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Saturday, February 02, 2008
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Hollywood Hate Mail
by Brent Bozell
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Few people in the public eye can escape hate mail. Public scrutiny is one thing, but the sophomoric and so often crude letters designed to ruin the recipient's day are increasingly the gambit of idiots. Maybe it goes all the way back to Michelangelo. "If you're such a great artist, why are you painting graffiti on church ceilings?" But I doubt it.

It's the kind of dialogue that has also become the signature of many in the entertainment world. If Roger Ebert doesn't like a movie, it's a critique. It's not hate mail. That's not only because he's paid to be critical, but also because the tone of his criticism is dedicated to evaluation, not insult. I suppose if you made that movie Ebert considered a stink bomb, it might feel like hate mail. But serious critics like Ebert don't say your mother rode a broomstick or that you're so fat it's embarrassing.

Others in the Hollywood orbit do. It's Hollywood's version of hate mail.

Seth MacFarlane, a darling of Tinseltown, makes the Sunday evening Fox cartoons "Family Guy" and "American Dad." Recently he was interviewed by the gay magazine The Advocate as part of a series of chats with celebrities and Hollywood types with a "Big Gay Following."

They asked him about a "Family Guy" episode favoring "gay marriage" he made in 2006 titled "You May Now Kiss the Guy Who Receives." A year later, when Fox replayed that episode in a four-program block promoting the teen-sex movie "Superbad," the Parents Television Council made that foursome its Worst of the Week pick. When The Advocate recounted this fact to MacFarlane, he cried foul, in a remarkably foul way:

"Oh, yeah. That's like getting hate mail from Hitler. They're literally terrible human beings. I've read their newsletter, I've visited their Web site, and they're just rotten to the core. For an organization that prides itself on Christian values -- I mean, I'm an atheist, so what do I know? -- they spend their entire day hating people."

And then the man denouncing "hate mail from Hitler" invited the authors of the PTC report to perform a certain sexual act on him, using precisely the same language that one would find scrawled on the wall in a dirty bathroom stall in some dingy truck stop in the middle of nowhere.

The anything-goes lobby on the Internet loved this interview and that hate mail, singling out these remarks as "highly entertaining" (the Defamer blog) "enjoyable" (New York magazine), and "choice" (After Elton, a blog sponsored by Viacom's gay cable channel Logo).

A television show can be brilliant and clever and hilarious -- and still inappropriate for young children. That's doubly important for a cartoon, which children -- and the show's childish creators -- quite naturally see as a medium made for them. Sometimes, "Family Guy" can be hilarious. Occasionally, it is even clever. It is also absolutely inappropriate for children. Yet when an organization like the Parents Television Council, which simply wants to restore a sense of decency to this increasingly squalid medium, says so -- out comes the hate mail from Hollywood.

Consider recent plot lines like evil baby Stewie shooting his mother full of holes with a submachine gun. Or his father then shooting Stewie to death. How does a 5-year-old boy or girl process those scenes? MacFarlane doesn't seem to spend two seconds thinking about it, but people who worry about children's media intake certainly do. Apparently one can worry about but not voice that concern without receiving hate mail from Hollywood. So be it.

MacFarlane doesn't just unleash his hate-mail style in interviews. He also unloads it on TV. Let's revisit the "Family Guy" show on "gay marriage" that spurred MacFarlane's outburst. Part of the plot has one of the show's regular characters urged by a girl to join the Young Republicans, which in this episode goes by the acronym SARS, like the deadly respiratory virus. The girl describes their mission like this: "We perpetuate the ideal that Jesus chose America to destroy non-believers and brown people."

That line is not hilarious satire. That is hate mail. It may be airing on national television instead of being scrawled on a pad and put in an envelope, but it's still hate mail. It smears Christian conservatives not only as violent racists out to destroy "brown people" but attributes to them the kill-the-infidel echoes of a homegrown Christian version of al-Qaeda.

Hollywood millionaire moguls like MacFarlane are notoriously awful at realizing that free speech is a two-way street. He expects to be adored wherever he goes, even if making vicious fun of everyone else is his daily bread. He may be a television success. But in the world of public debate, he's not a player. He's the guy scribbling graffiti in the bathroom stall.

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Typo
I meant "forty" years.

XXX Domain?
Dear Immoderate Mark:

I did watch the Super Bowl. In fact, I've seen 'em all! This was one of the better ones. Thanks. Now to business.

You say that you don't support porn in public, yet you do support a "xxx domain". Mark; porn is either illegal or it's not. Where it becomes established, it expands. Invariably. The history of the last forth years proves this dramatically. As narcotics are for the body, pornography is for the spirit. Once addicted- and usually from an early (and ever earlier) age- one's life comes to revolve around either... or both.

Porn in all forms and on all levels, both subtle and overt, are everywhere. It doesn't stop with depraved adults, either. Increasingly, it has become available to children, aimed at children and includes children in it's making. Even if you manage to restrict it on television (although it has, in reality, spread to broadcast TV in both image and concept) what about all the other venues open to kids? And what about those who will be inevitably influenced by and recruited into the process?

Pornography destroys. It reduces human beings to the level of animals by negating all our highest ideals and leaving us as rooting pigs in a pen- the liberal idea of heaven on earth. And it fouls the hearts and minds of inocent children, turning them into tools of the depraved and- if they live- into the degenerate adults who prey on the children who come after them. It fosters the most vicious of all cycles.

As a Christian and as an adult who cares for children, I naturally oppose this.

P.S. The conservatives who "hammer" President Bush usually do so because he's foolishly "rolled over" for democrats so often and, thereby, compromised the values upon which he was elected. And, for the reasons I've stated above, Bill and Monica are no joke. Between them, they sent a message of legitimized perversity to an entire generation of children. Like pornmongers.


Did you even READ the post?
"Doing right" has many meanings. Sometimes the best this IS not to have the doofus marry the girl. That does NOT absolve him of any responsibility to his child(ren) from the "relationship". Leaving "skid marks" is not responsibility. Playing "Jewels in the Crown" in the 'hood is NOT responsibility.

-Ray

Speaking Of Perversity
Dear Mark:

"One man's perversion is another man's pleasure."?

Talk about the watchword of the amoral! That's something that Nero might have said. Or Jeffery Dahlmer... or the Marquis de la Sade. Perversion is the corruption of humanity- especially in the sexual aspect- into unnatural and irresponsible desires. When applied to children, it takes this concept to its most blatant and hideous form. Perversion is a negation of the highest orders of the human spirit and a denial of God. It serves to throw its practitioners from the crown of Creation to below the level of animals.

American citizens have every right to demand high standards and accountability- not only from public officials, but also from those who display their "wares" in public. To this end, we have traditionally employed our right to petition, to organize and generally uphold the concepts that raise us above the beasts of the field. This is what civilized Christian people are supposed to do... as opposed to paganistic barbarians and atheistic decadents. We support a free government derived from our principles as stated in the Constitution. Likewise, we reject the all-powerful oligarchic entity you would impose on us and the alien and depraved concepts inherent to it.

I notice that you continually throw in unrelated barbs at the President, the GOP, Ann Coulter and the rest of your bogeymen whenever you comment. Like so many liberals, you thereby display the fear and hate that is your true driving force. Try to restrain yourself and stick to the issues.

ModerateMark
My favorite Woody Allan line is in response to be asked if sex is "dirty." His response: "It is if you do it right!"


"From Here to Eternity"
“The title phrase comes originally from Rudyard Kipling's 1892 poem "Gentlemen-Rankers," about soldiers of the British Empire who had "lost their way" and were "damned from here to eternity.”

Burt Lancaster, Deborah Kerr, Donna Reed, Frank Sinatra, Ernest Borgnine and Montgomery Clift all starred in “From Here to Eternity.” Lancaster was 1st Sgt., Clift was a Private and a boxer, Kerr was married to a Captain who never paid any attention to her. Donna Reed worked at a social club, but she was not one of the girls who “put out” as you might say. She only flirted with the men and danced with them. If you watch the whole movie you will see that. Kerr did have an affair with Lancaster. Borgnine plays a hot-tempered stockade Sgt. Frank Sinatra a Private, and as usual, is an accomplished musician who eventually lets his talent shine at one of the local hangouts.

This was a very well-made movie that left some imagination without slathering it all over the screen. Yes, you knew that Kerr was having an affair on her husband and it was written in such a way that you felt sorry for her. It was not crude as some have taken to describing it. It’s been a couple of years since I’ve seen it, but if I recall, her Captain husband was cheating on her many years before or there was abuse. In any event, I don’t believe two wrongs make a right, but it gives you more empathy towards her character.

Tower of Babel...
Referred to the scattering of the people which I referred to as migration and the confusing of languages. The people in Genesis 11:1-9 built a tower because they did not want to speak more than one language or be separated. God had a different plan as many times he does from our earthly ideas. The migration then led to what I described in my former post.

jdw
Yes, God created Adam & Eve, can there be more than one race? No, just two genders. The reason for skin coloration differences is because of one major factor...

MIGRATION: People migrated to different lands, thus creating different gene characteristics to adapt to where they lived. Scots, which I am mostly, are fair-skinned light eyed because they lived in a climate of rainy weather. Africans lived in an arid desert area and took on darker thicker skin with darker eyes to accommodate the harsh sun. Same with Middle Eastern descent, they lived in a more arid area, so their skin tone is darker. Mexicans are darker with dark eyes. Spaniards are dark haired with varying eye color and fair skin because they are more north. Eskimos have dark hair and dark eyes, because they live where there are very long days but their skin is not as dark because they have harsh winters. The regions made the "lineage" assimilate and adapt to their climate. Do you get my point? I didn't address each one, I was just trying to touch on some extremes to make a point.

Now we come to modern day where we are more mobile and these “lineages” have intermarried, so what? That leads to having a whole gamut of genes mixed together. DNA - 101.

Grow up, Family Guy
Somebody can't say that, in their opinion, one episode of your timeless classic is no good, pardon me, sucked? Can't handle it without pulling out a cliched reference to Hitler? Christians are out to kill "brown people"? Oh, that's SO funny - uh - wait - it isn't. Satire is supposed to be based on some kind of reference to reality not just a recitation of saying poo poo on people you don't like. Get it?

civil unions
are reasonable.

Bi-sexuals are just plain greedy;)

Gay marriage should be accepted
It's reasonable to accept gay marriage. But i am not forcing others to accept it. But I just can't understand why other can't accept this as a common thing. "Our heart is full of love as you straight people do. why not?" said by my bisexual friend at http://www.bimingle.com. well, it is a popuar issure for us to disscussed and i can also calm down to hear any opinion.

Parents should restrict media to their
children, be familiar with what's available on the tube, atb the movie theatre, the net, and never allow young people to have tv's and/or computers in their rooms.

Many parents today were raised by boomers who were afraid to say "No" and interfere with their child-geniuses' creativity, leading the current crop of parents to say nothing at all.

Those were GREAT shows!!!!!!!!!!
Litte House and The Waltons presented an ideal worth fighting for: the intact family. The Great Society, and all the tax and waste programs that supported it, have done NOTHING but DESTROY the integrity of black, hispanic and poor white families for over 40 years. Until LBJ got his way a girl had motivation to force a man who got her pregnant to "do right" by her. If that didn't mean marriage at least it meant financial and emotional support for the kid(s).

With the State replacing the wage-earning father in too many families for 40+ years we now have "baby mamas" and "baby daddies" instead of PARENTS! Add to that the mouth-foaming drive to offer and then perpetuate unlimited abortion on demand, AND deny parents any say in the case of teens, and we've spawned a self-regenerating class of low-income n'er do wells.

Welfare reform has made a SMALL dent where it was applied but look how Billy Jeff had to be dragged kicking and screaming to sign it.

-Ray

str8t talk - so...
the tower of Babel never happened?

"I refuse to call you old or black, I'm white, but in my books, God created One race - the Human race. "

This is a question I keep asking and nobody wants to answer it for me:

WHICH race is the human one? And if it's the only one God created, who created all the other races?

"Race" refers to subspecies. We are the human species, each race is a subset of that species. I get so annoyed when playing a video game or watching a movie and they refer to "races"; sorry, but Taurens, by the wildest imaginings, are unlikely to be able to mate with Gnomes and produce fertile offspring (for example). A caucasian female who mates with a silverback gorilla will not produce a fertile child (or will a human female of any other *race*). And if she does, we're going to have to expand our usage of the word "race" and leave out the "human" part.
I'm so sick of people acting as though having a race is something to be ashamed of, something to be blurred, disguised, pushed under the bed.


Social worker...
I commend you for not calling the ambulance on the kid. I refuse to call you old or black, I'm white, but in my books, God created One race - the Human race. Thank you for your service to the children in the generations you've worked. We need more who are willing in your line of work and I'm sure you're not rich in monetary means, only in the rewards of seeing lives turned around or children put into better situations.

You mentioned some of my favorite shows as well, esp "Little House & The Waltons." I still watch the reruns of those when I have a chance, which is not often, but I prefer classic TV to the garbage that is offered these days!

Decency vs. Perversity
Dear Mark:

I think you know as well as I that none of those systems you mentioned are foolproof- especially when up against a smart kid who knows the technology. Even if it weren't, that's still begging the point. Obscenity in the public domain is a moral evil. It feeds on human misery and corrupts all that it touches. It has never been more prevalent and widely available in all forms to young and old alike. Not just TV and games, but DVDs, print, music and- to an ever increasing degree- the internet.

The ancient argument of "just don't watch it" is as bogus as ever... and for the reasons I've just stated. Conservatives defend decency and liberals uphold perversity. What other issue could define the the basic difference between us so dramatically?

ch3354 - mass effect
"that mass effect thing is taken out of context that so called sex sence is not even a major part of the game, is not graphic, mostly implied which has been done in movies for years even the great black and white classics. "

The scene they showed during Sessler's monologue show a male and a female model, both nude, and as anatomically correct as possible, but I can't be sure because X-Play felt compelled to blur out certain portions.

Such a scene has NO BUSINESS in a video *game*.

I watched an old movie with Victor Mature in it the other night. He rented a cab for the night, intending to take his wife out on a celebration.
You see him looking into their bedroom, and the *dialog* implies that she is getting dressed. He turns, grabs a champaign bottle and two glasses, pauses at the door, and goes inside...

The Next Day...
THAT was all that is ever necessary to involve sex in a storyline. Nowadays we'd be treated to every grunt and groan, with close ups that an anatomy professor would envy. (side note: I would love to lynch every Hollywood sound man who ever stuck a microphone in peoples' mouths while they were kissing!)

And it isn't necessary except for the adolescent drug-addicts that make up today's equivalent to the marching morons or Orwell's proles. Heck, what kind of a *man* would really want to watch another man have a woman he found attractive himself, anyway??

re: Miss Kitty
Miss Kitty, the Cathouse Marm and barkeep, would be the "irreverent" mom/pastor in a dramedy today.

speaking of Disney
ABC's "Family" channel's slogan is "A Whole New Kind of Family". Hmmmm. From the risque shows and movies that I've seen shown on it I believe they are part of the "progressive" movement too. So much for counting on Disney and ABC for entertainment.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy violent movies and some sexy scenes, it's just that I empathize with the war that families are having waged on them. Why drag kids into adult activities?

btw- can any Dem/lib answer me this: Why do you want to drag us downwards in regards to sexuality and public decency when in every other area of life - art, education, politics, economics, social issues - you are always whining about "progressing"?

BHLib - it gets back to McCain
"There is an on/off knob on most TVs? If you don't like what's on turn the machine off. There is no conspiracy to force depravity down the throats of the innocent public. The conspiracy is to make money and sex and violence have always sold. "

McCain is leading massively in the polls, yet you listen to conservatives anywhere, and they want ABM: anybody but McCain. So, Republican party, the party of conservatives, is going to nominated the most liberal candidate possible, and his only real challenge is the 3rd most liberal candidate possible, a great deal of whose support comes from the ABM crowd.

I like *very* little of what's on the idiot box. I watch Fox News, occasionally X-Play, AMC and TCM (sometimes), and Shimmy on the Fitness Channel. When switching between them, I flip as fast as I can, for even the *commercials* have become offensive. Not just for sexual content, either.

So when the marching morons, or the proles, use whatever euphemism you choose, continue to flock to view this raw sewage, that's what is on the idiot box, and I'm forced to dodge around like Eliza crossing the river. I don't blame McFarlane for spewing his garbage. I do blame the American public for not having the character to turn it off.

I *can* turn it off. Just as I *can* write-in a vote for Tancredo or Hunter. And just exactly will that accomplish?

Sorry Ray
My memory is so-so. And, I never saw the show all the way through- just never interested.

The only shows I remember with any clarity at all are, shamefully enough, "The Brady Bunch" , "Little House on the Prairie", and "The Waltons". Believe it or not, they were popular in black households.

NOT "Gunsmoke"!!!!
Aged Social Engineer,

That was "Wild Wild West" and, if you paid attention, as he was kissing her he saw the reflection in the mirror behind her that she was about to stab him in the back. If that influenced anyone it was probably Hitlery Klinton.

-Ray

About "Gun Smoke"
I haven't thought about that show in 40 years. I do remember the introduction included a western style theme song played to animated cowboy images doing various things, among them kissing a lady in a big, puffy dress and then hurling her to the ground! Not exactly a family value...

jdw
that mass effect thing is taken out of context that so called sex sence is not even a major part of the game, is not graphic, mostly implied which has been done in movies for years even the great black and white classics.

Really and truely it is the parents to put family values into children not schools not tv. this country is going to tear it self apart becasuse there are too many people that get worked up over nothing.

BHL
Comparing Miss Kitty to modern TV fare is absurd. Nice try though. I guess you can't see that the boundaries of decency have been destroyed and TV and Hollywood have a lot to do with it. Call us prudes if you want. I just think that perversity and debauchery should stay in doors. Exhibitionism is not necessarily entertainment, don't get that confused.

And, speaking of further thought, the point of the article is to either come out and say what you want or make entertainment. McFarlane is hiding his hatred inside his cartoons and soft peddling it to the public. This is cowardice.

I also forgot the attack on family values that comes from the classrooms as well. Education is losing to indoctrination.

If you don't like it, don't watch it
I do not expect anything except pus from the likes of the trousered lymphomas at work in Hollywood, As a rsult, I don't watch TV often. It is possible to be in the world but not of it.

Having said that, it is ironic that some of what is seen on popular shows gets kids sent for psych evaluations in school. For example, if a kid draws what is construed as violent images (like Stewie shooting his Mom), by law they have to be removed from school and sent to a hospital for an evaluation before being given clearance to return to school.

I got my wrist slapped a couple of years back for not sending a kid out because a teacher was alarmed at drawings he'd done of bunny rabbits using various weapons. He was a neat boy who was into animae and thought the juxtaposition of cute bunnies and bazookas was funny. I agreed, and advised him to keep our litigious, strange society in mind and not bring it into school. Administration was not happy with me for not calling and ambulance (you have to) and having him sent out for an eval.

Seth MacFarlane b.0ct 73
"On September 11, 2001 he was scheduled to return to Los Angeles on American Airlines Flight 11 after being a keynote speaker at his alma-mater in Rhode Island. Due to a mix-up by his travel agent he was told that his flight was scheduled to depart at 8:15am but it really departed at 7:45am and he had arrived at Boston Logan Airport a few minutes after boarding was stopped on his flight and he was told he would have to wait for the next flight. At 8:45am one hour after the departure of American Airlines Flight 11 it was hijacked by terrorists and crashed into One World Trade Center (North Tower) in New York City killing all on-board. He was able to contact his parents within 20 minutes of Flight 11 striking the first tower to tell them he was okay. He said that he thanked his travel agent for screwing up the departure time or he would have been on board." - From imdb (movie database bio)

Scarlet
You need to revisit history. Sex and violence has always been the mainstay of "entertainment". That does not make entertainment anti-family. It makes family values less cost effective entertainment.

Btw, I believe the daily soaps have always gotten most of their ratings from the bedrooms rather than the board rooms. As for "prime time", Miss Kitty, from Gunsmoke, was portrayed as a saloon keeper in latter years. In the early years she was the madam of the town brothel. Can you forget Uncle Miltie cross dressing? These are off the top of my head. Further thought can bring a lot more.

Further, you can always lobby for family values' programming, but what I hear is a mandating nothing but pro family values and outlawing anything the prudes feel is in opposition of those values.

MacFarlane says:
"I'm an atheist, so what do I know?" and writes: "We perpetuate the ideal that Jesus chose America to destroy non-believers and brown people." Guess what? Jesus was of middle eastern descent Jewish back 2041 years ago, he WAS a "brown person."

What utter nonsense by a writer who obviously said it right..."so what do I know?"

BLH
The problem is that Hollywood et al are anti-family. Turning the TV off is only so effective. How does one go about turning off billboards, radio, movies, newspapers, magazines, chat rooms, books, Internets etc? And why should we have to turn off our tvs? We didn't use to have to turn them off. Are you really trying to argue that Hollywood has no effect on society?

Don't get confused: censorship is done by governments not concerned citizens.

And b., what's wrong with trying to clean up "entertainment"? Why are you so threatened by other Americans having a voice in the public square?

Packrat
This is not meant to be insulting, but if the shoe fits...

I do not watch professional sports or college athletics. Guardians of public morals must be aware that most, if not all, professional athletes are now drug enhanced. They should be spurned and ignored rather than rewarded with multi-million lavishness. They are more "hollywood" than actual hollywood personalities.

I agree that Twilight Zone and Outer limits were better than most of what is cranked out today. They caused people to question their beliefs and clarify their values.

Oops, left of something
It fits to a T that I left out her t.

BHL


Concerning movies, etc.

You are right, but last people did not expect to see Jane Jackson's anatomy plop in their living room.
I keep a collection of VFR/DVD's for the reason you put forth.

I find the writing a 40 year old Twilight Zone or Outer Limits to be far superior to most of what is shoveled out of the barn these days.

Have any of you censors noticed
There is an on/off knob on most TVs? If you don't like what's on turn the machine off. There is no conspiracy to force depravity down the throats of the innocent public. The conspiracy is to make money and sex and violence have always sold.

YOU can change what is provided simply by turning off your machines. If no one buys what is being sold, decency will return to the airwaves. Or, are there simply too few of YOU to affect the bottom line? Oh well.

FYI, there is a wonderful alternative to Broadcast, satellite, and cable. It is cheaper too. It is called Netflix and/or Blockbuster.

what's it to Brent Bozell?
Could it be that Mr. B. Bozell is feeling that he can't stop such popularity of shows like that? So what?
I don't watch either of the shows that MacFarlane created. They are too juvenile for me, regardless of some adult content. I don't watch the Simpsons either. I don't care about them. I also read the article in the Advocate and couldn't care less about how MacFarlane responded to his critics.
Hollywood is open to people and fare that Bozell thinks would be more appropriate for whatever tastes. If certain bases aren't seeing what they like, they can produce it themselves and let the market speak.
Evidently satire is all well and good when it's certain disliked people who get the hook.
But isn't Bozell crying foul as well something of the pot calling the kettle black?
Why doesn't he just ignore MacFarlane? I would. I do.

Nothing new under the sun


Looking at the comments and reflecting on the past.

There is very little new, it just that the so-called "writers" are recycling the plots from grade B and below flick (Biker Queens from Hell") and pretending that the thoughts are new and original.

Fritz was just a feature length XXX comic book.

Last comment: any right "speech" carries with it responsibility (when not to speak).

So ends the lesson.

Rabid response
Actually, while he failed to make his argument, Adam Sessler was civil in his response compared to McFarland.

Fox News aired a segment condemning "Mass Effect" the video game. I have not seen this segment, but Adam Sessler did a segment on "X-Play" where he attacked Fox News for their segment and defended Mass Effect.

http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/19983/XPlay_Editorial_Fo x_News_and_Mass_Effect.html

The problem with his argument, was that he condemned Fox's commentator for criticizing the game without having played it; but in his own opening statement, Sessler says that the game
has what he referred to euphemistically as "an act of virtual intimacy". Apparently to him, "intimacy" is a synonym for "sex". As he says this, the video editorial shows the sex scene which Fox condemned as corrupting. But Sessler condemned the criticism because the commentator admitted to having not played the game.

Yet Sessler showed the scene in question. So, the scene is in the game. The scene is what is being condemned. Yet he questions Fox's journalistic integrity because the specific commentator had not played the game.

What we need is a mass invasion by conservatives into the arts. Any conservative who feels even slightly creative needs to write books, make cartoons, make movies, and so on.

childish rant
Does MacFarlane have children or is he just another "boy-man" with money?

The adult response to the Parent Television Council would have been along the lines of: "Well, my show is certainly not meant for children so I don't disagree with them".

Instead, he went on a teenage rant (Boo-hoo the adults are being mean to me!). By the way, anyone who compares those who merely disagree with them to Hitler (genocidist of six million) automatically gets 50 I.Q. points deducted so that would make him an idiot savant, as my nice and bright sons tell me his stuff is pretty funny.

Public Morals
Continued

Sorry- but no. Decent people have rights, too. Only the perverse of mind and heart would act or speak in the manner of a confirmed trash purveyor such as Seth MacFarlane. We are under no legal or moral restrictions to sit by idly while he and others promote perversity for profit in the public forum. Just the opposite, in fact. Unlike liberals, we believe in as clean and safe an environment as possible in which to raise our children as good citizens, not the degenerate cretins that liberals would have them become.

This is our sacred duty as adults. We hold it so.

Public Morals
Let's get a few things straight, folks. "Public airwaves" and "public access media" mean just that. People are free to speak their minds in political discourse, as the Constitution states. What it does not protect, however, is libel, openly provoking violence and disorder and conduct contrary to public morals.

It's one thing to make a depraved movie. That can't be regulated much- except when it's shown outside a regulated theater or exploits children in its making. Not even that, these days! But to plaster perversity onto a TV screen, the public magazine rack, or open forum internet- where children can freely view the material with little or no supervision- that is morally wrong.

It has (until fairly recently!) always been considered so. Why is it that liberals now react with violent denunciations everytime someone points this out? Why should standards of common decency, once so universally recognized, scare them more than the idea of Al Qaida with an A-bomb? How do they equate Christians standing up for the values of home and hearth and urging a return to those worthy traditions with Nazis, Islamists (whom they otherwise support!), bigots, et al? Do they consider it a personal right, unmentioned in the Bill, to be as irresponsible and degenerate in their actions as possible, no matter whom it affects?

Continued

The purpose
The purpose of "Family Guy" and all similar shows is to promote certain ideas and destroy others. This cartoon certainly isn't alone in its portrayals.

Let's see... white, male parent. Fool, coward, mentally challenged, morally corrupt, hypocritical, untrustworthy, irresponsible, drunken... Did I mention white male parent?

A commercial advertisement is rare where the male is smarter, stronger, or more courageous than the female. Rare is the television program where Dad puts his foot down, and there it stays. Unheard of would be if he turned out to be right.

Even rarer is a television program or movie where males are doing something without a female in sight.

It's one thing for Jeff Foxworthy to suggest "You might be a redneck", and for redneck to become the new black (or Polack, or broad, or pick your former ethnic target of derision.) Nothing wrong with redneck jokes... until A) people start to believe them and B) they are the *only* acceptable form of derision. Key words being "only acceptable".

This use of Hollywood as a propoganda tool goes way back to the 1950s and probably earlier. Every change in our society, from integration to feminism, to homosexual activism, has been accompanied, and usually preceded, by a propoganda campaign designed to defuse popular, and usually accurate, views of the aspect of society Hollywood wants to change.
Even when shows such as "Family Guy" make fun of minorities or protected classes("Asian reporter Tricia Takanowa"), they're actually making fun of those holding the "traditional" view, not the minority or protected class.


Free Speech
There is nothing in the first Amendment that says a group of citizens can not get together to express their opinions on a matter and even try to sway others their way. That is their right!

Where that ends as a right is when those same people go to the government and say "FIX IT!" When that happens, then we have a serious first Amendment issue.

Examples of NOT first Amendment abuse.
-backlash to Dixie Chicks
-backlash to Susan Surandon
-The example in this article

Examples OF first Amendment abuse.
-San Fran passing a resolution against Savage for speech they disagreed with.
-Harry Reid and the Senate passing a resolution against Rush for speech they distorted and disagreed with.
-Campaign Finance Reform by McCain

I don't understand
What is Bozell's goal? Is it merely to voice his disapproval of Family Guy and Seth MacFarlane? If so, no problem. Free country and all that.

Is it to have Family Guy shown at a later hour when children are asleep? Hmm, that's fair.

But...he isn't trying to get Family Guy taken off the airwaves, is he?

He isn't trying to dictate and enforce by regulation what is and isn't acceptable for Family Guy to joke about...is he?

I mean, is he?

Why
would anyone be hateful to Glenn? He's one of the good guys.

Chopper, Savage has been spending a LOT

of time in the "Naughty Corner" of late! :-)

But, did you ever take a peek at Glenn Beck's web site? He posts his hate mail!!!!

Most of it would make a seasoned sailor's mouth fall open. Yeah, it's THAT bad, and obviously all from the left!!! Go figure!




Here's a funny idea
McFarlane can use this one free of charge:

He can have an episode where one teen tries to get Meg to join the Young Dems. One teen could tell her, "We're the feel-good party. We enjoy sex, drugs and Tim Robbins movies. Oh and destroying black families. We used to be bigger, but you know, abortion and all."


Anne,
it's Saturday morning. Behave Savage99, in the corner with you.

Savage99: You always make me laugh!

You KNOW I couldn't let THAT one go by... it was just too funny! LOL

Just don't MAKE me come down there and have to wash your mouth out with soap. I prefer the liquid soap because when you try to wash it out... it just foams up... LOL




And a happy good morning to you too
Sparky. :-D And please don't beat up on me for inane comments, i'm trying to quit.

Okay savage99: Enough out of YOU! :-)
.

The "Frog in the Pot Syndrome."

If you put a frog in a pot of cold water, and gradually increase the temperature of the water, the frog will eventually boil... to death... as it adapts to the rising temperature of the water.

We have been doing just that for many, many years. Language, behavior, and expectations have gradually deteriorated to the point that we're a pathetic excuse for what should be an exemplary society.

Sad commentary on what we've become.






Saveage 99
LOL !!

Not just profanity...
But also all the so common sexual references. It really seems to me the writers - loosely termed - really have NO imagination. It's the same juvenile schtick on every show...it's all so purposeless.

Charles the Hammer
You are absof******glutely right!!! :-D

Amazing posts
Most of the posts here reflect the way people in America have become de-sensitized to how far TV has degenerated. I would suggest if you don't think this kind of thing is a problem - you need to step away from TV for a month and charge yourself $ 1. every time you use profanity or take the name of the Lord in vain. It may surprise you.

Not that standards were ever that high (vast wasteland and boob-tube are not new tags for it) - but I would think everyone should be able to agree on a general standard of decency.

Fox shows, Family Guy are just representative of how far we have sunk. Why would anyone want to disagree with the obvious. And yes it may be "free speech" - but that requres no one to approve of it. A lot of popular books have the same kind of idiot/juvenile language in them as well

Someone mentioned how men talk around each other. We in my office are really trying to stop all that - because we know we can all descend to coarse talk - and that we should not do it.

All the posters here are obviously High Schoool or College educated. We should be the ones to set the standards of proper language - get rid of the profanity - no matter what our political or social leanings.

Audi10,
your posts continue to be among the very few that contain adult comments. Thanks.

Cartoons
Somebody ought to tell the poo poo heads who purvey this stuff that it isnt Hitler they hate -- it is Mommy and Daddy...and to remind them of the days when they sat in the corner still tasting the soap, muttering *When I grow up I will say *(*&^&^ whenever I want AND MOMMY AND DADDY CANNOT STOP ME AND THAT WILL SHOW THEM!*

If you are in your forties and still trying to make up for that mouthful of soap by shocking Mommy and Daddy, that would show you are pretty sad, would it not?

Brent
Talk to Rupert Murdoch about the shows on Fox.
Maybe you better not, or they won't let you on O'Reilly anymore!

My take
Get rid of television in the home. Read a book, get involved in neighborhood activities. Go out and play!

Bugs Bunny in drag????
Oh, puleeze. How in the Nine Billion Names of God was that supposed to be "inappropriate"? I remember that cartoon well (clearly Chuck Jones, Friz Freleng or someone in the Warner Bros. animation department in those days had a thing for opera, as that was not the only Bugs Bunny cartoon with an operatic theme), and no one gave a moment's thought to Bugs being done up like Brunhilde in that cartoon.

And "Fritz the Cat" (which I saw in the theater back in my sordid youth) was a feature-length film, not TV fare (except nowadays on one of the cable movie channels).

Like it or not, people still think of cartoons as children's fare, although obviously not all of it is, and parents need to pay attention to what their kids watch, not the least to keep them clear of drek like "Family Guy".

As for Family Guy
Have watched a couple of seasons (not by my choice, living with roommates), and find the show vulgar and tasteless. The humor is rarely rises above the mental level a 13 year old, most of the best jokes have been done before (i.e. Bugs Bunny, etc.) in much better taste. I really can't imagine what an individual above the age of 15 could possibly see in the program. Then again, the present public education system might explain much of the fascination with the show.

The fact that it is written at such a grade-school level seems to make it evident that, regardless of arguments to the contrary, The7Sticks, the show is written for young teenagers. Even though it is on after that magic hour of when all kids go to bed, the show is made and marketed for kids around the age of 11-15, particularly boys.

MacFarlane's a ''mogul''?
--
He might well be a "millionaire" (which is getting easier as the Federal Reserve Corporation keeps devaluing the dollar until the currency issued by the Parker Brothers Corporation is becoming tender of equivalent value), but if he moves and shakes anything in Hollywood other than his pudenda at the urinal, it's news to the world at large.

Just as the Parents Television Council is entitled to their collective opinion on MacFarlane's work (and to go on-record with that opinion), MacFarlane is entitled to his opinion about the Parents Television Council.

And to speak *HIS* mind (however he damned pleases) about the policies and procedures of the Parents Television Council.

Though his language in this instance is more appropriate to the level of pungency heard in an informal exchange among a bunch of average American working men, one would have to wonder just how abjectly epicene would have to be the American man who can honestly attest to having never *EVER* used similar language in the discussion of a Pointy-Haired Boss, a back-stabbing politician, or an NFL referee.

MacFarlane, in his career, has gored so many oxen that he is naturlly sensitive about censorship. So many people have been trying to shut him up that it's understandable that he gets irked about people and organizations who try to get between him and his audience.

And the Parents Television Council, in rating his shows in this instance, were definitely trying to persuade people not to watch his programs.

The fact is that all they got from MacFarlane was rude language. Not even threatening language. Just rude and contemptuous.

If this wounds them so deeply, God forbid that any of their membership should become an NFL referee.

--

See only Libs posting here
Not sure why the attacks on Mr Bozell here. As this is basically a column, it is basically his opinion. The progressives in Hollywood have grown so utterly insipid that it's enough to gag a maggot, yet when someone says "Hey, I don't appreciate the fact that TV's standards of entertainment have left the gutter and sunk to the sewers (which they have in my opinion)", the progs in HW start tossing around terms about how "evil, bigoted, phobic, etc" those who disagree with their ideas of entertainment are. This is not debate or discussion. This is propaganda to marginalize anyone who has a different opinion than theirs. It is character attack.

Cartoons are not a childrens' genre
If there is one cliche that make me want to punch my fist through the monitor more than anything, it's this isipid notion that if it's animated, it's for children. NOT ALL CARTOONS ARE FOR CHILDREN. Period. If all cartoons are for children, then how would you explain some of the old classics that seem innapropriate by today's standards? Is "What's Opera, Doc?" harmful to children because Bugs Bunny is dressed in drag? Is "Dennis The Menace" innapropriate because it shows a five-year-old juvenile delinquent? Is "Fritz The Cat" anything a children would watch because it's a cartoon? (For those who are unengaged, it's the first X-rated cartoon produced, with lots of sex, violence and drug use, not that it should be shown in primetime, I would agree. After all, it was the 70's.)
To say that cartoons are strictly for children is an insult to every animator, illustrator or cartoonist (including myself) that lives. Anybody who says these dogmatic lies should be ashamed of themselves and and be slapped silly by a Rube Goldberg device.

Cartoons target children...
Animation is a magnet that draws children. Adult themes and messages launched from the platform of an animated vehicle are an insidious and sereptitious attack on innocent children.

Of course, that's not anyone's intent. It's just a reality of life.

What About South Park?
Apparently, you've decided that South Park isn't hate speech any more, even with such classic episodes as "Red Hot Catholic Love" or "Bloody Mary", which specifically attacked your church. I would think that you and the Catholic League would at least cite that as an example of hate speech. Apparently, you must have watched the Cartoon Wars episode where they hate Family Guy and try to stop the network from airing the infamous Mohahmmud episode and said, "Hey, these guys hate Family Guy more than I do." Kind of a double standard, isn't it?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I have read the Parent's Television Council's website thouroughly for the last five years and I have seen the instances where they insult tv writers, specifically the creators of Family Guy, and truth be told, they were pretty harsh. I mean, they use every negative description they can without using the word "evil" or some expletive.
This is just another pathetic attempt to dig towards the bottom of the bucket to find something you hate. Newsflash: The FCC just fined NYPD Blue over a million dollars for showing a woman's buttocks. Shouldn't you be a little cheery or something over that?

Lame as usual.

At last, Left & Right as allies.
The freedom of expression has been overrated for far too long in our society. Leftists have realized this and have made great strides to adopt hate speech legislattion to make it a crime to express certain thoughts that are deemed obnoxious to certain classes of citizens. Unfortunately, conservatives have resisted such statutes, and to this day it is still difficult to get a person sentenced to prison for expressing unpopular thoughts.

However, Bozell has extended a dandy laurel with this article. So long as a conservative Christian group can demand censorship by claiming offense at a topic or line of expression, perhaps it is indeed time for us to look into limiting the ability of others to express certain thoughts.

Bozell has essentially proposed the 5 year-old test for adult oriented television. If a 5 year-old would process the scenes of such a show in a negative way, then the show is inappropriate and should face censure and censorship. This is a fantastic complement to other proposals, such as the idea that if a criminal utters an ethnic slur during the commission of a crime, the prison sentence should be lengthened. By working together, both the Left and the Right can ensure that no offensive thought be expressed without risk of fines or prison.

It is nice to finally see the Left and Right working as a team in an effort to eliminate what each side deems as offensive elements in our society. Hopefully soon, all ideas and expression shall have to be run through a screening process before the public is exposed to them. Only then will all media be safe for an audience of 5 year-olds, and all protected groups of people will be free from insult and criticism.

Just don't get it...
You sound like one of the commenters on any number of Mike Adams' satirical articles. You just don't get the satire. Family Guy uses a lot of satire and plays on stereotypes, because they're funny. As a Republican, I can laugh when they make fun of Republicans. They make fun of Democrats too, and I laugh then as well. As for children watching Family Guy, blame that on the parents not having the common sense to bar their children from watching it.
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