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Friday, June 13, 2008
Bobby Schindler :: Townhall.com Columnist
Competent Enough to Live
by Bobby Schindler
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Recently, yet another situation similar to that of my sister Terri Schiavo has made headlines. In West Palm Beach, Florida, Raymond Weber is asking the court to dehydrate his disabled wife, Karen, to death.

If you have read any of the reports in mainstream media, it’s just another case of a husband looking out for the “best interest” of his spouse. And just as in Terri’s case, Raymond Weber is asking the government to deliberately kill his wife who is not dying and is guilty of nothing more than having difficulty swallowing and therefore needing help, in the form of a feeding tube, to eat.

Not surprisingly, in a story by the AP, was a quote from the husband’s attorney who so touchingly referred to his client’s brain-injured wife as a “vegetable,” thus offending the tens of thousands of people and their families who do live with a profound brain injury.

The reporter also wrote that the decision whether Karen should live or die will depend upon whether or not a committee finds her “competent” to go on living. Yes, that is correct, competent enough to live. I guess passing an IQ test will be next.

Factors such as what is being taught in our medical schools, the breakdown of our health care system, the powerful influence of assisted suicide organizations, and the propaganda of our mainstream media have taken their toll.

As a result, the physically and mentally “inferior” are being denied the most basic care—food and water—in our nation’s medical facilities every day. (Thank goodness we have laws making it a felony if we do the same to an animal, although I would expect there would be a greater outcry if it were the family pets at risk.)

Equally as disturbing is the fact that our politicians, including our two presidential candidates, ignore this issue and because of it are failing in one of the most important responsibilities they have as leaders—to protect our most vulnerable citizens.

Perhaps our general public doesn’t have a clue as to how widespread this problem is in our nation today. This ignorance is in large part because of a stealth and powerful lobby who support patient dehydration based on quality of life judgments. This has slowly but surely changed our laws regarding food and water. Nutrition and hydration through a feeding tube, once considered basic care, are now recognized as “artificial nutrition and hydration”—and therefore a form of “medical treatment.”

Because of this, people have the right (this now includes hospital ethics committees under the banner of “futile care”) to refuse medical treatment (food and water via feeding tube) either for themselves or for others, which is often based on “best interest” scenarios. Denying the disabled food and water has become a routine part of medicine that only becomes an issue when family disagrees, as in the case of Karen Weber and my sister Terri.

If you need proof, read what was recently written in a March 18 New York Times article. In this column by Jane Brody, Judith Schwarz, a registered nurse and clinical coordinator for “Compassion & Choices” of New York was quoted as saying the following: “1.3 million people die each year in American hospitals as ‘a consequence of someone’s decision to withhold or withdraw life-sustaining treatment.’”

If this is accurate, these numbers are staggering. Although there are no statistics available to indicate exactly how many of these 1.3 million are simply being starved and dehydrated to death because a “loved one” doesn’t feel like taking on the “burden” of caring for these individuals, it is safe to say that dehydrating the disabled to death is happening every day in our country—in fact thousands of times daily, if the figures are to be believed. During Terri’s battle, Michael Schiavo’s attorney admitted that his effort to kill my sister by denying her food and hydration is a widely practiced “medical treatment.”

How have we sunk so far as a nation to become so desensitized and disconnected to the value and dignity of our most vulnerable, that dehydrating the disabled to death has become about as ordinary as buying a loaf of bread?

Someone once said that when your life becomes difficult, change your life, not your morals. Faced with difficult life choices today, too many have become too comfortable acting immorally.

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About The Author

Bobby Schindler is the host of “America’s Lifeline” heard Saturdays on WGUL in Tampa and online through their Web site. He is the brother of Terri Schiavo.

Bobby
I can only wish this lady the luck of living longer than her rat of a husband. God help her!

Make your wishes known
I have instructed my family of my wishes should I ever be in this situtation. But beyond that I believe every single being has a right given by God to exist. We do not have a right to decide for someone else nor does any judge.

You decide
This is one of those situations that illustrate the need for everybody to execute a medical power of attorney. YOU decide when you're feeling fine just what quality of life you need to continue your existance. Then YOU create a document spelling out that decision for the individual who will be dealing with the medical world for you.

You decide
This is one of those situations that illustrate the need for everybody to have a medical power of attorney. YOU decide when you're feeling fine just what quality of life you need to continue your existance. Then YOU create a document spelling out that decision for the individual who will be dealing with the medical establishment for you. Keep in mind that they may refuse to follow your wishes and your family may have to bear the cost of keeping you in existance.

As for me, If I have been reduced to doing nothing but breathing and have no prospect of getting better, I sure hope somebody slips me a large dose of morphine.

Uplandwilliam
Thats a fine thought but what if the day before you made out your living will a tiny little thing like a clot hit your brain and it was too long before you got help? W ho should decide then? If there's a big insurance policy and dollars pass a dr.'s hand. What then? There are all kinds of senarios on this. Who SHOULD decide? In the one above that I gave, there's a chance of rehab but for an unscrupulous DR. Don't say it could never happen.

This guy is still ranting about his
sister's unfortunate demise? Give it up! This isn't about people murdering people. It's about a right that has been exercised by many thousands of people to request end of life measures in specific circumstances. And to entrust those wishes to a loved one, usually a spouse. This Schindler guy is so filled with hate it's shocking. His sister's husband understood his wife's desire not to live an unfulfilled life. That's all there is to it. It was never about no one wanting to care for an incapacitated woman; it was about letting go of her, at her request.

JeffreyR05
Would you please tell me where you heard that she stated her wishes? When did she "REQUEST" to be taken off life support? The woman couldn't make her wishes known. She couldn't MAKE requests! We only have the word of a man who wanted the balance of a lawsuit to spend on his new wife. Hopefully she won't go on any hikes with him!!

The law recognizes
a spouse's right to execute end of life wishes on the presumption that the spouse will faithfully adhere to those wishes. If you don't like the law, get it changed. This happens all the time and only when Bobby Schindler needs publicity or gets bored does this issue get media treatment. Suppose a husband dies suddenly of natural causes and the wife insists he wanted to be cremated, while the rest of his family wants him interred. Who wins?

And here come the canibals of society...
People like Jeffrey make me sick. Aside of having an opinion on the subject you have no personal experience with, most of what I see from people like you is a nastiness toward those that believe in the right to life. Personal attacks, name calling are the biggest thing that people like you can do. Kick the wounded to death. It gets you above the filth that you stand in. I waste my time on you.
Get ready people it will be happening in lots of families soon, especially if "socialized medicine" comes to pass. Then the government or the courts have every right to decide if it costs to much for you to live.
We've gone to hell and the basket we arrived in long ago became ashes.

I do love liberal causes
because I like to back a winner. And I think that most "liberal" causes are superior to the fear- and hate-based "causes" of the wingnuts. How dare you presume I have no personal experience with this issue, Charolette. I do have experience with it. But as usual, the right-wing freak show doesn't even understand the issue that has its feathers all ruffled. The situation here is that a person can specify care, or lack thereof, in certain medical circumstances. Most Americans say they do not want to "live" in a persistent vegetative state. It's not living and many people feel it would be a burden to loved ones. The law gives them the choice.

Jeffrey
I dare because I live it every day with a child who you would dare to kill. I live everyday watching her fight to live. I live everyday watching her fight doctors who send her home to die. I live everyday watching people like you and her x husband trying to find a way to kill her. She has a medical directive and those that don't should have one. That is totally different than an estranged husband claiming he wants medical assistance or food or water removed because he doesn't have the cahonys to see it through. Its the till death do us part thing you know. The Law does give them the choice...it is unlawful when that choice is assumed.

If you can call me names "right-wing freak" does that mean I can call you a "fudge packer" I do not have wings and never have. I believe in life as a sacred thing. You or I have no right to tell one person or another what decision is wrong or right concerning their life. Especially when we did not live what the other obviously lived.

I will not reply to anything further from you...you waste my time and yours.

apologies
to the list for the slang...I am just so tired of being called a wingnut or a redneck. Which if you look up the definition of the word redneck you would see equates to several derogatory racist terms. But that only matters if you are a left wingnut.

Life at any cost?
I have made it clear to my family, co-workers, and anyone who will listen that my wishes are NOT to have a tube stuck in my stomach for the sake of artificially feeding and hydrating me.I'm sorry Mr. Schindler, but sticking a tube you were not born with into your body is a medical procedure. I watched my father waste away, breathing and passing fluids but managing little else. He had no life and I had no money to hire a lawyer to force the nursing home industry to adhere to his wishes: "leave me alone and let me die in peace."
My husband will able to trot out plenty f witnesses attesting to the fact that I have no desire to live a "breath in, breath out, pass gas, fluids and feces" existence with no other quality to my life than making it possible for the nursing home industry to exist another day.
And before we begin with the labels: I believe in the 2nd amendment, free trade, capitolism and the military. I believe abortion and right to die issues are personal moral struggles that have no business in the public arena any more than does a battle over who is better; Baptist or Catholic? I believe the Mid-East should be a great big sea of glass, we should drill our own oil and to hell with the caribou in ANWR and I believe illegal aliens who want jobs and a better way of life far outweigh the number of miscreants the media loves to scream about. In light of all that, please feel free to call me a far-left un-patriotic baby-killing freak or a right wing neo-con nut. I guess I fit both labels, depending on which day of the week and/or which issue is on the table.

The high cost of life
Starvation and even dehydration take a lot of time, during which you have to pay people to ensure that no one slips food or water to the person exercising his/her/whatever spouse's right to permit a slow passing. Wouldn't it be cheaper and more efficient just to gas and cremate them? Jeffrey?

Beckie
I support your right to a timely death as you state in your living will. What I don't support is a husband of a woman that doesn't drooling over her and venting to shut off all life support so he can spend the balance of a lawsuit on his NEW wife. These people here stating that she made her wishes known are stupid. The woman could not communicate in any way and had no living will! If you have a living will and wish no life support then so be it, I'm fine with that. Just don't tell me that all people without a will wish the same. you don't know their wishes.

what is life support?
"Competence" is a tremendously vague term, and could eventually be attributed to any person who could be considered an expense, or even a potential expense, to the government - such as a baby born with a condition like Downs or spina bifida, or a loved one diagnosed with a fatal disease. The choice to extend life or hope for quality of life will eventually not even be an option - as was the case for Terri's family, who was willing to assume total responsibility for her care. Extraordinary measure is one thing; witholding nutrition and fluids is tantamount to holding a pillow over their face - and far more cruel. How many of us would take a sick goldfish out of the water and sit and watch it flop and struggle through a slow, agonizing death?

health care
In Wickard v. Filburn, (1942) the court said, "It is hardly lack of due process for the government to regulate that which it subsidizes." Filburn was not allowed to grow wheat for his own use because it would affect interstate commerce. Ridiculous. Now imagine we have subsidized health care. It's already acceptable to kill those with no quality of life. With government health care, a bureaucrat can make a rule on who lives and dies and it has the same force as law.

Many of you are completely missing
the point. The law permits spouses to make medical decisions for an incapacitated person. That person may know of the incapacitated person's desire to end his or her life under some circumstances, such as "persistive vegetative state." The spouse is honoring his/her spouse's wishes. It's not about killing people, it's about letting critically ill people die, honoring THEIR wishes. It's not about you or me; it's about the ill person. What the Schindler family did to Michael Schiavo is beyond despicable. He was honoring his wife's wishes in medical circumstances that they evidently discussed at some point in their marriage. I thought you people think marriage is so sacred????

The "husband"
It's interesting that a court sided with a man who had a child with another woman while his wife was incapacitated.

I know he's not a Kennedy, so we can criticize him. So, I will.

We have a judge, who dismissed a CLEAR conflict of interest and is grounds for dissolving a marriage, and said the woman, who was not a murderer, had to be killed.

This is insane. There are people who loved the woman and would have taken care of her.

The man, for whom the woman was inconvenient, had a higher standing. He was the husband. He had a child with another woman while she was ill. That's not much of a husband. That's not much of a judge.

CHOLLYBYGOLLY

.....Obviously you are not familiar with the nuances of the law ...

.....If the State gasses an invalid then they are killers ...if the State just stops feeding an invalid or prevents others from feeding that person ...then the person died of natural causes and the State is not responsible ...

.....If you can understand that then you are fluent in newspeak ...the person did not die ...they became non-living .....COLOSSUS

LIVING WILL
I have a Living Will so it is very clear to anyone that I do not wish to be kept alive in a vegetative state.
Just pain medication if the Dr thinks I need it.

My husband was in the hospital for 10 days with surgery for a VERY large kidney stone which could not be passed.
Across the hall was a young lady whose parents would not allow the tube to be removed and the nurses were concerned because they did not know how much pain she was in so they just kept medicating her.

LIVING WILL
My sister-in-law was in the hospital having to be hit with the paddles ets. just about every 20 minutes.
I was finally able to talk to the dr. and explain that her son told us what the Dr. was saying and we understood it but he did not want to hear it so he didn't
They stopped treatment and she was dead in 20 minutes.
It would have been cruesl to keep her alive any longer.

Eastlake Joe
I don't recall anywhere in the article that the woman asked to be intubated. If the GI tube was placed in her body without her express consent it seems to me that it is just as cruel as you think removing it would be. Why is it that the fight to extend life is always met with some sort of holier-than-thou, "gee we're noble for saving this life" kind of attitude, but to speak of the cruelty of prolonging a life lived in a vegetative state is somehow cruel? The cruelty lies in the selfishness of the people trying to force a body to extend metabolic functioning long after the soul has left.

Living Will
Ten years ago, my mother had a massive stroke. She had a Living Will and begged me never to leave her hooked up to all kinds of tubes, etc. When I saw her in the hospital, hooked up, her mouth out of shape from a plastic piece, I knew what we had to do. The Dr. talked with the family and told us she would only be a vegetable if she lived. My mother was a beautiful woman, neat in every way and I simply did not want her to live like that. Afer family discussion, we had the tubes pulled and she lived two weeks in the nursing home. I prayed for God's Angels to come and get her and they did the day I prayed. I have no regrets, I did what she wanted done, I fulfilled her wishes. My husand and I went immediately and had our Living Will papers filled out and notorized. So for these people who want to watch someone every day dwindle to nothing with no sign of life, I think it's a guilt trip you are on. I pray our children will follow through with our wishes. For others reading this, get you a Living Will. Most hospitals have them.

No matter what a persons conscious state
or number of living healthy brain cells happens to be... A person created in the image of God will never ever be a vegetable.

Who are you, those that think you can define the "value" of a human being based on your own self-perceived criteria of what is the physical and mental "gold standards" for what a human being should be at any state in their human development, or life?

Someday we will all stand before God and answer to these things. Pitbulls have more rights than people, isn't that ironic?

Beckie
As quite a few of the people here know I have a handicapped son. He cannot make his wishes known and can't even tell us when he is in pain. He ambulates quite well and is a loving boy. does this mean that if he gets sick that we now should remove food and water? Remember now, he meets two of the problems of both terry and karen. See, it's not so cut and dried as you would lead everyone to believe.

Addendum
We also personally know of a woman who was in a comma 17 years. Her diagnosis was persistant vegetative state (PVS) the same diagnosis of Terry and she came out of the coma and talks, writes,eats and drinks on her own,and is an avid reader. She needs treatment and isn't mobile but her daughter manages her affairs and over sees her at a nursing home. So please don't tell me it never happens.

Holland is a great example
Here is some information that is informative: In Holland just a few years ago, euthanasia was reserved for people who were in extreme pain and could be certified as wanting death--and that was not respected then, with doctors killing whoever they wanted; now, however euthanasia is being imposed willynilly.

And that is exactly what the libs/lefties like Jeffc3p0 want for the United States, and it will happen if every person who opposes the cheapening of life doesn't FIGHT the libs/lefties.

Choices
I followed Terri's case through high school and beyond, I've read all the books written about her since then too. Here is my personal opinion. People should be able to die the way they see fit. And if I've learned anything its that EVERYTHING needs to be in writing. That way the families can't battle it out in court for 5+ years. I think the Schindler family has every right to greive and to have their opinion heard, but I truly believe Terri (even though I didn't know her) wouldn't have wanted to stay alive in her condition. My heart goes out to all the families across the country that deal with issues such as these. That is way having your wishes in writing is so important. Remember that.

Belittling Terri's Husband
I wonder if any of have read his book. Terri-The Truth. You'd be amazed. And to assume that he wanted to take the judgement money and spend it on his new wife is insane. The money Terri received for her care was completely depleted by the continuous court battles and the lawyers for Mr.Schiavo were working pro bono...that speaks volumes. People need to read and not jump to conclusions..

Terri's husband belittled her
I've also read Michael Schiavo's book, and it confirmed my worst impressions of him. Moreover, I know that I sure as hell wouldn't want my so-called husband making life and death decisions for me if he was living with another woman. When the husband of a healthy women has an extra-marital relationship, he is regarded as a hound dog. When the husband of a severely handicapped woman does it, he can remain depicted as a "loving husband."

Loving Husbands Don't Murder The Wife
To use the money intended for Terri's rehab. on lawyers hired to make it possible for the philandering husband to have her intentionally starved and dehydrated to death is a crime against humanity that is YET to be adequately addressed. What happened to Terri amounted to state-sanctioned spousal abuse to the point of cold-blooded murder. No one even gave a reasonable excuse for the many broken bones Terri was found to have suffered at some point before her hospitalization. For all we know, Michael may have been responsible for that which started the entire tragedy for Terri in the first place. Something must be done to better protect the disabled community in the future.

Abuse? Are you Crazy?
Michael didn't abuse his wife, there is NO proof of that. If you read his book and the others out there how could you come to that conclusion? If your husband or wife was in a permenant vegitatve state for 4+ years with no hope of ever recovering or becoming his/her normal self, wouldn't you try to move on with your life?? He still cared for Terri on a consistant basis, where were her parents before the "money" came into the picture? NO WHERE. They didn't care about what she wanted, they wanted money to support a life they were used too before their life didnt end up how they planned...money is the root of all evil. And Michael is not evil and his wife and children do not deserve the names they are called or anything negative.

Was anything barbaric ?
in the manner Terri was forced to die ? Yes or No ? Read Judge Greer's ruling carefully and the only answer is yes. Since it was barbaric, there was an evilness about it and " those who fail to protest against evil are really just cooperating with it " ( Famous quote of whom the author escapes my memory at this time "

Despicable and Wrong Liberals
After several discussions/debates, concerning the case of Terri Schindler Schiavo, with "enlightened" forward thinking, liberals/progressives, I can always get them to defend the "right to die" as long as medical professionals are thoroughly and actively involved, overseeing and supervising the patient's "wishes". This most certainly corrupts the medical profession, where doctors at one time took an oath to do no harm to their patients.
Everything seems upside down and backwards in our modern society. Evil is now good. Good is now evil. Wrong is right. Right is wrong.
A futuristic thinking liberal describes himself/herself with the attacks they use on their political opponents. When they go on the attack with their baseless charges and accusations, they describe themselves. They favor euthanasia and call those who oppose it a nazi, fascist. Starve an animal or mistreat one, and that is met with outrage from a liberal. The liberals line up to support sparing the life of a murderer on death row, and yet rally in support of Michael Schiavo starving and denying water to his wife, Terri.
Again, right is wrong and wrong is right. Evil is good and good is evil to the despicable modern day liberal.

Personal Wishes
I have been asked whether or not to put my wife on life support, and I know personally how difficult that decision is. The decision was mine to make. Fortunately my wife pulled through. The discussion needs to be, inform your spouse of what you would like done and when. The discussion needs to be inclusions of living wills so that the person responsible for the decision has a basis as to what your wishes are. This is formost in my mind a sanctity of marriage issue. My wife has the right to make that desicion and I gave her that right by marrying her. I want her to listen to my parents and friends, then make the decision she feels is right. If my parents and friends disagree; sorry, it is her decision and hers alone, as it was mine to make for her.

Right to die...
I find it ironic that many people support killing a person via the death penalty yet they refuse to let a person in a vegetative state die with whatever dignity they may still have. Where's that sense of compassion, or 'values' when a fellow human being is about to be murdered by the federal government? Isn't that life sacred also? If you are for capital punishment, then for God's sake, let a sick person die with dignity! What's more, unless you've been there and watched a loved one in a vegetative state, you really shouldn't opine one way or the other.
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