmo? Wasn't Gitmo the answer to the question, "where can we put these people, out of the reach of US courts, just to be safe"? They thought they found the place but the court said, sorry, Gitmo is de facto US soil. US laws apply. I think the court made the correct legal decision but if their decision was compromised, I'm also not going to hold them to a standard that the president most certainly has not been held to.

larryo - Your ignorance does not...
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...entitle you to voice an opinion that anyone needs to respect. Mistakes larryo:

"Good God, Fred, this is the first time in our nation’s history that we have had 'alien combatants' or 'unlawful combatants.' Before, they were prisoners of war...."


Wrong and wrong.

Check out the First Barbary War (1801-1805), and the Philippine War (officially 1899-1902, though extending through 1913), with particular emphasis in the Moro Rebellion attending upon the latter conflict.

The remarkable thing about the "Liberal" jerkwads' historical illiteracy is that the Moro Rebellion - and the Philippine War overall - could offer you schmucks a golden opportunity to compare and contrast the present situation in the Sandbox against yet another international conflict in which Republican presidential administrations were responsible for conducting operations against both organized military forces and a widespread religiously inspired (in the later phases including Muslim jihadist) civilian insurrections, invoking the federalization of American state militia units (the early 20th Century's equivalent of today's National Guard) and their deployment into a distant foreign theater of combat.

But the "Liberal" is an ignoramus, and incapable of learning anything.

If that weren't so, larryo, you wouldn't be a "Liberal," would you?





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"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."

-- P.J. O'Rourke

Once Again
the Liberal majority on the Suprteme Court has failed to read or comprehend the very first line of the Constitution, where it says, "We the People of the United States of America,..."

We need term limits for SCOTUS Judges
8 years per judge, no more. Lifetime appointments?? You must be kidding me. The only lifetime anything nowadays are tyrants and despots, such as the the millitary ruler of Burma.

No longer a Republican Smithington
The 5 justices did not question the argument that a state of war existed. THey questioned the state of soverieghty of Gitmo and the ability og congress to deny SCOTUS juristiction.

Smithington - A state of war...
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...need not be declared by Congress in order for it to exist. Says No longer a Republican Smithington:

"Given how anal some of Scalia's arguments are, you would think he might have noticed that the Congress has not, no has the President called on Congress to, declare war....

"It seems to me, given Scalia's penchant for pedantic argument, that the absense of a formal declaration of war from Congress might be noted before he claims that a war exists under Constitutional requirements."


Not knowing the full context, I think it possible to speculate that Scalia agrees with Thomas' argument (in his dissent upon Hamdan v. Rumsfeld [2006]) to the effect that Osama bin Laden's declaration of jihad in August 1996 could be considered a declaration of war.

There was nothing much more to the beginning of hostilities in the First Barbary War (1801-1805), which was "declared" in May 1801 by Yussif Karamanli, the Bashaw of Tripoli - his annual demand for "tribute" rejected by the newly-elected President Thomas Jefferson - who simply down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate.

Which is how war was declared according to the prevailing diplomatic usages in that place and at that time.

In 1996, bin Laden issued a fatwa which amounted to a public declaration of war against the United States and any of its allies, and began to focus al-Qaeda's resources towards attacking the United States and its interests.

On 25 June 1996, al-Qaeda carried out the Khobar towers bombing.

Which - even Smithington ought to agree - is a helluva lot more emphatic than cutting down the flagpole in front of a U.S. Consulate.





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"In today's wars, there are no morals. We believe the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the Americans. We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they are all targets."

-- Osama bin Laden

Fred, you forgot something
Given how anal some of Scalia's arguments are, you would think he might have noticed that the Congress has not, no has the President called on Congress to, delcare war.

Bush says he needs no authority from Congress to conduct "military operations" and Congress has passed a use of force resolution.

It seems to me, given Scalia's penchant for pedantic argument, that the absense of a formal declaration of war from Congress might be noted before he claims that a war exists under Constitutional requirements.

Perhaps it was not the "liberal" Justices who saw where they wanted to go and got there, Fred.

JeffreyRO5 - Missing a number of...
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...critically important points. JeffreyRO5 says:

"So the Supreme Court said the US government/military can't pluck people out of foreign countries and hold them without charge. So charge them with something and produce some evidence."


This fails of understanding that an enemy combatant - lawful or unlawful - isn't taken into detention and maintained therein by the U.S. military necessarily because he might be culpable of criminal intent or action, but rather because he poses a danger to American troops (and/or their mission).

Incidental to this can be - but doesn't *have* to be - any of the list of "offenses triable by commissions" specified in U.S. Public Law 109-366 (see http://tinyurl.com/yjlgmh ).

For the same reason that a lawful enemy combatant is (and by the International Humane Law recognized as lawfully - even if indefinitely and without privilege of habeas corpus) to be held in captivity through the duration of hostilities, so too the *unlawful* combatant - if not simply executed - can be properly retained in detention.

As I've said above, the purposes for which such individuals are captured and retained *NEED NOT INCLUDE* allegations of criminal conduct (which requires consideration of the rules of evidence, the full disclosure of evidence, etc.) but rather (a) gaining information that can be refined into actionable military intelligence, and (b) operational security.

The purposes of military law are *NOT* the purposes of civilian law, and civilian courts - like the SCOTUS - are not established for the purpose of (or qualified to undertake) any adjudication pertinent to these concerns.

This case is a grievous usurpation of power that the SCOTUS does not - lawfully - hold.

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Read The Constitution
Congress has the power to determine the scope of the Supreme Court's decision making areas. They can simply declare all military decisions out of their area. If they don't comply arrest a couple of justices. One night in the D.C. tank will change their mind about their immortality.

Supreme Court Decision
The recent Supreme Court decision pertaining to "enemy combatants" is, in my opinion, not only a travesty against the United States; it is a treasonous act. The five justices should be impeached for treason against the United States. These justices swore to uphold The Constitution. With this decision, they have (in fact) spat upon it. Furthermore, the ACLU is, in my opinion, guilty of the same crime; as they are constantly undermining The Constitution.

The Supreme Court has made its decision,
now let them enforce it. President Andrew Jackson Has been quoted as making a similar statement when the court issued a decision he did not like. Too bad President Bush will not do the same.

eddie too asked Why the Congress does not take away the Supreme Courts jurisdiction over 'enemy combatants'. I am not sure they have that authority, or that the Supreme Court actually has the jurisdiction to take away. In any case, the court would probably rule any such action unconstitutional and ignore it.

KL
Kennedy has never been a reliable originalist judge and when O'Conner retired he immediately became the on and off again judge. He essentially took her place as the "outcomeist" judge.

If you had read my post above you would have seen that I knew he wrote the opinion and as I said it is a classic stretch. More phneumbras.

OK MARS
I will answer your question concerning the National Guard vs Rioters.

When the Guard is called to "active duty" in time of war to wage combat with a militant enemy, it comes under Federal jurisdiction.

When the Guard is called for "emergency duty" (disaster and/or riot control, etc), it is under state control.

While under active duty status, those who fire on or attack Guard members are enemy combatants.

While in emergency duty status (a situation that enforces "police protection"), those who fire on or attack Guard members are criminals who are VIOLATING CIVIL LAWS.


Hey, Talent Scout
I can think of a few things with which they can be charged in a criminal court.

How about:

Unlawful assembly
Disturbing the peace
Unlawful carrying of a non-registered weapon
Possession of illegal (Clinton era)assault
weapons
Inciting to riot
Assault on Federal agents (soldiers)
Conspiracy to commit a felony

Bet youse guys can come up with a bunch more! The problem is the lib judges would not "stack" the penalties but direct them to be served concurrently and limited to "time served".

I am truly baffled
by why the right wing is going ballistic on this issue. Same for same-sex/California decision. I read all the predictions of doom and gloom. Why? So the Supreme Court said the US government/military can't pluck people out of foreign countries and hold them without charge. So charge them with something and produce some evidence. Is the right wing saying there isn't actually any evidence against these "enemy combatants"? We already know that many at Gitmo were innocent of any wrongdoing, and were released. The US government readily admits this. Imagine if the Iranians captured some American students studying in Tehran and accused them of spying, produced no evidence of this, and held them for years. Would we be ok with this? Somehow, I suspect the right wing would not sit silently and say, "well, their president is commander of the military, so he can pretty much do what he wants."

Dave
SCOTUS has 9 members so it can never be 4 and 4 unless one of the judges recuses himself. Kennedy voted with the 4 liberals. He has taken O'Conner's place as the "swing" justice.