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Friday, October 17, 2008
Bob Barr :: Townhall.com Columnist
Time For Real Economic Reform
by Bob Barr
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After several huge, government bailouts, and other measures placing trillions of taxpayer dollars at risk, the nation’s financial system remains far from stable. There is much more work that needs to be done before the economy will return to its growth path, but it cannot be more of the same, heavy-handed government mandates that have failed us time and again.

The ongoing financial crisis demonstrates why, first, we must limit political interference in the economy. It was sustained federal pressure to increase mortgage lending, through Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, as well as the Community Reinvestment Act, which helped generate the huge economic bubble that just burst at great cost to every American.

Limiting political interference in the economy also requires limiting the ability of the Federal Reserve to manipulate the currency for political purposes. The Fed’s “easy money” policy over the last decade greatly contributed to an artificial increase in lending and property values. Unfortunately, it is the drop in those values which is the basis of today’s crisis. The ill-advised loosening of SEC regulations that had been in place to insure solvency and transparency in the operation of major investment firms, also contributed to the current financial crisis.

We must improve financial regulation to emphasize integrity and transparency. Many government agencies impose many regulations on the financial industry, but the quality of corporate and bank balance sheets remains unclear in too many cases. For instance, inter-bank lending has dropped because banks don’t know which banks are in trouble. We need better, more consistent regulation—not more regulation. Additionally, the laws and regulations on the books – supposed to insure integrity, transparency and soundness in financial institutions – must be enforced (as they have not been in recent years).

Government economic policies need to more effectively emphasize job creation. The best solution to unemployment is increased employment, not creating or expanding social benefits. That means permanently lowering tax rates and simplifying taxes. In contrast, cutting rates or adding credits for a couple of years offers no sustained relief or incentive for growth. Temporary, politically based fixes provide no sound basis on which companies and financial institutions are to able to make sound, long-term plans for hiring, inventory and production.

It is necessary to reform the overall tax system. Adjusting it at the edges with, for example, a deduction here or a credit there always will be less effective than lowering and simplifying overall rates. We must make the U.S. a warmer home for economic entrepreneurship and investment; not a temporary haven.

Moreover, rather than approve new bailouts, the federal government should cut regulatory burdens on hard-hit businesses. Environmental rules are noteworthy for their cost and inefficiency, for instance. It makes more sense to relax, or, better yet, end Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards on vehicles, which have imposed a huge cost burden on the auto industry, than to provide the companies with billions of dollars in loans in order to help them meet ever-increasing regulatory mandates.

Washington should carefully reconsider its regulatory strategies more broadly. Policymakers should initiate a detailed audit of federal rules, relaxing or eliminating any regulations for which costs outweigh benefits.

Fixing federal tax and regulatory policies also is necessary to improve America’s competitiveness in the global economy. The U.S. retains many advantages over other industrialized states, but has fallen well behind in tax policy. With economic turmoil at home, America cannot afford to lose its comparative advantage elsewhere.

Obviously, many of these steps will take time to implement – but we must start. And, in the short-term, government should look for ways to ease the burden on people hit hard by the current crisis. For example, Washington should reduce penalties on people for delayed tax payments and premature withdrawals from IRAs.

Policymakers also need to formally and clearly end the bailouts. This step is critical to promote private economic retrenchment and corporate work-outs. Significant financial cutbacks are painful, but inevitable. However, companies will resist taking these necessary steps if they believe they can count on a federal bailout. Distortions caused by government injecting billions of dollars into certain preferred banks and not others, only further impedes essential market based decisions by banks and other financial institutions to bring the markets back into balance.

Nonessential federal spending must be cut. With the 2008 fiscal year budge deficit close to $500 billion, and the 2009 deficit now expected to run at least $750 billion and as much as $1 trillion, we can no longer afford frivolous special interest outlays.

Over the longer term, we must deal with the mountain of future federal liabilities and obligations—FDIC bank guarantees, Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation promises, Social Security and Medicare liabilities, and more. So far just in the past few weeks, the federal government has undertaken roughly $2 trillion in bailouts. Total unfunded liabilities for Social Security and Medicare, that is, the excess of promised benefits over expected revenues, exceeds $100 trillion -- more than 50 times as much as these recent, costly bailouts!

Still, nothing is being done to address the looming fiscal catastrophe they portend.

Although the federal government can try to bail-out everyone else, there is no one to bail-out the federal government. We won’t be able to count on the Chinese, Japanese, or anyone else to purchase our increasingly high mountain of debt.

The American people have repeatedly demonstrated their capacity to meet great challenges. The government must stop interfering with their ability to prepare for future challenges. America can and must once again lead the world in economic power and growth, through exercise of a free-market economy; not follow meekly behind the U.K. and our other European friends that for decades have been pushing our country to emulate their model of centrally-managed economies.

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Bob Barr is the 2008 Libertarian nominee for President of the United States.
 
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No, MaryStella

Barr's a placeholder for the "conservatives NOT for McCain" vote. A convenient way to tabulate numbers.


If he had an actual chance of winning, your statements of his stances on issues might be more meaningful.


Great point on Economy,
Still does not makes Mr. Barr qualify for presidency, his other extreem views, such as opposing patriot act, or opposing putting more men or wall on our southern borders, just does not make sense. Especially, when Mr. Barr teamed with ACLU and sued the Bush administration on Iraq.
He does have some good points.
On national security not qualified for U.S President, should be a strong defender on war on terror, and Mr. Barr is not.
Those voting for Mr.Barr, are voting for a mirage.

VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE
Romans 13 says God will select our President. So why should any Christian be concerned about their one vote helping to elect the “wrong” person.

Vote your conscience folks – let God handle the outcome.

Bob, Right on the issues
great article. To bad the fascists won't let you, and Nader into the debates.

Feetsee, re: Baldwin
he's on the FL ballot.

But whether he's on a particular state's ballot or not, it would be nice to have his opinions here on TH.

Battered supporter syndrome
I used to be a battered Republican supporter. They'd do me wrong, and then I'd make excuses for them and would continue to support them. Not any more. If you aren't conservative, then I'm not voting for you, even if your opponent is the lesser evil. Senator McAmnesty is not a conservative. Bob Barr for President!

Feetsee

Can't do it here in Leftifornia, either. I checked on the SecState website.

so.... Barr 2008!

EQUAL TIME, PLEASE!!!
I hope the editors at Townhall will now allow a column from Chuck Baldwin, the Constitutional party's presidential candidate. After all, the Constitution party has the third largest voter registration after the Republicans and Democrats.

A big shout-out to Scarlet Pimpernel in Georgia and others who think they can't vote for Baldwin: he is on the ballot in most states, or a write-in candidate for a good majority. I only see two states, NC and OK, where you can't cast a vote for him. Check out constitutionparty.com and click on the ballot access banner on the left side of the page for more information.



PasPhil,
You are on firm ground when you say that a vote for Barr is indeed a vote for Barr and not for anyone else. Trying to show that a vote for Barr is a vote for McCain though, not so much. Your pretending to be an Obama voter is obviously not very convincing, though the name calling does lend a bit of authenticity.

The advantage of a non-swing state
Since the odds of Texas going for Obama are roughly the same as the moon plunging into the earth, I have the freedom to vote for Barr without it helping Obama.

Let's hear it for the electoral college!

Well, Jamak

As I wrote earlier to someone else, you're doing a great job of making the same argument the WHIGs did against the fledgling GOP.




Bob Barr's
a decent guy with good ideas. But those voting for him in this election cycle are not very pragmatic. And the end of the day, realistically and practically only two candidates can win the presidency - Obama and McCain. I do not agree with McCain on a number of issues, but I agree with him on about 70% of the issues, and with Obama about 0.5%. The politics of a democracy force you to have to form alliances with people that you don't agree with all of the time - which you have to in order to further your own agenda. And this time the choice for the voter is between the only two viable candidates, and for the conservative it is John McCain.
Bob Barr shouldn't wait around for an election to come around to get into the fray. He should do what Obama's been doing over that last 15 years of his career - that is positioning himself in becoming a viable candidate. Barr waiting till the last moment to jump in is poor judgement, and frankly detrimental to the conservative agenda.

AG1650
Where does it say to bail out anyone or have govt retraining jobs or to prop up someone's home values or dole out checks to pay for healthcare? OK, Mac read the preamble but does he comprehend it?

America First
POTUS McCain's policies will be directed at winning the economic war. He stinks at making it clear. Read the preamble of the Constitution. He has.

Lolo1
"I would like to hear more from him."

And thus another catch 22 problem with the system as it works today is brought to the top.

Barr and other current or past 3rd party candidates have been excluded from debates and media coverage because they have low polling numbers or don't get a high enough percentage of the previous election cycle which they had a candidate in.

But without coverage or participation they have a hard time getting their name out there to get better polling numbers or more votes.

Some people who do hear of them take the position of "I might vote for that person IF I knew more about them and their positions." Since they don't know enough about the candidate they play it safe and vote for a known candidate.

Others take the position as seen above, a vote for X is a default vote for Y, so to prevent Y from winning I'll vote for Z.

Voters who take these positions help keep viable 3rd parties out of the running due to the way the system works. So we have two choices;

1. Get a 3rd party into the running by giving it our support (polling and votes) so the system has to include them in debates and coverage.

2. Revolt in mass, overthrow the system that excludes 3rd parties, remove & replace all sitting office holders, and force the will of the people on our elected representatives.

I doubt the later will happen short of a major situation that wakes up the dumb masses, so the only other option is to show support for 3rd parties and get one or two into a position of being a viable alternative to one with two sides we have today.

Since the Republican party has turned it's back on true conservative ideals, then we true conservative voters should turn our back on any GOP candidate and vote for 3rd party or independent candidates.

That may mean it takes an election cycle ot two to get them recognized, but that may be the price we have to pay to get better representation in the future.

To InsightingTruth
Hey there InsightingTruth,

Yes, I kind of took a break from commenting on the boards for a long time. I kept on reading my favorites: Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and Stossel (and some others here and there). But I refrained from joining in on the conversations for awhile.

I've gotten so angry lately with what's happening, the bailout I think was the tipping point (it seems to be the same for a lot of others) that I felt I needed to participate somehow.

Take care, I look forward to reading your posts and others, it seems to be a pretty good community here (with the occasional throwing of tomatoes) :D

I like Baldwin better BUT
he's not on many state ballots, dangit. Barr in a pinch will do.

As for the BarrVoteEqualsObama vote inanity, following y'all's logic, the only two parties that America should have EVER HAD WERE:
The Federalists and the Democratic Republican Party. (hint - these were the first two major parties in America)

And some wags would note that we STILL have one of these two parties around...

My Apologies
I just wanted to apologize for something I said in my comments. I made mention that McCain will lose, and I really shouldn't do that. After I thought about it I realized that sounds like the drive by media type of talk. Not only that, but there's no way to properly tell if McCain can win or not, being that polls are often wrong and suspect to "tweaking".

The gist of my comments are that a vote for McCain or Obama is a wasted vote if you want smaller government and more liberty.

But if you really support a specific politician's philosophy then I don't think it's a wasted vote.

There, now I feel better.

The Maverick.
McCain is the Republican Party nominee only because of the party’s disintegration, the shattering of the party’s center as Bush had constructed it, and the conservative inability to coalesce even as a faction amid the ruins. For the same reason, McCain’s difficulties—all of them—stem from the implosion of the Republican Party under Bush.

McCain’s most virulent enemies have not been Democrats. Some of his best friends are Democrats—and not just Joe Lieberman. He is a maverick as a Republican in that he has few if any enemies on his left but only on his right. He truly hates only Republicans, from Bush to Tom DeLay. And the feeling is mutual. Since the dirty tricks campaign in the GOP South Carolina primary of 2000, he has sought vengeance against those who violated him—the gang of operatives who aided and abetted Bush’s campaign against him, many of them close to DeLay—including Jack Abramoff, whose crimes McCain through his chairmanship of the Indian Affairs Committee exposed.

The Bush White House intensely dislikes him today, regarding him as a hopeless politician. Despite his selection of Palin, the right remains wary of him. They back him out of the desire for power, not shared values or politics. Mistrust continues to plague McCain within the GOP.

Hardly anybody within the Republican Party trusts him—not the White House, not Bush’s close allies, not business, not evangelicals, not conservatives generally. Many of McCain’s shifts have been necessary to allay the right’s long-held and well-founded suspicions of his betrayals. Every time McCain moves to his right, it is because he’s not trusted within his own party.

So, vote for Obama, vote for Barr, or vote for the Maverick. Just understand, that his enemies are on the right, his friends are on the left, and Democrats will have solid control of the House and the Senate.

Pasadena Phil
I think it all rests on the assumption I just wrote about, that they believe McCain is entitled to my vote, so if I don't give it to him it is a "lost" vote that he otherwise would/should have had. That view, in turn, rests on the false dilemma that there are only two choices in the election.

Retired Geek
No more generalities. McCain has no better idea how to handle the subprime crisis than Obama does. If he does, he sure isn't showing it, which is what really counts. Iraq is being taken over by the Iraqis and there's no way McCain or anyone else has the will or the public support to attack Iran's nuclear program; we can only pray that Israel does. The notion that McCain would nominate originalist judges makes me laugh.

My greatest concern is cap and trade. The Dems will not pass it without substantial cover from Repubs, which a President McCain would provide in terms of his signature and the Repub votes he can deliver in Congress. If the Repubs in Congress promise to fight cap and trade when President Obama proposes it, the Dems will cave in and not even bring it to a vote. They cannot accept the full blame for such a disaster.

Please explain your plan to stop cap and trade under a McCain administration. And please, no appeals to hoping that McCain has a change of heart. You might as well hope that Obama has a change of heart on whatever you dislike about his policies.


Your hysterical rhetoric about "survival" and "safety and wellfare of America and its citizens" is the same election-year fear-mongering that the GOP has long used to keep conservatives in line and voting for "moderates." I'm sick of GOP "pale pastels" slowly creeping us toward socialism rather than quickly as the Dems would do. You can't scare me with that. I'm far more scared of our country being the proverbial lobster slowly cooked alive without realizing it.

It's the Economy.
Ironic, is it not. Barr provides the most clarity on the economy, and economic issues in general, of these candidates. However, there are other issues, and some disagree on those. Iraq, for example. However, the Iraqi's have already decided that we must leave, and it's timing. It is no longer a debate - even here. So, does it matter whether or not what we now call it? Not much, at least in my book. Then, we have Afghanistan. But there isn't really much separation between any of these candidates on that country. Nor, I might add, much of a solution either. We've prioritized Iraq at the expense of the Afghan's, and the country has been sliding down hill. Not that it ever was anything other than a series of territories controlled by "warlords" - which is still the case. And, without the Pakistani's, the odds of getting to Bin Laden, as we've seen, are almost nil, and that country is politically unstable right now - to say the least.

The irony is, that if we don't start getting the economy right, and the deficits, and the issues of the increasing influence over our economy by countries who own our debt, and who we now rely on for our very ability to function, then the rest isn't going to matter very much.



Retired Geek and others
A vote for Barr is a vote for Barr. A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama. A vote for McCain is a vote for McCain.

Or is a vote for Barr a half a vote for Obama? What about not voting? Is that also a half a vote for Obama? I can never make sense of the yarns you guys try to spin about when a vote for someone is actually a vote for that person. Is the theory that McCain is entitled to my vote and how dare I deprive him of it? And by depriving him of it, I'm sort of giving Obama half a vote?

No one is the rightful recipient of my vote; it must be earned. McCain doesn't have to be ideologically identical to me, but he would have to be much more conservative to earn my vote.

Unlike Paolo, I believe there are plenty of good, conservative Repubs who deserve to be elected to Congress this year. I will not vote for Libertarian candidates except for POTUS.

Rowly and Robert

I wonder if you realize that your arguments for supporting McCain and ignoring Barr are the same arguments the WHIGs used to make in the 1850s regarding the then-nascent GOP.

As we now know, the WHIGs became extinct, REPLACED by the GOP.

It may well be time to do that again, if they don't get their act together, drop the neo-con RINO approach to governance, and rediscover conservatism.

Who needs a "second party" that's simply a slightly "moderate" version of the other? The Dem-Lites?


Economically
speaking I agree with Barr, but it is the other issues that I don't agree with him on.

However this is a well written column and I would like to hear more from him.

From FishRiverMonger
Here's the facts:
-Barr is in the undecided states NOT to get McCain votes but to get the UNDECIDED votes so that the LP Party can get 5% matching funds in 2012. Thanks to McCain sponsored legislation, third parties are screwed and McCane actually screwed himself.
-Since McCane has alienated large numbers of conservatives, hopefully they will go to the polls and vote for Barr that will cause them to vote for other conservatives running for Congress to keep Obama in line. A one party goverment at this time is not good.

Some of the comments above reinforce my belief that there are more idiots per capita income in the USA than any other place in the world.

A Vote For McCain Is A Vote For Obama
Vote for the real conservative, Bob Barr. Don't waste your vote on a Democrat-Lite.

Retired Geek
Just to show how stupid that argument that a vote for Barr is a vote for Obama, I will your idiotic logic to convert my vote for Barr into a vote for McCain.

I am planning to vote for Obama. Does that bother you? Well obsess about that for a while. I won't make up my mind until the ballot is in my hand and I am about to make my mark. At the last moment, I will vote for Barr after ALMOST voting to Obama.

Does that help you and the other noseholding bozos understand how utterly stupid you are?

Real Economic Reform
Paulson is just trying to “bail out” a few of his big bucks buddies at taxpayers’ expense. America better completely disregard this bozo and look at the problem from a clean slate approach. Flow chart and diagram in detail the whole Ponzi scheme of the financial industry. Determine exactly what went wrong and why. Assign fair blame and seriously punish wrongdoing. Create new, better rules/laws to make the financial industry more honest, transparent, and accountable. Include “just right” oversight by regulatory agencies. This will take time, lots of time but if we don’t want a repeat of this or worse in 5-10 years then we need to do it right…now.

eddie too:
It's not about opposing Obama! It's about what's good for America. Remaining forever engaged in the post, parry, re-post of the two dimensional continuum of our current political paradigm is madness. McCain cannot win. It is impossible. Look at even the most optimistic analysis of the electoral college. It's over!

Don't waste your vote on McCain. Your country needs you. Vote for something. Don't just vote against Obama.

A vote for Barr might stop the insanity
Eddie too writes:
"A vote for Barr definitely helps Obama"

Which McBama? the one with the (R) behind his name or the one with the (D) behind his name?

Both candidates supported fiscal doom on us...the only solution to the fire is to throw more gas on it.

McCain had his perfect chance...the election could have been his....he could have been a man of the people....he could have been "the maverick".......he could have opposed the bailout. If he had, I would have even voted for him based on that.

Instead, he sealed his fate...at least with me..... I'm voting for Bob Barr. So, we end with McBama as president, and we are doomed to massive depression as government does all the wrong things to "fix" the crisis.

Robert:
The race is not tight. The MSM is tricking people into thinking there is a race to maintain interest in election coverage. It's just money to them.

Liberty Dave:
It's great to see you back at TH again. Were you on some kind of extended sabbatical?

A vote for Barr definitely helps Obama

unless the voter's second choice is Obama. Then of course, Obama is one vote less. But if the second choice is McCain, voting for Barr instead belies any voters' declarations that they oppose Obama.

Please don't waste you vote this year!
I am a Libertarian who agrees with many more of Bob Barr's positions than those of John McCain. However, it's vital for everyone to realize that each Libertarian vote we cast for Barr will inevitably bring Barack Obama one step closer to the Presidency. In a race as tight as this one, a few percentage points can make all the difference in the world.

If we elect a socialist leader this November with a socialist Congress already in place, we stand to lose many of the freedoms we now hold dear. Politicians, particularly dishonest ones, can do a lot of damage in four years! John McCain, whether we like him or not, would be much more likely to protect those freedoms than Obama. Why would any Libertarian, when it comes to preserving individual liberties, prefer to see America take ten steps backwards under Obama rather than standing still under McCain?

Losing our freedoms would be an awfully heavy price to pay just to satisfy Bob Barr's ego. Four years of Barack Obama may take forty long years for us to recover from. Please, friends, think carefully about making your vote count on November 4!

Christopher Parisho
I agree with you on your dislike of Barr's Iraq opinion.

I like the Libertarians much more than any other party, but I define myself more as a radical, like the founding fathers (and like Walter Williams, my idol).

I support pre-emptive strikes when there is great evidence that our country's safety is in danger, or our allies. I don't think we should pull out of Iraq immediately.

But most everything else I agree with Bob Barr on.

Rowly: Useless Idiot
You may call the Libertarian party candidate a "useful idiot" or other names, it makes no matter. You're welcome to your opinion, as are others.

People such as yourself are useless in my opinion, because you pull out the same garbage talk every election cycle.

"You must vote for one of the two major parties or you're just helping the Democrats win!"

Keep up the vicious cycle Rowly. You and others are the ones helping our country head towards bigger and bigger government.

As other posters said, McCain will not win this election, your vote for him is wasted, or just another vote for another big government politician.

Let's just wait until the next election cycle, you and others like you will be saying the same thing, it never ends.

Catch 22
The position expressed by Bob Bar in this column is the same as mine. I agree with him both on the cause and the solution he has stated.

Ideologically I side with Libertarians the most, and as every year passes and Republicans stray further from the founding ideals of their own party I side less with them and more with Libertarians.

The ONLY ideal I disagree with Bob Barr on in this election cycle is his position that we are an occupying force in Iraq. I might agree with him if his position if he said we entered Iraq due to bad intelligence, and mismanaged the initial peace keeping and rebuilding phase. I would agree that we should not still be in Iraq, but making it a political action (as the Democrats have tried to do) has drawn out the action and resulted our being there much longer than necessary.

Anyway, back to the catch 22.

I am torn.

I feel that the politicians in D.C. are drunk on and addicted to the power they have. The career politicians need to be removed and we need to put new people in D.C who will do what is right for the country, not what will get them elected over and over again.

I hate the idea of an Obama Presidency, especially with Democrats in control, but maybe what the voters of this country need to wake up and see just how bad things are is to have our political leadership "hit bottom" and drag us all into a severe recession or depression. Then we the people can once again unite to replace the elected officials and rebuild our nation for the better.

Where I'm torn is; do I vote how I feel and believe is the right way to go forward with the future, or do I vote to minimize the pain in the here and now.

Right now I lean towards voting for Barr on principal, and dealing with the pain if Obama wins.

Barr is NOT a Conservative
No wonder he is here at Townhall!!

Retired Geek
The argument that voting for a good candidate instead of voting for the lesser of two evils is then helping the evil candidate in office has some truths to it.

However, every single election a lot of conservatives say the same thing. It's a vicious cycle that will slowly bring about the downfall of our country.

What are you going to say when we basically have two outright socialists running for president? That we still have to vote for the lesser of two evils because one of the socialists preaches Karl Marx while the other one only makes vague references to him?

If you keep voting for more socialism that's what we're going to get. So get off your high horse and vote for a radical for a change (our founding fathers were considered radicals, too) or else our country will continue to head towards more and more socialism.

We can stop it, but you can't keep running in the same vicious circle every election.

Kind regards to you all.

Rowly:
I do not call names. In all my posts regarding the two wholly unqualified candidates foisted upon the country by the two major parties, not once have I used terms like "McLame" or "Obamanation." So, whoever it is that you think cast the first stone, it wasn't me.

You came out of the box calling Barr a "useful idiot." Why? Do you know anything about him? Bob Barr is not my first choice, but he is loads better the Obama or McCain, and the Libertarians genuinly want to reduce the size and intrusiveness of government.

McCain is going to lose this election. That is not an opinion, that is a fact. It is a fact just as gravity is a fact. No one can say with absolute certainty that the next time you stumble you will fall to the ground; you could simply float, but the chances are near absolute that you are destined to become better acquainted with the earth. McCain's loss can be predicted with that same level of certainty.

There are a few people out there, die-hards, that just can't accept that the race is over. As I, and others, have pointed out since the NH primary, McCain was not chosen by republicans. His support among republican is tepid at best. The numbers are not there for a McCain victory. To go on and on about a vote for a third party candidate is a "proxy" vote for Obama is nonsense.

For good or ill, we've been handed an opportunity, an opportunity to vote for a 3rd party without effecting this election. I appeal to everyone to use this opportunity to break the two party duopoly. It may not work, but we have nothing to lose by trying.


Barr has my vote
I do really get tired of the wasted vote syndrome. The only wasted vote is one not cast. McCain nor Obama have my support, they are wrong on the issues, I can't even tell them apart. We need solutions, not govmt control.

InsightingTruth
Who cast the first aspersion? I made a pledge when I started reading and posting at townhall,not to get in the mud with pigs. In other words,I state my opinion and it is not up for debate. You should do the same. I am done with you.

Michael Medved
Michael Medved, who refers to Libertarians as "Losertarians", has two choices regarding my vote, I vote for Bob Barr and other Libertarians or I don't vote.

The DEMS or the Republicans, at any level, simply don't have a clue.

Rowly:
If I knew, I wouldn't ask.

Does it make you feel better when you cast aspersions at people you don't even know?

Insighting Lies
What do you think?

Rowly, Rowly, Rowly,...
...do you really come up with this stuff yourself?

Objectively....
For fiscal conservatives Black Marx and Juan McBush shouldn't be options. The choice should be whether you vote for Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin.

Bob Barr,Useful Idiot
I would like to ask Barr just what he plans to get from his run this year. He knows it will only help the left. Has he gone over to the dark side?

If he had planned this run,he should have had a grass-roots organization long ago. If he worked against Obama this year and continued to build toward a run in the next election,he would have more backers.

As it is,if Obama wins,Barr will be tainted as an enabler. Then,I would NEVER support him,even though he is from Georgia.

A Modest Proposal....
Look, Republicans. Your red-faced, angry, foul-mouthed little candidate is gonna lose big time, no matter what you do.

Why not at least make things interesting, and vote en masse for Bob Barr? If you vote your consciences, instead of trying to "pick the winner," you might even give Barr a couple of states like Georgia and Alabama.

If Barr could get, say twenty percent of the vote at McCain's expense, we would have at least a viable third party for the future.

A vote for McCain is truly wasted, if you stand for smaller government.

While you're at it, vote for the Libertarian in your local congressional race. If we could get fifteen or twenty Libertarian congressmen, we would at least get a cadre of articulate people to talk about the need to shrink the government. Republicans have demonstrated, in spades, that they have absolutely no intention of doing this.

It's time to build for the future. No matter what he does, Obama is going to inherit a real dung pile of an economy. He's going to try to "fix" it the typical Democratic/Republican way: inflate the currency and pour the funny money into a bunch of useless (or harmful) programs. Of course, it won't work.

Maybe, after four years of Depression, we'll be ready to run a viable Libertarian.

Toss the Republican Party onto the ash pile of history!


Barr for Pres
As a person who voted Republican about 80% of the time, I generally gave them the benefit of the doubt. But no more. I will vote for people who want less govt; it seems the GOP concurs in bailouts for banks and companies, which implies a trend toward socialism. While Barr is a bit isolationist for my liking, his views are closer to mine than McCain.

Scott & Retired Geek:
Voting for McCain is the wasted vote this election cycle. McCain will not win. He cannot win. He never had any chance of winning. See Matt Towery's column for more insight on the subject.

Guys, the MSM has inadvertently handed us the opportunity to break the liberal grip on the election process. Don't blow it by voting for McCain! You cannot stop Obama from becoming President. But you can short circuit his bid for a second term, by voting 3rd party this time around.

My choice is Bob Barr, and I think I can defend that choice. However, even if you cast your vote for Nader, you will be doing more for your countries future than if you waste your vote on McCain. You two seriously need to rethink your obstinacy.

Barr, Another Late Complainer?
Barr is another one who didn't have the gonads to oppose the pre-bailout syndrome that has been going on for 20 years or so. So now, among others he is among those who say -- I told you to close the barn door or the jackass*s would get loose. Barr quote: "The American people have repeatedly demonstrated their capacity to meet great challenges." American people - who? Those who voted for Klintoon, Jorge Bush, etc.? Most of the American people are those who are living in fantasy land, land of the free everything, and where the pigeons never come home to roost -- aided by our ev er bigger government.

Barr vote is a proxy vote for Obama
Rationalizations for Obama

The complex process the human mind uses to arrive at decision-making has been the topic of many volumes.

One consensus that is generally held is the human mind can justify any decision and any action that it takes.

Rationalization is the mortal enemy of facts, logic and reason.

Rationalization is in ‘simple’ terms, a defense mechanism that attempts to explain bad decisions or behavior in a rational logical manner.

Rationalizing that a vote for any candidate that cannot win is not a vote for Obama gives us a prime example of rationalization.

Rationalizing that a ‘symbolic’ vote will teach the major parties a lesson contrasts the reality of their premise that the major parties ‘do not know what they are doing’ and ‘haven’t learned from the past’.

Teaching 'Politicians' a lesson is oxymoronic at best - Obama-Followers will vote for Obama regardless.

Third party votes at this time in history, is simply a 'proxy' vote for Obama that gives one a feeling of 'superior' Patriotism, I guess.

Rationalizing that ones closely held principles trump the safety and wellfare of America and its citizens is little different from those who want America destroyed.

Those who say we need to return to the Constitution that many Americans have left or attempted to destroy will be best accomplished by giving Obama and Liberals their desires and wishes to control America, is akin to giving children matches and gasoline.

The children will surely learn a lesson if survival succeeds in overcoming the odds.

Rationalizing that an Obama presidency will be good for America in the long run defies facts, logic and reason.

McCain/Palin 08

Limit Government

I agree we must change the system so that regulation isn't manipulating value and risk.

I think though the ONLY way to get traction on real reform is to severely limit government.

There are SO MANY departments that shouldn't even me in existence. Half of non-military government jobs could be transfered to the private sector.

Barack Obama's means of job creation is to hire more government workers.

WE MUST HAVE PRIVATE SECTOR GROWTH NOT GOV'T GROWTH.

Cannot have BO,Pelosi,Reid trifecta
I would love to vote for Bob Barr as his philosophy is MUCH closer to what we need than McCain. But I cannot waste a vote against BO. We cannot have the Reid and Pelosi unchecked ru(in)ning this country.

KISS - "Keep it Simple Stupid"
16.000+ pages tax code - is sheer MADNESS!

America has systematically squeezed out just about every major industry that produces tangible wealth, with excessive regulatory burdens meant more to justify and grow bureaucracies than any other purpose. Corporate taxes, one of the highest in the world.

Selling hamburgers to each other or healthcare services, financial services do NOT produce tangible wealth!

The only way out of our de-facto bankrupt status is to grow our economy by again producing tangible wealth.
Tangible wealth : steel, autos, appliances, electronics, shoes, apparel, etc,

Our housing industry, after the extensive meddling by government, is flat on it's face and will take a decade or more to stand up again.
Agriculture, extensive frivolous regulations and high taxes are pushing this industry to produce increasingly offshore, in spite of ridiculous subsidies that sabotage inovation and excellence.
Financial Services - Once centered in NY now being diluted globally to places like London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Zurich etc.
Healthcare, bullied by trial lawyers and insurance companies, increasingly unaffordable by both business and individuals.
The only way out is a flat tax, eliminate capital gains taxes and all corporate taxes, then maybe, just maybe, we could lure back some of our lost entrepreneurial spirit and with it, jobs.

Outstanding column

The ONLY presidential candidate who sounds like he actually has some functioning brain cells in his skull.


Barr 2008



Nicely argued, Mr. Barr
I'm glad TH picked you up. Whatever the outcome of the election, it would be nice if you stayed on board.

Excellent
The second paragraph tells the story of this mess without all the spin and nonsense blaming "greed" and Wall St. "gamblers," even though it isn't what the voters want to hear. It's nice to see a presidential candidate defend the free markets and point the finger where it belongs: at government intervention. How refreshing.

Although the Fed's easy money policies are another unnecessary gov't interference with the markets, I question how much they contributed to this crisis. Interest rates have been low for people with good credit, but the real problem has been the explosion in the number of sub-prime loans, which have high interest rates.

Now if we could just get Barr to stand with us in the fight against Islamic terrorists... But I'm expecting too much there. Bob Barr is, nevertheless, much closer to my ideology than John McCain, so I will go with my conscience and vote for Barr. I cannot vote for the Republican who will give Dems the cover they need - both a Repub president to sign and Repub votes in Congress - to pass cap and trade.

Limiting political interference
Unfortunately, Obama is repackaging political interference as a positive change for America. He is capitalizing on the sagging economy and is giving our country a false hope based on a pack of empty promises. What else would you expect from a member of the leftist illuminati?
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