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Monday, February 26, 2007
Dinesh D'Souza :: Townhall.com Columnist
Rethinking Abu Ghraib
by Dinesh D'Souza
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HBO's documentary "The Ghosts of Abu Ghraib," aired a few days ago, is yet another attempt to use the scandal to portray the Bush administration as soft on torture. Conservatives, meanwhile, continue to minimize the significance of what happened there. Some characterize Abu Ghraib as no big deal, what James Schlesinger termed “Animal House on the night shift.” Others defende Abu Ghraib as a way to get valuable information about potential terrorist attacks. Rush Limbaugh claimed that “maybe the people who ordered this are pretty smart” because, as an interrogation technique, “it sounds pretty effective to me.”

Throughout the Muslim world, Abu Ghraib was viewed very differently. To see why, we need to take a closer look at the scandal. Fortunately we have a detailed picture of what happened, both from the military’s 500-page report and from the trials of Private Lynndie England and Private Charles Graner, the two main figures involved. After marrying at age 19 “on a whim,” as she put it, England left her husband and enlisted in the military. There she met Graner, who was fresh from a divorce in which his wife had taken out three protective orders against him.

Shortly before they went to Iraq, England and Graner partied together with another soldier friend in Virginia Beach. “They drank heavily,” the New York Times reports, and when the other soldier passed out, “Private Graner and Private England took turns taking photographs of each other exposing themselves over his head.” In Iraq, the two began an affair which they continued even though both were warned that their sexual trysts on the night shift violated military rules.

Soon Graner and England began to make videos of their sex acts. They circulated the videos among their friends, and even mailed some to friends back in America. In October 2004, Graner persuaded several other soldiers to join him in staging and photographing prisoners. They made Muslim men strip naked and simulate various sex acts for the camera. They ordered male captives to put on female underwear, sometimes on their heads. They compelled prisoners to masturbate while they watched. At one point England said of a detainee, “Look, he’s getting hard.”

Graner said he was the one who took the infamous photograph of England holding a leash around the neck of a crawling prisoner. “Look what I made Lynndie do,” Graner boasted in an email with the photo attachment that he sent to someone he knew. Graner said the pictures he took of inmates masturbating were a “birthday gift” to England. Graner made another unexpected present to England: he made her pregnant.

England discovered the pregnancy two days after she broke up with Graner. The reason for the breakup was that Graner was having an affair with another woman, Specialist Megan Ambuhl. During their courtship Ambuhl emailed Graner an article headlined, “Study Finds Frequent Sex Raises Cancer Risk.” She commented, “We could have died last night.”

The army sent England home on account of her pregnancy, and by the time the baby was born she was no longer speaking to Graner. Graner proposed marriage to Ambuhl during his court martial, and England found this out from her lawyers. Graner got 10 years in prison, England three years. The other soldiers received lesser sentences. Paul Arthur, the military investigator who was the first to question England, quoted her giving a simple motive for her actions. “It was just for fun.” Arthur added, “They didn’t think it was that serious. They didn’t think it was a big deal. They were joking around.”

Now we are in a better position to understand the Muslim reaction to Abu Ghraib. Most Muslims did not view it as a torture story at all. Muslims were not outraged at the interrogation techniques used by the American military, which are quite mild by Arab standards. Moreover, many Muslims realized that the most of the torture scenes in the photographs—the hooded man with his arms outstretched, the prisoner with wires attached to his limbs—were staged. This was simulated torture, not real torture.

The main focus of Islamic disgust was what Muslims perceived as extreme sexual perversion. For many traditional Muslims, Abu Ghraib demonstrated the casualness with which married Americans have affairs, walk out on their spouses, and produce children without bothering to take responsibility for the care of their offspring. In the Muslim view, this perversion is characteristic of American society.

Moreover, many Muslims viewed the degradation of Abu Ghraib as a metaphor for how little Americans care for other people’s sacred values, and for the kind of humiliation that America seeks to impose on the Muslim world. Some Muslims argued that such degradation was worse than execution because death only strips a man of his life, not of his honor.

In one crucial respect, however, the Muslim critics were wrong. Contrary to their assertions, Abu Ghraib did not reflect the shared values of America, it reflected the sexual immodesty of liberal America. Lynndie England and Charles Graner were two wretched individuals from Red America who were trying to act out the fantasies of Blue America. Casting aside all traditional notions of decency, propriety and morality, they simply lived by the code of self-fulfillment. If it feels good, it must be right. This was bohemianism, West Virginia-style.

At some level, the cultural left recognized this, which is why most of its comments about Abu Ghraib assiduously avoided the issue of sexual deviancy. The left’s embarrassment on this matter seems to have drawn on class prejudice. For some liberals, soldiers like Graner and England were poor white trash getting into trouble again. Of course if Graner and England were professors at an elite liberal arts college, their videotaped orgies might easily have become the envy of academia. If they were artists staging these pictures in a loft in Soho they could have been hailed as pioneers and encouraged by leftist admirers to apply for a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts.

But being low-life Appalachians, Graner and England inspired none of these elevated thoughts. Instead, liberals moved opportunistically to attack the military and discredit its prisoner interrogation policies—even though these polices had nothing to do with what actually happened.

To his credit, President Bush made no attempt to defend Abu Ghraib, firmly asserting that it didn’t represent America. What he should have said is that it didn’t represent the values of conservative America. In reality Abu Ghraib did reflect the values of a debauched liberalism run amok. These values are ruining America’s image in the traditional world. Many ordinary Muslims were scandalized to see how some Americans behave, and how other Americans who should know better try to cover these disgraceful things up. In minimizing Abu Ghraib, some conservatives became cheap apologists for liberal debauchery.

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Dinesh D'Souza's new book Life After Death: The Evidence is published by Regnery.
 
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Bush "supports" the troops
Kimberly, you got it right.

"Right-o, Great Americans, the buck stops at the troops - one more indication of how much Bush, and his followers, "supports" them."

Can you say WALTER REED ?

The Bush Administration treats our vets like yesterday's garbage.

Now they are recruiting and signing felons, druggies, high school dropouts and more and more dregs of society.

The conditions at Walter Reed and the neglect and abuse of injured or wounded Vets is criminal and just the tip of that iceberg.

Bush has cut Vet benefits and the VA is over $3.6 billion short of needed funds.

Doncha just love the way Bush "supports" the troops ?

JDW
Holy crap! I know chauvinistic pigs still exist, but it never ceases to amaze me when I hear comments like yours. Have you ever actually served in the military? Something tells me no; at least not in any of the more recent decades. As a woman currently serving as an officer in the military, I can tell you personally that out of all the women I've worked with very few of them are the sluts that you paint us all to be. Three hundred pregnant women onboard a navy vessel during Desert Storm?! Judas effin' priest! I'd love to know where you found that particular statistic. I tried to Google that one and found it nowhere. If you think the military would be devoid of scandal if only women weren't allowed to enlist, you're really fooling yourself--you obviously don't know human nature as well as you think you do. I'm pretty damn conservative--I don't think women should serve in combat or be put into positions for which they are physically unqualified just for the sake of satisfying a bunch of screeching feminists. However, I can also tell you that plenty of us are serving with honor and dignity. The actions of a few dirtbags aren't representitive of all of us--we're not the whores, lesbians, and harpies that the great minds like yours seem to think we are. That would be about as fair as considering you to be representative of all conservative thought. Comments like yours are an embarrassment to true conservatism and betray your abysmal level of cultural ignorance.

Doug
You said, "The only way an american citizen would fall under the mca is if they either support those that take up arms against America or they themselves take up arms. I have seen the article in question. To prove support there would have to be a due process investigation, or be caught in the act of taking up arms against america."

"Prove support"
That is exactly the problem, Doug. What makes you think that the government will feel the need to "prove support" right when you are arrested? Eventually, it sounds like it would all come out ok. But, in the meantime, you would be in a secret prison camp being waterboarded, awaiting the opportunity to show you are an American, or for them to "prove support". Tell me, how long have they held a number of suspected enemy combatants before they had any opportunity of either a military tribunal or a trial? Many have taken YEARS! I don't know about you, but I want this legislation fixed. It is MUCH too loosely worded.


animalgirlisback
I actually agree with you on what you said about "dehumanization".

It is what happened to the Branch Davidians so that the American people would go along with our government's actions. It is how they attempted to do the same with Randy Weaver. It is also what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany. And yes, it is also what the media and our government is now doing painting every Muslim as our enemy.

The technique is well known and is still in use today.

Now I got it...
Now I got it:

If conservatives do something immoral, like torturing people, it's only because some nasty liberals made them do it. Of course, torturing people isn't always immoral; sometimes it's both necessary and right. So we're told. Sexual humiliation and degradation are advocated only by liberals (Dinesh didn't provide any documentation for this, however). Therefore, when conservative engage in such behavior, their brains are being controlled by liberals.

Liberals are the source of all evil; conservatives are the source of all good.

Right

lydia
yours is the party of torture and capital punishment.

as far as dems being baby killers, are not there republicans who are pro-choice. of course there are.

just as there are dems for torture and capital punishment.

why do you want to find reasons to hate your fellow americans when reason tells you we have more in common than apart.

but then conservatives base decisions on emotion not on reason right?

Too funny
Hey Dinesh,
I know your trying to cash in on the "Conservative market" ala Ann Coulter by writing things that they will love regardless of facts or logic - But blaming the abuses in Abu Ghraib on Red Staters trying to act out their "Blue State sexual fantasies" is just total blather. Obviously from the comments, even conservatives aren't buying your nonsensical post. With all the good writers out there, why are you wasting readers time?

George W. Bush

Common Sense Conservatives do NOT belong to the Republican party.

Handy
Janise Karpinski, ex-BG, US Army, did not get what she deserved.

She deserved to remain a captain, never making field grade, then getting released under the up-or-out program.

But, no, Karpinski kept getting promoted because of what was between her legs, all in the name of fairness and affirmative action.

For years, women kept whining about being discriminated against merely because of their sex. Then, when they are promoted BECAUSE of their sex, they run into the Peter Principle (no pun intended - well, not much, anyway).

Karpinski is a poster girl (yes, GIRL) for making "affirmative action" illegal.

Liberty
The only way an american citizen would fall under the mca is if they either support those that take up arms against America or they themselves take up arms. I have seen the article in question. To prove support there would have to be a due process investigation, or be caught in the act of taking up arms against america.

Liberty
The only way an american citizen would fall under the mca is if they either support those that take up arms against America or they themselves take up arms. I have seen the article in question. To prove support there would have to be a due process investigation, or be caught in the act of taking up arms against america.

DeSouza at it again!
Turning Abu Graib into an attack on liberalism is silly. Those guilty were sickos pure and simple. Well, not very pure but mighty simple.

My guess - actually - is that those committing the atrocities saw themselves as 100% proud Americans, superior to their Arab captives. They probably were conservatives, too, and strong supporters of our ridiculous and illegal war in Iraq.

At the same time, I am one of those concerned about the sexual license that we see in the USA today. Nobody wants to go back to the '50s and earlier. It's good to be more open re sex generally, but we've gone too far in the other direction. It's only one sign of a moral decay that can doom the country. As to blame? Haggard, Swaggart, Bakker and a lot of those twisted RC priests have been conservative and hypocritical 'defenders of morality'. They brought discredit to their religion as well as their nation. So there's plenty of blame to go around.

Keep smiling.

Keep smiling.

Dinesh, Come Back!
I guess you've been captured by aliens old buddy. You're latest stuff is all about how everything is the fault of the Left. Little doubt that cultural relativism and all that nonsense make us look weak to some of our enemies, but the Abu Grape incident was obviously the work of several ordinary weirdos. The sort that turns up once in awhile when you have a couple hundred thousand young people in a strange place. In their case, it sounds like they would have done their thing wherever they happened to be. To blame this kind of behavior on the Left puts you in danger of losing your cred and that would be too bad because you were one hell of a good analyst.

Mr. Desouza gets it.....
For the most part, Mr. Desouza is spot on in his assessment of the Arab world and their reasoning concerning the Abu Gharib incident. Having travled in the Arab word what I found most disturbing was their unspoken acceptance of homosexuality and pedophillia. Man/Boy love Thursday nights were the rule rather than the exception.

CONDUCT
The actions of these soldiers demonstrated that we do not tolerate that behavior. I have worked in the intelligence field and law enforcement. These guys were jacking around and breaking the law. When I was preparing to interrogate a suspect I did not want anyone messing with him at all much less toturing him. We demonstrated that we have a respect for the rule of law. When the terrorists capture one of ours they torture and kill. It seems that does not strike a chord with MSM.

"Simulated torture"
Somehow I dont think the guy on the leash felt that way. Or the prisoner beaten to death in AG.
Or maybe Dinesh is right.
No, actually he is now complicit in a torture policy that stains me as an american. Thanks Dinesh!

I thought
The discussion was the media and the 2 perps, not the rest of the military. The military was investigating ( the equivalent of a Grand Jury investigation, you've heard of those), when the media splattered it over the airwaves.

Sounds like a Nifonging of the miltary in general instead of the specific guilty parties.

Or would all of you like to be judged by the most radical of those who share your views, right or left?

Anyone remember John Yoo?
with regard to his belief that there was nothing in the Constitution which forbade the sexual torture of little children?

Sizzlelean
You said, "I don't give a rat's behind what we do
to prisoners of war to extract the needed information out of them to save lives."

Before you make that your official stand, you might want to check the Military Commission Act and realize that YOU TOO can be arrested and imprisoned indefinitely now. I wonder if you'd feel the same, if you were incorrectly arrested and experienced the "rat's behind" torture techniques for several years until you were allowed a judge and then could prove that you were an American.

And NO, I am NOT Kidding!

What Are You All Talking About?
I am having trouble following this thread. Some of what's being said here doesn't make sense. The "liberal" mainsteam media "glossed over" sexual deviancy when reporting this story? I seem to remember 24/7 descriptions of naked people piled in a pyramid, naked men held on a leash by a woman and forced to behave like a dog, groups of prisoners forced to masturbate, and menstrual blood smeared on male prisoners by a female guard. Do we need more detail for this all to qualify as a pornography show? The fact is that in a climate where savage cruelty is permissible, some people will behave with savage cruelty---and Lynndie and her boyfriend couldn't possibly have managed all of this just by themselves. Two examples: 1) In Nazi prison camps some Jews were enlisted as guards over their own people. These guards, called kapos, were more vicious than the Nazis. (My reference here is the writing of Elie Weisel, who was there.) 2) There's a famous psychology experiment in which subjects were encouraged to inflict pain in the form of an electric shock. They didn't know that the persons receiving the "pain" and "shock" weren't really feeling anything and in fact they were hired actors (they yelled their heads off). What was learned from this experiment is that when people are told it's OK to hurt people, they really get into hurting people.

Who knows why such a climate developed at Abu Ghraib---probably it wasn't any one factor. Personally I think a large part of it was the trickle-down effect of Cheney's and Rumsfeld's attitude---which of us hasn't had the experience of working in a company, school, store, hospital, agency, wherever, that the boss's attitude didn't basically determine what happened there? Also, the privatized contractors---who reportedly did their share of abuse---weren't subject to military rule or law, another massive problem.

Let them hate, so long as they obey.
I'm glad you reveal the black pitch at the center of your undoubtedly Christian soul.

"...to pacify Iraq and take out the 5th largest army in the world"

Well, Iraq is the opposite of pacified isn't it?
And their pathetic army was brushed aside like fleas.

"the U.S. media is as traitorous as it was in the 1960s"

Then call the soldiers who brought Abu Grahib to their commander's attentions the traitors.

You're the actual traitor. A hater of life and liberty in favor a dark scary world ruled by fear and slavery. You have more in common with the terrorists than you think.

To Bleeding Heart Liberal
Do you think this article doesn't speak for the Right? Scroll down to the end of this thread and click onto "Conservative T-Shirts, Republican Tees" (RightWingStuff.com) and check out the shirts and bumper stickers. Get a load of what these folks think is clever or funny. "It's just a joke" puts them on the same page with D'Souza---and with Lynndie England.

Here is why
the jailers and the general were punished:

"893. ART. 93. CRUELTY AND MALTREATMENT
Any person subject to this chapter who is guilty of cruelty toward, or oppression or maltreatment of, any person subject to his orders shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. "
Uniform Code of Military Justice

Of course....
If we didn't let females serve in the military, we wouldn't have such scandals (including the 300 pregnant females aboard a navy vessel during Desert Storm...)

" Moreover, many Muslims viewed the degradation of Abu Ghraib as a metaphor for how little Americans care for other people’s sacred values, and for the kind of humiliation that America seeks to impose on the Muslim world. Some Muslims argued that such degradation was worse than execution because death only strips a man of his life, not of his honor."


GOOD. Why should Americans care for non-americans 'sacred values' especially when those "values" include butchering non-believers? Yes we should have imposed humiliation on them, and Moslems have no honor, certainly not as civilized people have honor. The Japs during WWII (and before) were all about "honor". Of course, it was a twisted, egocentric philosophy of honor, but they used the "h" word a lot. Japan is successful today because we didn't care for Japanese "sacred values" and imposed our own. Why is it every flea-bitten piece of trash on the planet has "sacred traditions" and "cultural identity" and "honor"... except mine? Too many Americans act as if we shouldn't have our own culture, our own values or way of looking at the world, and if we do, no matter how successful it's proven, we must above all avoid imposing it on even the most backward trash on the planet.

Abhu Graib demonstrated 2 things; the U.S. media is as traitorous as it was in the 1960s, and we definitely need higher standards for enlistment, including having the right genitalia.

angel66 we didn't, and shouldn't have, invade Iraq to "...protect them (Iraqis) from torture chambers". A good reason, but not the main reason. The reasons for invading Iraq should have been A) to pacify Iraq and take out the 5th largest army in the world, B) form a staging ground for further operations in the middle east, primarily against Iran and Syria, and C) to demonstrate to the world that it's not a good idea to get crossways of the U.S.
You're the one who doesn't "get it".

Let them hate, so long as they obey.

A Frat Party
But good friend of Bush, Rush Limbaugh said Abu Grahib was no worse than a frat party.

Of course, being liberal, I wasn't privy to the debauchery of the elite conservative class.

Thank God.

The bigger picture, one you neo-cons don't get, is that those images were released because AMERICAN SOLDIERS were disgusted by what hapened.

AMERICAN TROOPS were the whistle blowers.

And they were treated with contempt by their superiors. And in effect, by the same folk who scream that liberals don't support the troops.

And you don't win hearts and minds by torturing the civilians of the country you invaded to protect them from torture chambers.

Get it?

D'souza, please. Get medical help.



drt
I have been doing a little research on both conservative and liberal sites, trying to categorize particular types of posters.

One of the most interesting categories are those posters who are so obssessed with demonizing the opposite group that they never express an original idea or insight, they just kind of foam at the mouth at the mere suggestion that the opposite group might consist of anybody except the most evil, sub-human beings. When people need to have an enemy to this degree that they invent one usually indicates a deeper need.

In this regard, it seems these posters fall into two groups: One, I suspect are people who are only able to define themselves in terms of a negative stereotype that they invent and then compare themselves against. This is a way of establishing or shoring up an identity, shakey as it is. The other are people who need the cathartic experience that hatred and rage often brings to those who are unable to have feelings any other way. To me, this implies a kind of impoverished emotional life that is quite sad.

These people appear on all kinds of sites - it's not a red-blue thing, more a personality thing.

I don't give a rat's behind what we do
to prisoners of war to extract the needed information out of them to save lives. What hacks me off is when this stuff becomes public. Those responsible for making this public are guilty of no less than treason.

The terrorists/prisoners have already proven themselves to be sub-human. Look at the numbers of theirs killed in captivity vs ours killed in captivity. Now why should I feel bad because someone grease ball had panties on his head or was forced to masturbate?

Intellectual dishonesty
This is one of the most intellectually dishonest fabrication I have read for a long time. So it is not islamo-fanatics that are responsible for 911 but rather the 'liberals'? What is even more infuriating is Mr. D'Sousa's attempt to use such a tragic event during which conservatives and liberals were killed without distinction in order to promote a narrow agenda.

May I suggest a reality check test to Mr. D'Sousa: Set course to Kandahar and go make friends with the Talibans. We will then see how long your famed conservative values will keep you alive.

Price of such a war
Not all the pictures were shown to the public but they were shown to Congress. Once congressman described a picture of a naked Iraq being bitten in his private parts by one of the dogs and said it was a very bloody picture. Just because our enemy uses brutal inhuman tactics does not excuse us from trying to remain a civilized nation. The big problem are wars like Viet Nam and Iraq. They are against a people whom we do not consider an enemy but trying to help. The problem is they don't want our help and our help is more of a hinderance than a help. Full scale wars involving invading other sovereign states should only be in response to a direct attack like, against Japan for Pearl Harbor and against Afghanistan for 9/11 and they should be declared and voted on by congress. The limited wars such as Viet Nam which did not allow us to attack the North or Iraq which was unprovoked and is limited in that we cannot attack a mosque if someone is shooting from it and we cannot totally destroy the country into submission as they are not our enemy lead to such things as Abu Grhaib and Mi lei and from speaking to a number of Viet Nam Vets at least two of them said all Viet Namese were considered the enemy when they attacked a village and they had shot women and children personally and thought it was the correct thing to do. Our military is designed for fighting wars not police actions or peace keeping or nation building and we should use it for what it is best for or terrible things seem to happen.

JP
Jessica Lynch was not sodomized. She received better care for her wounds than the Iraqis were doing for their own. She had one of the only two nurses in the hospital for her personal care. The Iraqis knew the extent of her injuries were more than they could handle and tried to bring her back to the American lines. That she was decorated for the action and that her ‘rescuers’ were armed with movie cameras is an affront to the bravery of other soldiers.

again not political, criminal
The actions of those two ex soldiers was clearly criminal. It is as wrong to try to use the actions of those two former soldiers to explain the desires of law abidding liberals as it is to call that example the norm for treatment of U.S. prisoners of war. It is dishonest on both sides and is demonstrable in the fact that those that were responsible for those acts have been removed from their post and are facing criminal penalty.

sorry
I apologize if I offended anyone, but if stupid statements like that are going to be made at all, and somehow tolerated, I would rather such stupid statements come from an actual American.

D'Souza's treason
The fact that D'Souza tries to tie in liberalism or conservatism into this scandal is absurd. There is no correlation between either political ideology and these sexual deviants. I agree with Nee above that some liberals love that freedom of sexual expression, and a bit too much in my book. But D'Souza is wrong on almost every account here- Liberals didnt denounce the scandal just because of interrogation techniques, although I am sure some did. Rather, it was because of the ruthless attack on culture- the reason he mentions why the Arab world was really pissed. In general, liberals and conservatives alike felt the same way the Arab world felt about it. Oh, so Rush Limbaugh represents what every right-winger thinks?

It is an absolute cheap and pathetic way to denounce liberalism. Does it have many flaws today? As far as I am concerned, yes, contemporary liberalism does. And as a centrist, I absolutely resent someone who was not even born in this country coming in and trying to define who we are. Liberals and Conservatives cannot exist without one another, and they are what makes this country great. We sit here and constantly denounce the other side, even though we have best friends and relatives who have different political views than us.

While D'Souza tries to explain that liberalism is responsible for the terrorists actions, all it really is is his indirect attempt to rationalize scumbag cowards maiming innocents, and truly displays D'Souza's disdain for this country. D'Souza should take a step back and realize liberalism, conservatism, our political philosophies do not cause these actions. It is how twisted muslims interpret what their faith teaches that causes these people to become radicalized.

And let us say that our morals are what cause them to hide behind civilians and attack innocents- who the hell are they to judge anyone? I would love to take the high ground and be the better person, but I cannot here and one cheap shot deserves another: If he is so against the moral waywardness (or I guess liberalism) in such an irrational manner, and he essentially agrees with the terrorists reasoning, why doesnt he just put the rag back on his head and go fight with al Qaeda?

Who Are the Pervs?
Stripping prisoners and frog marching them before a digital camera or sodomzing a wounded 20 year female GI while she lies bleeding to death (ie Jessica Lynch)?

While niether are in fact pleasant, and the former was indicative of a military unit totally lacking in discipline and leadership (the POW Camp Commander was a female one-star who escaped a court martial and was allowed to retire), the latter case an example of total perverted deparvity. Of course, Kimbot doesn't see it that way.

The MSM was actually upset that the news of details of Lynch's ordeal became public. When Abu Grab was publicized, criminal referrals already made. Yet, the MSM acted like they broke the case; within a week the Dems were beside themselves with glee. Sen Durbin even commented that the Army was no different than the Nazis; Kennedy went as far as saying Saddam's torture chambers were reopened under new management.

I've yet to hear of the Army publicly cutting off the tongues of prisoners (a weekly event through out Iraq during Saddam's days); running rape rooms; or putting children in prison.

It's Official: D'Souza Is A Sociopath
To blame the actions of solders on "liberal" behavior is outrageous. A good soldier does what he is told -- these soldiers were allowed to run roughshod over prisoners NOT CHARGED WITH A CRIME. This was Rumsfeld policy and Gonzalez policy and by extension Bush policy.

So when conservatives run wild, it's because of liberalism?

I'm glad Townhall keeps people like D'Souza to post his hate and illogic. He should also know that Muslims like being raped and murdered by soldiers even less than being photographed in degrading positions. Hence, their outrage.

And this torture happened in the same cells where Hussein tortured his perceived enemies.

Of course, Bush only started a disastrous war based on lies because of liberal values.


Kimberly and others
So, Gonzales' opinion memo, written some time ago, on the permissibility of torture, somehow caused these two to make prisoners' masyurbate while they took pictures?

Come on! Do you think these two could even identify Gonzales? Do you think an obscure policy memo in the White House has been strongly influencing the behavior of military prison commanders?

The requires a pretty big leap of faith in the Rummy-Bush conspiracy theory doesn't it?

Kimberly
Either you are distorting what I said or you mistake me for someone else
quote: "You have a skewed view of "pleasure". While I'm sure it might have "pleased" you to see those pictures, the media rightly made the public uncomfortably aware of the existence of this kind of treatment."

The point of my post was sometimes you are faced with a situation that has no good answer, but you must do something or DIE.

I took no pleasure, I was disgusted, those two were rightly punished.

The wonderful press often jumps to conclusions as in the Duke case, Hove you heard "Nifong" is now a verb.

Speaking of torture: what was you position on the death of Nick Berg? What was your position on the Al Quidea films of American soldiers being killed by "insurgent" snipers.

Bush has messed up, but Yanking the carpet from under the good troops will only either discourage them or get them killed. Is that what you want?

Moral values, the Arab Mind, & Cheney
Let me continue this rant for one more post...becuase it brings up an interesting question (at least in my mind)...

Let's say you believe D'Souza's analysis that the Muslim world hates us more for our "Blue America" moral values than for occupying thier lands. Why on Earth would you have the VP, with an openly homosexual daughter, be a leader in Middle East policy? If Muslims (as most contemporary religions) think that homosexuality is a cardinal sin, why would you put someone at the negotiating table who accepts homosexuality in his own family???

I mean, I think D'Souza is full of it, so there is my answer.

But I would be interested to see what the D'Souza believers rationalize this one...

One last note...
I always forget one last nugget...

If England and Graner were just emulating what they see from "Blue America", could someone please send me the pictures (or link to) from anyone in "Blue America" where they were putting people in humiliating sexual poses?

If you're going to make this claim that that these "Red State" people were acting out "Blue State" fantasies, at least attach something a little more tangible that "Blue America"...

It's always easy to demonize in broad, general terms...a straw man is always easy to build...That's why conservatives hate and liberals love the Mary Cheney story...because it's a concrete example of your ideology...if you think gay parenting is immoral, then you must believe your beloved Dick Cheney has an immoral daughter (or is she still moral, but is just committing a "Blue America" act?)

Ugh...


Dave
You said, "O this is classic. Conservative minds are constantly in motion thinking up creative ways to blame everything on liberals"

Not just liberals, Dave. Several posts (not all, for sure) on this thread are blaming AG on Muslims and their social and religious customs.

D'Souza is either crazy or so committed to painting a rosy light on everything that happens in this administration that he is will to beleive anything.

D'Souza - Keep beating that horse...
First...D'Souza has been rightly blasted by both sides of the ideological spectrum for his latest piece of trash called a book. Even Bill Bennett thinks this one is way over the line...This, unfortunately, is what conservatives get when they idolize Ann Coulter and put her poorly written diatribes on a pedestal...

Second...I love it when a pundit tells us how the "Muslim World" interpretted the Abu Ghraib scandal. Most folks would have the decency to trot out a biased poll or something to back up thier assertions, but not D'Souza...he just simply claims to know how Muslims really feel and because he says it...it must be so...

Third...I just love how D'Souza links the "act" to the right / left spectrum and not the person committing the act. I'm a liberal and I certainly didn't condone nor would I ever think of doing what these officers did. I guess when Newt Gingrich served his wife with divorce papers in the hospital so he could move on to his next wife, he was committing a "blue state" act as well? If you're going to be the ideological movement that claims to stand up for personal responsibility, don't claim that acts carried out by people on your side don't count...

On the one positive note...it's nice to see that a majority of the comments denounce this childish article, even from some of the conservative readers...

Don't worry Dinesh...a few more illogical, anger filled works and you too can be a regular contributor on the Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh shows...

drt
Thank you so much. Once again someone has offered a definition of Liberal and I find that not one bit of it pertains to me. In fact, amongst all the Democrats I know, I never met one that thought forced sexual activity on imprisoned people was appropriate. So that clears them as well. While I’ve definitely heard anti Christian rhetoric, I’ve heard just as much anti catholic rhetoric from some well known Christians that claimed things like Mother Teresa, despite her good deed was going to hell.

inkling_revival:
Here’s something you might enjoy. Try looking into a mirror when you write your next post. Then you can watch a hypocrite from the right backpedaling. You wrote, “no person's behavior is anybody's fault but his or her own”. Yet your more than willing to contradict yourself and throw away the conservative virtue of individual responsibility to manufacture another reason to blame liberals.

D’Sousa is wrong. The incident at Abu Ghraib was the result of a few aberrant individuals combined with the lack of adequate supervision. If liberal culture had any true influence then the problem would be much more wide spread as most of our young soldiers have not only been exposed to ‘evil liberalism’ all their lives, they’ve had all the other ‘bad’ things like video games and rap music to affect them. Furthermore, if this theory was true the converse would also hold true. Then any time a reverend or some individual who was raised in a strict Christian environment engaged in deviant behavior, it could be reasoned that Christianity has no positive influence on people. Something else to consider is that if the Moslems hold sexual behavior to be so much worse than violence imagine the restraint and scruples they must poses as they don’t make videos of prisoners being sodomized.

Icedog, Cut and paste
abu Ghraib coverup

into google. This is not information that is hard to find. You know as well as I that Rumsfeld did not write a "panty memo", but they did encourage systematic abuse and degradation of prisoners, both at Gitmo and at prisons around Iraq and Afganistan. Several prisoners died of physical abuse.

you guys are nuts
and so are england and graner.

do you really think that each of these individuals was out "realizing" their own sexual freedom by doing these things, and therefore were acting out their liberal beliefs?

you've got to be kidding me.

some people are just sick in the head, man. some people do things like skin dogs while still alive just to watch them bleed. some people like to fantasize about having sex with horses. some people like to have sex with horses. does this mean that they're liberal? no. it just means they're sick.

the only shred of argument you have left is whether or not liberals "tolerate" or "excuse" this behavior as commendable/allowable/wonderful. thus, these people acted in a sick and twisted fashion, and the only problem a liberal could present is if they said that there really isn't anything abnormal about what they did. i have many liberal friends (i live in ny) and not a one said they think that the actions of these individuals was correct, moral or anything but highly disturbing.

somehow dinesh wants to connect the liberal acceptance of some behavior deemed disgusting/abnormal/prurient by conservatives to the acceptance of what happened at abu ghraib, or that the former acceptance granted graner and england the feeling that what they were doing was right. but i doubt either graner and england even put a moments thought into what they were doing, morally speaking. they just did it because they're sick people.

but that's what dinesh wants to equate:

sick people are all liberals, or sick people are all created by liberal beliefs/tolerances/homo rallies.

it's just not the case. further, it's an obscene injustice to logic.

1. Person x committed action y.
2. Action y is morally wrong.
3. Liberals tolerate/accept action y.
4. Thus, any person who commits action y is liberal.

1 and 2 are premises that can correctly be assumed. 3 and 4 are more difficult. First, in 3, it is simply not the case that liberals accept what graner and england did. Second, in 4, dinesh fails to provide a proof that sustains the viability of the claim that liberalism is the EXCLUSIVE genesis of any action y. as i said, some people are just sick. liberals are only at fault if they identify that sickness as something glorious and to be defended, which i have not come across in this instance.

voice of reason
You said, "There is no red/blue significance in the isolated actions of a few morons.

They do not represent either conservative or liberal American values. Nor do these deviants represent the values of our our armed forces. As a result, they have been appropriately punished for their actions."

I totally agree. This is not a left/right issue, but wrong vs. right.

Culture of corruption
Where does the world get most of it's opinions about Americans anyway? From the liberals of course. The world watches everything the liberals say and do, and think they speak for all Americans, because it is they who complains the most, when they are challenged about anything that has to do with their ideology or lifestyle. When your always on the attack, the way the liberals are about anything, the world comes to see their lifestyle as common place in America. If you've noticed it's always the liberals who tries to restrict what Republicans, Conservatives, and the Christian Right says and does, and no ones tells them to just shut up. No one tells the liberal Christians how to worship in their political churches. No one tells the liberals how to raise their anti American spoil children. No one tells the liberal parents, abortion is not a form of birth control for their teenagers. In this country the liberals have become the watchdogs, not because the Conservatives lack morals, but because it's the liberals who are always trying to put their lack on morals, on the American people and anyone who opposes their lack of morals is label a fascist or racist. The Democrats little scheme to oppose President Bush, the war in Iraq, and the attacks on our troops, backfired in their faces because it's the Democrats lifestyle which the radical Muslims condemns so much. The liberals act like the one child, out of two who always has to attack, oppose, hate, spite, seek revenge, and bully to get their way, because the other one out of two never said their ways were wrong. Who do you think the other one is. The Conservatives.

liberalgoodman
Can you please post some of the memos or directives from Rumsfeld ordering the panties, leashes, etc. Just use 'cut & paste' - with quotations please - no rhetoric.

The buck stops where it starts
D'Sousa wrote: "Private Lynndie England and Private Charles Graner, the two main figures involved." -- All evidence points to Abu Ghraib abuses being a direct result of memos from Rumsfeld. It would take google on abu Ghraib coverup and look at the first few hits.

Kimbat
I know that you and the rest of the loony-left continue to fantasize about finding some directive, personally written by the president, ordering these young and stupid troops to put panties on their prisoners, but it doesn't work that way.

Believe it or not, young people (and even old people sometimes) occasionally do very stupid things - without being ordered "by the heads of our government".

It would be like me blaming Ronald McDonald himself when you burn my fries or screw up my order.

The leftist weasel words...
Three or four posts explicitly tried to deny any connection between leftist politics and sociology, on the one hand, and sexual permissiveness on the other. It's hilarious and disgusting; they have no spine.

Desouza is correct; the Muslim world, among other things, hates western sexual permissiveness, and to the extent that Abu Graib was caused by this, they'll blame the West. And while no person's behavior is anybody's fault but his or her own, the Left in American has definitely endorsed and abetted the rise of permissiveness that encourages the likes of England and Graner and makes their behavior seem commonplace.

I am ABSOLUTELY LOVING watching the hypocrites from the Left backpedaling from sexual license here. And I'll remember it the next time we hear the sneers about "church ladies" in the wake of some expression of disgust at the rise of permissiveness, at which times the voices of folks like "voice of reason" are nowhere to be heard. There are only two explanations for their silence on those days -- either they're lying through their teeth today, or they're cowards, and too ashamed to admit that they disagree with their leftist buddies on those other days. What LOSERS!

Graner and England Behaved Like Liberals
D'Souza is 100% correct in his assertion that Graner and England were merely doing what the Liberal-left does ALL the time.

These two did nothing that is considered sin to Left-liberals.

In fact, their behavior is considered normal by the Left. It was certainly considered normal among certified sex perverts and offenders.

In most universities, Left-liberals teach students that this behavior is not only acceptable but even desirable to live what they call a "fulfilling life".

On the other hand these same Left-liberals teach hatred of Christians, including Billy Graham and Mother Teresa, for helping humanity through Christ's love.

Liberals
continue to claim that all US military criminal activity is somehow the fault of Republican military doctrine, or at least imply that it is.

D'Souza at least tried to show that it was part of the liberal culture's mindset that caused US military personnel to embarrass detainees.

The leftist obsession with the Abu Ghraib serial embarrassers is, in itself, pathological. To continue to insist that embarrassing prisoners is worse that cutting off their heads is stuck-on-stupid.

D'Souza implies that if the guards had merely cut off the prisoners heads, the Arab street wouldn't have been so concerned. He wrote, "The main focus of Islamic disgust was what Muslims perceived as extreme sexual perversion. . . [a] perversion [that] is characteristic of American society."

That speaks volumes to me. The Muslims don't consider tying up a prisoner, making him kneel and then sawing off his head as "perverted", but making him masturbate is.

I believe that's the main point of the difference between Muslims and the good guys. They simply have no sense of perspective.

sedonaman
I also remember reading about a major who caught a Iraqi who was giving information to the "Insurgents" as to locations of troops, etc. ( What in WWII would have been called spying and might have gotten them summarily executed.) In admitted violation of UCMJ, he fired a weapon near the man (Making the man think he was about to be killed) The man admitted to helping plan an attack that would have killed many Americans. He was court-martialed and discharged.

To repeat the question, some of my instructors posed at Ft Benning : "What are you going to do, Lieutenant?"

The problem at Abu Grauib was insufficent supervision, and as a previous poster the General in charge of the prison should have borne much of the blame. The term is thrown about by many people of "knew or should have known"

Kim?
IF: What happened at Abu Ghraib degraded US military efforts and our country's standing in the world,

WHY:
did the MSM take such delight in plastering all over the place? Infering that everyone acted that way?




Very helpful analysis
Best explanation I've seen of why Muslims feel as they do about Abu Ghraib.

Btw, if waterboarding saves hundreds or thousands of lives, as in the case of Khalid Muhammed, then we should absolutely do it, or as Cheney so succinctly put it: "[in that situation,] it's a no-brainer".

Do I smell a double standard here?
.
The article states they both held the same rank of private. So why did the man get 10 years and the woman only 3? Also, the sidebar photo caption says that Lt. Col. Steven Jordan is “the only U.S. military officer charged with a crime in the Abu Ghraib scandal will be court-martialed . . . ” Remember the navy admirals punished for not showing “enough leadership” in the “tailhook” incident? So what about the woman general who was in charge of Abu Ghraib prison? When did she show “enough leadership” to prevent this incident? While these two privates get crucified, she got off with a simple demotion -- and complains about it at that! Then we have the “rehabilitation of astronaut Lisa Nowak” by the liberal media
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/the-rehabilitation-of-astronaut-lisa-nowak which documents other examples of the double standard.

Re: Warrior
I love you man. Couldn't have said it as good as you did.

Who shall receive the blame for lowering the level of morality in our country? Unfortunately, men of religion have done things of a sexual nature that demonstrates very low morals. So you cannot say people of religion are taking the high road and the rest the low road. You just don't know.

As I see it the constant pressure from TV, Hollywood and marketing firms that use sex as a tool to sell their product is brain washing millions of innocent people into lowering their moral guard. The Super bowl car ad featuring near naked men carressing a car and the voice over saying, "Men just can't keep their hands off it." is a good example of lowering marals.

Low moral character is classless, raceless, partyless, etc. Low morals can be found in poverty ridden regions as easily as in well to do regions. Low morals has a lot to do with a lack of acceptance of God's law as it is a higher standard than man's law, which almost covers the basics of God's law.

Our country would do well to address this trend toward lowering our morals regardless of what the Muslim world thinks about us.




Bleeding Heart Liberal
"the fringe freak christian psychotics"
Who are these people? Name a few that we might recognize. You throw phases and labels around like you know what you are talking about. You don't--you are an idiot and it is evident by what you write and how you write. It is people like you that justify the lunacy of the left. What lunacy you ask? Hollywood, ACLU, MSM, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Barbara Streisand, Sheila Jackson Lee, Barney Franks, and the lefts intent to change our Republic into a Socialist/secularist dominated state.

Crazy Logic
This has got to be one of the worst excuses for the problems at Abu Ghraib I have ever heard.

Let me get this straight. If a conservative leaning individual does some stupid and immoral the author says it is because he was influenced by the liberal left? Using this logic everyone who ever does anything approaching this depravity has a built in excuse for their behavior. And I though that being conservative meant taking responsibility for one's own actions and NOT making excuses.

Crazy Logic
This has got to be one of the worst excuses for the problems at Abu Ghraib I have ever heard.

Let me get this straight. If a conservative leaning individual does some stupid and immoral the author says it is because he was influenced by the liberal left? Using this logic everyone who ever does anything approaching this depravity has a built in excuse for their behavior. And I though that being conservative meant taking responsibility for one's own actions and NOT making excuses.

I am a conservative
and I take exception to this article. As Big Belly noted the Muslim world has plenty of its' own deviancy to take care of and casting aspersions on the entire left in this country is ridiculous.

How many times is D'Souza going to try to find reasons the Muslims hate us. No matter what the reasons are, whether they are founded or not gives them no excuse to want us dead.

And, how many Muslims are punished by their own society for torturing our soldiers, cutting innocents heads off, to name a few of the brutalities.

At least, when caught the US convicts individuals such as England and Ganer and puts them behind bars.

Muslim values
I agree with Doug in that this is the first time I feel like I've gotten the whole story on Abu Ghraib. But the idea that the Muslim world really has more deeply held, deeply felt moral values than does the Western world is very suspect. Wealthy Arab men for decades have had a reputation for sexual deviancy that would leave the guys in the San Francisco bath-houses fluttering with admiration.

And to suomi78006: high-life liberalistas don't enlist.

Conservatives or Liberalistas?
"But being low-life Appalachians, Graner and England inspired none of these elevated thoughts."

So, how does the author know that these sexual deviates were not high-life Appalachian Liberalistas?

Please note
That Graner, England and the 5 in Drivebyposting's posting either are in the process or have been curtailed.

Those that have been caught have been / are being tried. The Army may be doing better than the OJ DA's. or the US Congress.

The Sixties
If there is a connection here with liberals, it would be through the Sixties. It's hard to imagine American soldiers acting this way before the Sixties, but now it's not so hard.

I do have to say that I wonder where Mr. D'Souza gets his information about the Muslim world. He doesn't cite sources or personal experiences or anything. It's not that I'm questioning it. I doubt if the left's views on the opinions of the Muslim world counts for much of anything, but it would be nice to see something to back this up.

roadmaster
Are you speaking from experience or are you the one who managed to avoid this cultural pitfall?

Blue elitist perverts
The sexual revolution the old pony-tailed hippies still cling to has degraded so much of our culture, and if anyone protests, they're labeled a prude, unenlightened or religious Nazis, imposing an archaic set of values.

Who demands abortion as a birth control method, to remove consequences for promiscuous sex? Who pushes a vaccine for STD's on 6th graders? How did porn become free speech? It's the sexual freedom crowd, folks. These followers of Kinsey, Mead and Marx, who secretly want to have sex with young children, control minority populations and destroy the family unit so they can rush in and assert control in the resultant chaos.

We are awash in filth; films, TV, and music are so saturated with sex, nudity, crude language and lewd behavior. Just ask any 6 year old what they know about such things and you'd be shocked. They have more knowledge at their age than I did at 16.

England and Graner are products of this culture and Dinesh is absolutely on point when he points out how the left ignores the causes and misrepresents the results in a twisted political gambit to smear the C in C, our military and the country in general.

We must expose and deny control to these self-loathing jerks, by any means, because they'll be the end of us all, and that is no exaggeration.

Try again...
Is this guy for real? I can agree that the liberals love their freedom of sexual expression and flaunt it many different ways. These two people were just plain stupid. No other interpretation necessary.

In my opinion,excluding the England incident, the torture the Abu Grahib prisoners might deal with is nothing compared to what our soldiers endured on the island of Cabanatwan(see the Great Raid).
Now the left-minded thinkers will complain of how inhuman we are as captors...did the captors of our soldiers deprive them of food,medical care,any dignity? Yes. How about Bibles and letters from home? Yes. Forced them to watch execution after execution of their comrades, forced them to labor, for what?
What have we done with few exceptions...Provided medical care, specific dietary foods in accordance with faith,give Korans(Qu'ran)prayer rugs...I am sure there is much more...so the incidents of torture we do hear of are always completely used and abused to paint our Military as bad. Go ahead, tell a vet who was there how bad these guys in AG or Gitmo have it. If he hasn't laughed you off the planet or spit in disgust,I would be surprised.

Two wrongs...
...don't make a right, as the old saying goes, so the failings of our society plus the failings of the Muslim/Islamofascist societies do not make everything okay.
However, though the Muslims/Islamofascists are deeply humiliated and hurt by the values portrayed by this Abu Ghraib incident (and others,) I hardly think they compare with the horror experienced by someone having a limb or head removed. Or put through an industrial shredder.

As a few posters have said, it's nice to have all the details of the incident described; this should've come out sooner. But I sure hope Dinesh is doing just that, describing and not requiring us, however subtly, to genuflect and/or to slobber an apology to these death-loving people.

If they want so badly to die, we should oblige them.

THIS IS GREAT!!!!
O this is classic. Conservative minds are constantly in motion thinking up creative ways to blame everything on liberals.

Everyone is missing the point but me.

Dinesh never meant ALL blue staters, he just meant the elitists, which he defined. I think that many of you do protest too much!

His other point was that the MSM (Mainstream Media) glossed over the sexual humiliation angle and framed it as the only way that Abu Ghraib prisoners were treated, instead of the work of a few nutjob individuals. Now that I've read this, I now have a better understanding of what was going on over there. Most normal people here do respect other cultures, but we understand that most Muslims don't want to understand ours because we have too much freedom. And sometimes that freedom is what leads to stupidity as that shown by England and Graner.


not liberal or conservative
This was a good article in that I have not seen this much detail as to what happened in Abu Graib. Up until now the most I heard was that a couple jr. enlisted personel made some humiliating photos in a misguided attempt to pressure prisoners for information. So thanks for the back ground. However the analysis that this is a blue red issue is just wrong and if it was an attempt at humor it didnt work.

Nuts!
There is no red/blue significance in the isolated actions of a few morons.

They do not represent either conservative or liberal American values. Nor do these deviants represent the values of our our armed forces. As a result, they have been appropriately punished for their actions.

Dinesh, unless you are looking for shock value to promote your book, you really need to look elsewhere for your material.

The Muslim world hasn't much of a clue about the source of America's success; just as they don't understand the reasons for the failure of their own culture to improve their lives. If they did, they would be seeking to import our work-ethic, ingenuity and economic system, not just our insipid & trashy movies and the other 'trappings' of our culture.

Despite their group-rhetoric, most individual Muslims (and other would-be critics of our culture) would gladly put up with (and maybe even indulge in) our excesses to enjoy our underlying freedom and affluence. However, as a group, they repeat the condemnations of America that they hear from their leaders.

As despicable as the deviant behavior of England and Graner was, the overhyped coverage of Abu Ghraib was intended to paint our mission in Iraq in the worst possible light. That objective was accomplished by the NYTimes and the usual suspects.

It is easier for leaders of failed systems to use America as a scapegoat - than to explain that they have wasted the last 13 centuries on a failed ideology.

Consider this: after 13 centuries, their only claim to fame is that they could use OUR airplanes to destroy a few buildings! Can they name anything of substance that they have BUILT w/out Western technology and know-how? Many of these people owe their lives to our life-saving vaccines and drugs. What little affluence they have would not be possible without our achievements.

Sure, it is easy for the NYTimes to exploit the behavior of a couple of nuts to further their Leftist agenda. Much easier than any real journalism that might require some insight. This deviant behavior can be graphically described, ad nauseum. It's has been milked endlessly for a readership that seems to delight in prolonging such anti-American exposure far beyond the time that it deserves.

Dinesh, my suggestion is that you drop this sensationalist nonsense - and go back to writing your old stuff (e.g. "What's so Great about America", "Illiberal Education" and others).

Lip service to torture
"To his credit, President Bush made no attempt to defend Abu Ghraib, firmly asserting that it didn’t represent America."

Yes he did and then his administration proceeded to maintain their right to water-board prisoners. How nice.

is D'Souza an idiot or what?
To equate Abu Graib with liberals is as asinine as the fringe freak christian psychotics get. These people shamed our nation by their actions as individuals.

If this fool, D'Souza, is an intellectual spokesman for the right, God help you, for you are lost.

Mr. D'Souza
The actions of Graner and England are not compatible with most Americans, whether they are conservatives or liberals.

Graner and England's behavior was depraved and criminal. I don't think that most Americans whatever their political/social beliefs are, would condone this behavior, much less minimize it. And, let's not forget they were prosecuted and sent to prison for their offenses.

While there is a segment of our society that practices sexual deviancy, as you state, the average American does not engage in this.

You state:
"Many ordinary Muslims were scandalized to see how some Americans behave, and how other Americans who should know better try to cover these disgraceful things up."

I suggest that the Muslim world has its own set of problems, including sexual deviancy which is covered up. The ordinary Muslim male is allowed to have several wives is he not? Affairs American style are not necessary when the Muslim male can have many "wives". Women are stoned in the Muslim world. Is this not disgraceful?

And where is the ordinary Muslims outrage at the torturing and killing of innocent people? The silence is deafening.



Soldier Gets 100 Years for Rape, Killing


(02-22) 19:59 PST Fort Campbell, Ky. (AP) --

A U.S. soldier was sentenced to 100 years in prison Thursday for the gang rape and murder of an Iraqi girl and the killing of her family last year.

Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, 24, also was given a dishonorable discharge. He will be eligible for parole in 10 years under the terms of his plea agreement.

Cortez, of Barstow, Calif., pleaded guilty this week to four counts of felony murder, rape and conspiracy to rape in a case considered among the worst atrocities by U.S. military personnel in Iraq.

In his plea agreement, he said he conspired with three other soldiers from the Fort Campbell-based 101st Airborne Division to rape 14-year-old Abeer Qassim al-Janabi. The girl, her parents and a younger sister were all killed.

Earlier Thursday, tears rolled down Cortez's face as he apologized for the rape and murders. He said he could not explain why he took part.

"I still don't have an answer," Cortez told the judge. "I don't know why. I wish I hadn't. The lives of four innocent people were taken. I want to apologize for all of the pain and suffering I have caused the al-Janabi family."

The military judge hearing the case, Col. Stephen R. Henley, issued a sentence of life in prison without parole, the maximum for the charges. Under military law, the defendant is given the lesser sentence unless he violates terms of the plea agreement, which requires Cortez to testify against others charged in the case.

Psychologist Charles Figley testified that Cortez and the other soldiers likely suffered stress brought on by fatigue and trauma.

"It eats you up," Figley said. "It's a horrible thing. This is not unique. We've seen this in other wars."

Five soldiers who served with Cortez in Iraq testified that his actions were out of character and described the hardships of war they experienced, including sleep deprivation and the lack of running water.

"I just never would have seen it coming," said Staff Sgt. Tim Briggs, who has known Cortez for five years and served with him in Iraq.

Prosecutors said the stress was no excuse for the actions of Cortez and the other soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division, based at Fort Campbell.

On Wednesday, Cortez described raping the girl in her family's home in Mahmoudiya last March, along with Spc. James Barker, 24. Barker pleaded guilty in November to rape and murder and was sentenced to 90 years in military prison.

Barker has said in a sworn statement that the soldiers drank whiskey and played cards while plotting the assault.

Cortez said this week that former private Steven D. Green raped the girl before he did. Then Green shot her father, mother and sister before shooting the teen in the head, Cortez said.

He also testified that the soldiers tried to burn the girl's body. They burned their own clothes and threw the murder weapon, an AK-47, into a canal in an effort to dispose of the evidence.

Cortez was found not guilty of more serious charges of premeditated murder and conspiracy to premeditated murder.

Pfcs. Jesse Spielman, 22, and Bryan Howard, 19, await courts-martial. Green, who is accused of being the ringleader but was discharged from the military before being charged, will be prosecuted in a federal court in Kentucky.
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