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Monday, October 13, 2008
Dinesh D'Souza :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why Bill Maher Made Me Laugh
by Dinesh D'Souza
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Bill Maher is a very irritating fellow. Now surely he would say that he irritates people because he is so iconoclastic, shattering entrenched orthodoxies with his rapier wit, but the truth is that Maher is offensive because he has an offensive personality. He seems chronically unable to wipe the smug arrogant smile off his face, which is especially galling because this arrogance is entirely unsubstantiated by intellectual ability.

Even Maher’s humor seems, well, gratuitous and condescending. His is not the wry, gentle wit of Jay Leno or Jerry Seinfeld. Nor does he exhibit the outrageous, side-splitting humor of George Carlin or Richard Pryor. Rather, Maher employs his trademark sneer to poke snide, sarcastic fun at people, usually people who are markedly less sophisticated or culturally established or economically well off than he is.

“Religulous,” Maher’s documentary film attacking religion, is not exactly breaking attendance records nationwide. New as it is, it comes in close to last among the movies that are showing across the country. When I saw it recently, there were about a dozen people in a theater that seats several hundred. An occasional titter provided the only evidence that this was intended as a funny movie. Sure, the movie does provide some laughs, but as you will see, they are easy laughs that score no real points against Maher’s intended target.

The film begins with Maher standing at Megiddo, which is allegedly the launching pad for Armageddon. Here we get an unsubtle introduction to one of Maher’s central themes: people are going to blow up the world in the name of God. Maher, however, cannot find anyone to actually say that. The best he can do is ambush harmless middle-aged people at tourist sites and force them to confess they think we may be living in the last days. Maher seeks to make the very strained point that these are Christian Bin Ladens who would stop at nothing to usher in the Second Coming of Christ.

Maher’s stance in the film alternates between feigned investigative neutrality and unconcealed anti-religious bigotry. At times he says he is an agnostic, who simply holds the rational position that he doesn’t know what comes after death. But if you don’t know whether there is an afterlife, and even if you have no reason to believe in one, it hardly makes sense to attack those who hold a different view. After all, you yourself are in the dark and they might very well be right.

By way of analogy, I don’t believe in unicorns, because there is no evidence for them, but I haven’t written any books called “The Unicorn Delusion” or “Unicorns are Not Great” or made any documentaries denouncing unicorns. Maher’s agnosticism is clearly a pose. Like Christopher Hitchens, he is an “anti-theist” who hates the Christian God. And the main reason seems to be, as Maher himself says at one point, that this God has rules that interfere with Maher’s sex life.

Maher scores his best points when he is interviewing certified weirdos and borderline lunatics, like a South American fellow named Jesus who claims, perhaps partly on the basis of the shared name, that he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. Maher does not have to work very hard to make us chuckle at this self-satisfied buffoon. Maher is equally effective with the guy who thinks smoking pot leads to God, even if, as the man sheepishly admits, it also leads to memory loss and frankly fries your brain. Maher does not have to look very far to find a couple of Muslim crackpots, one of whom—to Maher’s pretended outrage—refuses to condemn the fatwa on Salman Rushdie. And then there is Maher’s encounter, which I need not go into, with a rabbi who denies the Holocaust and apparently holds the distinction of being Iranian prime minister Mahmoud Ahmedinejad’s favorite Jew. Finally there are the televangelists whose opulence, money-grubbing and highly-publicized scandals make for predictable and easy targets.

You get the picture: Maher is in search of weak opponents that he can embarrass. Still, it’s remarkable how many of them get the better of him. On one occasion Maher interviews a Jesus actor at a Holy Land Experience who seems like a carefully selected dummy. But when Maher asks him to explain the Trinity, the actor says it can be understood in the same way that water appears in three quite different forms: in a solid form, as ice; in liquid form, as water; and in the gaseous form of water vapor. Maher is completely stumped by this and rendered speechless.

In another segment, Maher talks to some blue collar guys worshipping at a Trucker’s Chapel in Raleigh, North Carolina. They are overweight and poorly dressed and they cannot answer all his questions, but one says that he used to be a drug addict and “I gave all that up when I got saved.” At the end of the discussion, just before Maher’s triumphant exit, the truckers hold hands and pray for Maher. This is the sole moving moment in the film, and in a way that Maher doesn’t realize, it raises these simple people entirely above his snide sophistication.

The only intelligent believers who are interviewed are geneticist Francis Collins and Father George Coyne, former head of the Vatican Observatory. Both of them are given only a few seconds, for fear that they might undermine Maher’s big theme that religious people are suffering from a kind of mental illness. Actually Maher’s points—that there is no historical evidence for Jesus, that the main themes of Christianity are all derived from other ancient religions, that miracles are impossible, that religion is responsible for the mass murders of history—are all highly debatable. Maher simply ignores the good evidence on the other side.

I would love to debate him on his show, and can easily show that Maher’s self-image as an intellectual is largely bogus. It is only in the company of obvious charlatans and simpletons that Maher comes off as the bright guy. And because he cannot stand up to real opposition, I doubt that Maher has the guts to take me up on this offer. Ultimately he is an intellectual coward who relies on the argumentum ad ignorantium—the argument that relies on the ignorance of the audience.

So should you see “Religulous”? Certainly, if you want to put a few dollars in Bill Maher’s pocket. (Very few others are doing so.) I found “Religulous” good for some chuckles, even though most of the time I was laughing not with Maher, but at him.

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Ken
For the record I'd also oppose a white couple forcing a racist black minister to marry them, or a black couple forcing a racist white minister to marry them.

Would you?

AndyR
"For the record, no."

I'm glad to hear that, but many people on the left seem to disagree with you.

Ken
"Homosexuals would like to prosecute ministers who speak out against their lifestyle. Are they not interfering with the ministers' rights? Many of them want to force churches to accept homosexual "marriage", and revoke the tax-exempt status of churches that refuse. Do you condone such tactics?"

For the record, no.

AndyR
"It's the American ideal of 'your rights exist up to the point where they interfere with someone else's'. As a Conservative, I'm sure you appreciate that."

Yes, I do, and this brings up some interesting questions. Homosexuals would like to prosecute ministers who speak out against their lifestyle. Are they not interfering with the ministers' rights? Many of them want to force churches to accept homosexual "marriage", and revoke the tax-exempt status of churches that refuse. Do you condone such tactics?

Unfortunately, many secularists are concerned with no one's rights but their own.

Ken
Bestiality involves another participant that can't give its consent - an animal.

Incest I oppose because of the danger of children being produced.

"Many pedos claim they were born that way, and that they can't help their sexual orientation."

Left-handed people use that argument too - 'they were born that way'. People used to force left-handed people at school to use their right hand. It caused them the same psychological problems that gays get when they try to form relationships with the opposite sex.

But it comes down to damage caused again - if the way you were born doesn't hurt others, then knock yourself out. If someone claims that their sexuality involves raping children, or masturbating in public, or raping animals, then yes society has the right to repress that. It's the American ideal of 'your rights exist up to the point where they interfere with someone else's'. As a Conservative, I'm sure you appreciate that.

AndyR
"Using the same arguments as another group is irrelevant."

No, it isn't. Many pedos claim they were born that way, and that they can't help their sexual orientation. Thus, by prohibiting pedophilia, aren't we forcing them to repress their sexuality?

You say homosexuals don't hurt anyone, and pedophiles do. Okay, that's a fair point. What about incest or bestiality? Do you think society should condone those, too?

I agree that what homosexuals do in their homes is their business. However, when they try to re-define marriage to suit themselves, then it becomes all of society's business.

Ken
"That's been my point from the very beginning. It all depends on what you're not tolerating."

Exactly. So the key is WHAT is being tolerated, not the toleration itself. Which is why it's facile to say that being asked to tolerate x is related at all to being asked to tolerate y. Banging on about 'tolerance' is a complete red herring on your part, and it's taken you this long to admit it.

"I did ask why we shouldn't show the same tolerance for pedophiles that you want us to show toward homosexuals."

I get that you are not claiming gayness is as bad as pedophilia. What I don't get is where the connection between the two is supposed to be.

Pedos may CLAIM that a kid was 'up for it', but it's you and I having the discussion here, not a pedo, and we both agree that tolerating pedophilia involves the unwilling participation of a child, right? Now regardless of how much you might dislike the idea of gay activities, do you agree that it doesn't involve the same unwilling participants as paedophilia? If you can, then it's odd to put the two in the sentence.

"After all, they use many of the same arguments in defense of their lifestyle"

Eh? Pedo's may use the same arguments as inter-racial couples, or people asking for religious freedom or any number of other groups. Using the same arguments as another group is irrelevant. Two men might both use the argument 'I can do what I want in my own home', the first legitimately to defend wandering around his bedroom naked, the second to defend beating up his wife. The first is harming no-one, the second is.

There's no connection between someone using an argument to defend an activity that YOU happen not to like, but which harms no one else, and using the same argument to defend harming others. I'm tempted to use your own line about over-estimated the other's intelligence here, but I think you DO understand the difference but are pretending not to.

AndyR
"You asked, if intolerance is such a terrible thing, 'as homosexuals claim', then why should we be intoleranct of paedophiles."

Yes, I did say that. I wasn't arguing that ALL intolerance was good. I thought you had enough common sense to figure that out, but it looks like I was wrong. Forgive me for overestimating your intelligence.

Are you conceding that intolerance is NOT necessarily a bad thing? That's been my point from the very beginning. It all depends on what you're not tolerating.

"So why, as you claim, should being tolerant of gays have to lead to indiscriminate tolerance of EVERYTHING else, including paedophiles?"

I didn't say it would "lead to indiscriminate tolerance of EVERYTHING else." Again, I'd like you to show me where I did say that.

I did ask why we shouldn't show the same tolerance for pedophiles that you want us to show toward homosexuals. After all, they use many of the same arguments in defense of their lifestyle that the homosexual community uses. Personally, I think both are repulsive.

I suppose now you're going to play your old game and accuse me of equating homosexuality with rape. I agree that pedophilia is worse than homosexuality, but that doesn't mean homosexuality is good.

"If you can't follow my argument then it simply means you can't even follow your own."

No, it means you're twisting my words and making them mean something I never said.

Ken
"When have I ever claimed that tolerance is a terrible thing? Please cite."

Let's see. You asked, if intolerance is such a terrible thing, 'as homosexuals claim', then why should we be intoleranct of paedophiles. I took this to mean that you were claiming that lack of intolerance - i.e. tolerance - leads to accepting paedophilia. Now if a person truly believed that x led to accepting paedophilia then surely they would say that x (in this case tolerance) was a terrible thing?

Or are you withdrawing that claim? I'm happy for you to clear this up right now.

"Since when am I "intolerant" of them?"

Exactly Ken, you're proving my point. You're tolerant of all those things, so it's clear that being intolerant of gays doesn't lead to being intolerant of EVERYTHING else. So why, as you claim, should being tolerant of gays have to lead to indiscriminate tolerance of EVERYTHING else, including paedophiles?

If you can't follow my argument then it simply means you can't even follow your own.

AndyR
"If 'Tolerance' is such a terrible thing, as YOU claim, then why should we be tolerant of anything at all?"

When have I ever claimed that tolerance is a terrible thing? Please cite.

"This is the natural extension of your lame argument."

No, it's not. As usual, you are twisting my words.

AndyR -- and ANOTHER thing
Excuse my sarcastic tone here, but I really did have trouble making sense out of your last post. However, I will try to respond as best I can:

"intolerant of the victims of paedophilia,"

Since when am I "intolerant" of them? I'm intolerant of the perpetrators (aren't you?), but not of the victims.

"intolerant of charity,"

Since when? I give plenty to charity.

"intolerant of books etc."

Anybody who has seen the inside of my house will have a hard time believing I'm intolerant of books.

Maybe you meant something entirely different from what I read. That's why I've asked for clarification.

Ken
"I'm sorry, but you're getting increasingly incoherent."

You heard. I'm just extending your own incoherent argument to its logical conclusion. If it makes no sense to you then you're proving my point.

"If "intolerance" is such a terrible thing, as homosexuals claim, they why should we be intolerant of pedophiles.""

If 'Tolerance' is such a terrible thing, as YOU claim, then why should we be tolerant of anything at all?

This is the natural extension of your lame argument.

You're saying that a person pleading for tolerance of one thing is effectively asking for tolerance of EVERYTHING. Which is nonsense. It is equivalent to saying that expressing INtolerance for one thing is effectively asking for INtolerance of EVERYTHING.

schools
http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1067020.html

"Britain's Law Lords, the highest legal authorities in the country, on March 22 ruled in favor of a school that excluded a Muslim girl for wearing a traditional gown, the jilbab. Schoolteachers and Muslim leaders seem largely united in supporting the ruling."

Anyway, how come your example was from UK schools? I said in my earlier post that America's got the better system - proper separation. It seemed to be THAT which you were responding to in talking about a double standard, so I assumed you were talking about in US schools. UK doesn't have that separation - hence prayers in school. However, each UK school is allowed to set its own uniform policy, and a school is allowed to be biased towards a particular religion (eg Catholic schools, Muslims schools).

Do I think this is a good thing? No - hence my earlier post saying that the US school separation was a better system. I think that people are welcome to feed religion into kids' heads at home and at Sunday School or in Mosques, but in school they should learn the national curriculum.

AndyR
"I'm interested in how by your logic being intolerant of gays must mean you have to therefore be intolerant of everything else - intolerant of the victims of paedophilia, intolerant of charity, intolerant of books etc."

Huh? Would you mind re-phrasing this bit of drivel to make it coherent?

"I mean if being TOLERANT of one thing therefore means you have to be tolerant of everything else, surely, by your own logic, being INTOLERANT of one thing must mean you have to be intolerant of everything else too, right?"

Again -- HUH??? I'm sorry, but you're getting increasingly incoherent. Please write this again - and this time do it in English.

Really?
"The school said the only exception it would make to its uniform rule would be if the jewellery was an essential part of a particular religion, which they did not feel was the case for Miss Devine. She was free to wear a crucifix."

Seems pretty cut and dried to me - jewellery wasn't part of their school uniform unless it's an essential part of the religion. Hence crucifixes and the like were allowed. Since when is not allowing chastity rings a sign of double standards?

I don't remember the 'silver ring thing' being mentioned in the bible. Perhaps you can remind me with a verse?

Is that the best you've got?

Now try googling 'smalkowski civil rights suit' for the flip side of what you're trying to prove.

PS, any advance on your 'intolerance theory' yet? I'm interested in how by your logic being intolerant of gays must mean you have to therefore be intolerant of everything else - intolerant of the victims of paedophilia, intolerant of charity, intolerant of books etc.

I mean if being TOLERANT of one thing therefore means you have to be tolerant of everything else, surely, by your own logic, being INTOLERANT of one thing must mean you have to be intolerant of everything else too, right?

AndyR
Here's a link for you:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286395,00.html - 53k

AndyR
"I don't think you are lying - I'm sure YOU believe this is true. But it sounds like nonsense to me."

No, it's reality. Frankly, the fact that you have shut your eyes to it does not surprise me in the least.

Ken
"Christian students in public schools have been banned from wearing clothing that mentions Jesus or that promotes any kind of Christian theme."

And these SAME schools allow Burkhas, Hijabs etc?

"In some schools, they're not allowed to say "Christmas", but they are actually required to learn about Ramadan."

I don't think you are lying - I'm sure YOU believe this is true. But it sounds like nonsense to me. Is this something you just heard off some guy, or can you provide any kind of link - a school where the pupils are literally BANNEd from saying 'Christmas' but are taught about Ramadan?

AndyR
"There's no equivalent ban on Christian clothing or jewellery in US schools, is there?"

Christian students in public schools have been banned from wearing clothing that mentions Jesus or that promotes any kind of Christian theme. In some schools, they're not allowed to say "Christmas", but they are actually required to learn about Ramadan. Such is the double standard of "tolerance."

Ken
"but Muslims and other religions ARE allowed in public schools"

How do you mean - passages from the Koran hung on the walls? Minarettes on the school grounds? Teachers leading the students in Muslim prayers? If any of these take place then yes, that is a double standard and one that I would oppose. If you mean like wearing of Muslim dress, then that's more banned in European schools such as in France than in the US, isn't it? There's no equivalent ban on Christian clothing or jewellery in US schools, is there? So no double standard there.

"You always bring up that "no true Scotsman" routine"
It's other people puttling the 'no true Scotsman routine', ie indulting in that particular fallacy. I'm just calling them out on it. That's the only time I'll bring it up. If a person doesn't want to get called out on it, they shouldn't do it. And as I said, I've never claimed 'Mao and Stalin aren't proper atheists'.

AndyR
"I'm not obsessed with Scotsman."

You always bring up that "no true Scotsman" routine, and you say that's not an obsession. When I respond by talking about Stalin and Mao, you claim that is an obsession. Again, why the double standard?

AndyR
"You may not like that your own religion isn't given a place in schools, but at least you know that no-one else's should be in there either."

Ah, but Muslims and other religions ARE allowed in public schools. Christianity is not. Why the double standard?

Grey
On Muslims, don't blame us atheists for putting up with the Muslims. Look at Christopher Hitchens, Pat Condell, Richard Dawkins etc - all atheists who very vocally criticise Islam and campaign to keep out Shariah Law, keep Islam out of schools etc.

That is the advantage of having a blanket separation of Church and State. You may not like that your own religion isn't given a place in schools, but at least you know that no-one else's should be in there either. That's probably one of the reasons Hitch became a US citizen.

To GREYHAWK IN AL
RIGHT ON, MISTER! Signed, Still Free in Cajunland

Ken / Greyhawk
"Oh, yeah. You're the one who accused me of being "obsessed" with Stalin and Mao. Perhaps you should explain why you're so obsessed with Scotsmen."

Er, I'm Scottish. I'm not obsessed with Scotsman. If you're accusing me of using the same fallacy myself when you discuss the atheism of Mao, then my reply is that I've never said 'Mao wasn't a true atheist' or anything like that.

"If "intolerance" is such a terrible thing, as homosexuals claim, they why should we be intolerant of pedophiles,"
The logical flip of this is "if tolerance is such a terrible thing, as Ken claims, then why should we be tolerant of the victims of pedophiles."

Greyhawk, apology seen, accepted.
"They have become too cowardly to even teach certain subjects in their State Run Socialist schools"
Aren't schools in America paid for by taxes too? Likewise the police and firefighters. For that matter haven't the banks been Nationalized? Does this mean USA is socialist too? But you know that Britain has school-led Christian prayers every morning? It did when I was there anyway.

I wouldn't credit Dinesh with the number of posts here. Few of them are actually discussing his original article.

Reply to PackerBhoy
Hi PackerBhoy in Scotland. I am surprised that the Scots have not seceded from the so-called British Empire. Are you Scots letting those terroristic Muslims take your country over too? We in the states have been inundated by Liberals for quite awhile and the liberal congress of the US and the liberal courts have mandated more and more political correctness and have all but obliterated any mention of God in public places, including in schools, while at the same time accommodating Muslims with Foot Wash Pools and other such nonsense. Many of us so called Gun Toting and Bible Believing Christians are getting pretty fed up with Liberals and their hijacking of our constitution, Bill Of Rights, and our basic rights and freedoms generally.

The problem with these Limo Liberal Communists who have hijacked our country is that they are so thick skinned and arrogant, that they do not realize how pissed we regular American Citizens are. I imagine you Scots are getting pretty fed up with your appeasers as well.

EVIL IS DEVIL IF YOU ADD A "D"
It is evil to denigrate people's religious beliefs. Millions of people rely on their faith, no matter what their religion, to cope with the problems of life. To try to undermine this, to mock and put down the faiths of millions is criminal in my judgment. I am glad to read this movie is doing poorly. Did anyone ever notice the word "evil" becomes "devil" if you just add the "d?" Signed, Clinging to guns and religion down on the bayou.

taking the last opportunity


Now that this thread is kaput, I'll once more offer thanks to Dinesh D'Souza; what a grand writer he's been; and one of our leading conservative minds. I believe this is the 2nd of his Toon Hall articles that ellicited hundreds and hundreds of posts; we're now at a hard-to-believe 412 entries. Give us more, D'Souza!!!!

dear andy --thursday morning


Sorry for attributing that post to you. I posted an apology last evening which never showed so I'm doing it again.

Why am I combative? Mainly when everybody else is; but much more putting up with gross people like Pablo and don juan; who turn my stomach.

Who wouldn't want to explode?


So, who cares what the Brits do or say??
~~~
And besides, the Brits have become so cowardly, they let the rag head Muslims in their country subvert everything else. They have become too cowardly to even teach certain subjects in their State Run Socialist schools, and have even obliterated words in some texts as they cow tow to the Muslims who have scared them into submission.

So,

cares what the Brits do or say??
~~~



Well, I do-- I live here!

It is bad here in regard to the Anglican (Episcopal) Church, and worse with the Muslims here.

But Christians (and most Brits) are well aware of the Muslim threat not only to Britain but to the West itself.

It's the left-leaning politicians that don't have a clue.

alex in scotland

Joe The Plumber has Spoken--
Joe, The Plumber, has spoken for mainstream America. We do not want to share our hard work and incomes with Deadbeats which Obama said he wants to do. Obama said, "We want to share the wealth with all." What Obama is saying is Patent Communist Jargon right out of the Communist Handbook and is called: "Redistribution of Wealth." This idea is always attractive to those who want something for nothing. The Liberal Democrats with all their Social Welfare Programs have already made 40 percent of citizens, excluding those who legitimately retired, dependent on government welfare and have made the incentives so good to stay on welfare, that welfare recipients refuse to find a job or even look. They say, "Why Work? I already got more than those fools out there working every day."

No, we working Americans will tell Obama No, the same as The Plumber Joe told this communist Obama earlier this week. We working and taxpaying Americans are sick of Liberals such as Obama and other Communists who tell deadbeats that they are going to be taken care of with Other People's Money.

Being Comfortable with Sin
Many so called intellectuals have embraced the Episcopal and other more liberal churches over time, as it has made them more comfortable with the sins they commit each day.

Conservative churches, that is Bible Believing Churches, have been in decline ever since the advent of Television, which began to encroach into people's lives. TV was first fairly benign, but over time, the Liberal Agenda of hollywood won out, and TV shows slowly at first, and then like a supersonic train, roared through people's homes and infected people's minds with all sorts of perversion.

There are things of prime time so called family channels that only 20 or 25 years ago would have been R rated.

And the really bizarre turn of events is this: On TV shows, they think it is a crime and morally unconsienable to show an adult smoke a cigarette, but in the same show where smoking a cigarette is viewed as being the plague, they will mock religion, and openly talk to their children about the forms of birth control they are using and never discuss the idea with their children that, maybe children should not be having sex.

The Hollywood Created hedonism has created some moronic Americans, and of course the public education system has done their part in dumbing people down to the point that they are fairly easily entertained by the inane idiocy on TV that passes for entertainment.

Reply to the Archbishop of Canterbury
The American Episcopalians are almost a carbon copy of these yahoos. And besides, the Brits have become so cowardly, they let the rag head Muslims in their country subvert everything else. They have become too cowardly to even teach certain subjects in their State Run Socialist schools, and have even obliterated words in some texts as they cow tow to the Muslims who have scared them into submission.

So, who cares what the Brits do or say??

The Archbishop of Canterbury
~~~
I never said it was my argument. The Archbishop of Canterbury recently announced that he is satisfied that there is nothing incompatible with being Christian and being a gay in a monogamous relationship. You obviously disagree with him. Fine. But you can't say his decision is based on ignorance of scripture.
~~~


I live in Scotland. The Archbishop of Canterbury is pretty much a joke within Christian circles, as is the Anglican Church itself (which many see as being apostate). That is why the African Anglican Church, in trying to remain true to Scripture, is at odds with the English Anglicans.

alex in scotland

AndyR
"Not me. Cite please."

Oh, yeah. You're the one who accused me of being "obsessed" with Stalin and Mao. Perhaps you should explain why you're so obsessed with Scotsmen.

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