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Friday, March 07, 2008
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
A 12 Step Program for Recovering Liberals
by Burt Prelutsky
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Most 12-step programs start out by requiring that people have to understand that they’re powerless over their addiction and that only by turning their lives over to a Power greater than themselves can they be restored to sanity. Far be it from me to suggest that I am that Power, but clearly someone has to step in and try to rescue these poor liberal souls. Even the most harebrained among them deserves that much.

First, though, they have to acknowledge that Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha, Dick Durbin, Charles Rangel, Harry Reid and Charles Schumer, are not moderates, but, rather, leftists with a Socialist agenda. Furthermore, they must recognize that the New York Times, the Washington Post, the L.A. Times, CNN, the three major networks, the news magazines and the New Yorker, are not objective in their reporting of political events, and neither are Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher, in their commentary. If these entities and individuals are not on the payroll of the DNC, they certainly should be. They certainly put in longer hours than Howard Dean.

Step #1: It is high time that every American be guaranteed the right to speak freely. It is not reserved solely for left-wing college students who wish to take advantage of the first amendment to shout down conservatives. At the same time, they must not construe the conservative’s right to dismiss them as arrogant idiots as censorship.

Step #2: Affirmative action argues that African Americans and Latinos are intellectually inferior and are unable to compete academically unless other students are handicapped because of their race. Interestingly enough, when blacks and Hispanic students are given these unfair advantages, it’s rarely at any cost to white students, whose rate of college admissions remains constant; instead, it’s nearly always another minority group, Asians, who pay the price. This is what left-wingers refer to as leveling the playing field.

Step #3: Liberals always claim to be in favor of higher taxes, agreeing with Bill Clinton that the government invariably spends money more wisely than those who actually earn it. However, such prominent proponents of higher taxes as George Soros, Ted Kennedy and Mr. and Mrs. John Kerry, protect their own otherwise taxable income through trusts and offshore accounts. Obviously, any American who believes higher taxes are a good thing can do the honorable thing by spurning all deductions and paying Uncle Sam everything up to 100% of his income.

Step #4: Even the most secular of liberals seems to believe that Jimmy Carter is a saint. The evidence for this seems to be that he has on occasion posed with a hammer in his hand at Habitant for Humanity building sites and is constantly walking around with a expression on his face that suggests he has just forgiven Pontius Pilate for betraying him. This is the same fellow, let us never forget, who called Yasser Arafat his good friend and who has accepted untold millions of dollars from Arab cut-throats, who ask nothing in return except that he go on insisting that there would be peace in the Middle East if only those darn Israelis would disappear from the face of the earth.

Step #5: Stop insisting that all wars are bad. It only makes you sound daft. Carrying signs that equate a U.S. president, any U.S. president, with Adolph Hitler is not only rude, but suggests you’re certifiably nuts. Every president has left office right on schedule. Aside from FDR, who just happened to get elected four times, not one of them has remained in office beyond eight years. On the other hand, Hitler ran Germany for 12 years and only death and the allied forces brought that to an end; Stalin ran the Soviet show for 31 years; while that hero of the left, Fidel Castro, held the reins, not to mention the whip, for about 50 years.

Step #6: Repeat after me, “Separation of church and state” exists nowhere in the Constitution. The first amendment does not require the removal of Christmas trees from the village green, the 10 Commandments from court house walls or “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance. All it does is forbid Congress from establishing a state religion, such as the Church of England, and anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar and, most likely, a card-carrying member of the ACLU.

Step #7: Stop using the word “big” as a pejorative. There is nothing intrinsically bad about big oil, big agriculture or big pharmaceuticals. Overall, they do a very good job of keeping our cars on the road, food on our tables and most of us over 50 alive and functioning. On the other hand, big government, which so many liberals simply adore, represents a usurpation of the allegedly inalienable rights of individuals. A quick perusal of the Constitution should convince you that beyond declaring war, forging treaties, overseeing patents, printing money, running the post office, collecting taxes and protecting our borders -- and a few other things that Washington doesn’t do at all well these days -- the federal government has very limited responsibilities.

Step #8: Acknowledge that the United Nations is, in the main, an aggregation of venal diplomats who live high off the hog in New York City while representing the most corrupt and vicious regimes in the history of the world. Only a fool or a diplomat would continue to suggest that this gang of well-dressed thugs possesses anything resembling moral authority.

Step #9: Do not keep insisting that at a time when nearly all the large scale evil in the world is being perpetrated by Muslims that racial profiling is anything but a sensible approach to airport security. During WWII, Swedish Americans were not suspected of performing espionage for the Axis powers and for a very good reason; namely, because they weren’t performing espionage for the Axis powers. These days, their Swedish American children and grandchildren are not suspected of trying to blow up airlines, but the smarmy bureaucrats insist on pretending that they’re every bit as likely to be up to mischief as a bunch of 25-year-old Osama bin Laden look-alikes from Yemen and Saudi Arabia.

Step #10: Stop trying to pretend that illegal aliens are the same as legal immigrants just so you can claim the moral high ground and accuse those of us who are opposed to open borders of being racists.

Step #11: Once and for all, stop forgiving murderers. Whether or not you’re in favor of capital punishment, only the victim of a crime has the right to grant forgiveness. And inasmuch as the killer has deprived his victim of that ability, don’t take it upon yourself. It doesn’t prove how compassionate you are, only that you’re as sanctimonious and as self-aggrandizing as, say, Jimmy Carter.

Step #12: Stop bashing the U.S. military and the Boy Scouts. The only reason you have the ability to shoot your mouth off is because men and women braver and better than you sacrificed life and limb for your right to do so. As for the Boy Scouts, they are absolutely right to keep homosexuals from taking youngsters on camping trips. While it’s true that many gays are perfectly fine people and that very few homosexuals are pedophiles, there’s no reason on earth to take unnecessary risks just so we can all prove how broadminded we are. For what it’s worth, as decent as most Catholic priests are, I wouldn’t let them take youngsters into the woods, either. It’s fine to be compassionate and understanding, but let the gays among us be understanding for a change and acknowledge that, every so often, commonsense should trump political correctness.

And, finally, making this a baker’s dozen, Step #13: Let us all agree that while being a woman, a black, a Jew, a Catholic, a Mormon or even a gay, for that matter, should in no way preclude anyone from being elected president of the United States, none of those things constitutes a very good reason to vote for someone.

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Bob
In general I'm in agreement, but...

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Clinton's $124 Billion Defense Increase Jeopardizes Social Security, Medicare

"Islamic terrorism" helps justify defense spending

Who was Prez in 1999? I had a problem with every increase by Clinton because he was pandering to the cries from the military complex, except this one that targeted Islamic terrorism. Kinda make the Con arguments about Clinton-Military-terrorism hard to grasp. Go figure.

Yes, both parties raise taxes (read his lying lips... no new taxes-man did because he knew he had to) with the exception of Bush II who halted a growing economy by giving money back in a time of war. Idiot.

And yes, both parties need to curb spending, especially when the money is shoveled to KBR/Haliburton who lose and waste billions every month. I'd rather we take our chances with the "welfare queens" (Raygun was proven wrong and very rude on this point) than KBR.

Burt's lie #2
I'll be back to #1 in a minute.

Affirmative action never was premised on the belief that blacks are intellectually inferior to whites. It was always premised on the basis of the existence of a social structure that first of all assumed the inferiority of people of African descent and kept them in a state of third class citizens, perpetuated a way of life that prevented them from having the experiences and education to be at home in a white society and finally actively discriminated against them in oh so many ways.

inthemajority
Democrats always raise taxes. It is not something that began with a republican congress. The last democrat I can remember to lower taxes was JFK. And he did that leading up to a war in Vietnam. Yes, republicans spend too much. So do democrats. I can not remember the last time either party actually cut a government program.

The left cuts the military whenever they can which is ironic since it is one of the main things government is supposed to pay for.


What Burt thinks.
Burt sez: this is what Liberal think. So we now know what Burt thinks Liberals think, but that is not what most (or any) Liberal thinks. For example, I think all Cons hate the troops and want them in harms way because they like this occupation you call a war. Why do you hate the troops so much?

Step #1: It is high time that every American be guaranteed the right to speak freely. -- Of course. I wonder who disagrees with that? I know a few Righties who think only Cons have that right, but besides those few, who is Burt talking about? I'm willing to bet he doesn't even understand the right anyway.

Step #2: Affirmative action argues that African Americans and Latinos are intellectually inferior... -- Nope. I'm guessing Burt really thinks this, but other than him and a few extreme Righties, this is not stated or inferred. I do recall that only bigots bring this issue up in the manner.

Step #3: Liberals always claim to be in favor of higher taxes... -- Ut oh, Burty. Speaking for others again, are we? Liberals are in favor of lowering taxes, but wise enough to know you have to ante-up to pay for Republican spending. Bush far outspends all other presidents, the Republican led congress under Bush far outspent any other, and somebody has to pay for their spree. Nope, we don't want to pay more, but we do tend to pay off our credit cards. (psst, how's the Bush economy Burt? Are you writing for TH to pay for lunch?)

Step #5: Stop insisting that all wars are bad -- This war is bad. Period. Nothing good about it unless you are a war profiteer. Poorly managed, no exit strategy, etc. I'm for fast, decisive, exit strategy wars with clear reasons to even begin... you remember those, don't you? Of course not, because Clinton was Prez.

Step #12: Stop bashing the U.S. military and the Boy Scouts. -- Sure, calling this mess a mess is bashing. Burt is being intellectually dishonest.. again.

Burt, you really need to get some sleep.


Ofcourse compassionate "conservatives"
........love to talk about how there is no church and state separation until we starting having Koran in all swearing in ceremonies or when prophet Mohammad's teaching are on the walls of courts, and other government buildings across the US. First of all forget Islamic teachings etc., the moment there are full fledged teaching of Judaism that is enough for the racist/bigoted tendencies to come out. There is no BDS for progressives, but I can tell you one thing, Bush is deranged person.

The Republican party, and the term conservatives were synonymous with great intellectual thinking, until people switched sides for the most part after the 60's civil right laws. The GOP turned into an party which provided refuge for the(most part) worst of humanity from racists, bigoted to the ultra-nationalists. People like Ron Paul are called anti-American, or crazy because he thinks the Military Industrial Complex has a strangle hold on the foreign policy of the United States. Of course, even if Eisenhower talks about the dangers of just a collision between government, and the arms industry, it will fall into deaf ears, because of ultra-nationalistic feelings being stocked. The Chinese, Russians etc are laughing all the way to the bank, because of the "War on Terror", and the huge amount of debt mounting due to the occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan ec. Much of the world is against terrorism, even the much of the Islamic/Muslim world that you loathe as well, but you "conservatives" are so close minded to realize that.

p.s.
Jesus is apolitical.

I'm shocked.
Whenever I read one of Burt's excellent, plain-spoken editorials, I'm always shocked when someone like Zippa D. Doodah gets all frothy-mouthed in opposition. How can he not see the obvious common sense truth of Burt's arguments?

I'm scratchin' my head here.

Anne writes: @ 9:33 pm
That could be because the afore mentioned is a fob, a lounge lizard, or a hanger-on. He only hangs on to what he wants to, which at this point nobody knows OR CARES what that is!

A fob is also a Yankee Doodle dandee, which I'm sure he thinks he is and fob is a synonym for "macaroni." I can only allow you to let your imagination wander w/that one, but don't puke, please.

My favorite is lounge lizard and since he/she seems to be constantly ON TH, I'll stick by that name, it is so apropos! Have a wonderful weekend Anne!

Speaking as a liberal
Speaking as a liberal, I agree with some of the points (though not all of them).

I think you do a good job of addressing the more extreme (read:dumb/popular/cultural-not-intellecutal) ideas that a lot of libs hold. That being said, a lot of conservatives hold a lot of views I disagree with for a lot of reasons that I really disagree with.

That being said, props for not pissing off the dirty lib (I read conservapedia for chuckles)

Cheers,

Liberal dude who still disagrees with a good portion of y'alls political ideas.

Great Job
Well said, Burt. This is a great article designed to help liberate liberals from Liberal Myths!

Wobbie/HalD
Are you still alert enough to list the Naval Ordinance Color Codes?

I think you are so drunk you have wet your pants.
You certainly can't walk a straight line with that keyboard!



Don't pick your nose Hal/Wobbie.
Don't eat that, it's NASTY!

Robert:
FOADESABATM.

Well
It's late, and tomorrow is going to be busy, so I'm off to bed. I'll be back tomorrow late. Y'all have a good evening, except RJS. You can go to hell as far as I am Concerned.

Correction
Should read: Four: I doubt seriously you could pistol whip a first grader intelllectually.


Robert
One: I'm still in complete control of all my mental faculties.

Two: Unlike you, I wil admit when I make a mistake.

Three: I don't make wildly unprovable claims as do you.

Four: I doubt seriously you could pistol a first grader intelllectually.

Fifth: You can neither spell nor use grammatical rules correctly.

Sixth: You intellectual prowess is not near what you think it is.

Seventh: You are still too dumb to realize that most posters here think that you are a contemptible low life.

Eighth: You still need to read to read both the Constitution and the Posse Comitatus Act.

Ninth: You are not as smart as you think you are.

Tenth: You are still an arrogant, smug, conceited, overbearing, self-important a$$.


Unca Alby
There must be more to it than anomnity.
That makes it easier BUT;
Can you even GUESS at the number of times you have seen a Liberal jump to the bottom of a thread, 1st insult the Author, then insult the last Conservative to post?

lumberjack: wobbie just gets more

irrational and incoherent with every post.

One of the sure signs of mental and emotional deterioration.

Robert Writes Incoherently
Lumberjack the first sign of
Lumberjack7392 writes: Friday, March, 07, 2008 10:23 PM ...

mental problems is when you cant get someone's name correct. I use to think that it was just childishness on your part, but you are old right?

That could be the mental gig...

Robert

I may be a little older than you, but I have never made the wildly extravagant claims that have no offered proof, that you have. These claims are made within minutes of someone stating their personal experiences. I have never been an arrogant, smug, conceited, overbearing, a@@ who has an "Anything you have done or are currently doung, or will do, I have done, am doing, or will do better than you attitude," and is too stupid to realize that he is held in complete, total, absolute, utter, unrelenting contempt by the conservative posters here.

BTW, you still need to read both the Constitution and the Posse Comitatus Act.

Hal D / Wobbie
Caught ya again. The post wasn't even addressed to you. I thought Hal went out for a drink?

Ron... yeah, I know. But Sam is not

worth the time or energy..

Thanks. :-)

Missed you at Jack's Place tonight.








TomLibertarian - - - Anonymity
"I wonder if its the relative anonymity of blogs that promotes such vicious and juvenile behavior."

Yes.

Burt even had an article about that some months back. Check the archives.

Somebody seems to be drinking while ...
Posting...
Wobbie...say good night and sleep it off :)

Rockhead J. Squrrel Scribbles:
Armistead preferred being called Lo not Lou.
...

to your imaginary friend...I cannot let this go by

you are in no position to call General Armistead by his prefered name...Jubal Early probably was (since the head over the plate incident no doubt) but you are not.

go read The Constitution some more...your demonstrated lack of knowledge probably still exist.

Robert

Rockhead: I admitted my error. You have never admitted that you don't know the difference between what's in the Constitution and what's in the Posse Comitatus Act. Go read both, you a$$.

BTW: You are in no position to call any figure past or present by their preferred name.

Hal Donahue
You know General Armistead about as well as I know Osama bin Laden.

Sam..
You are just pathetic...
Anne owns you :)

Sam
Your juvenile name calling the best you can do?
You little boys better stay away from Nancy or she will will give you away as a party favor;
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with -young.html

lol
just when i try to say its good to debate, Sam comes on and says something like that...i tell ya

Anne
I remember the Bay Of Pigs!! But of course,I only knew what I heard on the news,and even then ,they could not be trusted. They protected JFK from any kind of scrutiny and only in the last few years have we finally got a clearer picture of him and his presidency.-------------
I notice the press is already trying to bait McCain into losing his temper.Elisabeth Bumiller kept pushing,but he didn't bite....this time.It will happen,though.They will see to it.The first one to get him on camera ,blowing up, will get, at least, a hi-five.

Tom
wow, i guess you aren't open to hearing others points of view? not wanting to educate yourself? I mean, I don't agree with >95% of what the libs say, but every once in a while, they make some sense. And I am better for it. So, I guess you are a what? Putin sort of guy?

sophie
I guess she didn't want to answer my other questions

HalD...name one country we would want to model our country like? If any i would say the swiss on their gun laws and military training for their population. What does it matter who else does? The death sentence is a better deterrent of crime than the minimum punishment most criminals get in the liberal states.

Heck a friend of my moms son got shot in the back hitting his spinal cord...punishment for the shooter? out in 18 months...is that justice? Forget about it! I say in a case like that, if the victim says the person stays in prison, they stay in prison. Since he didn't kill anyone, no death there...if he murdered the guy, then i would push towards it.

Many criminals know our justice department is probably more partial to them than the victims, they aren't afraid to go into prison...they will get cable and 3 meals. Some people make a life of staying in prison, something is definitely wrong when a person wants to stay in prison.

TomLibertarian writes: "All I can hope

is that all your votes cancel each other out on election day."

Why? What's your point? So ronpaul will be elected?


:-)








Well, Tomlibertarian,
it's a jungle out here! You are right about that part. But I am an omnivore so I like it.

You are wasting your time.
These thread "debates" make me lose all faith in democracy. Honestly, scrolling this screamfest, I find a few persistent themes (on both the left and right).

1) Constant namecalling
2) Both sides mischaracterizing the others' views
3) Loopy conspiracy theories, paranoia and fringe ideas
4) A stunning inability to get the even the basic facts of the issues right.

I wonder if its the relative anonymity of blogs that promotes such vicious and juvenile behavior. Either way, none of you are going to persuade each other with insults or silly "gotcha" comrbacks, so I don't see the point spending your days screaming at each other. Is this what you need to feel good about yourselves? All I can hope is that all your votes cancel each other out on election day.


ROBERT
Have you found that sheet yet

you know the one where your buddie HALD left you with the holes in it.

Why havent you and HALD responded to Chuck,Gunny,SSGt about the KKK concentration camps.

MCSHAME is your hero by what Ive read on here lately.

I just think that you are playing a game with these folks and thats what I expect from you.


you are a conservative in a lib body. you ought to be ashame for perpretating a falsehood.

Rowly: How right you are!!!!

wobbie is so ignorant that he actually thinks he knows everything...

The problem is, TH is an OPEN forum, so you never know who some posters know...and what information they have....

Funny thing is, my son in law JUST happened to be one of the lead designers on the new wing of the Eisenhower Library.. a few years ago... and did a lot of research... and happened to see documentation about Eisenhower and JFK about the Bay of Pigs.

AND, it also just so happens that Julie and David Eisenhower are neighbors... living in the next town, and our kids grew up together, and we went to the same parish for 20yrs.

We've TALKED!


Anne
Is it not comical that some liberals just will NOT take the blame for ANYTHING? They want to rewrite history in their favor. I wonder if they even TRY to see the truth. As I have heard before...."they are intitled to their own opinions,but not their own facts"....

wobbie's 9:48AM post..."JFK's only

mistake in the BOP was to let it happen...he was talked into it mostly by former IKE CIA people."


wobbie is SUCH an idiot... The fact is, Eisenhower himself went quiety, and under the radar, to the WH and BEGGED JFK NOT to go ahead with the Bay of Pigs....


Unlike, however, Carter and any other liberal ex-pres. who can't keep their mouths quiet.

Eisenhower and the Republican past presidents, all had class.



Higene
Maybe a little "hygiene" of the mind would help.Maybe clean out all the dark corners. Talk about weird thoughts.You must be proud,though,to share them....................................
Point #5.. about wars.Every war we have been involved in was started by a Democrat and ended by a Republican,except this one. This one will never end.It will be fought somewhere until we are under Sharia law. Better it be there than here. It may take years,but that is where this is heading,I'm afraid.

I hope you're
flattered Burt. The comments to your colum is approching Malkin and Coulter standards. I think you must have hit some tender spots! They just can't handle the truth!

Higene you might...
want to note that the writers name is Burt (since he is one of your favs), not Bert. Also he made 13 points, not 12. Lastly, Burt was right and you are wrong on all.

Lumberjack: Excellent point!


I stand corrected.



Anne writes:
halD's "... 100 veterans who are ALL

Democrats."

Most likely, that means BOTH of his friends... :-)


Aren't you overstating the number of his friends by about 12?

halD's "... 100 veterans who are ALL

Democrats."

Most likely, that means BOTH of his friends... :-)

Correction
should read it's not its

Rockhead J. Squirrel
shows his ignorance of history, and usual bad spelling.

Hal...what most dont recognize
...about "Lou Armistead's" charge is that Addison almost made it. Lee/PIckett etc would only committ 5 brigades and had he committed more, history might have changed.


Armistead preferred being called Lo not Lou. Additionally, Armistead died of wouunds received during the charge. And its COMMIT not COMMITT

Anne
That is not two guys.
That is HalD (AKA Wobbie)
Talking to himself.
And Capt. Wobbie of the Wal*mart Navy, (AKA HalD)
Talking to himself.

I always wondered why they seemed to both be loonie toons in the exact same wording.

Oh geeze... the two vapid, deficient,

brainless, simpletons are trying to have a conversation....

I say, leave them alone... it should be good for a few laughs... IF you have nothing better to do, that is. LOL







have fun Hal
Don't let the door smack you on the @ss on the way out.

Folks
Have a great weekend. I am off to have a few libations with a few 100 veterans who are ALL Democrats.

HalD/Wobbie
So you are one of the sissyfied twits who is against Capitol Punisment?

Well yeh, it figures. You probably get upset over terrorists being forced to wear ladies panties over their heads.

These guys wear ladies undies and you don't make a peep of protest;
http://www.americansfortruth.com/news/does-nancy-pelosi-con done-manboy-sex-if-the-man-is-a-democrat.html

Oh yeh, You don't need to keep switching names anymore.
Everyone knows you are Captain Wobbie of the Wal*Mart Navy!

Robert
"..There is a political lesson here. "

Overwhelming force works and husbanded reserves are worthless? You know like runway behind you and altitude above you

Burt, you baited a good hook!
But all we can catch with it is Liberal Suckers!

It is amusing to watch them twist & flip around on the deck though while trying to pick nits with the article.



Robert
"We are entering the hand to hand part of Armisted's charge. "

Possible but I think not....we should know right after PA if that long

sheepdog writes:
You wouldn't know what the truth was if it was standing right next to you. Your definition of truth is telling a lie so many times till someone is gullible to believe it

sheepdog: Both Hal Doofus and Rockhead J. Squirrel have a great deal of respect for the truth, that's why they use it so seldom.

CKHustler
...how about a murder?"

How many free country still have capital punishment? Which ones are they?

will scribbles IN CRAYON

Nothing of importance, as usual, again.

Ladies and Gentleman
Sluts and slutters alike
Please join me in welcoming the newest employee of 50 cent night here at the Purple P!mp Palace,
WILL!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.


Sophie, Immortal.../Hustler
"And if you think the regulated makes it socialism, perhaps you are unaware that we have not had pure unadulterated capitalism in over 100 years.... "

And when we did it lasted around 50 years because it was a disaster. I just keep asking them what the definition of socialism is... It is like amnesty. Now amnesty is ok for the telephone companies... In their topsy turvy world who can tell what is next.. I just keep seeing myopine clicking the heels of his red sequined slippers....

Hmmmmm
I "Wonder" if Sophie might be one of Wobbie's "girls". She fawns over him the way he was fawning over them the other night....you know, going on and on about how he likes to see the "young ladies" dress up in their leather skirts and 4-inch heels...Question is, is she Candy, or Muffin?

Go ahead and get mad again, Wobbie....I can't help the predicament you're in with that one. Shows you're either a liar or a pervert. Perhaps both.

Will....Will....so funny. It's cute, really, your little vision of conservatives. Oops! There I go being "heard" again! Hope the Mister doesn't hear, Lordy he flies into a rage when I get involved in politics!!!

Sophie
and you still didn't answer my other two questions.

Sophielesion
Hey don't blame me, talk to your boss about you and your donkey's overburden schedule at wobbie's Purple P!mp Palace!

Master and Commander
Master and Commander
Clean up in the Grand Hallway of the Purple P!mp Palace!
Sophie’s donkey had an accident AGAIN!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

Robert
I am watching the great interest. I think it is sinking in to all concerned that the numbers are not there for anyone... The poor super delegets are going crazy

Ahhhh
sheepdog writes: Friday, March, 07, 2008 4:16 PM

"You wouldn't know what the truth was if it was standing right next to you. Your definition of truth is telling a lie so many times till someone is gullible to believe it "

I woke the doggie up - sorry LOL
Lies? Because I suggest you folks read a dictionary and if you cannot read it go to a decent school?

lets see then
sophie...

would you agree to 20% taxes for all?

how about a murder? if convicted should he not be able to waste our taxpayers money and appeal and appeal while wasting more money in prison instead of being sentenced to death, which would save an untold amount of money if done everywhere. With current technology not very many people are wrongly convicted.

Should a Christian girl be able to bring her bible to school and read it? Should she be able to try and spread the word?

Sophie
Never mind MyOpine. He calls lots of people "fringe" or far left who take different opinions. Just part of his schtick (just like Doc say, "Wobbie scribbles..." or "Will scribbles..." or "Mellor scribbles..."; "scribbles" is Doc's way of feeling superior, part of his schtick).

You have a wild streak in you that I appreciate. Conservatives appreciate "wild streaks" in women much less. It's that "traditional roles" thing they're constantly lugging around. Goes back to Adam & Eve for the socials. Women are mothers/whores. Cons rarely respect strong independant women. Especially lesbians (not saying you're a lesbian). But the whole totally equal independant woman thing does not fly too well in conservative circles. To conservatives 50 years ago, women, like children, were seen & not heard. Their rancor at gays & feminists is part of the whole changing social structure, along with independant women, unmarried women, women who never plan to marry but have children on their own. They long for the 1950's. Everything would be perfect if they could just turn back the clock....

Anyway, some of us appreciate your independence & freeness, Sophie.

HalD writes
"Burt can certainly wind them up with his half truths and other nonsense. Amusing to watch"

You wouldn't know what the truth was if it was standing right next to you. Your definition of truth is telling a lie so many times till someone is gullible to believe it

Sophie, Immortal...
"liar"
"fool"
"arrogant idiot"
"sanctimonious"
"self aggrandizing"

You only scanned through the article didn't you.
Ok then one at a time.

"liar"
Are you saying that “Separation of church and state” is in the constitution or that the person that is telling you it is isn't lying to you? I guess they could be just stupid on the matter. Or are you saying that the 1st amendment doesn't "forbid Congress from establishing a state religion"

"Fool"
"Only a fool or a diplomat would continue to suggest that this gang of well-dressed thugs possesses anything resembling moral authority."
So the U.N. is a moral authority to you?

"arrogant idiot"
Obviously you didn't read or maybe comprehend this - "At the same time, they must not construe the conservative’s right to dismiss them as arrogant idiots as censorship."
WHO is being dismissed as "arrogant idiots"?

"sanctimonious" and "self-aggrandizing"
I agree with you on this one however, he is talking about people who forgive murderers to prove their compassion and moral superiority and in the process disregarding the victim. ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE?

This may help you. You wrote:
"Are Nascar watching, pork skin eating, inbred rednecks."

So people are "pork skin eating, inbred rednecks." Because they watch NASCAR?

I will waste no more time with you.

Sophie
Regardless of what you try to claim you believe in by short wording like you just did. You do not believe in freedom or opportunity. Your socialist agenda is exactly against opportunity...it is for equality only. Opportunity be damned basically

MyOpine: Don't tell me that you even

bother to read or respond to psycho-sophie?

Oh, okay... I slammed wobbie, so I guess we're even... :-)

wobbie gives true idiots a bad name, and psycho-sophie give sluts a bad name... What can I say???



sophie
Tolerance...tolerance for what? obviously not christianity!

Freedom-by higher taxes?

Opportunity-by higher taxes?

Justice-by lowering the punishment for criminals?

Need some explanations there please!

Sophia with a thousand names(Communist)
At least your new job is a step up from being a professional Babysitter in a day care center.

If you keep track of your own innuendo there will be less confusion.
Are you going to change occupation with each new name now?

AND;
You accuse Anne of being picturesque?
Tell us about your pornographic tour of Europe in an $80,000 sports car.

I missed that one!

LMAO
Burt can certainly wind them up with his half truths and other nonsense. Amusing to watch

Sophielesion scribbles:
inbred rednecks?

Even that would be better than working two on one, with your first cousin at Da Purple P!mp Palace!
If you charged $1.00 a toss, after all night, you and wobbie together could not make change for a five!

Paging Sophia and her trained donkey
Paging Sophia and her trained donkey
Please report to the velvet room here at the Purple P!mp Palace!
wobbie is waiting!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

Sophia with a thousand names(Communist)
You can call yourself;
Progressive
Socialist
Liberal
New Democrat
New Left
Democratic Socialist
Any euphemism that pleases you to cower behind but the generic term is still Communist!
A rose by any name?
And a Rose clenched in a fist?

You pick your own companions.
YOU ARE A COMMUNIST!

sophie
lets hear a short bit of what you stand for then? ill compare to commie

RockyMtRick
What part of;
"Congress shall make no law"
do you interpret to mean we have some Federal law against religious displays?

WobbieDaWonderJetPilot scribbles:
The ones who say "Clinton should have done more to stop AQ and OBL" are the very ones who are/were against him doing anything in Bosnia/Kosovo..kind of strange

No You are strange. Was it not the Muslims there we were trying to keep from genocide?
HEY WOBBIEDAWONDERJETPILOT, YOU EVER ANSWER TAIL2LONG .MIL ADDY YET, ? DIDN’T THINK SO. TWIT.

Master and Commander
Master and Commander
Clean up in wobbie’s bedroom of the Purple P!mp Palace!
Wobbie shat himself again!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

rlib
i will say, though you are lost in the dark ;), you are open to debate. You are a pleasure to have here because I read here for both sides. It educates me on how both sides think.

Sophie...you are a commy haha! you have earned it by posting such ridiculous posts...i just read over them now.

One thing I will say about economics...there is a time for some democrat policies, I believe FDR did the best he could at that time, but as soon as the war was over it should have been removed. Free-market will always out produce socialism or regulated free-market, but the hard times will be harder in Free-market. What our government needs to learn is that they can help us through the low times and keep them easier, but get out of the way during all other times.

Sophia with a thousand names(Communist)
This is the THIRD TIME you have changed occupations on me!

And we have gone over this before.
Your leaders are Progressives. (AKA Communists!)
These are your leaders;
http://cpc.lee.house.gov/index.cfm?ContentID=166&ParentID=0 &SectionID=4&SectionTree=4&Ink=b&ItemID=164

THIS is your Agenda;
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

AND this is who OWNS you;
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/7/1/19110 0.shtml?s=lh

AND these are your associates;
http://www.urbanconservative.com/2007/02/24/what-does-the-a clu-nambla-and-child-porn-have-in-common/

AND as I told you before, Lenin described those who unknowingly parrot words on behalf of Communism as "Useful Idiots". The words of your own idol, not mine!

Burt: I apologize for my posts to Robert

He is just a slimy, offensive, ignorant, pathetic, liar who has been booted out of TH numerous times... and refuses to get the hint!


Robert writes: "i always find the Bush

apologist"

Well, we always find YOU obnoxious and ignorant, not to mention a pathological liar!






Sophie, Immortal...
"How so different?"

Well, First where does Burt call people names?
Such as "inbred rednecks", "bible thumping hypocrites", "chicken hawk war-mongering imperialists" etc...

Burt was discussing liberal policies and actions.

Regarding Step 6
Any government bias toward a specific religious belief implies governmental support of a religion. There is little constitutional difference between “establishing” something new and directly supporting an already existing faith; either path excludes some segment of the population. Equal treatment requires a blind eye to the chosen and un-chosen factors that make us different. Religion is no different than race, color or sex when measuring governmental bias.

We, as “discriminating” (thinking) individuals, can take all those things into consideration. We talk about gender and color as discriminators; we talk about potential Muslim influence; we talked about whether being a Mormon should be a valid debating point. These are all personal--not governmental--decision points.

The measure of “Step 6” is whether government participated in religious expression or merely allowed the free expression of its citizens. Government participation is constitutionally prohibited; our individual freedom is constitutionally protected.

As a practical matter, spending tax dollars on religious displays or events is a violation of the “common good” our governments are created to provide. It is no more valid or constitutional than housing, feeding or medical care for selected citizens. Selecting portions of the Constitution to implement or ignore invalidates the foundation of our country.

Wobbie
9/11 happened on Bushs watch, Yea that sure is a shame since your boy Clinton should have taken him out long before 9/11 when he had all those opportunities.

Typical LIB spew as usual

Hald bring me my MCSHAMEMOBILE i mad now. Wobbie

Sophia with a thousand names(Communist)
YOU are the Progressive fringe.
I have shown you who your leaders are, their Agenda and that George Soros BOUGHT AND PAID FOR YOU!

If you Progressives are the majority then why is there the great need for stuffing ballot boxes, voting early & often, voting posthumously and cutting tires on Republican vehicles so they can't get to the polls to vote?
What is your compulsion for lies?

Yes, COMPULSION TO LIE!
You progressives IGNORE real things Bush does wrong, like this;
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55925

and THIS!
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=403d90d6-7a 61-41ac-8cef-902a1d14879d&k=14984
THIS violates TWO sections of our Constitution!

You ignore truth and constantaly attack Bush with FICTION!

Do you Socialists have some kind of alurgy to TRUTH?

As to Progressives being the majority? More fiction!

Robert: YOU are the one who doesn't

understand ANYTHING.... and I do mean ANYTHING!

HOW DARE YOU??? "Michelle "Ching Ching" Malkin would say..."

You're a disgusting slime bag.....



Wobbie
Have you gotten over Bush backing your man MCSHAME yet. I see where HALD has been shaken up so bad that he is using your call sign when signing off


By the way did you find HALD sheet with the holes in it becuase we are still waiting for his response to the KKK concentration camps. Im sure you two have discussed this topic before.

RL...just like a lib
Wouldn't you know, YOU inaccurately quote a source that YOU first sited. I found the actual info and posted it. Yet, here you are never admitting to what you did. Do the words disingenuous, dishonest ring a bell? How liberal of you. Or pardon me, you may have never actually read to entire report. When it was in actuality you, who wanted to seize on the opportunity of supposed moral superiority. It didn't work. BTW, here's the text, anyone with google search could actually find. What was that you were saying about morality?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

And so as not to answer another deflective question skim down about half way to find the actual variation in divorce rate by religion table.

Sophie who thinks shes immotal
Just scared little sheep huh check out this site


http://standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/Terrorist_Cells.html


and coming to a theatre near you.

catscratchfever
i reviewed the survey again and your results were not there. why did you not provide a link?

implied in many of burts points is a lack of morality which i disagree with.

here is another link to read.


http://www.wanderingheretic.com/2007/08/15/a-prophetic-mess age-for-evangelicals/#more-274

Sophie, Immortal
YAWN

If you cannot tell the difference between what you did and what Burt did...

JUST GO AWAY

Not worth the time.

RL
Here's another sampling of statistics from the poll:

Variation in divorce rates by religion:

Religion % have been divorced
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists/Agnostics 21%

Well, first your opening says "evangellicals (sic) have the highest divorce rate," Clearly not an accurate representation of the divorce rates listed on this web page . When in actuallity according to this poll "Jews" have the highest divorce rates. O course he eveidently didn't even bother with Islamic sects. Burt's article didn't say anything about morality, it's about the nonsensical, lethal idiocy and policies of most liberals. You claim the name...welcome the shame.



religiouslib
I just wish that you could find the mess on the left, as much as we decry the fools on the right. And for the most part, we demand their jobs when needed. You could go a long way in doing the same for your side of the isle.

Burt
does this mean that zapdoodat needs to make a retraction of his posts on #6 in your article. Somehow I do not think the nut will.

under god guy not a lib.....
As Doctor evil would say ...Riiggghhhhtttt! Religous lib wrote "the guy who sued to get "under God " out of the pledge of allegiance was called a liberal but the guy had no political affliation and most of what he was doing was getting back at his wife over a divorce. liberals get blamed over and over by the conservaative media for things that are not liberal issues."

Religous Lib - I will guarantee you 1 million percent this guy is a liberal no matter what he calls himself. It is a historical trait for liberals who don't like something in their life or in the world to try to screw up things for everyone else. In his case, "I hate my wife so everyone else has to suffer." Don't you think a little prep H in the toothpaste tube would have been easier on everyone? Just a thought.

Hey Burt
we just thought you were trying to keep us on our toes!
hahaha


Folks
I just put my Intel analyst profession into use on the ins and outs of Wobbie V HalD.

In the short three minutes that I have invested into this analysis, I would have all note the use of

...


In three seperate posts on the Will's thread yesterday, you will note the use of "..." from both wobbie and the Doofus. Its pretty clear now with about 99.9% accuracy, that they are one in the same. Even in intel, there is no such thing as 100%. Its all probably, possibly, may have etal...

ssgt-sheepdog and lolo
thanks for the positive comments.

i respect the fact that you are reasonable enough to hear another perspective and not want to shut the dialogue down.

have a wonderful weekend.

The Writer's Mea Culpa
Dear Readers: I just want to thank all of you who wrote to me this morning to point out that I had inadvertently written "second amendment" when I obviously meant the first in Step #6. I quickly sent a correction to the good folks who run the website and, as you see, they made the correction. I can only assume I must have been wearing my NRA baseball cap when I wrote the piece.

Regards, Burt Prelutsky

BOOKMARK PLEASE THIS
This is HILARIOUS ROFLMAO

MYOPINE caught this. (MUST give him credit)

HAL D was reciting his typical bs. After a few minutes Robert would respond to HAL D. This went back and forth awhile WHEN.

HAL D/ROBERT Forgot he was posting as HAL D and signed his post as Robert. HAHAHAHAHAHA

PLEASE for now on whenever that person signs on as HAL D or Robert. Beat them over the head with this link and what pathetic liars they must be.

George Will Article
Thursday, March, 06, 2008 9:24 PM
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2008/03/06/fd rs_young_admirer?page=full&comments=true

Cold Hard Truth
9:24 pm!!! on Will's thread. You can get it on the home page!

Its classic!










Robert

catscratachfever
excuse me
if you want to accuse me of something then produce some proof.

here is the link to the barna survey.
http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=BarnaUpdate&BarnaUp dateID=95

as far as why i included this

because liberals are stereotyped by writers like burt and sometimes it is necessary to remind some conservatives that they hold no franchise on morality.

My Opine
HalD=wobbie?!!!!

Now that explains a lot!

RL the usual bait & switch...
Too bad the "selected" text you posted is not really an accurate reprentation of the Barna poll, but you knew that. Also, as with all polls, accuracy and reality aren't always a part of them. Given all that what does any of that have to do with Burt's article?

myopine
I ran him off an earlier web when he was busting on OLLIE NORTH and how an officer in the military should go to jail for lying to Congress.

So I confronted him about his HERO JOHN EFFIN KERRY and his lying to Congress about his HEROICS/BS in NAM and asked should he be put in the same jail cell as OLLIE.

Havent heard from him yet today. I also asked him if he had found them KKK Concentration Camps that he told GunnyG and I about before.

Wobbie: Doofus where are you, looking for your sheet with the holes in it. wobbie


Cold Hard Truth
I think it was Will's thread.

stedes
No, republicans are perceived as such out of the ignorance of liberal people such as yourself. The ones who listen and believe the fiction, myths, misrepresention, outright lies perpetuated chronically and incesstanly by the fraudulent liberal agenda driven media.

Wobbie
MyOpine wrote:
"You guys all aware HalD screwed up last night, forgot what name he was posting under and signed off at the bottom as "Robert"?"

What thread was that on? I gotta see this for myself!

Curtal Friar
Please see my comment about your latest blog.

Curtal Friar
Hi!!

Yes, I'm still here! Just reading your blog...

You have some admirers already!

GREAT Article Bert!
Each item is encountered every day here at TH.

___________________
GunnyG;
I am stealing your link to add to my Kerry collection.

You guys all aware HalD screwed up last night, forgot what name he was posting under and signed off at the bottom as "Robert"?

We now call hime & Wobbie both; HalD/Wobbie

YLG
the "Panhandle Hook" has dumped 2" on us thus far since 10:30. If I ever get to meet albore, I'm gonna pull the globull warming outta him!

stedes
It is hard not to associate all Democrats with liberals.Almost all are one and the same,especially in the last several years.You may have a handful of liberals who claim too be Republican and a handful of Democrats who are conservative. However,they are the exception to the rule and do not go very far in the political game.--------
I do not need a history lesson on Southern Civil Rights. I lived it. Most of the Democrats were and still are "closet racists" As I remember, some of the worst riots against integration were in Boston.Ma.,the home of that old championship swimmer,Teddy Kennedy.
Demosthenes named the things "liberal Democrats" did.No one could have said it better.

Amendment Confusion
I'm sure you meant the First Amendment.

"Step #6: Repeat after me, “Separation of church and state” exists nowhere in the Constitution. The second amendment does not require the removal of Christmas trees from the village green, the 10 Commandments from court house walls or “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance. All it does is forbid Congress from establishing a state religion, such as the Church of England, and anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar and, most likely, a card-carrying member of the ACLU."

Curtal Friar
chill, there is another poster called Jackpine and when you click on his name, you can get to the chat room. I can't do it myself, or I would be there too. Someone will help you!

You hit everything...
on the head, Burt! I am not sure recovery is a possibility anytime soon though.

5 stars!

Lolo1
I'm still kinda new at this stuff, so go easy on me! :-)



Oh, Janet Reno????


WIKES! TIMES 1000

YLG
Hey, are you still here?

Chat
I have read various posts where some of you have referred to a Townhall Chat room.

I have looked about the website, but cannot find it.

I guess if it were a snake, I would already have been bitten.

Sigh

So, where do I find this chat room?

SSGT
As to inbreeding....eeek...doesn't come close!

More like an ick factor times 100!

religious lib
Also like I pointed out earlier....



ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!!!!

I know you aren't like the most rabid libs and for that I am grateful.

I think we both can agree that we must start from a place of reason. Trouble is the unreasonable have taken control of the Democratic party and has become an out of control beast.

stedes
Keep re-writing history since it is your only way of coping.

Southern Dems did not switch parties until Jimmy Carter messed it up big time. Reagan did it, not the CRA or LBJ.


GynnyG
inbreeding?

Just think "Helen Thomas".

eeek

religious lib
Dear actually your research is wrong. It was a rabbi as O'Reilly stated by not conservative. To me it is moot since he didn't get away with it.

Also as one that rants and rails against stereotyping be aware that Craig and Vitter are not all that conservative. That we punish our wrong do'ers yet I have as yet to see that from the left. They celebrate them. Notice we helped you vote out the majority of Republicans? You could not have done it without us. More than likely we will also help you elect a Dem to POTUS.

Pay attention to the rants against the RINO's and learn the difference between a Republican and a conservative. Learn it.Be aware that we know very well that there are no perfect people in this world, but none the less they should be held accountable. Vitter would have been gone already if Clinton hadn't lowered that bar. Craig...I am working on it! He has got to go!!!!

SSGT
I don't debate with rel lib but I'm firmly against cutting ANY Lib a break. Once you start with one, then it's another, then four more, and soon, you've got a lib infestation on your hands. Look at the Congress. GOP played nicey-nicey and now, we got a lib-commie by the name of Red Nanny running the show.


YLG
HAHA!

Lib moonbat inbreeding.

That explains the low IQ's.

chuck
hey chuck!

Think about cutting religiouslib a little break. He does try to play nice, here, for a lib.



catscratchfever & Rowly
Gentleman - With regard to CRA, you confuse Liberalism and conservatism with party affiliation.

At the time, Southern Democrates were racists. Most of the country was racist including Republicans and conservatives. It took the courage of a few liberals in the Democratic and Republican parties to pass the CRA.

After the passage of the 1964 CRA act, signed into law by LBJ, there was a massive defection of Southern conservatives from the Democratic to Republican parties.

This is why today the Republican party is associated with Southern racists.

So Rowley, your question to me was name one thing liberals did. You did not say name one thing Democrates did.

I think I answered your question.

GUNNY/YLG
BOTH.

confirmed

GunnyG
Mating, or inbreeding?

Just checking....

Chuck
YEOW! What a bunch of NUTS! This HAS to be the result of liberals mating.

GunnyG
When they start crying that there is no terrorist in this country I give them this

hhtp://standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/Terrorist_Cells.html


When they go to this site they never come back to me.

Religous lib

I have to admit that you are one of the few (well probably the only one on TH) liberals that has a sense of civilized debate even though most of the posters here on TH disagree with what you have to say. You are a very small minority among liberals when it comes to actually listening to what other peoples points of view are. Your post was well written but I have to agree with what Demosthenes writes in response to your previous post at 11:42

R-Lib...
Geoffrey Stone (whom you quote in "justification" of liberalism is a senior member of the ACLU adviosry board ... among many other idoiot passtimes. He, like the ACLU, speaks a good game, but in practice advances nothing but the cause of elitist bigotry.

religouslib
TOO BAD, you LIBS come on here and bash the right wing conservatives and the right wing Christians almost daily, and just like a WHINING BABY you dont want to be sterotyped.

WAAAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAA
then go away

religiouslib: Agreed
“Even more disturbing, perhaps, is that when those individuals experience a divorce many of them feel their community of faith provides rejection rather than support and healing.

Agreed. In this day and age of “men are bad & women are good”, the power behind many modern evangelical churchs is a group of morally-superior, “bible-thumping”, proselytizing women who use that their Christianity as a “get out of jail free card” in order to rationalize their own personal misbehavior. Said cloister also provides a support group to validate said behavior, e.g., divorce. Since women file for 70% of divorces (women trail lawyers invented “No Fault Divorce”), and in my experience the biggest hypocrites (e.g., adultery, paternity fraud, etc.) happen to be overtly evangelical women, I am not the least bit surprised by your statistics. Do you think that self-serving, dysfunctional female-chauvinists are solely concentrated on the Left?

Chuck
Whenever I ask Hal Dingbat about the below article, I can hear the gnashing and wailing from him over here.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0408,schanberg,51276,1.htm l

What's funny as hell is that he can't call it a right-wing paper!

joycey
and here is another liberal who is not a pacifist

please don't stereotype liberals

lolo1
good morning my friend lolo
hope you are doing well.
thank you for your comment.

whose actions are we talking about?

the past five years have not been good ones for conservatives in congress and their actions.

craig and vitter come to mind

i believe that conservative media (like burt) have done a superb job in convincing many conservatives that liberals are horrible vile people.

the way they do it is by taking the most extreme examples of liberalism and making the case that all liberals think that way.

couple of examples.

the christmas trees that were removed in the seattle airport 2 years ago was blamed by oreilly and others on liberals.
when i did research on it , it was a conservative orthodox rabbi who caused the stir.

the guy who sued to get "under God " out of the pledge of allegiance was called a liberal but the guy had no political affliation and most of what he was doing was getting back at his wife over a divorce.

liberals get blamed over and over by the conservaative media for things that are not liberal issues.







Big deal
zapdoodat writes: 1:20 AM
Step #2:
"Affirmative action argues that African Americans..."

How many people here think George Bush (43) got into Yale University and Harvard Business School based solely on his merits?

-------

I never wanted to go to Yale anyway.

Out of 300 million Americans, how many whites or blacks or purple went to Yale?

Who cares, Yale sucks

Primus54
Wow! Frobusto the Weak sure pulled a lib ASAP. (He cut and ran.)

I'd probably get a better debate from my 12yo son!

It's simply quite obvious that Frobusto is poisoned "fruit" fallen from the libstain tree. Gutless and stupid.

Joycey
"Ken not all Democrats are Liberals. I have yet to meet a liberal that isn't a pacifist."

How do you do?

Seriously, you need to get out more.

Ken
Dear Mr. Prelutsky, I'd vote for any true conservative. Have you got one handy. Ken not all Democrats are Liberals. I have yet to meet a liberal that isn't a pacifist.

stedes
Your list is very short and suspective.Republicans were for Civil Rights,especially in the south. Remember who integrated Little Rock schools.None other than IKE.Dem.GOv.Orville Faubus fought it till the last dog died. Dems.did not do that one alone,so scratch that one off your list. Almost all Democrats were against segregation.Almost every one of your short list pertains to discrimination of some kind. Is that all you are interested. The Voting Rights was no great thing.It gave some people who know nothing about our history the same right to vote as well-informed people....you failed...try again

religiouslib: Really?
“…liberals believe individuals should doubt their own truths and consider fairly and open-mindedly the truths of others. This is at the very heart of liberalism. Liberals understand, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once observed, that "time has upset many fighting faiths." Liberals are skeptical of censorship and celebrate free and open debate.”

Really? That’s why progressives who mischaracterize themselves as being “liberals” are all favor of “Hate-Speech” laws on college campuses or the “Fairness Doctrine” imposed on talk-radio in order to censor people who don’t agree w/ their liberal fascist ideology? You seem to be confusing modern day LIBERALs w/ “John S. Mill” Libertarians.

Here’s another quote:

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to learn that there are other views!”

William F. Buckley


evangellicals have highest divorce rate
A recent study by the Barna Research Group throws extreme doubt on these estimates. Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-DEC-21. 1 They had interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states. The margin of error is ±2 percentage points. The survey found:

11% of the adult population is currently divorced.
25% of adults have had at least one divorce during their lifetime.
Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience.

George Barna, president and founder of Barna Research Group, commented:

"While it may be alarming to discover that born again Christians are more likely than others to experience a divorce, that pattern has been in place for quite some time. Even more disturbing, perhaps, is that when those individuals experience a divorce many of them feel their community of faith provides rejection rather than support and healing. But the research also raises questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families. The ultimate responsibility for a marriage belongs to the husband and wife, but the high incidence of divorce within the Christian community challenges the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriages."


religiouslib: Really?
“…liberals believe individuals should doubt their own truths and consider fairly and open-mindedly the truths of others. This is at the very heart of liberalism. Liberals understand, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once observed, that "time has upset many fighting faiths." Liberals are skeptical of censorship and celebrate free and open debate.”

Really? That’s why progressives who mischaracterize themselves as being “liberals” are all favor of “Hate-Speech” laws on college campuses or the “Fairness Doctrine” imposed on talk-radio in order to censor people who don’t agree w/ their liberal fascist ideology? You seem to be confusing modern day LIBERALs w/ “John S. Mill” Libertarians.

Here’s another quote:

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to learn that there are other views!”

William F. Buckley


Hahahaha
The purpose of this article is not to reform liberals, but to perpetuate lies about what liberals want and think. It's red meat for the conservative sheep.

For example, Burt offers this advice to liberals: "Stop insisting that all wars are bad. It only makes you sound daft." Seriously, who is he talking to? All liberals are not pacifists; in fact, nost aren't. Most supported the war against Afghanistan, for example -- folks from Kos to Michael Moore to your run-of-the-mill liberal blogger. To simply assert otherwise, and then offer advice based on that premise, is why fewer and fewer people adhere to conservatism these days -- because it simply isn't reality-based.

So keep up the platitudes and deception, Burt. You are only marginalizing your own interests. Let the rest of the country (reality-based conservatives and reality-based liberals and reality-based moderates) work things out.

liberals and religion
Voters who went to church monthly split 50%-49% for Bush and Kerry. Those who go to church "occasionally" went for Kerry 53%-47%, while people who attend church weekly went for Bush 58%-41%. More important, 61% of Democrats pray daily, 59% are "certain" there's life after death, and most believe in God. The spiritual lives of Democrats are, statistically speaking, somewhat less based in houses of worship than those of Republicans but they are believers nonetheless.

religious lib
In regards to your 11:42 am post.


What liberals believe and what their actions are, are two different things.

Actions speak louder than words.

stedes: Really?
Really? Yes, look at all the great ideas introduced into mainstream society by “morally-superior” progressives:

Abortion
Affirmative action
“Alternative lifestyles”
Anti-Americanism
Assisted suicide
Denunciation of tradition
Distribution of condoms in K-12
Diversity (except viewpoint)
Euthanasia
Female m*sturbation workshops in universities
Fornication (as in subsidized)
Glorification of debauchery
Godless Marxism
"Hate" crimes laws
Hate for religion (except Islam)
Hate for those of faith (except Islamics and Islamic bombers)
High taxes
Homosexual special rights
Indoctrination of K-12 into Godless Marxism
Indoctrination of K-12 youth into homosexuality
Institutionalized sexism (refer to Affirmative Action)
Institutionalized racism (refer to Affirmative Action)
K-12 sex education
Misandry
Moral equivalency
Obliteration of God from the public square
Pedophilia (except by Catholic priests and Republicans)
Radical egalitarianism
Relativism
Same-sex "marriage"
Speech codes
The UN (and one-world government)
Tolerance of evil
Unlimited government
"Victimless" crimes

liberals believe
Liberals believe courts have a special responsibility to protect individual liberties. It is principally liberal judges and justices who have preserved and continue to preserve freedom of expression, individual privacy, freedom of religion and due process of law. (Conservative judges and justices more often wield judicial authority to protect property rights and the interests of corporations, commercial advertisers and the wealthy.)

Liberals believe government must protect the safety and security of the people, without unnecessarily sacrificing constitutional values. It is liberals who have demanded and continue to demand legal protections to avoid the conviction of innocent people in the criminal justice system, reasonable restraints on government surveillance of American citizens, and fair procedures to ensure that alleged enemy combatants are in fact enemy combatants. Liberals adhere to the view expressed by Brandeis some 80 years ago: "Those who won our independence ... did not exalt order at the cost of liberty."


Stedes cont.
6. I'm sure socialism solves all your problems, right? The USSR did such a glorious job of it, so why can't we? The bottom line is that we became an economic superpower in a very short amount of time based on capitalism. Don't like it? Move.

7. Pseudo-science? HAHAHAHA!!! This coming from someone who undoubtedly believes Al Gore is the pinnacle of scientific thought? Most scientists have embraced intelligent design completely free of political or religious pressure. Climate-change is a joke. And stem cells? Are you really still caught up on that? Tell me ONE thing that you can do with embryonic stem cells that hasn't been accomplished with adult stem cells.

8. You got something right here. People who are poor and lazy ARE the cause of their problems. Why should we subsidize that? Why should we enable them to be poor and lazy? Your skewed logic is what keeps them poor and lazy.

9. Deny it all you want, but there is a oral authority, and there is absolutism. Tell me one country in the world where murder is allowed? Why isn't it allowed somewhere if there is no true morality. Your stupid post-modern ideas of moral relativity are ridiculous. There are hundreds of different basis for morality, but there is no logical reason to suggest that there is no moral authority.


stedes
I most certainly can take it.

The problem is that you actually believe the fallacies that you posted.

The other problem is Burt touched a sore tooth with you and you know it. You know there is a lot of truth in that column most especially when you watch the news. I know there is just from living in liberal land.

Would I say all liberals are like that...NO! But another problem is that the majority of them are.

liberals believe
this is written by geoffrey stone- professor of law at university of Chicago



liberals believe individuals should doubt their own truths and consider fairly and open-mindedly the truths of others. This is at the very heart of liberalism. Liberals understand, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once observed, that "time has upset many fighting faiths." Liberals are skeptical of censorship and celebrate free and open debate.

Liberals believe "we the people" are the governors and not the subjects of government, and that government must treat each person with that in mind. It is liberals who have defended and continue to defend the freedom of the press to investigate and challenge the government, the protection of individual privacy from overbearing government monitoring, and the right of individuals to reproductive freedom. (Note that libertarians, often thought of as "conservatives," share this value with liberals.)

Liberals believe government must protect the safety and security of the people, for without such protection liberalism is impossible. This, of course, is less a tenet of liberalism than a reply to those who attack liberalism. The accusation that liberals are unwilling to protect the nation from internal and external dangers is false. Because liberals respect competing values, such as procedural fairness and individual dignity, they weigh more carefully particular exercises of government power (such as the use of secret evidence, hearsay and torture), but they are no less willing to use government authority in other forms (such as expanded police forces and international diplomacy) to protect the nation and its citizens.


stedes, you don't even know the...
...history of the CRA of 1964. Boy you are a textbook case of the ignorance of liberalism. The CRA of 1964 was voted AGAINST by nearly every single southern DEMOCRAP in Congress. It was PASSED in great part due to Senator Edward Dirksen a REPUBLICAN's assistant. Go away and read some history books. Not only do you live in denial, you're complete ignorance is on display.

religious lib
I wish there were more liberals like you not less.

Burt . . .
10,10,9.9,10,10 . . . ok, not perfect but dang close!

Stedes
Rowling said in the last several years.

Stedes
1. Tell all the immigrants, legal or otherwise, to stop thinking that America is the best country in the world as well. Why does American immigration far, far outweigh American emigration. I don't see hordes of Americans jumping the Chinese borders in the Gobi desert in hopes of getting all the benefits of China. I don't see Floridians trying to make rafts out of palm trees in the hopes of sailing safely to Cuba.

2. Who, then, is the source for good in the world? The UN? Sure, we make mistakes, no human, let alone nation, is infallible. American actions benefit more than they hurt, however, and those they hurt tend to be despots, authoritarians, and tyrants.

3. Just war theory is not an American, or a republican construct. What, in your mind, makes a war just? America uses its military to help others. Is it self-serving? Sure, sometimes it can be. But if we wanted to use our military unjustly, why haven't we take over Canada? Why haven't we nuked the ME to death and moved in for the oil? We have used our military to depose those who would rule over others.

4. They are and they are. GW was a gun-toting, God-fearing nut that decided to take on the British Empire. what better inspiration? =)

5. Don't get me started on the close-mindedness of liberals. In the school I teach in, you can celebrate your homosexualtiy, you can celebrate every Jewish holiday known to man, you can celebrate Kwanza, but if you mention Christmas, be prepared for a backlash like you've never seen. Liberals are the most close-minded people out there, they just know how to pander better than most as well. They need black, Jewish, and gay votes so who do you think they treat well?

zapdoodat: Space Program
Most Conservatives I know love the space program and think it is a great way to spend our nation's R&D dollars. Only Republicans talk about establishing a moon colony and going back to Mars. It a big-government program, doing the same thing over and over, and is a HUGE waste of money.
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Speaking as an engineer and applied scientist, those of you who likely have the word “ARTS” embossed on your degrees are completely ignorant of the fact that today’s post-industrial, information technology-based economy is based on technologies that were primarily derived from research & development associated with the U.S. space program. Unfortunately, the U.S. space program & associated research & development were severely curtailed in the 70’s in favor of funding the bottomless pit that is the welfare-industrial complex. The mostly-male American progressive income taxpayer base continues to fund a REAL failure of a war. The space program price tag is dwarfed by the 40 trillion dollars wasted on the ongoing pro-feminist “War on Poverty” since LBJ established his “Great Society” welfare-industrial complex over 40 years ago.

Then there’s the matter of evidence suggesting that all 5 mass extinctions in the last 550 million years were caused by extraterrestrial events. A manned space program focusing on self-sufficient lunar and Martian colonies could potentially prevent the extinction of humanity if another extraterrestrial event were to occur in the near future, e.g. collision w/ a Near Earth Orbit (NEO) asteroid.

zapdoodat: Space Program
"Most Conservatives I know love the space program and think it is a great way to spend our nation's R&D dollars. Only Republicans talk about establishing a moon colony and going back to Mars. It a big-government program, doing the same thing over and over, and is a HUGE waste of money."


Speaking as an engineer and scientist, those of you who likely have the word “ARTS” embossed on your degrees are completely ignorant of the fact that today’s post-industrial, information technology-based economy is based on technologies that were primarily derived from research & development associated with the U.S. space program. Unfortunately, the U.S. space program & associated research & development were severely curtailed in the 70’s in favor of funding the bottomless pit that is the welfare-industrial complex. The mostly-male American progressive income taxpayer base continues to fund a REAL failure of a war. The space program price tag is dwarfed by the 40 trillion dollars wasted on the ongoing pro-feminist “War on Poverty” since LBJ established his “Great Society” welfare-industrial complex over 40 years ago.

Then there’s the matter of evidence suggesting that all 5 mass extinctions in the last 550 million were caused by extraterrestrial events. A manned space program focusing on self-sufficient lunar and Martian colonies could potentially prevent the extinction of humanity if another extraterrestrial event were to occur in the near future, e.g. collision w/ a Near Earth Orbit (NEO) asteroid.

Rowly
writes: name ONE thing liberals have done in the last several years that has made this country "morally"better".

Civil rights Act
Ending Segregation
Voting Rights Act
Fair Housing Act
Laws against discrimination.


religiouslib
As far as I'm concerned, you are always welcome here.

And as far as your 11:18 AM post, all I can say is:

AMEN!!!!

;-)


stedes
Oh my gosh !!!Where do I start? Conservatives ARE morally superior to liberals !! The Democrat party is made up of only "factions'.Each has a place at the public trough.As long as you get yours----who cares where it came from? When your party has drained the last drop of blood from moral,hard-working,taxpaying citizens,people like you will be in
the bread lines with the rest of us.-------
As for morality.,make a list of all the programs YOUR party have foisted on the rest of us,that have ruined almost everything that was good and decent in our society. You can not name ONE thing liberals have done in the last several years that has made this country "morally"better.
-------I await your list.

Super column - - - BUT - - -
- - - he forgot to mention Pat Leahy as one of the most contemptable forces in the supercilious political world of today (2nd paragraph) -- but we can forgive that small omition, 'ay?