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Tuesday, July 08, 2008
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
Surrender!
by Cal Thomas
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So this is how it ends: not with a bang, but a whimper.

The most senior judge in England has declared that Islamic legal principles in Sharia law may be used within Muslim communities in Britain to settle marital arguments and regulate finance. Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips said, "Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law."

In his speech at an East London mosque, Lord Phillips said Muslims in Britain could use Islamic legal principles as long as punishments - and divorce rulings - comply with English law. Sharia law does not comply with English law. It is a law unto itself.

And so the English who gave us the Magna Carta in 1215, William Blackstone and the foundation of American law are slowly succumbing to the dictates of intolerant Islam and sowing seeds of their own destruction.

The Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organization (IKWRO), an umbrella group of activists who work in Muslim countries to liberate women from the dark side of this oppressive force, according to Womensphere.wordpress.com, identifies Sharia family law as the fundamental basis for discrimination against women in the Muslim world, including communities in the United Kingdom.

Here are just some of the "benefits" British Muslim women can look forward to if Sharia law replaces English law: The Muslim woman cannot marry without parental approval, worsening the problem of forced marriage; marriages can be conducted without the presence of a bride, as long as the guardian consents, creating a climate for underage and early marriage; Muslim women may only marry Muslim men.

It gets worse. A Muslim man can divorce his wife by repudiating her; they have no obligation to support a former wife, or her children after the divorce; women are prohibited from divorcing husbands without his consent; abuse is not grounds for a woman to end a marriage; in matters of inheritance, sons are entitled to twice as much of an estate as daughters.

Divorced women must remain single. If they remarry they can lose custody of their children. There is no similar requirement for a man. Child custody often reverts to the father at a preset age, even if the father has been abusive.

It is impossible to reconcile this antiquated "law" with English law, so what could Lord Phillips mean when he says that Sharia law can be used in Muslim communities as long as such laws comply with English law? This will mean English law must become subordinate to Sharia law. This is Dhimmitude, an Islamic system of religious apartheid begun in the 7th century that forces all other religions and cultures to accept an inferior status once Muslims become the majority.

Maryland's Court of Appeals recently denied a Sharia divorce to a Pakistani man. The man's wife of 20 years had filed for divorce. To circumvent having to share their $2 million estate and other marital assets, he went to the Pakistani embassy and applied for an Islamic divorce. The man wanted to invoke what is known as talaq, in which the husband says, "I divorce you" three times and it's done.

The Maryland court said, "If we were to affirm the use of talaq, controlled as it is by the husband, a wife, a resident of this state, would never be able to consummate a divorce action filed by her in which she seeks a division of marital property" and the talaq "directly deprives the wife of the due process she is entitled to when she initiates divorce litigation. The lack and deprivation of due process is itself contrary to (Maryland's) public policy."

British Muslims who wish to live under Sharia law might have stayed in the countries from which they came - or return to them. But their objective appears to be domination of England, not assimilation. This also seems to be the goal for Muslims in other countries with large and growing Muslim populations.

There is no due process under Sharia law. Lord Phillips has signed the death warrant for his nation if his opinion becomes the law of England. It's one thing to fight a war and lose it. It's quite another to willingly surrender without a struggle.

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Well at least
liberals should have no problem with this. Just sowing the fruits of political correctness and multiculturalism. In due time, some liberal judge will do the same thing here. It'll be a hoot to see the feminists subjected to that.

Maybe It's What We Need Here
It might be worth it to see how the liberal homo/abortionists, femiNazis, and 'who7ish Hollyweird starlets would adjust to being put back in their place by the very system of government they seem to favor over the one we have here.

Code Pink, the ACLU, and the '60s retread radical femiNazis being slapped around and not being able to do anything about it.

We don't have to worry about the homosexuals in the media and courts trying to come to their defense; they either wouldn't have the guts to, or would already have had their throats slashed by the Islamic police for being gay.

What about the feminists?
Isn't western society so evil in its treatment of women? Didn't June Cleaver have it sooo bad? It is really amazing that the same people who tell us that all sex is rape tolerate horrible treatment of women. Political Correctness has no allegience at all to justice or truth -- it is based upon fear and bias.

So, our universities can continue lashing against the evil white male while the Saudi women gets stoned to death for having sex, or whipped for being raped -- and of course they will be silent. Lawrence Summers -- you better resign. Muslim -- sure you can cut off a women's genitals -- it is fine to marry a 10 year old to a 60 year old.
Disgusting.

Other contracts
"Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law."

Looks like liberals in England are suddenly for freedom of contract (more likely they are just appeasers). Try working for less than minimum wage to get a job. Try working a union job without joining a union. Try getting a doctor privately - or go to a school system the government has not assigned to you. Try getting a toilet that actually works. Try buying a light bulb that is not full of poison.

This freedom of contract idea seems to only be OK if it allows the government to look the other way and appease violent muslims.

Feminists caused this....

and the solution (as bad as it might be) to no-fault divorce and child support lynchings and the rest will be this.

Oh brave new world....

"Hair-Raising" Islamic Ideology
Within Our Borders

According to a study released May 22, 2007 by Pew Research Center:

- 7% of U.S. Muslims under 30 indicated favorable view to al Qaeda;

- 26% of U.S. Muslims under 30 answered "Yes" to the pollsters question: "Can Suicide Bombing of Civilian Targets to Defend Islam be Justified?"

- 60% of the Muslim Americans "do not believe Arab men carried out the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001."

"It is a hair-raising number," said Radwan Masmoudi, president of the Washington-based Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, which promotes the compatibility of Islam with democracy.
Source: http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf

Muslims are demanding....
that other cultures change to suit them. Recently in Great Britain Muslims were incensed when a puppy was put on a police flyer. They raised objections and the cops apoligized. Also, now the cops have to have booties in the police dogs so they do not defile Muslim homes that they may enter. Here in the states a number of Muslim communities want to put in prayer towers and announce the call to prayer with loudspeakers that apparently are very loud and disturbing.

No wonder...
we kicked their sorry rears in 1776! Stupid wimps.

......
On your knees Britain.

Hmmm...
I wonder what the libs will have to say about this.

Road Runner said:
"I wonder what the libs will have to say about this."

It's simple. "This is a great day for tolerance and multi-culturalism!"

If it were Christians that were conceded to, there would be comparisons to "V for Vendetta", fearing the onset of an oppressive theocracy.

We conservatives don't always get it right, but at least our world view is not devoid of all wisdom and sanity. England gets what it deserves. Altho the same is true of us, and I fear the same thing coming here as well. Folks, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better, before the far-left loons realize that, by jingle, they were wrong. But this won't happen until after our society fractures and there's violence in the streets.

Cal Thomas wrote...
"British Muslims who wish to live under Sharia law might have stayed in the countries from which they came - or return to them. But their objective appears to be domination of England, not assimilation. This also seems to be the goal for Muslims in other countries with large and growing Muslim populations."

Well doesn't everyone know this already? Oh wait... the far-left loons don't. According them, the Muslims are just attacking us because we bully them around and they have no other recourse to fight back. Poor, poor little Jihadists, those innocent little sheep-herders.

The other issue with this is immigration in the western world in general. Here in the States, illegals, in their utmost GAUL, march on our streets by the thousands, DEMANDING rights they do not have, but that some politicians reinforce their belief in anyway. This is what happens when you keep giving in to children: they start to think they're entitled and like spoiled brats throw a tantrum when they don't get what they (falsely) believe is theirs.


"There is no due process under Sharia law. Lord Phillips has signed the death warrant for his nation if his opinion becomes the law of England. It's one thing to fight a war and lose it. It's quite another to willingly surrender without a struggle."

Ya know, one would have thought that 9/11 was actually, oh, I dunno... a FRICKIN' WAKE-UP CALL?!?!? I used to respect Brits, thinking them somewhat ideological brothers with a lot of guts. I'm starting to rethink that. England may be paving the way for a bloody civil war, and with the stomach most Euros have for fighting, I hate to say who I think would win.

"Great" Britain

Remember, remember the 5th of November, the gunpowder treason and plot...

OncealwaysaMarine is correct
Now watch what happens in merry England, old Marine. Watch how "decadence" offends the Muslim population, namely gay marriage, etc. They will be the first to go. After that kiss off any liquor, and heaven forbid you would ever be found with a dirty movie.

After they leave everyone else left will run for cover. The liberals will cower, and wring their hands.

When it moves here, and it will,

Good Marines will be asked to die in order to tidy the mess up. A shame.

And the opposite?
To None:
this judge has just lost the plot, and, I believe, most of Brits see him as such.

But how about the other side of the coin: the government being the enemy and nobody lifts a finger?
Listening to the phone calls of millions without a warrant.
Reading e-mails of millions without a warrant.
Homeland Security; answerable no nobody but the president.
A president who scorns the Constitution.
A president who despises Congress and the Senate.
Kidnappings,
Disappearances.
Secret jails.
Torture.
Military tribunals.
Dirty tricks galore.

Welcome to the world of the petty fascist junta. So I don't see why you have a problem with a Brit judge just blabbering away.


Too Late.
1.
Sharia law is practiced everyday in Dearborn MI where the majority of the city (60%?)is Muslim. They infringe on the secular rights (guaranteed by our constitution) of our citizens daily. Yes, even though it is YOUR country, YOUR sovereign nation that YOUR father, brother, uncle, mother, sister, aunt may have fought to defend, they continue to defy the laws and the constitution and we don't question their defiance or even defend the constitution.

2.
A father carried out an honor killing in Irving, TX on 1/3/08. He killed his two beautiful, intelligent teenage daughters that were becoming too Westernized. His community hides and protects him. Even the mother shields him from the American police's so-called manhunt.

We acknowledge freedom of religion in this country, but to Muslims religion is law. The definitions aren't the same.

It's a remote possibility that Muslims COULD be considered tolerable to secular Americans. It's a remote possibility that they would let us exist without bowing their laws. The problem is that once a Muslim community is established, the extremists take over and begin their reign of terror... to hell with the white infidel's constitution and laws. The weak can't defend themselves against it.



For The Women
It will be up to American women to save this country from Islamic law as that law comes here.

And this is ironic. Because American "men" have been so feminized and deballed after a few decades of anti anything male or masculine, this country is now defenseless. All of us see it. It is the reason why America simply will not do anything to protect itself from any calamity or enemy because to do so is insensitive.

Our political leaders are the epitome of menopausal men, devoid of any testicular fortitude, without an ounce of testosterone. Look at those dried up old creeps. A bunch of smiling white boys, looking up at the birds over their heads and saying to them, "Go ahead, everyone else has".

Islam is spreading to fill the warrior void created by Western eunuchs, all full of PC sensitivity, inclusiveness, diversity, and tolerance. Western men have devolved into what the feminist movement wanted: women.

So it will be up to the women to protect themselves now, and by doing so protect us all. They've got what they've wanted: supremacy. Now they really will have to do it all themselves.

Good luck, girls

LetsAllRelax
Pithy little critique you posted. A wonderful lead in to a Code Pink gathering.

Are you daft ?

The column is about Sharia law, a trend, and you people with Bush Derangement Syndrome just have to weigh in with your drivel.

Can't any of you lefty types ever have a comment on an issue that doesn't involve bashing Bush?

A cursory analysis may conclude you are what Lenin referred to as a useful idiot.


Now Read Prager's Article
about "Why a Black Artist Replaced the National Anthem" and connect the dots between the two incidents.

JDs Handsome Son
I can't dispute your assessment at all "Son".

I have been waiting for American women to be outraged and take a stand against the oppression of females by Muslimity.

I don't hear it though. If we males do it we're insensitive, culturally backward dinosaurs. We can't depend on our leaders to do it anymore. They are litigators not men of action.

Maybe a read of Ayaan Hirsi Ali's "Infidel" will get their blood boiling.

C'mon American Woman, make us proud,show us what you're made of. We'll fight for you if we know you want us to.

"Don't Fear the Reaper".
So says Blue Oyster Cult.

What a great song, huh?

Cal Thomas is worried about this judge's ruling that Sharia law applies to Muslim communities within England.

Personally, I am also worried, although I must say in all honesty that the Sharia law provision on a man's obtaining a divorce simply by repudiating his wife, has a certain appeal.

Just kidding.

But, seriously, is not Cal's worries a bit overblown?

Why, our own president, G.W. Bush, has publicly declared on a number of occasions that Islam is a "great and peaceful religion".

That certainly suggests we have nothing to fear from this religion, including its law.

We are so confident of this great and peaceful religion that we are interceding to bring about democracies in that part of the world, so that the will of the Muslim man on the street can enshrine Sharia law thoroughout all the land.

But our president has only begun.

Why not extend Muslim states into Europe?

Funny you should ask.

For he has advocated the creation of an Islamic country(Kosovo)in the heart of central(Christian)Europe.

Now, friends, would our leader advocate this if he thought for one moment this religion was not peaceful, or kindly disposed to its neighbors, and those of other faiths?

And our previous president(Bill Clinton), no slouch in that regard either, actually deployed U.S. military forces for the benefit of our Muslim brothers-in-arms in Kosovo who were battling those nasty and backward Christian zealots of Serbia.

So, friends, take heart. Don't succumb to fear.

Both our presidents have shown us the righteous course here.

They Lie . . . Surprise, Surprise !
My own academic background is in Mediterranean history and the legacy of the Ottoman Empire. I have traveled widely and met many Muslims in several countries. With the exception of SOME Sufis, Kurds and Albanians . . . in a COLLECTIVE sense, I wouldn't trust most of them as far as I could throw a stick . . . especially Saudi, Somali and Pakistani Muslims.
The dirty little secret is: They will exaggerate to high heaven, then work themselves into an emotional state where they BELIEVE their own exaggerations are objective truth. In other words . . . they lie.
Oh my God . . . I just "insulted" Muslims! How long will it be before the "hate crime" police carry me away? Isn't it curious that they never seem to prosecute MUSLIMS who insult and blaspheme Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs on a regular basis in Islamic publications and websites? I know, because I read a number of them. In early 2007, hundreds of Islamic lunatics and "British" Muslims marched through the streets of London . . . while screaming at the top of their lungs and carrying signs which declared that anyone who CRITICIZES the "Prophet" and the "religion of peace" should be BEHEADED. Such people obviously have no sense of irony, or the pathetic imbecility of their own behavior.
It is a sign of the times that a British JUDGE cannot grasp the simple principle that only ONE system of laws should prevail in Britain . . . the one created by its elected Parliament.



Onceamarine, JD's Handsome Son
If our country ever gets taken over by a contrary political philosophy, i'll take sharia over Marxism any day. Actually, wouldn't be too bad for us heterosexual guys. And the compensations would be fun. Watching the America-bashers deal with something other than the evil racist greedy mean-spirited terrorist colonialist American way of life. Wimps, women and wussies don't get very far in sharia law. And can you imagine the anti-capital punishment types dealing with amputation for stealing? Might be worth it, just to watch.

And the Lion of Great Britan Roars
meew meew meew

The great Sir Winston Churchill must be turning over in his grave.

It is time to drive the Muslems back into the sea. Either conform to our way of life, or go back to where you came from.

Multiculturism Starts This Madness
England is reaping the rewards of multiculturism. Leftists believe that America should not be a melting pot but rather a stew. England has adopted the stew mentality so let them stew in it until the good citizens there rebel.

We wasted men and treasure saving Brits
Over five hundred thousand of our brave fellow Americans perished in World War II, mostly to save Britain from Hitler's tyranny. America also suffered the loss of immense treasure in the form of aircraft, warships, submarines, artillery, etc., so that those fools would have the right to sell themselves into socialist corruption after it was over and now at last to subjugate themselves as blind moles to Muslim tyranny. With 20/20 hindsight, the better part of wisdom says we should have stood aside and let Hitler have his way with them, and we would have been far better off avoiding the European theatre of the war. Those who do not have the wisdom and courage to stand for what is good and true are doomed to fall for any hallucinatory deception Satan sends their way. Their shame is incalculable, and we are as stupid as are they if we rescue them again.

Well Austraila
has basically said that. Brian. So let's put some shrimp on the "Barbie" and have a toast to the "undesirables" from down under, whom the British sent away, but who have loads more common sense than the British elites.
And, let's hear it for the Irish who voted "NO" to the damnable EU! I tell you, it will be a grand day to see some of the real Brits get fed up and stand up.
C'mom mates, we're rootin for ya!

Don't look over your shoulder!
Because it will be here soon.
Biggest battle will be the illegals and the Muslims because the American sheeple will not do anything in the name of PC.

Do you agree with PM Howard?

Prime Minister John Howard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. “If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you”, he said on National Television

read more

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/do-you-agree-with- pm-howard


muslim women
you are of curse only talking about the beliefs about women promulgated by the very conservative part of the muslim religiom
many of these same beliefs are accepted and practiced by various very conservative groups here in the USA. Smal religious communitis ascattered aroud the nation all operating with the tacit
-comsent of the governmnet discriminate against woemn in almst exactly the same way as conservtive muslim woemn are discrimaunated against . and i would suggest that the author of this article knows it. this was deliberately writen to cast a dark shdow on muslim, other religion relations. c conservative jews here in the USA also have many of the same regulations prohibiting women from enjiying the rights that most american women do and they have their own courts to decide the legality of many of the cases of dispute between jewish men and wiomen,.a woman for exapmple cannot get divorced if she is a jew unless the court appointed to look into that case decides she is divorced, our legal system is left out of it completely. how does this differ from wht you say is being thought of in England>\/ if the author did not know this he should do some research adn them apologize. for being so dumb.

Add Globalism To Multiculturalism
We must be diversified, trade must be global, and the borders must be open. So our president, Jorge Bush is/was for amnesty, open borders, and no troops on the borders. Britain got that way for several reasons. A couple: wanting to join up with the other liberal Europeans and OPEN borders. Allow enough of them in and what happens then. A 5 year old could understand that if fully explained, wouldn't he/she? Losing sovereignty from within. Has Obama denounced Sharia law?

John Konop
"Bully!"

What is the real deal here?
Europe, albeit England, no longer wishes to value the gospel and respect the God of that Gospel needs to get her values from somewhere. Islamic values are as good as any. Since apart from the only true gospel, the values that will substitute it will be the values of slavery.

The USA might see and consider.

Sobering Facts
Cities like Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Louvain, Antwerp, Hamburg, Marsailles, London, and Paris have majorities, or near majorities of Muslims. In 2006, Frankfurt Municple Hospital gave birth to only 6 native Germans. If it wasn't for the 670 Muslim babies born there, the OB Wing there would have closed down.

In most parts of Scandanavia home schooling is becoming the dominant form of schooling in the rural areas due to lack of school age children. In Norway and Sweden nearly 100,000 North African Muslims are year are still allowed to immigrate there because of shortages of workers.

In Amsterdam and Antwerp Muslims hold a majority of the city councilships. How long before a Muslim mayor gets elected? Amsterdam, with its famous libertine lifestyle is quickyl "reforming" its ways. I would not want to be a gay/lesbian there in 10 years time. Native Europeans are quickly being squeezed out of many of thier own nieghborhoods as Islamic "youths" rove the streets looking for people who do not live up to Islamic Laws. In London, English women must wear headscarves from thier apartment to the subway or be subjected to public humiliation. Police no long patrol these Islamic enclaves -termed by Interpol as "No-Go Zones. Interpol says there are over 600 of them in Western Europe.

Shariah law
It is quite common for people and businesses to contract rule of law, such as "This contract will be enforced and interpreted by the laws of Texas". However, there is limit. Cognovits, ie confessions of judgment executed in advance of default on a time payment contract are not permitted by the courts of most states. I interpret Lord Phillips remarks to mean that British law remains supreme whenever there is a conflict between Shariah and British law.

LetsAllRelax
reply 21

you forgot "chewing gum in class"

cal thomas
The Brits have now officially surrendered to "political correctness".We wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of a group that will strap bombs to their own children and send them to blow up in a crowded place.We better wake up soon as to what the Muslims are after, or else.

muslims
The Brits have now officially surrendered to "political correctness".We wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of a group that will strap bombs to their own children and send them to blow up in a crowded place.We better wake up soon as to what the Muslims are after, or else.

Shariah law is coming to the US
It's just a matter of time before multiculturalism (with strong support from Hussein Obama) brings Shariah law to the US. Take that, you female Obama voters! Stoning for infidelity is not far off.

Our culture is disintegrating under a flood of Third World immigration. We need to take a stand now, but this is highly unlikely with a President who is either a Muslim or sympathetic to their "culture."

Follow the Money . . .
Cal, this heresy will soon come to America.

Here's the reason: can you think of better employment prospects for lawyers (solicitors) than this particular edict?

This heresy of democracy, embracing the idea that law must entertain the lowest common denominator, will result in anarchy. Lawyers and judges may have a problem with their trade when the individual demands the right to make a law unto himself based upon the precedent of such grants to vocal non compliant minorities.

I have an idea - force the choice for these Muslims to return to a Muslim country (where they can bask in the glories of Sharia Law) or comply with the common law like all other residents! I hear Dubai has a lot of tall buildings. Sound fair?

The British, like us Americans, have confused the rights and obligations of government with the rights and obligations of the "state". When this confusion is complete, we shall have no further need of lawyers or judges.

Only the very conservative muslims??
According to post #30 only the most conservative part of the muslim religion "promulgate" this belief about women. We are also informed that small religious communities scattered around our nation and conservative jews here practice these same beliefs and are accepted and even have the tacit approval of our government.
First of all, if such beliefs are practiced by anyone in the United States is is illegal. I don't know if these beliefs are practiced here or not but it does not change the fact that it is wrong. You cannot justify allowing Sharia law in a nation where it is contrary to the laws of that nation by claiming that the same beliefs are allowed here. People commit murder here but that certainly doesn't justify accepting it here or anywhere else.
Also, although the poster claims that this belief is practiced by only the very conservative of muslims there must have been enough of them to cause this judge to make such a ruling.
As for me, when muslims come into my nation and start trying to get their religious belief enacted into law, it might be time to rise up and do what's necessary to stop it.

MRCMRC
The only reason I'm responding to your ravings, which for some reason you can't manage to write down in normal English, is that it is the view promulgated by the MSM.

1. The fringe groups you are talking about are and will remain very tiny fringe groups. How many non-Muslim groups demand that women cover their heads? Not many.

2. These fringe groups don't use violence on those who "insult" them. The fatwa against Salman Rushdie, the murder of Theo van Gogh have no parallels among these fringe groups.

3. But even supposing you are right, what exactly is your plan to deal with the Muslims? As far as I can see, the very conservative Muslims dominate over the moderate ones. It is the very conservative ones who are making all the demands, while the moderates are intimidated. But instead of demanding, say, that the conservative ones need sensitivity training, all you can do is whine that Christians are just as bad.

Let's see what your plan is, ok?

Which is worse?
Which is worse, the feminists remaining silent about the steady advance of shari'a or having them raise their voices and blame everyone but themselves for it?

Sharia Law And Liberals
Well,Cal,we conservatives for years have tried to stem the tide of liberal immorality,to no avail. Maybe the Muslims can do what we have failed in.

The Liberals always want to 'dialog'with them. 'Can't we all just get along'? Well,kids,you will find out that the Muslims are not the wussies conservatives are. They will actually PUNISH you for your decadence!!

Obama Inauguration
Expect to see Madame Michelle in a headscarf at the inauguration. This will send a message to the cult and the sheep will fall in line (and head to the slaughter).

Britain/America In same boat.

If it wasn't for the 8 years of Bush, we would be having the same problems as Britain. If Al Gore would have won, we would have had a 7 to 3 Liberal Supreme Court.

We should learn a lesson from Britain..But we won't because too many Liberals are in control of in all areas where laws are made.
National, State, County & City.

Cheap labor?
I thought Brits allowed Muslims in because they needed cheap labor. Not for multi-cultural reasons. Most Muslims(the woman anyway) were probably hoping Philips would stand up for Great Britian and what it means to be British. Why would anyone in their right mind want to live under Sharia Law. Cheap labor can't possibly be worth this trouble.

Let'sallrelax
If you think the practice of listening to your phone calls is something new, I suggest you read The Puzzle Palace. It's about the national security agency. They have computers programmed to pick up key phrases in phone calls, like using the word kill and the word President in a conversation. It's been going on for about 20 or 25 years now. It's the only agency that doesn't have a set budget. Read it, it will definatly open your eyes. It's the reason i don't get so upset about the Homeland security at all.

Why do Brits copy bad ideas
from erstwhile colonies:
(1) "multiculturalism" from Canada--designed by Pierre-eh as 'divide-and-continue-misrule', never dropped by either Baloney (a), Cretin (b) or Harper
(2) now, the idea of giving Muslims separate civil code from India

(a), (b) I've explained the above derogatory names for these two treasonous PM's before.

What is Conservative Islam?
Sharia Law isn't something old; it is more than just a sect of Islam. Shia Muslims are the more Orthodox Muslims, while those Muslim who follow Sharia Law are more hetrodox. Islam, like Christianity goes beyond race -so it is difficult to say that people who follow Sharia are arab nationalists.

Christianity had its reformation, and the result was a slightly less "christian Christianity" and more humane centered one. Likewise, Islam is reforming itself, but the results are far less humane. The Human Agent (or as Protestants say "following one's Conscious") was and is always first and foremost in Reformed Christianity. WIth Reformed Islam, the human is always the slave.

So, the ideas liberals have of tagging Sharia Law as Conservative is absurd. Sharia Law and its attendent radicalism is in fact the product of reformists Muslims.

odd use of a quote
This is scary. The next thing you know someone will be trying to institute marriages that are harder to get a divorce from than under standard divorce law. Oh wait that has already happened in this country.

The basis of the above argument is a statement by a British judge. Of course the British judge does not say that Sharia law would supercede british law, he says that it would be constrained by British law. So Thomas' article is actually based on a statement by a British judge that he doesn't actual take to mean what it says.

To put it another way, a British judge said something very different than what Thomas' article requires him to have said. So Thomas simply pretends that he meant something different than he said. And conservatives once again pee in their pants.

I have long been puzzled by the Conservative belief that the West is feeble and that every stupid belief system out there is somehow stronger than ours and is going to bring us down. Western values really are not as weak as you people seem to think they are.

Globug
I agree with Bush on domestic drilling. The democrats are totally wrong on that, and on some other issues as well.

But that is about all I agree with Bush on, except turning over gitmo detainees to our civilan courts(Bush is right on that, too).

Bush characterizes Islam as that "great and peaceful religion".

If that is the case, we should not fear being in the same boat as Britain. After all, Islam is a great and peaceful religion.

If the best one can say is Al gore would have been even worse than Bush, then the standards are set pretty low.

This administration has banned terms such as "jihad" or "islamofascism" from Dept. of State communication.

It does not want to give offense.

Bush has done nothing to battle the politically correct dogma that you apparently find so offensive.

Yes, Bush did nominate a couple of good justices...but don't forget his gut instinct, his first choice, Harriet Miers.

Given the debacle in Iraq, the humongous deficit, plus the 7+ years of inattention he devoted to the issue of energy costs(which now is the pivotal issue in this election), I do not share your adulation.

Lon
You seem to be left of center, and yet you are fighting so hard for the destruction of feminism.

Why?

Dumber & Dumber .....
Talk about dumb & dummer!!! Maybe the judge can star in version 2 movie of D&D! I do not recall a second version? Will he have to wear a powered wig? It would be a gas!!!! I might even watch a little of it, if it is free! Ha!


The Left Power
It is scarey how the left thinks, I can't believe how they favor everything that is not good for the US. I wrote Shawn Hannity and told him I couldn't stand Allan Colmes, but decided it was good to have him there because every time he opens his mouth people can see just how stupid there reasoning is. Obama is scarey especially when you read up on his "religion" they in no uncertain terms dislike the "whitie". His appointments to the SC and others would be as left thinking as he is and we can forget about sticking to the Consitution
they would make new laws protecting every body but Americans. The goal of Islam is to take over the world and convert everybody to their faith, or kill the unbelievers, and with the help from the Left, it will become easyfor them.Obama's Liberation theology in power would be a big help for their goal.

Yo Let's all relax
Which of your constitutional rights has the President trampled on? The Patriot Act (I assume this is what you mean about the President trampling the Constitution) is indeed constitutional. The drivel you lefties put out is little more than bumper sticker slogans without really getting into substance. This legislation has withstood legal scrutiny from all sides. Try looking past your hatred of Bush and look at the issues. Even Clinton did some good things, like welfare reform....wait that legislation was written by Republicans, but I'm sure he did something good.

Brit troops GO HOME
It is impossible to reconcile this antiquated "law" with English law, so what could Lord Phillips mean when he says that Sharia law can be used in Muslim communities as long as such laws comply with English law? This will mean English law must become subordinate to Sharia law.

AND RETAKE YOUR COUNTRY!!
I thought we/England were in Irag fighting to establish a democratic form of government...so are their troops going to have to go back home and fight there too to retake it there???

jerabaub
Do you understand sports strategy and winning?
Harriet was not a serious choice, but she recieved a whole lot of media attention and created a great distraction. The libs had a great deal of fun talking about stupidity. So that when he revealed his real choice the libs were caught off guard. It was brilliant. Kind of like a sacrifice to advance the runner.

Yo MRCMRC
Hopefully this country will wake up to the reality of the intent of those who strictly follow the writings of the Koran, which dictates how "infidels" who live in a Muslim controlled country will be treated. One has only to look at how Muslims of different sects treat each other to get a glimpse of how non believers will be treated. I'm tired of people like you pretending this doesn't happen. It does happen and it is seen by right thinking people as something barbaric, out of the seventh century, and pathetic as a belief. Put yourself, if you can, on this side of the scimitar. What would you think if Christians cut off the heads of non Christians merely because they refused to accept Jesus as their savior? I dare say you would think it barbaric. Well, that's how Muslims who condone such practices are seen by the rest of us. Based on that behavior, there is nothing to recommend Islam to those of us who see how you treat each other.

Wake up AMERICA.........
before it is too late!
A must video to see:
http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Lehrman-092706a.w vx

Also, go to Americancongressfortruth.org

This threat America faces is very real, indeed!

JFP
Actually feminism benefits from more freedom and less paranoia. You seem to be assuming that if muslim groups come into contact with western values that the western values will lose. I think that absent an introduction to western values based on bigotry, the western values will win because they are better values.

I hope that clears up your confusion.

Cal
There are many Jurisdictions in America, that allow Judaism to be imposed when establishing legal precedent.Being of British birth, I find no fault with this courtesy being extended to "Arabs".As the son of a British "Barrister" and a Lawyer,I say yes.

Cal, you've taken all the fun out of it.
It's kind of fun for political junkies to watch the interchange between Parties and campaigns in an election year. Obama and McCain argue about who is more mainstream, who is going to protect the environment and who will be more likely to unite us on energy and education policy.

Then Cal Thomas comes along and reminds us that we are in a war; a war for the survival of civilization. People have accused Bush 43 of being a "frat boy", but Obama is the ultimate frat boy.

In this war, if our choice is between frat-boy-Obama and POW-McCain, we must choose McCain. He is the only choice, if we want to defend ourselves against Islamic terror.

THE CAMEL & THE TENT

.....CAL ...You wrote:

....."But their objective appears to be domination of England, not assimilation. This also seems to be the goal for Muslims in other countries with large and growing Muslim populations." .....

.....Why did you find it necessary to state such a self evident truth? ....not giving in to PC multi-culturalism are you? .....COLOSSUS

Mrcmrc
You think we have problems here now? Let obama get elected and watch them fan the flames of a burning Constitution and American way of life.

CODE PINK VS SHARIA LAW

.....JD ...

.....Funny post ...American men hiding behind the skirts of their women ...

.....You know the difference between a feminist and a pit bull don't you? ...

...A. The pit bull doesn't wear lipstick .....COLOSSUS

Roman and Lon
Roman thank you for the web-site. A huge eye-opener. I will pass it on.
Lon-You are assuming. Chances are Muslims will keep themselves from mixing with Western culture. The shocking garbage on television may convince them that their assertions are correct.

"Surrender" Is Exactly What This Is!
The Laws of the Land are the absolute definers of a nation's soveriegnty. Changing the Laws is nothing less than a bloodless coup. If the leaders of one's country sees no harm in changing the laws, soveriegnty soon follows. Good Luck, England!

Stop sharia
Contrary to some of the comments posted, it isnot at all necessary for liberals to support allowing sharia to replace the laws of a country in which Muslims are living. In fact, conservatives would have to look very hard to find any liberal who thinks that women are well-protected and respected under sharia.

It is the case, however, that many Muslims simply reject the idea that the laws of a country in which they have settled should take precedence over sharia. Remember that for them, sharia isn't just some alternative set of legal principles; it is God's own requirement. From the standpoint of many Muslims, the civil law of England, or the Netherlands...or the US is simply a non-starter when compared with sharia. Since God has given his followers the law that is to govern their lives, how can any mere law made by a human government take precedence?

It is a huge error for any Western government to let Muslims carve out an area of independence from a nation's civil law. This legal independence is also territorial independence, setting up zones in which the law of that particular country does not apply. MOving down this path signs a death warrant for any country that does so.

Ironic
For what it's worth, why do we support the existing government in Iraq given that it has implemented the Koran as the basis of civil law, and placed religious courts over the judgement of the civil courts to make such decisions? Sharia law is the law in Iraq as it pertains to civil law.

We are fighting and dieing to ensure that Sharia law is the law in Iraq - but then say we don't like it anywhere else - and condemen someone who accepts it peacefully, as opposed to enforces it at the point of our own bayonets. Ironic, is it not?

Lon
I am not a bigot. I'm perfectly willing for Muslims to live in the West, so long as they undergo sensitivity training. Nor am I confused. It is the left that is confused. The confusion comes with the moral absolutism of feminism together with the moral relativism of the left in general these days. If that isn't being confused, I don't know what is.

Anyway, here is a statement from a professor in Norway in response to a great number of rapes of native Norwegian women by immigrant Muslim men: "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it" (from Bruce Bawer, "Tolerating Intolerance," Partisan Review 2002, p. 345).

I'm sure that Western values will win IF they ever get around to fighting, but I don't know of any feminist who has denounced this statement.

Do you?

My 2 cents
"To whatever political entity a Muslim believer may belong - to the Arab world of North Africa and the Middle East, to the nation states of central Asia, to the hybrid entities of Pakistan and Indonesia, to the international protectorates of Bosnia and Kosovo, or to the liberal democracies of the West - he is first and foremost the citizen of Islam and belongs morally spiritually and intellectually, and in principle totally, to the world of belief of which Muhammad is the Prophet and Mecca is the capital."

Source - 'The Sword of the Prophet - Islam. History, Theology, Impact on the World'.

Serge Trifkovic, Regina Orthodox Press, 2002


That pretty swell says it all, does it not?

Even Sam Harris agrees with me. (Los Angeles Times September 8 2006)

It's domination not assimilation!

And HOW MANY TIMES does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have to tell us that before we PAY ATTENTION??

Thomas is spot on......

"But their objective appears to be domination of England, not assimilation. This also seems to be the goal for Muslims in other countries with large and growing Muslim populations."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24329

"Honor Killings in Texas."

"The girls’ great aunt, Gail Gartrell, told reporters, “This was an honor killing.” She explained that Yaser Said had long abused the girls, and after discovering that they had boyfriends, had threatened to kill them -- whereupon their mother fled with them. “She ran with them,” said Gartrell, “because she knew he would carry out the threat.” But Said found them, and apparently did carry it out.

"Honor killing, the practice of murdering a female family member who is believed to have sullied the family honor, enjoys widespread acceptance in some areas of the Islamic world."

Try this:
Until "Kimberly" and "MRCMRC" put forth a thoughtful and reasoned opinion, preferably with proper grammer and spelling, don't respond to their drivel. You are giving them an audience that they simply could not get in "real" life. Really, how many people would care to do intellectual battle with an unarmed person? You demonstrate the strength of your ideas by not defending them by responding to such sophmoric views. Try it!

Intellectual arguments
are useless in the face of Muslim savagery. Argue fine points of law and they will cut your throat. Discuss their differences while they unite to bury you. Very much like conservatives arguing about whether McCain is "conservative enough" while the Obama cult does whatever is necessary to hide their true agenda until it is too late to oppose them.

Gasoline prices are a strain on the budget, but not life-altering. Multiculturalism is a much more serious threat, and its banner is being carried by Obama and his fellow Socialists.

America Alone
is must reading on this topic. Written by Andrew Steyn.

Also, as another poster wrote earlier, Infidel by Ayan Hirsi Ali. Chilling.

Here is a telling quote from a Muslim in America: (paraphrased) I would not adopt savage ideals in the jungle, so why would I do so in America?

Joyce, nice try but no cigar
Are you saying Bush was playing politics with something as profound as supreme court nominees, that Bush was being disingenuous on Harriet Miers?

Assuming that is true, what else has he been playing politics on?

Iraq?

His(and McCain's)amnesty immmigration scam?

Bush was serious on Miers, and only the outrage from the conservative community induced him to change his mind.


Some are forgetting
Remember, only Muslim women would be subjected to these barbaric laws. Apparently many modern-day feminists do not care about Muslim women. Let's be honest, many of these feminists thought what we did to Saddam was wrong, so rape and torture of Muslim women does not spark outrage.

This English judge was obviously a moron of major proportions. If that happened here, we would have to then realize that Equal Protection is a lie, and we might as well just throw out the Constitution.

Redlac's 12:00
I think it was in yesterday's online edition of "Washington Times" where an article appeared regarding the increasing numbers of Iraqi women who now are wearing burkas and scarfs as a result of the Iraqi government's insistence they abide by strict Islamic dress codes.

While I do not want Saddam back(he was a butcher), it is interesting that our invasion has brought about a far more fundamentalist Islamic state in Iraq than existed prior to March of 2003.

But then the current Iraqi government merely reflects the values of its citizenry regarding these new dress codes.

And Bush dare not complain. After all, the whole point of the invasion was for self determination of Iraqi people.

Sometimes, it is hard to suppress a chuckle.

Hey Dottie: I've been wondering the same

thing about "modern-day feminists." Where are they? Why no outrage?

Oh, I forgot, they're liberals and selective, which is why we heard no outrage (heck, we heard nary a peep!) when these women stepped forward about clinton!

But, about "only Muslim women...." Here's the thing! Their GOAL is for all of us to be Muslims... or DIE!


Suing for peace
The British kowtow to Sharia law gaining a foothold in Britian, as with continental Angleo Europeans ceding large pieces of their own cultures and traditions to the Islamic hordes within their midst, is for one reason only: because the Anglo Europeans have come to the conclusion that they WILL be before not much longer a considered minority in their own homelands in comparison to the Islamics who have taken up residence in their midst, and rather than fight for their cultures, they are surrendering and suing for peace with their (at present) Muslim minorities and obviously delusionally hoping that by ostensibly being nice to the Muslim faction of their population now, that same faction will presumably show the same reciprocation toward the Anglos in the future once Muslims are the majority in Europe.

Well, when the Anglo Europeans DO become the minority in "Eurabia", I think they'll discover the hard way that there is NO negotiating with Muslims. Once Muslims have the numbers, they'll cast off any restraint toward their Anglo countrymen. And the greatest irony is that, at that point in time, Anglo Europeans will find themselves very much in the same position as the Jews who were trying to flee Europe in the late 1930's - only now the tables will be turned, and the Anglo Europeans will find THEMSELVES forgotten and forsaken by a world which will be just as indifferent to their impending slaughter as the Anglo Europeans were toward the impending slaughter of their own Jewish countrymen on the eve of WW2. And then the chickens will REALLY have come home to roost!

Dottie
What makes you think only Muslim women would be subject to barbaric treatment? Maybe to start, but if the Muslims (Baraq Hussein) gain control, they will ultimately demand that all women respect their so-called "culture."

Muslims stone women for infidelity and hang homosexuals for being what they are. As a straight male, I will only sacrifice pork and liquor. I can live without the pork, but a world without martinis is unthinkable.

jerabaub: Give us a break!!!

Our LIBERATION is by no means responsible far more fundamentalist Islamic state in Iraq than existed prior to March of 2003.

Savage is right, liberalism IS a mental disorder!

And, believe me, it's NEVER hard to suppress a chuckle when we're chuckling AT YOU and your limited lib friends. LOL

Geniuses
Anne and Gestell have the adopted the "Brilliant" position that "Sharia Law" produces more violence than Western law.I would like to pose a challenge;For the next two months please count the number of Domestic cases involving the two.Sharia Law is superior to Western Law because it is a way of living.Sharia Law is like a "Fabric",while Wester Law is a "Quilt".Also, for a person to assign destruction to Law is an indictment of all legal systems.Americans are just not that smart?

Silver Bullet
Perhaps it is time to bring in the power of American Advertising. (think Super Bowl commercials).

Do Muslims know that:

1. All cosmetics sold in America have a pig-fat base?

2. American men carry wallets made of pig-skin, and have pig-oil on our hands when we shake their hands?

3. Every fast-food restaraunt is emitting smoke from frying bacon and ham -- that is what they are breathing as they drive by?

4. Leather seats are really made of pig-skin?

5. American footballs really are made of pig-skin--so we can just toss one to them?

6. Floor waxes include a generous amount of pig-fat -- they are walking on it every time they walk on tile or linoleum?

7. Fried food in America is made from pig-fat?

8. Bio-diesel is also made of pig-fat, and the exhaust from the cars has un-burned pig-fat for them to breathe?

I could go on... how about it, Madison Avenue? S-O-S.

This is really bad news.
I'm as liberal as they come, but I agree entirely that it's catastrophic for the British to allow Sharia law in their country.

This is a sad day for justice everywhere.

Anne
I am not a liberal.

Just because I don't drink the neocon koolaid on Iraq, does not make me a liberal.

You need to understand that neocons do not embody conservatism. They merely hijacked the current administration's foreign policy, largely as a result of a clueless President Bush who never understood real conservatism in the first place.

Pat Buchanan, George Will, Robert Novak, many members of Bush 41 administration who opposed the invasion, are not liberals.

I did not say we "liberated" Iraq in order that a more fundamentalist regime could govern.

I merely said our liberation of Iraq resulted in a Shia regime that appears to be far more fundamentalist than Saddam's regime.

And I offered the piece about Iraqi women either ELECTING to wear, or being PRESSURED to wear, more fundamentalist Islamic clothing, as an example of that.

Great article
Some people have no sense. I feel sorry for the people here and in England they are giving up their Freedoms and they don't realize it until they are the woman being abused.Lord Abbul Phillips Is opening the door that we will all regret,because there is a huge monster Behind this door

JFP
I guess I should have been clearer in using the word "bigotry." I did not have your comments in mind. The U.S. has generally done a very good job of accomodating muslims in this country. The result is a thriving community outside of Detroit, another in Buffalo that turned in plotters before they even reached the danger stage (possibly before they really reached the anything stage).

By contrast, the French have largely shoven muslims into slums for not being properly French. Not surprisingly the result is an underclass that periodically engages in rioting. I meant that we will be fine as long as we continue to follow American values and let muslims integrate at their own pace.

I was accusing you of having a lack of faith in western values, but that does not imply any bigotry.

I don't know of any feminists who know what the quote you gave really was in context. It does not make a lot of sense in the context you gave. So before attacking it, I would want to know what it actually meant in context.

Look at how Thomas has distorted the quote from the British judge above. How seriously should we take out of context quotes from people with Thomas' goals?

One of the nice things about freedom is that one can fight for it by simply living ones life freely. In fact many of the attempts to "fight" for western values seem to involve abandoning them in the name of fighting. That is the worst way to fight for western values.

On the other hand let muslims become a central part of American society, and they will not want to abandon what we have to offer. Although no doubt they will put an Arab or Persian or Indian spin on it as the case may be. That is what every other group that has come here has done.

Killer
Sharia law may be superior to Western law if you are a straight Muslim male, but not so good if you are a stray woman or homosexual. The only way that it may reduce violence is by permanently eliminating those it considers troublesome. Obama voters have much more to fear than conservatives. Hail Baraq Hussein!

All Muslims out of our country, now

Since its beginning, about 1500 years ago, Islam and all who follow it have been the criminals of the world. Look at Spain, look at the Balkans, and look at all the people who left, Beverly Hills is full of the rich ones.

Islam is not a religion, it’s a government, a government that has done more harm to the world than even the far left communists, liked by most Huffpro posters. Just make a list of all things a normal reasonable government can do, and see if any item on the list is not something Moslems do. They can kill, tell you when you can drive, when you can watch TV, tell you what to eat, what to drink, when you can do either, women are evil and are owned by others, and on and on. A slimy government at that.

I say give any Moslem in this country four chances.

Become a real nice person (almost impossible)
Leave this country voluntarily.
Get thrown out by the Military
Be exterminated.

And right now.



Out, Out I say


What the Arabs, the Muslims do in their own sandy cesspool is of no concern to me, but since every country consists only of a culture and a border, I want them out of the US now, and I want the US out of that sandy cesspool now.

If it hadn't sounded so funny I would have cried when one of the poo-bahs of Wash DC said that the Iraqis would greet us on the street with flowers. They have no idea or background in a government like democracy, so why did anyone expect they would like what we thought we were doing for them.

Can you name a portion, an item of culture anywhere in the world that would improve our country?

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And you might add that in all these years, Islamics have yet to invent a culture or a country where they want to live. By the millions Islamics have left their "sewers" and moved to places where there is the Western European Culture. It has been reported that Islamics are promoting the fact that with a high birth rate and more immigration, within a couple of decades Australia will become an Islamic sewer.



This is why
we should bring home our soldiers from FDR's War to get rid of the illegal aliens. Army engineers can build the wall. Tanks and helicopters can patrol the border. The infantry can round up the illegals and get rid of them. It would only cost what we presently pay to protect Germany.

Lon
OK, here's a bit more context:

"Then, in September 2001 ... the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65 percent of rapes of Norwegian women were performed by 'non-Western' immigrants -- a category that, in Norway, consists mostly of Muslims. The article quoted a professor of social anthropology at the U. of Oslo ... as saying that "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes' because Muslim men found their dress provocative." The statement I quote above follows a couple sentences after this.

Feminists spent a great deal of effort in the 60s and 70s trying to get people to avoid blaming the rape victim, but now political correctness, in the guise of multiculturalism, is destroying their work.

Lon and Jim
Lon is a naive fool if he thinks that Muslims who will commit suicide to kill non-Muslims will ever change because of the fruits of Western society.

Jim has it exactly right.

Lon:
I agree that Western values are stronger than any other system in the world. But our "intellectuals" are determined that we change to another system and have been systematically teaching the young that our system is wrong and that other systems are better. Further, since most politicians (as Obama proved in some of his statements) consider themselves as part of the "intellectual", they are trying to also undermine the Western values primarily because Western values encourage individualistm, freedom, and thinking for themselves. This group is doing a good job of it through politically correct language, etc. Sooner or later the young will tend to believe that they should go to another system because the Western values are wrong.

This is why historically democracies don't last long. They are not defeated except by themselves because of people undermining their values and discouraging individual thought. That is why the Conservatives are (not really afraid) upset about the way the politicians and "intellectuals" are stressing multiculturalism and the fact that other values are as important as and as good or better than our own.

P/C to the END?? Not Me!!
All the MOSLEMS who came Here, with the idea of using our Legal System--[Liberal and Watered Down as it is Now]-- to Conquer/Innundate us [By all that I can see, that's their Agenda], Can SWIM Back to Asia, Africa, India, Packistan, and whatever Other HELL-HOLES they came from, with an Illegal Mexican under one arm, and an Illegal Venezuelan Drug Runner under the other!! [for water wings]. This is now the Peoples Democratic United States of Illegal Immigrants. It USED to be The U.S.A! Oh, btw, I'm not a dumb Redneck, B.A. SOCIAL SCIENCE Fla. Atlantic Univ. '71. I was part of the Revolution, Too Bad we Won??!!

Delusional Democrats
Do Democrats have a mental block when it comes anything rational? Are the posters at townhall a microcosm of their party? If so,we are doomed if they get total control.

They had better take off their 'rose-colored'glasses and see the world as it is and not as they think it is. Thinking clearly is their problem,though.


Jim:
The Islamic religion is a religion, not a government. The government, on the other hand, is a theoarchy. In other words, the religion IS the government. It is just that the religion goes beyond just the government.

Any religious-run government can and does attack other religions. One of the reasons our country was founded was because every country in Europe had a national religion. All other religious groups were attacked. When the U.S. was established the Founders did not want any government sponsored religion for this reason and demanded the freedom of religion. We are, as a result, the most tolerant nation in the world about the beliefs of others.

The trouble with Islam is that it is indeed a religion of peace - for Moslems. But in contact with any other religious group, Islam says they are to destroy that group by any means. And it doesn't matter what type of Islamic religion you believe - all say the same thing.

The ones who cause most of the problems use terror to gain power. Basically, if you do exactly as they tell you, you can remain safe. It is when you, or someone in your neighborhood, does not do what they say that you are endangered. And that doesn't even exclude their own people. True terrorists don't really care about religion except for the fact that it gets them fanatics who are ready and willing to kill themselves on command. They want only power over the rest and are willing to do whatever it takes to get that power - except kill themselves, of course. The fanatics do that.

ex-Wyomingite
Do you really think that baraq Hussein and the Socialists will manipulate immigration law to control the increase of Muslims in this country?

If anything, they will open the floodgates to assist in their hold on power.

How quickly many people forget September 11 and how devastating was the presence of just a few Muslims on American soil.

jim (#91) wrote
"Islam is not a religion, it’s a government, a government that has done more harm to the world than even the far left communists, liked by most Huffpro posters".

Almost on the nail. Islam is actually a prelude to the ultimate false religion (mentioned in Revelation) as shown by a strategy used in Holy Land (and in modified form in Sub-continent). Christians and Jews in Holy Land were both marked out as dhimmis (basically, status much worse than those of subject peoples in British-ruled colonies) and had to wear identifying cloth patches (yellow for Jews, azure for Christians) on headgear (very close to forehead) or right sleeve (forearm); the only distinguishing characteristic from the ultimate false religion is that its own adherents are identified by the ABSENCE (rather than presence) of a mark; in Sub-continent, the locals (termed "Hindus" by the Turkic invaders) though mostly NOT "people of book" (the few "people of book" in Sub-continent then were Nestorian Christians***) were forced to wear saffron patches and id as dhimmis.

***Also, Muslims ruled the areas where most Nestorians were found (southwestern and southeastern coasts) only for the periods of 1308-1336, and 1642-1707.

killer: YET another delusional post.

Exactly how did you come to the conclusion that I "have the adopted the "Brilliant" position that "Sharia Law" produces more violence than Western law."

Did I say that? NO..I..DID..NOT!

But, IF you're capable of actually reading, and IF you actually do read, you'd understand that Islamic law PROVIDES for all kinds of abuse for women.

Of course, you're not suggesting that because "domestic violence" exits in this country, that we're the same as the Muslims, are you? ARE YOU????

Actually, honey pot.. I mean honey pie.. it's not that Americans are just not that smart, it's YOU that's just not that smart?

American Law vs. Other Countries
First, keep in mind that the MSM has a vested interest in keeping people here stirred up. Bad news sells better than good news so you are going to hear more of it even if they have to make it up.

Americans are blamed for having more crime. This is not true. What is true is that in countries like the Mid-East, anyone who commits even a small crime generally is executed. And most executions are NOT done formally by the governments there. The police or someone else does it as part of the arrest. That does cut down the amount of crime committed.

Other crimes are not reported there. For instance, if a man beats his wife here, he can land in jail and becomes a crime statistic. In the Mid-East, if a woman reports it she is more apt to be punished than he is. Remember the woman who reported being raped? She was beaten for reporting it. Crowds also punish offenders there, sometimes even real ones. These are also not reported as criminal statistics.

In most European countries crimes are not punished as they are here. For instance in England even first degree murder, which means someone is sentenced to live in prison, generally has to serve about two-three years in prison at most. Right now in England, crime is so frequent that the police cannot investigate anything except major felonies. Therefore most crimes reported here never show up on their list. People don't bother reporting burglaries or assault unless it is really serious. No one pays any attention.

Finally most countries don't tell the real story. Mexico does not have the death penalty. However, if you are sentenced to any long term, you will be very unlikely to survive it. Try getting their government to tell how big a percentage of their prisoners actually die in prison and see what they tell you.

America is usually the one to get bad reports because we actually let people look and tell them the truth.

Charles
I was not thinking of the at a high estimate 10,000 muslims who would blow themselves up as changable. I was thinking more of the other billion plus. I do think that that 10,000 is unlikely to change.

jerabaub #87: Well thank you for sharing
.

Sharia Law
Cal -- I think you are over stating the concern. As you admit, the Judge allows the Sharia Law only in contract disputes when both parties argee. He did not allow it in family law matters. What the judge did is very similar to the freedom of contract that parties in America have, namely thfe freedom to agree that foreign law will apply when interpreting the contract.
David Schmidt

JFP
I had never seen the quote in question before. Based on a quick google search it turns out that the professor in question is a woman named Unni Wikan. Contrary to your second quote, the article does not quote her as saying that women must take their share of the responsibility, although it attributes that remark to her, it is not in quotes as are the various things that they do direct her as saying.

Examples of things it does quote her as saying are "I will not blame Norwegian women for these rapes" and "It is never acceptable with rape."

Rather she is trying to make the non-politically correct point that it is not surprising that when you have two groups with different sets of social conventions, that things will go wrong. And that it would be sensible for Norwegian women to take that into account, by for example not inviting such men home when such an invitation could have different meaning to them.

This is the kind of thing that I suspect many feminists would blast if they were keeping up with obscure Norwegian professors. I am not sure they would be right. With admittedly nothing to go on but the article as translated by someone with a website, I see no reason not to take seriously her claims that she is just trying to point out what is commonsense when two cultures are put in context.

(I believe in Norway, as in Sweden, most foreigners were brought in as cheap labor with the expectation that they would be sent back. SO there was no attempt at assimilation at all. And so the country simply found itself with this large unassimilated population that prefered to stay).

JFP
Partly whether what she makes sense depends on whether the rape problem in Norway is really a matter of culture confusion, or it is a question of a large number of rapists preying on society. If it is the latter she is simply talking nonsense. If it is the former she does not seem that unreasonable.

But based on the article, her claim that Norwegian women should adapt seems to amount to little more than that they should be aware that some things that would be clear symbols to Norweigian men will mean different things to immigrant men.

That is certainly not what I was expecting based on the quote you gave. The fact that what people said in context is so seldom guessable from the way anti-muslim alarmists present them is why I have so little faith in such arguments.

David
You got it completely wrong; The Judge will allow Sharia Law in cases of contract disputes, which in English Common Law marriage is a contractual. Also, money lending is against Sharia Law. In our constitutional framework, official religious laws, such as the Catholic Canon Law have and can never have any standing. Was the same in Enlgand until now.

The Judge opened up an official pandora's box. I say official, because Shaira Law is being practiced in most of the European No-Go Zones. Forced marriages, kidnappings, the murder of money lenders and pawnshops, enforced public dress codes, etc... already are being imposed in England, parts of Belgium France, Norway, Spain, and Italy.

Our culture is all important

A country has two things, and two things only — a border and a culture, if you violate either, out you go.

I have posted that comment a 100 times, with only a response or two. Do you agree, do you disagree, is it too complicated for you to understand, or is it so prefect you can’t improve on it?

The rights, the duties, and the privileges protected and guaranteed by any Culture, do not, and must never include the right to destroy that Culture.

Diversity as it is intended to be, means from country to country, not the phony diversity of people going to another country, and taking their culture with them, and refusing to assimilate.

If I want to see how the Mexicans live I will go to Mexico, not Van Nuys. If I want to know how the Algerians live, I will go to Algeria, not Paris. If we let people go from this country to that, and not require them to adopt the culture of their destination country, soon that culture, therefore that country, will disappear. Already too many foreigners want to live in the USA and in Western Europe, obeying all the tenets of their previous culture that they hated enough to leave. If it was so bad that you left, why bring it along?

When we visit another country we are there to learn about their home and way of life, and we try not to tell everyone our home and our culture is best, even though we are positive that it is.


45caliber
I am not sure in what sense you think western values are stronger than others when you think that western values naturally implode on themselves. That suggests they are not particularly strong at all.

You seem to think that young people when pushed to consider the array of value systems out there will choose non-western ones. I am not sure why someone pushed to embrace multiculturalism would then choose Islam which is not exactly open to multiculturalism.

You may be right that western values are weak and naturally collapse on themselves. But that does not contradict my claim that conservatives think western values are weak. It illustrates it.

Airport foot baths today
Sharia law is not far behind. Women need not apply. And cover up your face. Come to think of it, that would not be a bad idea for Janet Reno and our distinguish female member of the Supreme Court.

David: Are you referring to "Lord Chief
Justice Lord Phillips said, 'Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law.'"

What you missed is that the women has no rights and don't get a chance to agree or not to anything....





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Britain’s demise is complete. This morning I heard Prager mention that the British eunuchs have said that if a child as young as 3 doesn’t like spicy food then he/she is a racist. The liberal mind is a wasteland. Prager also made an excellent quip when he said the liberals will probably have the letter “T” deemed racist since it resembles a cross. I could see the politically correct retards banning the use of “T” for that very reason. After all, the liberal fascists in the ACLU sued the city of Los Angeles and other cities forcing them to cover up a miniscule cross on the states logo. Lost on these liberal miscreants is that CA was founded by missionaries.

Is this the future Brits fought for in WWII? R.I.P.

Lon
Just one (1) of your high estimate of 10,000 suicide bombers is enough to practice extreme caution about the presence of Muslims in this country. Add to your 10,000 potential suicide bombers the many millions who will never assimilate into Western society and will continue to demand that we change to respect their religious beliefs. We won't respect our own beliefs, but yet government agencies demand that we respect Islam.

This will only become worse under Baraq Hussein, who was born and raised as a Muslim and whose only link to Christianity is a radical church that bases its so-called Christianity on social action instead of religious beliefs, and at the same time praises the Black Muslim Farrakhan.

Peolpe have quickly forgotten the Muslim massacre of the World Trade Center victims. When random suicide bombings begin to kill people on subways, buses, marketplaces, stores, sports stadiums, etc., maybe more will take the Muslim threat seriously.

The Great Satan™: And let's not forget

the "piggy banks" and the bomb "sniffer dogs" that offended the Muslims, and the Brits just acquiesced.

I hate to sound harsh, but if the "culture" and the "law of the land" offends you.... two words.. "GO HOME!"

I LOVE my country, but I have to say, Australia is looking better and better....


Anne
It's mindboggling what's going on Britain. Eurabia indeed.

Gambler5112: Right! Foot baths, and

not taking passengers in their cab if they have a dog or even a bottle of wine...

And most recently a request for a place to pray during the day...

And then there's the Islamic school in Alexandria, VA... harboring and training future little terrorists????

GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK!

PM Howard was absolutely correct:

“'There’s a small section of the Islamic population which is unwilling to integrate,' he said.

“'And I have said, generally, all migrants … they have to integrate, and that means speaking English as quickly as possible, it means embracing Australian values and it also means making sure that no matter what the culture of the country from which they come might have been, Australia requires women to be treated fairly and equally and in the same fashion as men.

“'And if any migrants that come into this country have a different view, they better get rid of that view very quickly.'"

I'm waiting for SOMEBODY right here in the US to say pretty much the same thing......

Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips
The scary thing is that if Lord Phillips has his way, another "international precedent" will be available to the liberals on SCOTUS.


Lon:
I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I said or are doing it deliberately. I did NOT say that Western values are weak. I said that the "intellects" are trying to portray them as weak to our young. I also didn't say Western values implode. I said that democracies die because people who don't like them destroy them from the inside.

Anything can be destroyed, whether it is strong or weak. It is in how the destruction is done. Nothing is strong enough to prevent destruction when the destruction is done from the inside. If you can convince the young people that any and all other cultures are equal to or superior to Western values then they will tend to ignore those values.

For instance, under our values, it is wrong to murder a wife simply because you are mad at her. Under Sharai law, it is legal if the man insists she has blackened his honor. It doesn't matter if other people believe that or not. Many of the young people in this country now have been taught that everything should be considered in grays. Many believe that Hitler must have had a reason he believed was good to kill millions of his own people, therefore killing them is not necessarily a bad thing. There are no values at all. This is an excellent way to introduce other value sets as the government is trying to do. For instance, the government is always right.

Read what I said again - slowly. Perhaps you will understand it this time.

Jim
I have not, and am not, ignoring the warnings that you have posted. I clearly understand you.

At this moment, the EU is being overtaken by Muslims. They move in, they do not assimilate (which would be contrary to Islamic beliefs), and they multiply. They will be relatively quiet until they do not have to be a silent majority.

At this moment, we see the dreadful pictures of Darfur. Who is burning down homes and churches and slaughtering these people? Muslims. We don't watch it or admit it; but, Islam is taking over Africa. They are taking over Indonesia, although we rarely hear about that, either.

Here it is like a child eating a cookie with little nibbles around the edge until the whole cookie is suddenly gone. They have public schools they have taken over and refused to fly our flag in front of (don't know how to use the flag pole). We have allowed 'our dear friends the Saudis to fund over 1,000 schools here. Little nibbles. We acceed to foot baths. Little nibbles. We get pushed to allow Muslim cab drivers to make decisions on whom they will service based on their religion. The MSM and our government try to shame us when people on an airplane are frightened by Imams moving around and getting seat-belt extensions for their prayers. Little nibbles. CAIR is right in the middle of it. CAIR, the very same organization that funnels money to terrorists, pushes our people and government around. CAIR constantly nibbles away.

Islam is not compatable with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, or any other religions. It is their intent to take over the world. It appears that they are off to an excellent start. They are even causing problems in western China.

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To add to Anne's points........

I heard that some public school here in the US were teaching kids about Islam. The "teaching" aka indoctrination included having the kids pray towards mecca on all fours with their @sses in the air. Two brave kids refused and were reprimanded. Without going into a verbal tirade let me just say the principal and teacher should be publicly flogged, fired and a restraining order issued against them keeping them away from children.

Just imagine the liberals squeals of "separation of church and state" if the kids were forced to perform a Christian practice.

The liberals in the US are demented filth solely bent on bringing this Great Nation down. Liberals only care about "church & state" when it involves Christians. They are not intellectually honest; they are Christian bigots and panderers to muslims.

This all boils down to cowardice. Liberals have no qualms disparaging Jews or Christians because they know Jews/Christians won't behead them, riot or burn down buildings in protest. The Muslims on the other hand will cut their throats for any perceived insult so liberal cowards acquiesce to all muslim demands.

As Mark Steyn [I believe it was him] once wrote [to the effect]: Liberals, thy name is cowardice.

Jim
I would, also, like to remind you of the 'honor killing' in Georgia just two days ago. A father killed his daughter who wanted out of her arranged marriage.

Remember just over a year ago when two Syrian brothers were arrested in North Carolina for attempted terrorism on an army base? If you recall, THEY CAME ACROSS OUR SOUTHERN BORDER ILLEGALLY. They were raised in this country. They were educated in this country. They even spoke English, which the parents still did not. Is this assimilation? Why weren't these people identified long before?

Night before last I saw a Border Patrol Agent on TV stating the number of illegals coming across at El Paso was up. And, the illegals coming across were from 142 different countries. Think about that. How long will Bush and Congress and the next president turn a blind eye to what is painfully apparent? How long will be let Mexico City dictate our immigration policy when theirs on their southern border is brutal?

Bush, Chertoff, and both sides of the aisle in Congress should be tarred, feathered, and dropped out of a plane over the Pacific. It is time to STOP ALL IMMIGRATION until we know who is in this country and clean this mess up. Then we ought to be 'bigoted' enough to decide what immigrants are compatable with our culture, values, traditions, and exercise of freedoms.

Summers
Your otherwise excellent post failed to address the Muslim representation in Congress and the possibility of a closet Muslim running for President. At the very least, they will have a sympathetic ear in the White House. Soon they will not need to nibble.

If Islam is not compatible with Christianity, why does Trinity UCC in Chicago praise Minister Farrakhan?

The Muslim problem is a political issue (even if the Obama campaign wants to bury it) and the Democrats are the Muslim (and Palestinian) supporters.

Surrendering
We have already surrendered our sovereignty to the illegals from who knows what countries. We have no idea who is here and where they come from or what their plans are.

Once you start slipping,it is hard to get your footing. We have let our guard down and no way will we ever get a handle on stopping the downslide.

If we had a strong nominee who would fight to put a stop to our porous borders and would send illegals packing,we might have a chance. I see no one like that.


Liberal are scared of Girls...

These little code-pink boys can't engage a real women. They would rather take the easy (disturbed) way out, and have their women fearful and submissive.

This child-molester Judge is just thinking how nice it would be to "buy" his own 12 yr old virgin bride(s).

How sickening the Liberal mind must be to want to legalize child rape and the stoning of wives.

Do these thick-heads even realize their own daughters and sisters will be next in line?

Rowly
I know that John McCain is not perfect, but when it comes to defending our integrity as a country I would certainly prefer one with a long history of American military service over the son of an African Muslim, raised by a Muslim stepfather in Indonesia, with a history limited to social activism in Chicago closely linked with white and black radicals and the Black Muslims. There are just too many warning signs to be ignored. After the fact it will be too late.

Charles
Before addressing your post, I would like to make everyone aware that E. D. Hill on Fox News just interviewed a Congressman who is trying to get two boys back from a Pakistani madrassa to which their father had sent them. There are over 20,000 madrassas (radical Islamic schools like those funded by the Saudis here) in Pakistan. At the one madrassa where these two boys are, there are 80 American students. Should we be allowing this? This is all too PC and far-fetched for me to say they have a right to attend a militant school that teaches intolerance of other religions.

I wish I had an answer for you as to Trinity UCC. I had intended to research that church and have been too caught up with the busyness of life to get it done, yet. There may be an explanation for it if Trinity comes from the Baltimore UCC sect, which is not Christian and is little more than a cult. As I have some information on it, I will research it and let you know. That would explain the open-armed embrace of Muslims and the radical agenda. While I may not get this research finished today, I will not forget to let you know what I find.

As to the wide acceptance of people who are clearly terrorists by the majority of liberal Democrats, under the tutelage of Reid and Pelosi, we have lost much when we lost a sense of country. There was a time when an ex-President, like drooling Jimmy the Senile, would have never spoken ill of our country, our serving President, or our allies here, much less abroad. We say our enemy is our friend; when, actually the old adage was the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But, then, we have decided that murders deserve pampered treatment and release because of the hard life they had lived before taking the life of another. Our moral compass has been lost since Reagan.

Charles
[M]urders should read murderers. Please excuse that and all other disconnects between my mind and fingers that result in typos.

Carlos
Liberals are not just scared of girls, they want to be girls. Everything about them is feminine at some level, from fear of competition, to avoidance of confrontation, to avoidance of violence in self-defense, to a general air of helplessness when faced with any problem. Please government, please help us, is the liberal reaction to any problem. If the world was left to these losers, we would all starve.

That is why they will give in to the Muslims (and every other minority) instead of demanding that they accept the values of this country.

Islam is Devil worship
God gave His Prophet Moses The Ten Commandments, which include, “Do not murder”, “Do not lie under Oath”, and “Honor your Mother”.

The teachings of God’s Prophet Buddha converted the Tibetans from the fiercest warriors of their time to Monks who pray over their shoes every morning in case they step on a bug and kill it.

Jesus, the Son of God, taught love and forgiveness.

Islamists have been mass murderers from the very beginning. Their Koran teaches lying under oath to non-Muslims. They abuse all females, including their mothers in every way possible. They know not music.

One thing that Heaven shares with the people of God is music. Music is so important to God that every generation of His followers has many people skilled in the creation and reproduction of music. Their songs include “Ave Maria, Amazing grace, You’ll Never Walk Alone, and God Bless America”.

Since the Devil is a fallen angel, he knows of the existence of music, but his Muslim followers have no knowledge of it, because Heaven doesn’t share music with the followers of the Devil. There are no Islamic versions of those songs.

Charles
You pinpoint the problem in your post to Carlos. We put minorities before the majority when it comes to sound decision making for the safety and security of our country.

Charles
I agree with you. If you have read any of my posts,you would know that. McCain is a disappointment to me and I did not vote for him,but he is the nominee and I will vote for him,now.

Believe me,I need no prompting about Obama. He is bad news and we have to stop him.

Summers
Thanks for your response.

I am not familiar with the intricacies of the UCC, but I have seen enough of Trinity UCC, not only Reverend Wright himself, but the howling frenzy of the congregation, to see what it is all about. You can also visit their website (unless they have toned it down) to see the clear black liberation theology foundation of the church.

In my mind, this church is not Christianity. The Christian church is not just a gathering place for social activists to carry on their version of good works in the community (which is, in fact, how Obama defends the otherwise radical church that he attended for 20 years). The "good works" can stand or fall on their own merits, but they do not create, by themselves, a Christian church without a basic theological foundation and belief. "Black liberation" churches like Trinity UCC are much closer to Black Muslims than to other Christian churches.

watch for further controversy
hear hear.

In addition I've just watched an archaeological thriller on BBC1, set in the UK, called "Bonekickers" when, as part of the plot, a Muslim was beheaded by a Brit bearing a medioeval sword and wearing a T-shirt with the knights-templar logo. In a world where Muslim extremists think nothing of calling for the beheading of Christians, I'd wager that the controversy is going to grow over this.

Frugal Dougal
Cambridgeshire
England
NE Alabama

Rowly
Excuse me for being relatively new and not familiar with your history. I thought you might be one of the Bob Barr fans.

John McCain was not my first choice. Fred Thompson was my preference. But when you consider the balance of the field (excluding those who had no chance), it is not clear to me that any of the others were clearly more conservative than McCain.

The one area where he clearly excels is an apparent willingness to address spending issues. I also believe that he was correct on Iraq from the beginning, and that much of the unpopularity of the war stems from lack of success rather than from engaging in the war itself

John Bull
where are you? This is not the England my family was so proud of. This is not the England
Winston Churchill rallied and warned the English would fight the nazi's from one end of England to the other. I cannot believe that true Englishmen will tolerate much more of this.
Sadly, they've had their guns taken away from them so what can they do? This is our fate if
the marxist a.k.a libs get their way, we won a reprieve with the last SCOTUS ruling but if the
Manchurian RED Prince and loyal to Africa only
gains the W.H., there will be other attempts and with ACLU nominees, we will have the 2nd
amendment erased. Unless we stand and fight.
Every state should have the right to carry.
We will need it if these illegals are less than benign people, who in our Presidents words, want to do the work Americans won't do. When in our history have we ever been at war and NOT
protected our borders???? When Pancho Villa terrorized the s.W., didn't the President send in Blackjack Pershing to Mexico. Where is that kind of President today?
Killer, what are you doing in this country, you
became a citizen??? And you trash it? Go home,
you are the kind of English that makes me ashamed of my ancestry.

Charles
An answer for you on Trinity. First let me correct the city of the sect that broke away from the mainline Church of Christ; it was Boston. The break-away sect is known as the International Church of Christ. It has NOTHING to do with the mainline Church of Christ.

I am continuing to research it. From what I see, now, it seems to be a church that was hijacked! I am tracking down the body to which Trinity is answerable.

Most predominately black churches preach a good, strong Christian message. So far, Trinity seems to be an aberration. Will continue my research.

Sissified Liberal Judges.
I’m sure the sissified liberal judges in our court system will follow suit when Sharia Law it enters their docket. All you have to say to them cowards is they’re discriminating against Islam.
Those liberal judges will comply and fall on their backs like whores.
Political correctness has turned our men into sissies

Can we be far behind?
Since 1977 and especially in the last five years, Justices John Paul Stevens, Stephen Breyer, and Anthony Kennedy have cited foreign decisions to support their positions. MSNBC reported: "Last October, (2006) in a speech in Atlanta, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor added fuel to the controversy over foreign precedents, predicting that 'over time we will rely increasingly, or take notice at least increasingly, of international and foreign courts in examining domestic issues.'"

"The impressions we create in this world are important and they can leave their mark," O'Connor said in remarks quoted in the Atlanta Constitution. Looking to foreign precedents "may not only enrich our own country's decisions, I think it may create that all-important good impression."

Given the make-up of the USSCT, can the U.S. be far behind the U.K. in followining this dangerous road?


Summers:
Wht part of Texas are you in?

Tea Party
When people take what they have for granted and have never fought for it or worked for it, they tend not to realize what they give away.

Where is Eisenhower? For that matter, where is Hoover? They expelled illegal aliens and sent them packing to their countries of origin. Reagan, for all his good works, started the amnesty landslide. While Reagan was good for the country, he was not perfect.

Remember the days when teens had part-time jobs and summer jobs? We need to send illegals packing, again.

Our immigration program needs to be halted until we reform it. We need to think it out carefully in the cold, critical light of what is best for the future of this country.

High Treason!
I suggest that the Lord Chief Justice be dragged to the Tower of London and tried for crime of High Treason.

When convicted, the traditional English punishment would be appropriate.

This punishment included drawing, hanging, beheading, and quartering.

Good one way down south.
I like the way you think.

well, killer
Jewish people tend to be quite a bit more civilizred than the perpetually outraged Sharia followers. They have shown an ability to assimilate instead of trying to make everyone transform for them.

Let's boil this down . . .
Many of you have touched upon the following, but I'm going to break it down so it is easily found and can be easily understood:

The radical Muslims have a 100 yr plan for creating a worldwide caliphate. They are about 10 years in and they are quite pleased with the results so far, especially in Europe which will likely fall in the next few decades. They are also working in South America, which, as anyone knows, isn't that far of a trek to North America through our very open borders.

Here's how it's going:

1. Great Britain #1: Not considering the Three Little Pigs for an award because it might offend Muslims.

2. Great Britain #2: Teachers not discussing the Holocaust because it might offend Muslim students.

3. Great Britain #3: Scottish police apologizing for and removing an ad with a puppy in it because it offended Muslims.

4. Great Britain #4: Dogs wearing botties before going into Muslim homes because dogs offend Muslims.

5. Great Britain #5: Toddlers (read: parents) being labeled as "racist" if they say yuck to foreign food.

6. America #1: Public foot baths, I believe at the University of Michigan.

If this keeps up much longer, well, the 100 year plan will be more than well on its way to completion.

If you think any of that is trivial, then that's exactly how they want you to think.

Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people are not out to get you.

Cheers.

More on Britanistan...
As Rowan, grand muphti of Canterburystan - may the Prophet add to his existing 40 wives more virgins! - has repeatedly said, the Prophet is always right and the infidel dogs who question his (Prophet's) intentions are doomed, and all faithful in the World should follow his (Prophet's) instructions!

The 20 minutes old! CNN post bellow supports righteous Lord Philips' views in this Sharia matter:------------------*-------------------
"[...] A Pakistani man is charged with killing his 25-year-old daughter in Georgia because she wanted out of an arranged marriage, police said. (CNN/ 20 minutes ago og this post/ATLANTA, Georgia).
Chaudhry Rashid is accused of killing his daughter because she wanted to end an arranged marriage.
Somber and tearful, Chaudhry Rashid, 54, of Jonesboro, an Atlanta suburb, made his first court appearance Tuesday in connection with the death of Sandeela Kanwal. [Cont'd]

More on Britanistan (ii)
[cont'd] He was advised through an Urdu interpreter of the murder charge, and of his legal rights. Court records indicate that a preliminary hearing has been scheduled for July 24.
He was arrested early Sunday, after his wife called police at about 2 a.m. She reported that she had been awakened by screaming but couldn't understand the language, a Clayton County police report said. She said she was afraid and left the house to call police.
Officers found Kanwal dead in an upstairs bedroom of the home, according to the police report.
Rashid's wife told authorities Kanwal recently had been married in Pakistan -- an arranged marriage, she said. The young woman's husband was living in Chicago, Illinois, police said, but Kanwal remained at her father's home and worked at a metro Atlanta Wal-Mart for a brief time.
"The victim was not interested in marrying, nor remaining married to her husband," the police report said, citing information authorities received from Rashid's wife. "This was causing a great deal of friction between the victim and her father," so much so that the two had not spoken in two months, the report said. Watch how an arranged marriage ended in violence » etc., etc. [..]"'d]

Frugal
Where are the Knights-Templar when we need 'em?

learn to read
to JFK, RAlph, 58ttom. et al go back and re read mythread. #30 i never advocated anything, akmost never said anything about mulims (i used jews as an eample) never had a word to say about demoxcrats vs republicans never said anyhting about trying to get what i wrote about accepted in th USA... It is information only and anybody who sees something else must be frightened almost beyond
of what i said. the column said one thing i said that it was right but that
we are doing the same , thing, so what? also, it is not true that these pracices are not accepted as legal by our govdrnment .if i know about them its a pretty good bet that our government does also. its a very tacit agreement but it has been in existence for many years. you dont bother me and i wont bother you kind of acceptance. . also, it is a small minority but so are the groups in europe the statement that there are majorites or near majoritie s in any of the cities mentioned is so silly as to be almost beyond belief. you must really be scared. . you can tell a lot about a society by how it treats those small groups. finally did any of you who commmented. (thanks for reading ny post by the way ) really read youd never know it. it?

Winston
I'm sure it's already been stated, but Sir Winston is definitely rolling over in his grave.

"We shall flag and fail. We shall quit long before the end. We shall not fight in France, we shall not fight on the seas and oceans, we shall not fight with growing confidence nor growing strength in the air. We shall not defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall not fight on the beaches, we shall not fight on the landing-grounds, we shall not fight in the fields nor in the streets, we shall not fight in the hills. We shall be the first to surrender!"

Charles
I have read yours and summers posts on this thread and have enjoyed them.

I also was for Thompson until the very end. He was the most articulate and had the best message. I also knew his record as senator.

Mccain was my least favorite as I had not been a fan of his senate record. Conservatives did not elect him. The MSM,moderates,independents and even Democrats voted for him and I resented it.

I have several problems with McCain's record.He has thumbed his nose at conservatives for years. He has so many negatives. But he does have some positives and they are very important to me.

Obama has no positives,only negatives. He is a dangerous unknown intity and he worries me ,no end. He has not been vetted enough for a senator. It is unbelievable to me that he could be our president.I just will NOT accept that.

Welcome to the threads.I have been posting here about four months and love it and spend too much time on it. I will look forward to your writings.

MRCMRC. MRCMRC -
Do y/self a favor and cut on crack when you post. Rants can be sometimes amusing, but your crap is simply unreadable.

rednerrus surrender
Cal; once again you are in the looking glass and peering out from infront. You see nothing as it is written or stated.
Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips said, "Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law."
In that statement, he neither said replacing the English law or surrendering to Islamic law.
If you do not understand what is going on dont put your foot in your mouth.

.....
------I cannot believe that true Englishmen will tolerate much more of this......Tea Party-----

Only the soccer hooligans can save Britain now.

In response to Butcher
If what you say is true (i.e. that Lord Chief Justice Phillips neither said replacing the English law or surrendering to Islamic law) then what the hell was he referring to when he said, "shall be governed by a law other than English law"?

Explain to those of us who aren't endowed with the gift of telepathy what law the Chief Justice would be referring to . . .

Innocence high-jacked
Another step in the wrong direction. Does anyone remember what happened in England this time last year? They made it illegal to teach about the Holocust in private schools (meaning public schools) becuase they didn't want to offend Muslim children who were being taught that the Holocust didn't happen. So now if a student were to ask about the Holocust, the teacher would be required to answer "I don't know if that's true."

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----Does anyone remember what happened in England this time last year? They made it illegal to teach about the Holocust in private schools (meaning public schools) becuase they didn't want to offend Muslim children who were being taught that the Holocust didn't happen.----

I remember this. Apparently the Brits have no problem offending their Jews.

This reminds me of a Russian allegory. During WWII a Russian General is speaking to his troops preparing them for battle and says: “The German nazi b@stards have invaded the Mother Land and massacred our Jews. I want you to kill them and massacre their Jews.”

LIVING ON A THIN LINE
Cal, you should commit youself to a diversity rehab clinic immediately.
Don't you know that England doesn't belong to the English, but to Mohammed and the Mohammedans said they are there to take it back on Live BBC radio. And this was a NORMAL muslim.

Where is the modern day El Cid. NOWHERE.
1492 was the year the muslims were finally defeated in the iberian penn. and sent back to africa.
Thank you Isabella.

adios,
A.B. Normal
LANCASTER, MEXIFORNIA
dial 1 for english

denmark
in denmark, where the 'refugees' fled their totalitarian mullah government (they still go back there on vacations, duhh) the demands are:
No pigs in the butchers window.
All pork products are to be banned.
No one may eat a ham at the picnic next to a muslim family.
How bout a chicarone habib?

The obsession with pig ( no muppets ) should be used in the war on terror.
every suicide bomber should have his remains collected, sewn into a pig carcass and buried in a box filled with lard.
every check point should have a trained pig to seek out bombs. their sense of smell is 8 times better than dogs, and they are actually easier to train.
drop lard on areas that harbor jihad militia.
ok, give warning first.
lard bombs would probably work better than h.e.'s
In Tel Aviv, they have lard spray cans people bring on the bus to ward off bombers. if you are sprayed, you are unclean and will not see mohammed and your virgins. the sexual heaven is a real indication of the suppressed followers of mohammed.

have the papparazzi [sic] take picture of the ruling robed rogues of mohammed when they go to europe or america for their lap dances. play them back to the people in that turdistan backwater.
mockmood imadinnerjacket was filmed at a gathering in a foreign nation watching a belly dancer and was almost removed by the mullahs.
it could show what the real motives of the holy are. at least they will get 50 lashes, or is that reserved for the lappers and not the lappees?

adios,
A.B. NORMAL
LANCASTER, MEXIFORNIA
dial 1 for english
p.s. THE KINKS HAD IT RIGHT, 'there is no england now'

Doubly troubling
This is, indeed, troubling, doubly so, since Jesus is dead and not coming back. Just one more indication that Islamic triumphalism will prosper further into the future than the Christian variety. In the end, of course, all religious triumphalism is doomed to massive disappointment and failure.

It would be interesting, one or 10,000 years from now, to look back at this blip in human history. Life changes and dies and goes on. One might hope that eventually an enlightened empathic secular humanism will come to dominate human civilization. One might hope more futiley that Jesus or the Imam would eventually also show up too.

sad
Once again Cal takes a single quote out of a long speech and completely blows it out of proportion. And the sheep that follow him unquestionably come in with uninformed opinions.

People are free to choose methods to settle contract disputes outside of the courts - for example - arbitration - as long as both sides agree. However - in matters of marriage and divorce - any settlement must follow local laws. Of course - you would know this if you actually read the speech. But of course you didn't because its easier to just overreact.

yoshi: You ARE kidding, right?
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Pershing & Lard Bullets
Supposedly in the early 20th century, U.S. General John Pershing terrorized Muslim terrorists by having his men rub lard on their bullets.

Today the politically correct crowd would destroy him.

Typical spewing from Cal....
The British court said that the Muslim community is free to write contracts--within that community--according to Sharia law, so long as that law does not conflict with English law.

So the hell what?

Should Jewish people be allowed to write contracts according to Jewish law, so long as it doesn't conflict with English law? How about Mormons?

Thomas hyperventilates that Sharia law and English law are incompatible--totally. Really? So Sharia law, when it outlaws murder and robbery, contradicts English law?

What an unbelievable nitwit Cal Thomas is!

Good maybe the liberals will leave
Good for England maybe the liberals will leave the US and go live with the Muslim brothers in their new found Utopia in England

shelama
He is not dead and yes he will come back!

Your dalliance with moral relativism and secular humanism suggests your underlying principle that there is no God, no right nor wrong. Your religion is irreligion....
One can only shudder at the thought of its inquisitors.

Useful Idiots are Everywhere.
“Thomas hyperventilates that Sharia law and English law are incompatible--totally. Really? So Sharia law, when it outlaws murder and robbery, contradicts English law?”

That you have asked such an silly rhetorical question proves that you know nothing about Islamic law. Did you study under Esposito or Armstrong?

I have spent many years studying the differences between the four major Sunni schools of jurisprudence. To say that Sharia “outlaws murder and robbery,” without having provided any Qur’anic or jihadic context as to the definition and/or interpretation of what an “innocent” is, only proves what a “useful idiot” you are.

shelama
your statement cannot be proven anymore than mine that Jesus is alive and well in every christian heart. I can suffice with blind faith but you lost something from your life and that is faith. I don't judge you as that is not my job or right, but I wish you the chance to be at peace with your life as I am. I have three good kids, a good wife of 31 years and although I don't seek it, I don't fear life or death. Yes, I am conservative and yes, I think libbers are wrong as they are trying to deny me my right to my religeous beliefs while I don't deny them their right to not believe. After all this time of worshipping at a pulpit of hate I believe that is all Obama has for the whites of this world, proven by the way he very seldom talks of his mother but talks in length about his father.

England
Having lived in England, I can assure you the average person there doesn't like what is happening to their country any more than we do.
The liberals and multiculturalists have a great deal of control of the media and have no problem getting their agenda out there. I wonder how it is sitting with the sharia law crowd that the C of E is going to allow women Bishops?

prpl
Seems there was a demonstration not long ago by people wanting their gun rights back. Seems crime has gone up dramatically since they were banned. The English are so polite. It would seem to a fault. It is going to get very interesting. When the pubs are closed there will be armed insurrection.

our next president?

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Barack Obama from 'Audacity of Hope' (p.261)


On Feb 15/08, Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry called Obama's Church and reported the following conversation: " I then asked the person who answered what I needed to do to join. She told me that I needed to attend two Sunday School classes in a row and then I would walk the aisle. I replied, "That sounds easy. One last question please. If I am Muslim and I believe in the Prophet Mohammed, peace be unto him and I also believe in Jesus, peace be unto him, do I have to give up my Islamic faith to be a member in your church? She answered: "No, we have many Muslim members in our church."


MRCMRC
"MRCMRC

Among other things, I have worked as a tutor of English composition. Since you seem to be having some difficulty making your comments grammatically coherent, I would be happy to serve as your tutor and spelling checker. My rates are reasonable.

As for those who think Mr. Thomas is exaggerating the danger represented by the decision of Lord Phillips, does anyone in their right mind believe that this decision is NOT simply one step in a much longer process of social and legal deterioration in Britain? This is typical Muslim behavior whenever they become a CONCENTRATED minority in select areas of a non-Muslim majority country. If they do not have the numbers to take over an entire country, they first start demanding special religious and legal "accommodations" and privileges for their own communities. They then begin acting as if their host country should adjust ITS customs, arts and social mores to Muslims, rather than the other way around. As their population grows, they eventually start demanding political "autonomy" in their own Muslim-majority districts and regions. When their efforts to impose Islamic Law in those regions -- in violation of the national laws of their host government -- are opposed by the national government, they claim that they are being "oppressed" . . . then begin to organize resistance for territorial and political separation, in the name of "liberation".
These tactics are being used now in Ethiopia, Nigeria, southern Thailand, southern Philippines, etc. They should be transparently obvious.

Sigh..
Shelama the Christian hater comes on yet another thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus, Christianity, or Christians, to assure us that Jesus "isn't coming back".

The subject could be about burned toast, and this women will pop up and spew the same crap!
It can't be healthy for someone to be this obsessed with something they claim not to believe in. Hey shelama, you need some serious psychiatric HELP.

Finally, if anyone has any doubts that what is happening in GB can happen here, just read the posts by the useful idiots (aka liberals), and that should clear things up for you.

She Lama of Pigs in Utah
A 'blip' in history? Come now. Typical and to be expected that you come in, spew off about something of which you are ignorant, and then run and hide. Your lack of faith is a faith unto itself. Are you hoping for a reincarnation as something higher than your present self? I'll bet you are aiming to come back as a slug.

Ain't Liberalism wonderful!!
The slow death of Western Europe from PC multi-culturalism, and a growing self loathing on the part of Westerners are the fruits of decades of cultural-Marxism and Liberalism. It is truly sad. But the same thing is happening here. How quickly has the minority population grown in this country over the last 20 years? Not a racist question but a legitimate one based on the ability of a host nation to assimilate too-large numbers of 3rd world immigrants. What for example have LULAC, MeCha, La Raza done other than agitate for ethnic privileges, claim that the white man stole Aztlan from them, press for bilingual education, attempt to supplant US history with a Latinized version, etc. that only serve to fragment the country. Small numbers of immigrants over a long period of time can be assimilated. Large numbers over a short time cannot.
Europe is doomed, dead, over if the natives don't start defending their homelands from the aggressive invaders aided and abetted by LIBERAL politicians. Liberalism is a destructive ideology akin to Marxism and socialism. Same totalitarian goal, different face.

England is gone...
Doubtlessly moslems will become emboldened to try some of that across the Atlantic now. Since the revolution have we ever not had to rescue England?

Cal is just plain silly
Here's a much more sensible analysis of Lord Phillips' speach:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article4 265549.ece

Key quotes: “There is no question of such [Sharia] courts sitting in this country or such sanctions being applied here.

“So far as the law is concerned, those who live in this country are governed by English and Welsh law and subject to the jurisdiction of the English and Welsh courts,” he said.

Letsallrelax
Folks, reread the posting by this twit. Same old same old. "Yep, England has lost its way but"..... And then they trot out a list of grievances that exist in poorly received Hollywood movies and in their minds. Nobody in the states has had their freedoms impinged upon. But when you are in a state of war, govt reacts. I seem to recall that poster boy for Socialism rounding up Japs and hiring the mob to patrol the NY docks....