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Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
PBS, Bill Moyers and the Rev. Wright
by Dennis Prager
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When Air America, the left-wing talk radio network, began, I predicted that it would not succeed. One of the main reasons I gave was that liberals already had their views expressed in the mainstream news media -- the major networks, PBS and NPR (National Public Radio), and just about every major city newspaper. Therefore, the need liberals have for liberal talk radio is nowhere near the need conservatives have for conservative talk radio.

To its credit, The New York Times -- through its public editor -- has acknowledged that the Times is liberal; and anyone intellectually honest understands this is true regarding virtually all of the news media. But for those still needing proof, Bill Moyers supplied it on PBS this past weekend during his interview of one of the most radically polarizing figures in America today, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Sen. Barack Obama's mentor and pastor for 20 years.

The Rev. Wright's decision to allow himself to be interviewed by Bill Moyers was, from his perspective, an excellent one. It is difficult to imagine a less challenging, more fawning, interview.

How bad was it?

Given that one of the most egregious of the Rev. Wright's statements was his charge that the American government developed the AIDS virus and inflicted it on black Americans, one assumed that the first major reporter to interview Wright since the comments were made public would ask him about it. Not Bill Moyers. Beyond mentioning in the opening introduction, "Wright repeating the canard heard often in black communities that the U.S. government spread HIV in those communities," the subject was never raised.

But Moyers did ask Wright tough questions like these:

"When did you hear the call to ministry? How did it come?"

"What does the church service on Sunday morning mean in general to the black community?"

Instead of challenging Wright's un-Christian, anti-American and immoral "God damn America, God damn America" statement, Moyers asked three questions about it:

Here they are (I could not make up such puffball questions):

1. "One of the most controversial sermons that you preach is the sermon you preach that ended up being that sound bite about God damn America."

Wright's response was to deliver a 300-word indictment of America for its violence against the world.

And how then does Moyers respond? With another killer question:

2. "What did you mean when you said that?"

So Wright then delivered another, 174-word, indictment of America for its evils.

But instead of challenging Wright or defending America, Moyers' third question was:

3. "Well, you can be almost crucified for saying what you've said here in this country."

Moyers changes Wright's "God damn America" to "Poor Rev. Wright."

And why not? It is soon clear that Moyers essentially agrees with Wright about America:

"What is your notion of why so many Americans seem not to want to hear the full Monty -- they don't want to seem to acknowledge that a nation capable of greatness is also capable of cruelty?"

For the many Americans who suspect that most Americans on the left silently agree with nearly all of Wright's views of America, Moyers provided proof.

Nevertheless, Moyers' total failure to confront the America-hating, race-preoccupied mentor of a man who may be the next president of the United States does not mean the interview was worthless. Any time Wright speaks publicly, even with the most sympathetic of questioners, we learn more about the two motivators of his thinking: race and contempt for America.

Here is Wright in his sermon the Sunday after 9-11 as replayed during the Moyers interview:

"Terrorism! We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel. We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenagers and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hardworking fathers. We bombed Gadafi's home and killed his child. 'Blessed are they who bash your children's head against a rock!' We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy. Killed hundreds of hardworking people; mothers and fathers who left home to go that day, not knowing that they would never get back home. We bombed Hiroshima! We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye! Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children after school, civilians -- not soldiers -- people just trying to make it day by day. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant? Because the stuff we have done overseas has now been brought back into our own front yards! America's chickens are coming home to roost! Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred and terrorism begets terrorism."

To which Moyers offered another lacerating response:

"You preached that sermon on the Sunday after 9-11, almost seven years ago. When people saw the sound bites from it this year, they were upset because you seemed to be blaming America. Did you somehow fail to communicate?"

Finally, as regards the Rev. Wright's Africa-centric form of Christianity, this was Wright's explanation to his young church members as shown during the PBS interview:

"We wanted our stained-glass windows to tell the story of the centrality of Africans in the role of Christianity from its inception up until the present day. We play some interesting games educationally with the kids to help kids understand -- 'Can you name the seven continents?' As a kid, you learn that in school. All right, on what continent did everything in the Bible from Genesis to Malachi take place?"

And, of course, the Reverend and his church's answer is: Africa.

Now, as it happens, the Middle East is not Africa. It is Asia Minor, or Southwest Asia, if one must have an identifying continent. And Jesus was not black, nor were the apostles. It's all racial pride. And not true. Africa in the Bible is overwhelmingly Egypt, which was not black and not a moral model.

In sum: PBS has done some wonderful programming. But when it comes to the news or anything controversial, it is as politically correct and liberal as the rest of the news media. As for Bill Moyers, had Mrs. Wright interviewed the Rev. Wright, the questions and reactions could not have been less challenging or even supportive. And as regards the Rev. Wright, the more he talks, the more one worries about Barack Obama's values.

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The Wrong Questions
Moyer needed to ask the tough and important questions instead of those wimpy, softball questions. The un-Christian, anti-American, and G-d damn American statements need to be addressed. As Dennis concluded, "the more one hears Rev. Wright talk, the more one worries about Barrack Obama's values"..... So True!

When Dennis Prager Types...

It becomes painfully obvious that America has no shortage of brilliance, just an over-tapped well of ignorance.

Long live common sense!

(Even liberals have to acknowledge Prager's superior mind)

Rev. Wright - Not a sound bite
It is interesting to note that Mr. Prager is so harsh on Bill Moyer for being soft on Rev. Wright when his approach is to just limit his interviews to people and subjects that are essentially in agreement with his own. This is a problem I find with much of the talk show hosts, left, right and center. Each has an agenda and rarely do they allow opposing viewpoints. I would agree with several of Mr. Prager's points. In particular Rev. Wright statement about the "seven continents" stained glass windows. However, it was clear that Mr. Wright is well educated and in IMHO quite eloquent on a wide range of subjects. He was certainly less controversial in his Moyer interview than his sound bites make him out to be and less controversial than a large number of clergy who are considered "mainstream".

I found the Bill Moyer interview refreshing in that it at least it let Rev. Wright have a normal conversation on a range of subjects. Further, it is apparent to anyone with a modicum of objectivity what he meant by the now famous "God Damn the US" phrase. I don't have to agree with him but it is not a big jump for me to understand why blacks would curse the living conditions (and their "country" ) in the segregationist South of the 1940s, 50s and 1960s.

Rev. Wright is a bridge between the turbulent "civil rights reform" era and the present day. I don't agree with him a several issues (such as the origin of Aids). However, he clearly deserves to be treated much better than he has been by the media.

WFalicoff...

"Rev. Wright is a bridge between the turbulent "civil rights reform" era and the present day."
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I'm not certain that you have ever met a Rev. Wright type person, but these folks are a bridge to nowhere. Wright connects turn of the century lynchings, with a Chicago Cop arresting a Black teen... a teen who just killed a classmate.

After filling his Pews with Hate... Wright jumps into a big Lincoln, and drives off to his very big house, in his very White neighborhood.

Wright leaves that rage behind him every Sunday afternoon...

And never bats an eye.

Carlos
1)) Did you see the Bill Moyer's show? If not your opinion is not worth very much. Perhaps you actually know Rev. Wright. If not you have no way of determining what kind of "person" much less what it means to be a "Rev. Wright Type" person

2) I do have some experience in the African American community of the 1960s. I worked in the 1960s (in between going to university) as a staff member of the Suffolk County Human Rights Commission helping people in the poor neighboorhood of Wyandanch, NY get jobs. Many were recent arrivals from the deep south.

3) I assume that you condemn all clergy who live in a big house and lead a high life style. Or does your condemnation limit itself to those who have an association with Senator Obama?

I disagree with your statement that Rev. Wright "fills his Pews with Hate" based on what I have read and seen of Wright. Apparently, his congregation and a large number of clergy and others says otherwise.

I suggest your comments "Wright connects turn of the century lynchings..." makes no sense at all. First, the last lynchings occurred well after 1900 (assume this is the century you are referring to). Secondly, Wright's message on the Bill Moyer interview and the one given to the NAACP last night was a positive message - "different not deficient".

Wright's treatment at the hands of the media looks to me like it has all the trappings of a modern day "verbal" lynching.

Mainstream Religion?
Apparently it is "mainstream" to preach "God damns all Americans who are not born-again Christians" but it is un-American to preach that God "disapproves" of the some of actions of our government (or people) of the United States. This sort of epistemology is in my view very dangerous. Hypocracy is alive and well in the US media and especially in the comments of Mr. Prager.

I might not agree with Rev. Wright's conspiratorial assertions but he has every right to say and preach that God disapproves of many of the things done in the US in the past and the present. (For example the internment of Japanese in WII or treatment of Native Americans.)I for one, as a patriotic American, take no offense with this as I feel that valid criticism of one's country is in reality the highest expression of patriotism.

WFalicoff . . .
You say, "Wright's treatment at the hands of the media looks to me like it has all the trappings of a modern day "verbal" lynching." This is a disgusting example of trying to extinguish free speech. Shame on you. Criticizing Mr. Wright is simply that. It is not a verbal lynching, and if you don't know the difference, then you didn't learn anything from the 1960s. I did.

The media has treated Wright with restraint, that is the point of the column. Today's civil rights problem is the sense of entitlement that foolish and selfish people in the black community foster. I was in the south in 1964, and anyone who compares some criticism of Wright (well deserved, in my opinion) with the kind of prejudice and segregation that broke my heart then is beyond hope. I am sorry for my anger, but such language as you show cheapens what was done then.

Carlos
I did see the interview.If I had never seen either person before the interview,I may have had a different impression.

My impression was that Moyers,who is far left,wanted to give Wright a platform so he could try to appeal to the PBS audience.PBS is also liberal,so maybe it worked.

I am not liberal,so it did not work for me.I am not politically correct.I have no guilt for anything I have done to anyone.It is time for what I call 'do-gooders' to realize,they are only aiding and abetting the pity party and hatred the rest of us see going on every day.

When do we get a break?I grew up poor and had it a lot worse than most blacks tody..We never took a cent from the government and worked hard to make a living.These people should get out of the wagon and pull it for a change.

Carlos,you are right in your argument.Keep it up.

Great interview
I ask that everyone actually watch the interview. Gives you greater insight and context about Rev. Wright. A great man to say the least!

WFalicoff
What you said. : )

WFalicoff
Great post.

As for the lynching reference, I think Clarence's "high tech lynching" works better! LOL!

I call BS on WFalicoff
WFalicoff writes:
It is interesting to note that Mr. Prager is so harsh on Bill Moyer for being soft on Rev. Wright when his approach is to just limit his interviews to people and subjects that are essentially in agreement with his own.

It's clear that you don't listen to Dennis Prager's show regularly, because he frequently has on his radio show people with whom he disagrees. In fact, Dennis's mantra is that he prefers clarity to agreement. You should try it some time.

Will
I agree that I am not ready for a BLACK president, a GAY president nor a HISPANIC president.

I don't need the oval office filled by an agenda driven individual who is willing to promote divisive, minority policies. What I do want is a AMERICAN president who respects the constitution and the mores which made a strong unified country!

Nuts to these victim groups who demand special treatment and goodies.

FOWG
But you know exactly what I meant. You are probably also not ready for a black-skinned american president. You don't want any minority group running because your party teaches you that they are only a walking "victim" agenda, each & every one of them.

When you san "Nuts to these victim groups who demand special treatment and goodies", that is a way for you to insulate yourself, and you can practically HEAR the political inculcation that went into forming your current beliefs.

To you, a guy who casually mentions that he has a boyfriend or partner is automatically pushing an "agenda", yet the guy who mentions he has a wife or girlfriend is not. The guy who mentions he has a boyfriend is immediately seen as "demanding special treatment", even if his desires are no more nor less than the guy with the girlfriend.

Go figure.

Moyers is a laughingstock
Bill Moyers is a pathetic toady for the Left. The whole interview with racist, anti-American Wright was transparent propaganda.

Like it or not, Wright's not going away
Rev. Wright is a surrogate father for Obama. His hate-filled, America-hating lies are a reflection on Obama whether you leftists want to acknowledge that or not.

Imagine for a moment that John McCain had been a member of Fred Phelps hater church, Westboro Baptist Church for 20 years and claimed Phelps as his mentor and adviser. McCain's presidential campaign would last as long as it took the next morning's newspaper to hit the stoop.

As Obama's past and political viewpoints slowly bubble up from a poorly concealed well, we can only hope, for America's sake, that these accumulated truths will prove fatal to his presidential aspirations.

I would vote for . . .
Colin Powell
Condi Rice
J.C. Watts
Thomas Sowell
Walter Williams
Larry Elder
Tammy Bruce
Laura Ingraham
Linda Chavez

and a whole list of others for any political office. I could care less what the skin color or gender is of these people. I care greatly about their ideas and character.

I remember during the Persian Gulf War that Colin Powell was asked how we were going to attack the venerable Iraqi Republican Guard. His answer was something like 'we're going to cut it off and kill it'. No fancy footwork and polically correct speech. Clear, decisive action. And that is what they did. That is a leader I could follow.

I think the point of Dennis' column is that Rev. Wright chose to do his coming out party with Bill Moyers. This was not a random choice. His only alternative was Keith Olbermann. I guess he thought Moyers had higher ratings.

Oh, and for the comment about conservative radio only having guests that agree with them, you must be confused with Olbermann. He's the one that does that. I routinely hear 'the opposing viewpoint' either via callers or guests on conservative talk radio. That is one of the main reasons it is so successful.



Jeremiah Wright is a loose cannon

I’ve been to five black churches, one of which I joined. None of them had pastors who preached anything near what Rev. Wright has preached.

Rev. Wright is a loose cannon who is reversing decades of progress for African-Americans. In no way does he represent most black churches. Wright's blasting is undoing the respect and recognition that African-Americans gained with movies like “Glory.”




Wright is a disengenuous charlatan
He proved it yesterday at the National Press Club. One of the questions was whether Muslims could find salvation without being Christians.

Wright, a supposedly Christian minister,said “Jesus said, 'other sheep have I who are not of this fold.'” This is a misquote from John 10:15, “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:”

But notice the “:“ at the end of the passage? The rest of the passage reads, ”them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

In other words, no. But Mr. Wright (not being “Reverend”), a Doctor of Divinity who obviously knew better, chose to misrepresent the words of Jesus as recorded in the Bible. It just shows how low this man will go. Let's hope those who consider him a “Spiritual mentor” are more honest and honorable, especially if they want to be the president.


worst of all
The pitiful thing is, we the taxpayers are funding this leftist biased PBS network, paying Bill Moyer's salary so he can work against us. PBS is nothing but an arm of the DNC.

I knew
from the first minute, when i heard Bill Moyers was going to interview the "reverand" Wright, it was going to be a plug for Obama.

Moyers is a socialist party backer.
What is seemingly not known by the average socialist voter is that they will soon be shut out along with American voters.
Yes, it will happen!

Wright
Has no clue what the true Christian faith is about. He preaches a cultic pseudo-Christian faith that is primarily a racist diatribe agains the U.S. Has the U.S. government been responsible for heinous crimes? Definitely. But is the U.S. any different than any other country in this respect? Absolutely not. So why doesn't Wright "God Damn" all those other nations? And why doesn't he damn the African countries that sold the black people into slavery to start with!?!?

Wright can have his political belief system, but his racist model of what Christianity is has no business in the pulpit; he is leading too many people astray with false teaching.

Will
No, the guy who says he has a boyfriend is immediately seen as emotionally dysfunctional.

Bill Moyers and the Reverend Wright
Bill Moyers lost my respect long ago. He's the Jimmy Carter of journalism; cut from the same wishy washy, America loathing, holier-than-thou cloth.

GIVE US A BREAK,TH
SO ITS OK FOR CNN, FOX AND EVERY NEWS MEDIA IN OUR LAND TO SWING RIGHT BEFORE GETTING AN INDEPTH UNDERSTANDING OF AN AMERICAN PREACHER,

BUT YOU CONDEMN PBS FOR BRINGUNG THE MAN BEHIND THE WORDS TO THE FOREFRONT.


WHAT A DOUBLE STANDARD.

Is our country's government capable of doing underhanded things internationally, domestically without our knowledge of understanding? Of course it is.

Whether Rev. Wright actually believes, preaches or knows...he has every right to express within the context of his sermon a LESSON for LEARNING FORM, as the next guy.

You protect your right to bear arms, yet you do not protect your brothers's right to teach his congregation (which, by the way, brings fruit to its community) to carry on.

You are hypicrites of the worst kind.

The kind that really could scare Americans.

What the hell are you so afraid of, here? An American awakening to the truth, which has been surpressed for too long?

What do you stand to gain by covering up our hidden policies regarding health, oil and money in this land? This land is my land. This land is your land. From California to the....this land was made for you AND me.

Reverend Wright
In short, the reverend is a believer. You can't tell a believer anything because their belief is not based on evidence. It is simply based on a deep seated need to believe.

lilycat
what are YOU doing in your lifetime to assist in our global world's current and dimminishing condition?

I ask you. What a whimp of a statement, you've made here. Are you proud to be a disrepectful American? You should not be.

Those who knock those who actually roll up their sleeves and work for peace, internationally, domestically & with personal sacrifice deserve your good wishes [at very least].


Jim
You're incorrect.

A spiritual person bases his beliefs on what he has proven to be right. Fully tested.

Just because you cannot see the evidence, for yourself, does not mean that God's facts don't hold true. "Believers" as you collectively call them, have studied Biblical teachings, writings in great depth for a lifetime; and consequently, prove them correct, without a doubt. This is a scientific study.

What you do not understand is that spiritual truth is not material truth. They are relms apart. So how could we expect you to understand a spiritual concept without your desire to understand it? We can't.

You are the believer, here. Or disbeliever, if you will.

Until you have put all aside to do such work, please keep your unsubstantiated comments to a mum. You'll be smarter for it.


Just Who Are Obama's Real Friends?
Finally, in recent weeks we have heard of some of BHO's friends but I'm guessing not all of his lousy choices have shown up yet. More to come? Wright's side show at the National Press Club was also a winner. And I sure would like to know who in the audience was cheering on the Revrun. Press? Stooges? Liberals? Or just the MSM? Moyers also did not ask questions about Wright's high dollar home that is probably being built on the shoulders of the church goers. Quite different from what I know of pastors, except many TV preachers that dress up, chant, have squirrely hair and beard treatments, and promise salvation if you buy the book or CD.

glenchatfield
Do you raise someone else's children across town, when you are so involved raising your own?

Why not?

In setting example to your own family, why not set example to those children in need across town, at the same time?

Reverend Wright loves his country...as I do.

The Rev. is fed up, as I am, with this nations dimminishing means of caring for its people.

He has the audacity to act upon his discust for:

our television is poison against Americans.

our medical industry is nothing more than profit margins.

our health care is an oximoron. it has little to do with health CARE.

GREEN is cache only currently. Some have been respecting the land and cherishing it for generations.

our policies stem from greed, alone.

need I go on?

when Wright says, "God Damn America!" He stands as Jesus would. Enough is enough.

Learn something. You can't learn something without bringing it to be noticed.

How can you be so wrong in your thinking
The more Reverend Wright speaks the more one worries about Barack Obama's values. I'm more worried about the length people will go to link Obama to Reverend Wright because of their support for Hillary. That is the bases for the attacks aren't they. You support Hillary, but you won't come out and say so. Whats the next best thing. Point out everything that is wrong with Obama beginning with his associations, his church, his pastor, and his comments. Where does that leave Hillary in the minds of the voters. Well if Hillary isn't getting any attacks from talk radio and Fox, then it must mean she's the best candidate to face John McCain. Right. It's funny how those in talk radio and Fox wants Obama to do a lot of explaining, but no one demands an explanation from those in talk radio and Fox on whether or not their going to support McCain if Hillary gets the nomination. I mean if you, talk radio and Fox can't find anything to attack Hillary on now, how will you and the others find anything to attack her on if she has to face McCain. You can't have it both ways.

Bill Moyers Interview with Rev Wright
Perhaps the reason that the so called mainstream media like the New York Times is "liberal" in the eyes of the author of this commendtary is that they are open to new ideas and interpretations rather than dismissing them out of hand as he does. I thought that the Moyers interview with Wright was extremely enlightening but many conservatives instead of learning from things like this apparently just want to use it as a sounding board for repeating their long held and narrow minded predjudices and sense of outrage that America could ever had done something wrong. As a person who has lived all over the world and travels frequently I can attest that Rev Wright put his finger exactly on one of the key reasons why we are so resented in many places around the world. All the talk about improving our image is useless unless we are willing to make an effort to understand ourselves and why others often do not like what they see and hear from America. At least Bill Moyers and the New York Times are making an effort to do this. The author of the commentary apparently just wants to stick his head in the sand and blame everyone else for their views if he does not like them. Many experts would consider this a form of mental illness bordering on paranoia.

Obama's Associations
Many supporters of Barak Obama are asking why his associations are being so thoroughly scrutinized. We do not see the same thing with Hillary or McCain, so why is Obama being singled out?

It is a legitimate question, and there is a legitimate answer. Simply put, we don't know much about Barak Hussein Obama. He has not been on the national public scene very long in comparison to other candidates. Starry eyed liberals, who dream of an anti-establishment candidate, black, who promises to be the most liberal candidate since George McGovern.

The American voter has the right to know EVERYTHING about their candidates, and if they don't have an extensive personal record already, WHO they choose to associate with is fair game.

If Obama does not want his associations vetted, he should bow out, otherwise, sit back and enjoy the process.

Nellie
I am sure Jim really believes that.

Excellent! Donald Jameson!
I, also, have travelled the world, and know, first hand what our image has become...although, I must say, other nations I've conversed in are quite polite, and kind when speaking of our country and its policies.

That's been my experience. Their news coverage is, also.

We got our most polorized and poked fun at coverage when Bill and Monica were front page.
What an embarrassment that was.

King Liberal
Nothing warms my heart this morning quite like the fact that my vote is going to cancel yours out.

WFallicof says...
"I don't have to agree with him but it is not a big jump for me to understand why blacks would curse the living conditions (and their "country" ) in the segregationist South of the 1940s, 50s and 1960s. "

So, tell me, why aren't Jews in their temples spitting and frothing over Germans? I'm a Jew, and I don't happen to hate Germans or the people of the past when my family came to this country and wouldn't give a Jew a break.

Jews Need Not Apply was a sign my parents saw quite often in their early teens into their 20's. They lived in ghettos as well, they had racial challenges, they were nearly genocided, the KKK and white people despised them too.

So tell me, why aren't Jews cursing America, Germany or the Egyptians?

Will,
I certainly am ready for a black President. I am sure we can count on your support of Larry Elder, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Condi Rice or Steele.

Nellie/King Liberal
From Genesis to Malachi:

Now, as it happens, the Middle East is not Africa. It is Asia Minor, or Southwest Asia, if one must have an identifying continent. And Jesus was not black, nor were the apostles. It's all racial pride. And not true. Africa in the Bible is overwhelmingly Egypt, which was not black and not a moral model.

If you must lie to your children in church, you will lie to everyone outside of it. Or do you two just pick and choose to fit your own agendas? Your as pathetic as the lying Rev Wright!

WFalicoff
Pragers point is moot.
Right wing talk radio is openly and unapologetically agenda driven, and proud to say it.
PBS, on the other hand, still maintains that they are merely voicing the concerns of the American mainstream.
It's a flat lie.
The feel good left is living in a dream.
P.S. For you to say that Prager rarely allows opposing viewpoints tells me that you've never listened to his show, period.

Will
Color means very little to us, as well as whether you pee standing up or sitting down.

Your friend Tammy was honest, but not the norm.

Please, Wright baiting? He put this all on himself and is still screaming and frothing behind his pulpit. And besides Will, my gay liberal friend who hates religion because he feels they do nothing but preach hate...

Why are you so forgiving towards Wright and want the press to leave him alone? You're the devil in his eyes, you know that don't you?

It's funny how you despise and clump conservatives in a religious pit of hate and intolerance. You have 100's of posts proving so.

And yet, you defend Wright and Obama...Do you sense your own denial or can you not feel it?

Wright's Obama Dilemma
J.Wright is making the rounds of 'selected'places to 'hawk his wares'.The more he wawks,the worse he looks and each one is bringing his young protege down another notch.

Drudge has an article today reporting that Dr.Barbara Reynolds,a Clinton supporter arranged the National Press Club rant. A Clinton supporter!! He really 'let it all hang out'there,too. Disgustingly so.

I have a feeling Obama will rue the day he let Michelle drag him to that hate-filled building to hear a hate-filled so-called sermon each week.It helped 'bring him up'and now it is tearing him down.I wonder how she likes the 'Rev',now.

All you Wright
suck ups want to go live in his 1.7 mil mansion in whiteyville too! HAHA

Simply Stated...
A racist church is operationally NOT a Christian Church. Jeremiah Wright is a racist and teaches racist doctrine. That does not mean that individuals cannot be born again in that church, but that the core teachings of brotherly love which operationaly define christian conduct are twisted in a devilish way, nullifying the witness of Christ.

Wright, spiritually speaking, is in the category of the wolf in sheeps clothing. He was asked if he was patriotic and replied that he had served six years in the military. Well, many traitors have served their six. He was asked whether he still believed what he said about the US government inventing AIDS to kill blacks and replied that the rest of us should read more books on the topic. etc etc etc

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

J. Wright is evil.

Prager isn't helping
Isn't it obvious to everyone that Barack Obama is a very different man from Dr. Wright?

What seems to be happening in this country right now is that the veil between white and black has been lifted. And what we're seeing is that blacks have a lot of anger, and whites just want to sweep the anger, and the source of that anger, under the rug.

Barack Obama has done his utmost to help bridge this divide. In his landmark speech on race, he tried to help white people see that this anger is real and tried to give them some insight into the origins of this anger and resentment towards the government. And he tried to help blacks see that the brilliance of America is that it can change, and to help them understand why some white people might resent things like affirmative action.

What's most disturbing is how the right wing spin monkeys in this country, like Dennis, don't want Obama to succeed at this. They would rather use Rev Wright as a political tool to scare people away from Barack Obama. They would rather demonize the black church than make any effort to help heal the divide.

The divide in this country isn't the fault of blacks. Nor is it the fault of whites. It is the result of ignorance on both sides of the divide. It is the result of each side refusing to try to see the other's point of view.

Whites who can't fathom why blacks would be angry are ignorant. Blacks who still think they can't make it in this country because of whitey are ignorant.

You're not helping the situation with talk like this Dennis. For the sake of the future of the country, try seeing beyond the short term political gain of attacking Rev Wright and Trinity church, to the long term aim of healing the racial divide in this country. For once in your life Dennis, try being bigger than politics.

Phylo out.

King Left
ing Liberal writes: Tuesday, April, 29, 2008 8:52 AM
SSGT
so if Jesus was born is Asian minor wouldn't that most likely make him of muslim/Arabic decent? or is it true that he was really jewish?

Poor try, Islam ain't that old; you're wrong, you lose.

King Liberal
spitals:
"And I love how you people are just going off in any tangent that keeps on the Wright Issue."

And King, I love how you people throw your morals right out the window and support a LYING RACIST PIG!!!
Thats tells me all I need to know about your morality!

The morning jokes
Phylo se Fiser provides us with our morning laugh:

"Isn't it obvious to everyone that Barack Obama is a very different man from Dr. Wright?"

No, it's not. Quite the contrary, in fact: it's quite obvious that Obama sat in the pew and kept his contact with Rev Wright for 20 years because he finds nothing remarkable about Wright's view of the world.

For anyone not familiar with the history yet: Barack Obama was born to a campus activist. His childhood mentor (his father was absent) was a well-known communist poet. His college experience was spent with black radicals, and when they weren't radical enough on the west coast, Obama moved to the most radical school in the east. His earliest job was community organizing for a radical, liberation-theology religious group -- essentially, a Marxist group. His earliest political contacts were radicals -- Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, et al.

Obama has been running for President since he was a child, so he's been very careful about allowing others to know what he believes at his core. However, all his formative years were spent among radicals -- not Democrats, not guys like Ted Kennedy or Joe Biden, but hard-core, neo-Marxist activists. The only Christianity he could ever have accepted was Liberation Theology, which, again, is simply Marxism in Christian clothing.

Read some of the links at http://www.plumbbobblog.com/?p=215 to gather more data.

Barack Obama is not a Democrat, he's a neo-Marxist; if he becomes President, it will mark the triumph of world socialism over American self-government. We will become Soviet Union Lite.

Will
Will, Will, Will, all I can say is, as I have said before. I now understand why the last command given to a rifle squad at the beginning of a firefight is "fire at Will", probably because it takes too long to say "fire at Falicoff"

Ignorance produces funny questions
There's nothing wrong with being ignorant, so long as it's curable. That's choice, though, and I suspect KingLiberal chooses his ignorance.

King Liberal wrote:

"so if Jesus was born is Asian minor wouldn't that most likely make him of muslim/Arabic decent? or is it true that he was really jewish?"

In the first place, why would you want to dispute the historical sources concerning his nation of origin?

In the second place, do you know the connection between "Arabic" descent and "Hebrew" descent? Do you even have a fair idea what "Arabic" means? (Hint: it's a recent British construct, not a race.) Even the Jews acknowledge that their ancestry is from "a wild Aramean," which would be nomads located to the east of the Jordan, probably in modern Iran, if you go back far enough.

In the third place, as Airbrush has already pointed out, Jesus predates Islam, so none of his ancestors were Muslims.

I do love it, though, when liberals start feeling around for their next sound bite. Until they find something that works so they can repeat it ad nauseum for years until all the sheep believe it's true, the ridiculous things that come out of their ignorant mouths are truly entertaining.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

Ooops
King Lib wrote:

"You didn't hear the far right say Fallwell was unamerican for saying 9-11 was God's work because of the gay agenda?"

Sure you did. Everybody said it. Even McCain said it.

But you'll never hear the far left say Wright is unamerican for saying 9-11 was God's work because of racism.

What's particularly telling here is that when the far left was spluttering and fulminating about Falwell, they weren't saying that he was wrong just because he hates gays and abortions. No. They were screeching about how distorted his view of God is, that he imagines God would actually do something so MEDIEVAL as punish a nation for immoral laws.

They're not saying that today, though, are they? Why? It's because back when they were saying that about Falwell, they were lying through their vicious, hell-inspired teeth. Leftist don't have any problem at all with somebody who preaches a vindictive god, so long as it's vindictive against the right people: evil capitalists, evil white men, evil Republicans.

Sure must be nice to get regular talking points from Hell, King Lib.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

Jeremiah Wright, Master Blasphemer
Most reasonable Obama supporters must by now,see how Wright is hurting their candidate.He is enjoying his fifteen minutes of fame and the left-wing news media are helping him do it.

Wright has made a mockery of Jesus's teaching.He has completely turned the Bible meanings upside down.How far he will go with this is anybody's guess.The pres